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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 15,887
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  • timdwillitimdwilli Los Angeles, CAPosts: 202
    MP59559 said:
    timdwilli said:
    Wouldn't most people agree that the "single" carries a fraction of the weight that it once did? Most bands just trickle out songs leading up to the album release and some are better, some are worse than the remaining ones on the album (all subjective anyway!). Some artists just drop the whole thing at once with no lead up. Plus, FM radio/MTV as we knew them in the nineties are long gone, and with streaming services nobody is picking and choosing which songs to buy at $1 a pop anymore either. Worrying about singles in this day and age seems like a fool's errand to me. Looking forward to any and all songs that get released, and then hearing the whole thing as intended (hopefully on a Ten Club exclusive colored vinyl) when the album drops!
    Honestly, kind of think it's the opposite. I don't think the majority of consumers listen to full albums anymore (and I'm not if they ever really did). I think people DO pick and choose what to listen to (just without paying for each individual song), and that releasing songs a few at a time is probably a better way to get more people to listen to more of your music than waiting until you have 12-13 songs finished and dropping them all at once. Release a full album later for the small percentage of your base that still holds to that antiquated practice (of which, yes, I am one).
    True...there are definitely arguments that the album itself is a dying format because of how artists get paid on streams. I guess what I was trying to articulate is that the songs released leading up to an album are often not the "best" ones on the album (or the ones that A&R think will be the most popular) as they were in the past.
  • mr.macmr.mac Posts: 154
    RP112579 said:
    RP112579 said:
    I was okay with Cant Deny Me as a random/holiday single.........as the first single from a new album? I'm a little worried....
    recall the reaction to The Fixer? 
    Yup. That said, I was a little worried by WWS and MYM and those albums turned out okay. I want a great album though. This doesn't seem like the first single to a great album...
    Remember Who You Are?
    Bad example. LOVED it the moment I heard and No Code is a GREAT album.
    No Code is a great album, but Who You Are didn't seem like a great first single to a great album. The song is ok, at best.
    Who You Are is one of their best songs. You've lost your damn mind.
    It's almost like everyone has individual tastes and preferences.
  • mpedonempedone Posts: 340
    timdwilli said:
    MP59559 said:
    timdwilli said:
    Wouldn't most people agree that the "single" carries a fraction of the weight that it once did? Most bands just trickle out songs leading up to the album release and some are better, some are worse than the remaining ones on the album (all subjective anyway!). Some artists just drop the whole thing at once with no lead up. Plus, FM radio/MTV as we knew them in the nineties are long gone, and with streaming services nobody is picking and choosing which songs to buy at $1 a pop anymore either. Worrying about singles in this day and age seems like a fool's errand to me. Looking forward to any and all songs that get released, and then hearing the whole thing as intended (hopefully on a Ten Club exclusive colored vinyl) when the album drops!
    Honestly, kind of think it's the opposite. I don't think the majority of consumers listen to full albums anymore (and I'm not if they ever really did). I think people DO pick and choose what to listen to (just without paying for each individual song), and that releasing songs a few at a time is probably a better way to get more people to listen to more of your music than waiting until you have 12-13 songs finished and dropping them all at once. Release a full album later for the small percentage of your base that still holds to that antiquated practice (of which, yes, I am one).
    True...there are definitely arguments that the album itself is a dying format because of how artists get paid on streams. I guess what I was trying to articulate is that the songs released leading up to an album are often not the "best" ones on the album (or the ones that A&R think will be the most popular) as they were in the past.
    Definitely, especially if what I said is true. This song may not be "the best" from the new album, but it might be the most relevant. Weird Al used this to his advantage a few years ago, releasing songs as he wrote them, so that the things he was parodying were still relevant, not an already passed fad.
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  • timdwillitimdwilli Los Angeles, CAPosts: 202
    MP59559 said:
    timdwilli said:
    MP59559 said:
    timdwilli said:
    Wouldn't most people agree that the "single" carries a fraction of the weight that it once did? Most bands just trickle out songs leading up to the album release and some are better, some are worse than the remaining ones on the album (all subjective anyway!). Some artists just drop the whole thing at once with no lead up. Plus, FM radio/MTV as we knew them in the nineties are long gone, and with streaming services nobody is picking and choosing which songs to buy at $1 a pop anymore either. Worrying about singles in this day and age seems like a fool's errand to me. Looking forward to any and all songs that get released, and then hearing the whole thing as intended (hopefully on a Ten Club exclusive colored vinyl) when the album drops!
    Honestly, kind of think it's the opposite. I don't think the majority of consumers listen to full albums anymore (and I'm not if they ever really did). I think people DO pick and choose what to listen to (just without paying for each individual song), and that releasing songs a few at a time is probably a better way to get more people to listen to more of your music than waiting until you have 12-13 songs finished and dropping them all at once. Release a full album later for the small percentage of your base that still holds to that antiquated practice (of which, yes, I am one).
    True...there are definitely arguments that the album itself is a dying format because of how artists get paid on streams. I guess what I was trying to articulate is that the songs released leading up to an album are often not the "best" ones on the album (or the ones that A&R think will be the most popular) as they were in the past.
    Definitely, especially if what I said is true. This song may not be "the best" from the new album, but it might be the most relevant. Weird Al used this to his advantage a few years ago, releasing songs as he wrote them, so that the things he was parodying were still relevant, not an already passed fad.
    Yeah, makes sense. Hopefully the wait for the next one isn't too long!
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 17,231
    MP59559 said:
    timdwilli said:
    Wouldn't most people agree that the "single" carries a fraction of the weight that it once did? Most bands just trickle out songs leading up to the album release and some are better, some are worse than the remaining ones on the album (all subjective anyway!). Some artists just drop the whole thing at once with no lead up. Plus, FM radio/MTV as we knew them in the nineties are long gone, and with streaming services nobody is picking and choosing which songs to buy at $1 a pop anymore either. Worrying about singles in this day and age seems like a fool's errand to me. Looking forward to any and all songs that get released, and then hearing the whole thing as intended (hopefully on a Ten Club exclusive colored vinyl) when the album drops!
    Honestly, kind of think it's the opposite. I don't think the majority of consumers listen to full albums anymore (and I'm not if they ever really did). I think people DO pick and choose what to listen to (just without paying for each individual song), and that releasing songs a few at a time is probably a better way to get more people to listen to more of your music than waiting until you have 12-13 songs finished and dropping them all at once. Release a full album later for the small percentage of your base that still holds to that antiquated practice (of which, yes, I am one).
    Billy Corgan tried that experiment (Teargarden project-releasing one song every few weeks for free so people could digest each song instead of just listening to the single) and while I loved it, it failed miserably. 
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  • bobasfeetbobasfeet Posts: 728
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    timdwilli said:
    MP59559 said:
    timdwilli said:
    Wouldn't most people agree that the "single" carries a fraction of the weight that it once did? Most bands just trickle out songs leading up to the album release and some are better, some are worse than the remaining ones on the album (all subjective anyway!). Some artists just drop the whole thing at once with no lead up. Plus, FM radio/MTV as we knew them in the nineties are long gone, and with streaming services nobody is picking and choosing which songs to buy at $1 a pop anymore either. Worrying about singles in this day and age seems like a fool's errand to me. Looking forward to any and all songs that get released, and then hearing the whole thing as intended (hopefully on a Ten Club exclusive colored vinyl) when the album drops!
    Honestly, kind of think it's the opposite. I don't think the majority of consumers listen to full albums anymore (and I'm not if they ever really did). I think people DO pick and choose what to listen to (just without paying for each individual song), and that releasing songs a few at a time is probably a better way to get more people to listen to more of your music than waiting until you have 12-13 songs finished and dropping them all at once. Release a full album later for the small percentage of your base that still holds to that antiquated practice (of which, yes, I am one).
    True...there are definitely arguments that the album itself is a dying format because of how artists get paid on streams. I guess what I was trying to articulate is that the songs released leading up to an album are often not the "best" ones on the album (or the ones that A&R think will be the most popular) as they were in the past.

