AIC is still putting out some fucking great music. I was lukewarm on Black Gives Way to Blue, but loved the last album and can't wait for the next one.
Same here dude, the last album got pretty shitty reviews but I thought it was great. Much more consistently good than BGWTB. Hoping for good things from this new one.
"...though my problems are meaningless....that don't make them go away...."
The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here has a monster backend. It's one of those albums that didn't impress right out of the box but grew and outlasted others that did. Really gotta give it several listens to do it justice.
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The show in Vancouver is right after my vacation, and only 2 weeks after the PJ shows in Seattle. It's a midweek show too, which means I'd have to missing 2 days of work to go....
I was lucky enough to see them open for GNR 2 years ago, and a few years before that at GM Place in Vancouver. Also saw Duvall front Jerry Cantrell's solo shows before they merged into a lineup (which were damn fine shows too).
Being a fan of Alice for so long and being such a fan of Layne's I don't know if I could see them. Duvall is great, and he really tried to old Alice justice, and I believe he does. Here is my problem... I can play the record if I want to hear the song, but when I show up at the show, Layne. and Mike for that matter, will not be there. Would you see Soundgarden without Chris? I could not even imagine it.
Being a fan of Alice for so long and being such a fan of Layne's I don't know if I could see them. Duvall is great, and he really tried to old Alice justice, and I believe he does. Here is my problem... I can play the record if I want to hear the song, but when I show up at the show, Layne. and Mike for that matter, will not be there. Would you see Soundgarden without Chris? I could not even imagine it.
You're not watching Alice in Chains with Layne. Youre watching Alice in Chains with Duvall. A seperate entity.
It's not meant to replace what you have seen/heard before or the albums you own. Just like John Carpenters The Thing doesn't replace the original film.
In my world I hate more when new bands play former bands hits (Audioslave for example playing RATM and Soundgarden songs) and don't trust the creative integrity of the new band, than band members having to be replaced. Or when a band like KISS hires new guys and forces them to imitate (makeup and style) former members.
But I would prefer if AiC trusted their new material more and the things they have created together. That would also solve the thing with someone singing Laynes lyrics somewhat, because it would be less of it during their setlists.
And if Soundgarden went out and toured with Tori Amos on vocals, I'd watch it. It wouldn't be that Soundgarden, but instead this Soundgarden. And the love for that Soundgarden wouldn't disapear, and the this could be ignored they sucked, or not ignored if Tori Amos delivers and they make something creative out of it.
I think AiC are doing it in a pretty classy way, but as I said - I wished they trusted their stuff more and not toured as much as a nostalgia act with a new singer. You can't reject your entire history ofcourse, then you might as well change bandname. But yes.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Being a fan of Alice for so long and being such a fan of Layne's I don't know if I could see them. Duvall is great, and he really tried to old Alice justice, and I believe he does. Here is my problem... I can play the record if I want to hear the song, but when I show up at the show, Layne. and Mike for that matter, will not be there. Would you see Soundgarden without Chris? I could not even imagine it.
You're not watching Alice in Chains with Layne. Youre watching Alice in Chains with Duvall. A seperate entity.
It's not meant to replace what you have seen/heard before or the albums you own. Just like John Carpenters The Thing doesn't replace the original film.
In my world I hate more when new bands play former bands hits (Audioslave for example playing RATM and Soundgarden songs) and don't trust the creative integrity of the new band, than band members having to be replaced. Or when a band like KISS hires new guys and forces them to imitate (makeup and style) former members.
But I would prefer if AiC trusted their new material more and the things they have created together. That would also solve the thing with someone singing Laynes lyrics somewhat, because it would be less of it during their setlists.
And if Soundgarden went out and toured with Tori Amos on vocals, I'd watch it. It wouldn't be that Soundgarden, but instead this Soundgarden. And the love for that Soundgarden wouldn't disapear, and the this could be ignored they sucked, or not ignored if Tori Amos delivers and they make something creative out of it.
I think AiC are doing it in a pretty classy way, but as I said - I wished they trusted their stuff more and not toured as much as a nostalgia act with a new singer. You can't reject your entire history ofcourse, then you might as well change bandname. But yes.
