Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?

mickeyrat

its a little wordy but the alternative is I am Pro-noneofmyfuckingbusinessunlessIamdirectlyinvolvedeventhenasamanmyinputislimited

FiveBelow

mickeyrat said:

its a little wordy but the alternative is I am Pro-noneofmyfuckingbusinessunlessIamdirectlyinvolvedeventhenasamanmyinputislimited

Your alternative should be practiced by more men, as it is spot on.

mickeyrat

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

its a little wordy but the alternative is I am Pro-noneofmyfuckingbusinessunlessIamdirectlyinvolvedeventhenasamanmyinputislimited

Your alternative should be practiced by more men, as it is spot on.

in another lifetime, I was recently discharged from usn due to alcoholism. back home living on a married buddys couch , "seeing" this woman. was dismissive of her and hating myself and what passed for my life. One night she made something very clear that stuck with me and shaped my stance in this. fuck, 35 years ago.

She said, if she happened to get pregnant while seeing me, she wouldnt tell me. she would just abort.

sitting on that for a time, I understood. The person she knew was in no way a potential father. I was barely a human being ffs.

I came to the conclusion that even if I was a party to a pregnancy the most I could hope for was input and that the final decision was not mine to make or really be a part of.

being well on the other side of that and how and who I was then, I am grateful I never had kids along the way. wouldnt have been fair to the mother and the child(ren) .

Still in the face of everything that came after , I understood my place in such a situation. that understanding is as firm as ever.

DE4173

Thanks for sharing.

Hope you're doing well! ✌️

mickeyrat

DE4173 said:

Thanks for sharing.

Hope you're doing well! ✌️

19 yrs sober come April. In a profession I wanted since I'm a kid (trucking). A wife who likes it that I'm home every day and laughs at my goofy ass jokes and a dog that cant wait to see me.

yeah, living the dream.

DE4173

Sounds amazing! Congrats!

mickeyrat

after allowing misfisprestone?

https://www.threads.net/@democracydocket/post/DFVO2NVNgxH?xmt=AQGz18-jwVrTQU5kkEW5-rC94B56MOkki7lomqDUYq0NYw

josevolution

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

its a little wordy but the alternative is I am Pro-noneofmyfuckingbusinessunlessIamdirectlyinvolvedeventhenasamanmyinputislimited

Your alternative should be practiced by more men, as it is spot on.

in another lifetime, I was recently discharged from usn due to alcoholism. back home living on a married buddys couch , "seeing" this woman. was dismissive of her and hating myself and what passed for my life. One night she made something very clear that stuck with me and shaped my stance in this. fuck, 35 years ago.

She said, if she happened to get pregnant while seeing me, she wouldnt tell me. she would just abort.

sitting on that for a time, I understood. The person she knew was in no way a potential father. I was barely a human being ffs.

I came to the conclusion that even if I was a party to a pregnancy the most I could hope for was input and that the final decision was not mine to make or really be a part of.

being well on the other side of that and how and who I was then, I am grateful I never had kids along the way. wouldnt have been fair to the mother and the child(ren) .

Still in the face of everything that came after , I understood my place in such a situation. that understanding is as firm as ever.

This world needs more men like you in it! 

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@newsbreakinglive/post/DFhTO_CRQvg?xmt=AQGzFuJK43dfQje9Lm68Z6IlyYHsUjNKOAuBFmfsuDobLA

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@meidas_societyschild/post/DFgPRl4xD9A?xmt=AQGzZN7z6AcMjpyUGxRi9erdn8NqZBJFcSuO3lsU5BT0aQ

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@propublica/post/DFl4Pe9IsRC?xmt=AQGzKzaKRKoQysjhVezop4j7lNbN5COw1Z8Ah8DW_oik5w

Halifax2TheMax

Yea, they’re not weird. Not at all. But all women should be like this. Don’t wanna be replaced, dontcha know?

The Collins family, from left: Titan Invictus, Simone, Industry Americus, Malcolm, Torsten Savage and Octavian George play around in their backyard after gathering for a portrait in Audubon, Pennsylvania, on Dec. 28. (Rachel Wisniewski for The Washington Post) 

By Anne Branigin

AUDUBON, Pa.

It’s a new year, which, for Simone Collins, means a new pregnancy.

This will be her sixth pregnancy since 2019, and, if all goes well, Collins will bear her fifth child by December. She approaches each the way an endurance athlete does a marathon. She and her husband, Malcolm, have waited exactly nine months since the birth of their last child, Industry Americus (“Indy” for short), to give Simone’s body adequate time to recover.

She goes through a barrage of exams, starting with a hysteroscopy and a uterine biopsy to “get the lay of the land,” and “very detailed” bloodwork. She will take the hormone medication necessary for transferring a frozen embryo into her uterus. At home, she exercises, walking for hours on a compact treadmill she keeps at her desk, and “eats really well”: plain yogurt, no added sugar; hard-boiled eggs; a “slurry” of blended vegetables.