    I've been away for too long..  All indications new album dropping really soon, Radiohead In Rainbows style. I'm betting April. 

    Addressing singles, industry talk is some artists are leaning more toward releasing singles to stay "fresh/relevant" in folks ADHD minds. Some just releasing singles between album cycles and some releasing singles over time then compiling into an album. Personally, I hate this. I love the album format and always will. If you can't make an album of material GTHO.

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    bobasfeet said:
    timdwilli said:
    MP59559 said:
    timdwilli said:
    Wouldn't most people agree that the "single" carries a fraction of the weight that it once did? Most bands just trickle out songs leading up to the album release and some are better, some are worse than the remaining ones on the album (all subjective anyway!). Some artists just drop the whole thing at once with no lead up. Plus, FM radio/MTV as we knew them in the nineties are long gone, and with streaming services nobody is picking and choosing which songs to buy at $1 a pop anymore either. Worrying about singles in this day and age seems like a fool's errand to me. Looking forward to any and all songs that get released, and then hearing the whole thing as intended (hopefully on a Ten Club exclusive colored vinyl) when the album drops!
    Honestly, kind of think it's the opposite. I don't think the majority of consumers listen to full albums anymore (and I'm not if they ever really did). I think people DO pick and choose what to listen to (just without paying for each individual song), and that releasing songs a few at a time is probably a better way to get more people to listen to more of your music than waiting until you have 12-13 songs finished and dropping them all at once. Release a full album later for the small percentage of your base that still holds to that antiquated practice (of which, yes, I am one).
    True...there are definitely arguments that the album itself is a dying format because of how artists get paid on streams. I guess what I was trying to articulate is that the songs released leading up to an album are often not the "best" ones on the album (or the ones that A&R think will be the most popular) as they were in the past.