What I meant was that I go for who is onstage now, I don't go just to hear the songs. When a member is replaced or, in this scenario, members, it changes the meaning of band for me. I have seen the current Alice and they were great. Duvall sounds just like Layne in many songs. I am just expressing my opinion saying certain past members have more meaning than current members. I am not saying Duvall or any other replacement can't cut it.
Being a fan of Alice for so long and being such a fan of Layne's I don't know if I could see them. Duvall is great, and he really tried to old Alice justice, and I believe he does. Here is my problem... I can play the record if I want to hear the song, but when I show up at the show, Layne. and Mike for that matter, will not be there. Would you see Soundgarden without Chris? I could not even imagine it.
You're not watching Alice in Chains with Layne. Youre watching Alice in Chains with Duvall. A seperate entity.
It's not meant to replace what you have seen/heard before or the albums you own. Just like John Carpenters The Thing doesn't replace the original film.
In my world I hate more when new bands play former bands hits (Audioslave for example playing RATM and Soundgarden songs) and don't trust the creative integrity of the new band, than band members having to be replaced. Or when a band like KISS hires new guys and forces them to imitate (makeup and style) former members.
But I would prefer if AiC trusted their new material more and the things they have created together. That would also solve the thing with someone singing Laynes lyrics somewhat, because it would be less of it during their setlists.
And if Soundgarden went out and toured with Tori Amos on vocals, I'd watch it. It wouldn't be that Soundgarden, but instead this Soundgarden. And the love for that Soundgarden wouldn't disapear, and the this could be ignored they sucked, or not ignored if Tori Amos delivers and they make something creative out of it.
I think AiC are doing it in a pretty classy way, but as I said - I wished they trusted their stuff more and not toured as much as a nostalgia act with a new singer. You can't reject your entire history ofcourse, then you might as well change bandname. But yes.
What I meant was that I go for who is onstage now, I don't go just to hear the songs. When a member is replaced or, in this scenario, members, it changes the meaning of band for me. I have seen the current Alice and they were great. Duvall sounds just like Layne in many songs. I am just expressing my opinion saying certain past members have more meaning than current members. I am not saying Duvall or any other replacement can't cut it.
Haha. And I don't know what I'm saying. But the bolded is something I don't like. Would rather someone come in with their own perspective and creativity to a "cover" than try to copy someone else. Not saying that Duvall copies Layne, i don't really remember how Duvall sounds live on the old songs.
But that extends to bands playing covers too.
Rather hear Ryan Adams acoustic take on Taylor Swifts Shake it off than some rock band do another tired "1:1" cover of All along the Watchtower.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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New song is great.
Lisbon '06 (x2)
Katowice '07
London '07 '09 (x2), '10
MSG NY '08 (x2)
Manchester '09 '12
Belfast '10
PJ20 Alpine '11 (x2)
Leeds '14
Trieste 14, Vienna 14, Gdynia 14, Leeds 14, Milton Keynes 14, Denver 14
Central Park 15
Fort Lauderdale 16, Miami 16, Tampa 16, Jacksonville 16, Greenville 16, Hampton 16, Columbia 16, Lexington 16, Philly1 16, Philly2 16, NYC1 16, NYC2 16, Quebec City 16, Ottawa 16, Toronto1 16, Toronto2 16, Fenway1 16, Fenway2 16, Wrigley1 16, Wrigley2 16
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Audioslave 2005 MSG
Lisbon '06 (x2)
Katowice '07
London '07 '09 (x2), '10
MSG NY '08 (x2)
Manchester '09 '12
Belfast '10
PJ20 Alpine '11 (x2)
Leeds '14
Trieste 14, Vienna 14, Gdynia 14, Leeds 14, Milton Keynes 14, Denver 14
Central Park 15
Fort Lauderdale 16, Miami 16, Tampa 16, Jacksonville 16, Greenville 16, Hampton 16, Columbia 16, Lexington 16, Philly1 16, Philly2 16, NYC1 16, NYC2 16, Quebec City 16, Ottawa 16, Toronto1 16, Toronto2 16, Fenway1 16, Fenway2 16, Wrigley1 16, Wrigley2 16
Trieste 14, Vienna 14, Gdynia 14, Leeds 14, Milton Keynes 14, Denver 14
Central Park 15
Fort Lauderdale 16, Miami 16, Tampa 16, Jacksonville 16, Greenville 16, Hampton 16, Columbia 16, Lexington 16, Philly1 16, Philly2 16, NYC1 16, NYC2 16, Quebec City 16, Ottawa 16, Toronto1 16, Toronto2 16, Fenway1 16, Fenway2 16, Wrigley1 16, Wrigley2 16
I was lucky enough to see them open for GNR 2 years ago, and a few years before that at GM Place in Vancouver. Also saw Duvall front Jerry Cantrell's solo shows before they merged into a lineup (which were damn fine shows too).