    I've been away for too long..  All indications new album dropping really soon. Radiohead In Rainbows style. I'm betting April. 

    Addressing singles, industry talk is some artist's are leaning more toward releasing singles to stay "fresh/relevant" in folks ADHD minds. Some just releasing singles between album cycles and some releasing singles over time then compiling into an album. Personally, I hate this. I love the album format and always will. If you can't make an album of material GTHO.

    I'm with you (well, I think "GTHO" is a little extreme) - I'd far rather have an album all at once than a new single every few weeks over the course of a year.
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  • bobasfeetbobasfeet Posts: 728
    MP59559 said:

    bobasfeet said:
    timdwilli said:
    MP59559 said:
    timdwilli said:
    Wouldn't most people agree that the "single" carries a fraction of the weight that it once did? Most bands just trickle out songs leading up to the album release and some are better, some are worse than the remaining ones on the album (all subjective anyway!). Some artists just drop the whole thing at once with no lead up. Plus, FM radio/MTV as we knew them in the nineties are long gone, and with streaming services nobody is picking and choosing which songs to buy at $1 a pop anymore either. Worrying about singles in this day and age seems like a fool's errand to me. Looking forward to any and all songs that get released, and then hearing the whole thing as intended (hopefully on a Ten Club exclusive colored vinyl) when the album drops!
    Honestly, kind of think it's the opposite. I don't think the majority of consumers listen to full albums anymore (and I'm not if they ever really did). I think people DO pick and choose what to listen to (just without paying for each individual song), and that releasing songs a few at a time is probably a better way to get more people to listen to more of your music than waiting until you have 12-13 songs finished and dropping them all at once. Release a full album later for the small percentage of your base that still holds to that antiquated practice (of which, yes, I am one).
    True...there are definitely arguments that the album itself is a dying format because of how artists get paid on streams. I guess what I was trying to articulate is that the songs released leading up to an album are often not the "best" ones on the album (or the ones that A&R think will be the most popular) as they were in the past.

    I've been away for too long..  All indications new album dropping really soon. Radiohead In Rainbows style. I'm betting April. 

    Addressing singles, industry talk is some artist's are leaning more toward releasing singles to stay "fresh/relevant" in folks ADHD minds. Some just releasing singles between album cycles and some releasing singles over time then compiling into an album. Personally, I hate this. I love the album format and always will. If you can't make an album of material GTHO.

    I'm with you (well, I think "GTHO" is a little extreme) - I'd far rather have an album all at once than a new single every few weeks over the course of a year.
    Yeah, that was mostly aimed at shitty pop artists.
  • JazzfanJazzfan Posts: 45
    For people who likes this song: that's awesome and I'm glad you enjoyed but stop shaming or making assumptions about others who dislike it ("oh, I'm sure you didn't like bc is about Trump", "you must be a fake fan", "you are a whiner" ). Be respectful and tolerant. It's music after all, it's all subjective: for some people Riot Act is their best effort, for others is their weakest. One person may love Big Wave, I skip it every time. Personally this song doesn't move the needle but I'm looking forward to their next album and hopefully enjoying a few shows.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 17,231
    Jazzfan said:
    For people who likes this song: that's awesome and I'm glad you enjoyed but stop shaming or making assumptions about others who dislike it ("oh, I'm sure you didn't like bc is about Trump", "you must be a fake fan", "you are a whiner" ). Be respectful and tolerant. It's music after all, it's all subjective: for some people Riot Act is their best effort, for others is their weakest. One person may love Big Wave, I skip it every time. Personally this song doesn't move the needle but I'm looking forward to their next album and hopefully enjoying a few shows.
    absolutely, but it goes both ways. a lot of folks assume people like everything this band puts out; the same assumption is made about radiohead fans. it's just not true. while I like most of what PJ does, there are a few I don't like and skip every time. 

    almost all of them just happen to be on Lightning Bolt. LOL
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  • Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 3,016
    Vedd Hedd said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    What if they do release this as a physical single for 2017....to Ten Club members with something killer on the b-side....we get the vinyl we crave and something that won't be sold publically....except on ebay by the people who "hate" the song after the first listen...

    This could be a win-win....2017 single on vinyl and a new album....i will take it...
    This IS what they are doing.
    no one is disputing that is what they are doing. 
    Dude, you have an issue with me.  I get it.   I was answering the question of the person above me. 


    haha, yeah.........no. 
    Not sure what you dont understand here. The person above me asked if it was going to be on a record with a bside. I was saying that thats exactly what was going to happen.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 17,231
    edited March 2018
    Vedd Hedd said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    What if they do release this as a physical single for 2017....to Ten Club members with something killer on the b-side....we get the vinyl we crave and something that won't be sold publically....except on ebay by the people who "hate" the song after the first listen...

    This could be a win-win....2017 single on vinyl and a new album....i will take it...
    This IS what they are doing.
    no one is disputing that is what they are doing. 
    Dude, you have an issue with me.  I get it.   I was answering the question of the person above me. 


    haha, yeah.........no. 
    Not sure what you dont understand here. The person above me asked if it was going to be on a record with a bside. I was saying that thats exactly what was going to happen.
    nothing I don't understand. I was replying to your "you have an issue with me" assertion. I can assure you that I do not. 

    I may have misinterpreted your meaning when you stated "this IS what they are doing". My apologies if that is the case. 
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  • Vedd HeddVedd Hedd Posts: 3,016
    Vedd Hedd said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    Vedd Hedd said:
    What if they do release this as a physical single for 2017....to Ten Club members with something killer on the b-side....we get the vinyl we crave and something that won't be sold publically....except on ebay by the people who "hate" the song after the first listen...

    This could be a win-win....2017 single on vinyl and a new album....i will take it...
    This IS what they are doing.
    no one is disputing that is what they are doing. 
    Dude, you have an issue with me.  I get it.   I was answering the question of the person above me. 


    haha, yeah.........no. 
    Not sure what you dont understand here. The person above me asked if it was going to be on a record with a bside. I was saying that thats exactly what was going to happen.
    nothing I don't understand. I was replying to your "you have an issue with me" assertion. I can assure you that I do not. 

    I may have misinterpreted your meaning when you stated "this IS what they are doing". My apologies if that is the case. 
    Fair enough, no worries.

    Things get lost when we cant see facial expressions and intent.

    (Which is prob how this whole thing started, anyway.)
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    Little Bullshit whore....You Can't Deny Me!

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    They probably won't. But I can see NCAA tournament using the chorus part of Can't Deny Me
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    igotid88 said:
    They probably won't. But I can see NCAA tournament using the chorus part of Can't Deny Me
    Not a chance in hell.
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  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 15,887
    edited March 2018
    Can't Deny Me will debut on the
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    I think its going to be a RiotAct type album but a double album


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  • Lost In OhioLost In Ohio Posts: 4,831
    igotid88 said:
    They probably won't. But I can see NCAA tournament using the chorus part of Can't Deny Me
    Not a chance in hell.

    Probably not, but it was funny to hear WWS as commercial bumper music for the Indy 500 when that song first came out. Each time they used it, they picked the song up where they left off.

    They got to "that the president took for granted...writing checks that others pay..."

    That was the last time they used that song. Whether intentional or they didn't realize the message of that song when they picked it for a Memorial Day event...it was a bit unintentionally hilarious.
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    igotid88 said:
    They probably won't. But I can see NCAA tournament using the chorus part of Can't Deny Me
    Not a chance in hell.

    Probably not, but it was funny to hear WWS as commercial bumper music for the Indy 500 when that song first came out. Each time they used it, they picked the song up where they left off.

    They got to "that the president took for granted...writing checks that others pay..."

    That was the last time they used that song. Whether intentional or they didn't realize the message of that song when they picked it for a Memorial Day event...it was a bit unintentionally hilarious.
    You can understand their confusion. "World Wide Suicide" - that could be about ANYTHING! ;)
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 45,962
    trees said:
    I think its going to be a RiotAct type album but a double album
    That is some wishful thinking, but I hope you're right, lol. If it even comes close to being as good as Riot Act I'd be stoked... But if you only mean that it will be more political... well, I like political albums, but at this point I really just want the music to sound great.
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    PJ_Soul said:
    trees said:
    I think its going to be a RiotAct type album but a double album
    That is some wishful thinking, but I hope you're right, lol. If it even comes close to being as good as Riot Act I'd be stoked... But if you only mean that it will be more political... well, I like political albums, but at this point I really just want the music to sound great.
    If it sounds like Riot Act which I love. Watch many people here bash it.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 45,962
    edited March 2018
    igotid88 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    trees said:
    I think its going to be a RiotAct type album but a double album
    That is some wishful thinking, but I hope you're right, lol. If it even comes close to being as good as Riot Act I'd be stoked... But if you only mean that it will be more political... well, I like political albums, but at this point I really just want the music to sound great.
    If it sounds like Riot Act which I love. Watch many people here bash it.
    Well if Can't Deny Me is any indication, it ain't gonna be comparable to Riot Act in any context besides having one track about the POTUS. ;)
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    Hope they give us some news on this soon
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  • mschostokmschostok Chicago, ILPosts: 539
    Any further word on this? Summer release? 
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    Mid June is my guess.  As the European Tour begins.   
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