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Trieste 14, Vienna 14, Gdynia 14, Leeds 14, Milton Keynes 14, Denver 14
Central Park 15
Fort Lauderdale 16, Miami 16, Tampa 16, Jacksonville 16, Greenville 16, Hampton 16, Columbia 16, Lexington 16, Philly1 16, Philly2 16, NYC1 16, NYC2 16, Quebec City 16, Ottawa 16, Toronto1 16, Toronto2 16, Fenway1 16, Fenway2 16, Wrigley1 16, Wrigley2 16
(nice song)
Trieste 14, Vienna 14, Gdynia 14, Leeds 14, Milton Keynes 14, Denver 14
Central Park 15
Fort Lauderdale 16, Miami 16, Tampa 16, Jacksonville 16, Greenville 16, Hampton 16, Columbia 16, Lexington 16, Philly1 16, Philly2 16, NYC1 16, NYC2 16, Quebec City 16, Ottawa 16, Toronto1 16, Toronto2 16, Fenway1 16, Fenway2 16, Wrigley1 16, Wrigley2 16
Trieste 14, Vienna 14, Gdynia 14, Leeds 14, Milton Keynes 14, Denver 14
Central Park 15
Fort Lauderdale 16, Miami 16, Tampa 16, Jacksonville 16, Greenville 16, Hampton 16, Columbia 16, Lexington 16, Philly1 16, Philly2 16, NYC1 16, NYC2 16, Quebec City 16, Ottawa 16, Toronto1 16, Toronto2 16, Fenway1 16, Fenway2 16, Wrigley1 16, Wrigley2 16
Trieste 14, Vienna 14, Gdynia 14, Leeds 14, Milton Keynes 14, Denver 14
Central Park 15
Fort Lauderdale 16, Miami 16, Tampa 16, Jacksonville 16, Greenville 16, Hampton 16, Columbia 16, Lexington 16, Philly1 16, Philly2 16, NYC1 16, NYC2 16, Quebec City 16, Ottawa 16, Toronto1 16, Toronto2 16, Fenway1 16, Fenway2 16, Wrigley1 16, Wrigley2 16
It's not meant to replace what you have seen/heard before or the albums you own. Just like John Carpenters The Thing doesn't replace the original film.
In my world I hate more when new bands play former bands hits (Audioslave for example playing RATM and Soundgarden songs) and don't trust the creative integrity of the new band, than band members having to be replaced. Or when a band like KISS hires new guys and forces them to imitate (makeup and style) former members.
But I would prefer if AiC trusted their new material more and the things they have created together. That would also solve the thing with someone singing Laynes lyrics somewhat, because it would be less of it during their setlists.
And if Soundgarden went out and toured with Tori Amos on vocals, I'd watch it. It wouldn't be that Soundgarden, but instead this Soundgarden. And the love for that Soundgarden wouldn't disapear, and the this could be ignored they sucked, or not ignored if Tori Amos delivers and they make something creative out of it.
I think AiC are doing it in a pretty classy way, but as I said - I wished they trusted their stuff more and not toured as much as a nostalgia act with a new singer. You can't reject your entire history ofcourse, then you might as well change bandname. But yes.
But that extends to bands playing covers too.
Rather hear Ryan Adams acoustic take on Taylor Swifts Shake it off than some rock band do another tired "1:1" cover of All along the Watchtower.