When it’s time to give birth, Simone will have a Caesarean section — because of complications that arose when she delivered her first child, Octavian George, all of the births have been C-sections. With each surgery, the risk of future complications — including death — increases. But Simone, 37, wants to do this at least three more times — ideally as many as 10. They have 32 embryos left.

“I’m happy to die in labor,” Simone said in early January, fresh out of the fertility clinic. That’s because, for Malcolm and Simone Collins, a large family isn’t just a personal preference; as pronatalists, they believe that bearing as many children as possible is what’s necessary to avoid an apocalyptic future.

“It’s objectively dangerous what she’s doing,” said Malcolm, 38, steering their car toward home. “When she says she’s a pronatalist, she’s putting her life on the line in service of her belief system.”

Continues

https://www.washingtonpost.com/style/of-interest/2025/02/01/malcolm-and-simone-collins-pronatalism/

HughFreakingDillon

The entire forced birth movement destroyed by a 23 year old in Tennessee:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DGOxbJ8NBDo/?igsh=MWV4d2tqeHRzNHQwNA==

for those that don’t want to click the link, here’s the premise: 

a woman has a son. Son is now 23. Goes into kidney failure. His mom is the only viable match. There is no law in any state in the US that compels her to give him that kidney to save his life. Even if she were to die, she STILL has autonomy over her own kidneys. Even if it means her son dies. 

REPUBLICANS WANT MORE BODILY AUTONOMY FOR A CORPSE THAN TO PREGNANT WOMEN. 

TELL ME AGAIN HOW IT’S ACTUALLY ABOUT THE LIFE OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING AND NOT CONTROL OVER WOMEN. 

mickeyrat

Breaking:

The Supreme Court has declined to consider overturning a 25-year-old precedent that upheld "buffer zone" laws — limiting how close protesters can get to abortion clinic entrances.

It's a serious setback for abortion opponents.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/supreme-court/supreme-court-rejects-challenges-abortion-clinic-buffer-zone-laws-rest-rcna180658

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@heartlandsignal/post/DGjO7-ISnSu?xmt=AQGzLJD-yDznmQRiv0kq1KOAAv-7-KDwDHhcrKriq05LLQ

MONTANA REPUBLICANS WANT TO PROHIBIT WOMEN FROM TRAVELING FOR ABORTIONS, CHARGE THEM WITH ‘ABORTION TRAFFICKING’

A new bill in the Montana Legislature would prohibit “abortion trafficking,” with criminal penalties for anyone who assists a pregnant woman in receiving an abortion even if outside the state. ⬇️

mickeyrat

Under a new GOP bill, nearly all Missouri households — except those with the highest incomes — could fully satisfy their state income tax bill by redirecting their payment from the state to anti-abortion centers.

Read the full story: https://propub.li/43shxYW

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@npr/post/DG_D44iI1i6?xmt=AQGzJkFa_Mk7gYwL_50-xMIh2-_20Snim8TQIPJ5DomvuQ

New Justice Department leaders say past enforcement of the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act is "the prototypical example" of what they call "the weaponization of law enforcement."

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

The entire forced birth movement destroyed by a 23 year old in Tennessee:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DGOxbJ8NBDo/?igsh=MWV4d2tqeHRzNHQwNA==

for those that don’t want to click the link, here’s the premise: 

a woman has a son. Son is now 23. Goes into kidney failure. His mom is the only viable match. There is no law in any state in the US that compels her to give him that kidney to save his life. Even if she were to die, she STILL has autonomy over her own kidneys. Even if it means her son dies. 

REPUBLICANS WANT MORE BODILY AUTONOMY FOR A CORPSE THAN TO PREGNANT WOMEN. 

TELL ME AGAIN HOW IT’S ACTUALLY ABOUT THE LIFE OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING AND NOT CONTROL OVER WOMEN. 

I can't click on the link while at work.
But I'm trying to understand this. You want there to be laws that require people to be donors? And giving a woman that freedom not to donate, even to her own son after she dies, is controlling the woman?
I'm an organ donor, and I think everyone should be. But I don't think it should be law. And I don't see how allowing the woman to chose to not be a donor is an attempt to control women?
I know you're connecting it to abortion. But I just don't see the link. Forcing her to donate her kidneys would fit your argument. 
I know you're saying if it was about life, then people would be forced to be donors. I just don't see that as a comparison. 

mickeyrat

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The entire forced birth movement destroyed by a 23 year old in Tennessee:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DGOxbJ8NBDo/?igsh=MWV4d2tqeHRzNHQwNA==

for those that don’t want to click the link, here’s the premise: 

a woman has a son. Son is now 23. Goes into kidney failure. His mom is the only viable match. There is no law in any state in the US that compels her to give him that kidney to save his life. Even if she were to die, she STILL has autonomy over her own kidneys. Even if it means her son dies. 

REPUBLICANS WANT MORE BODILY AUTONOMY FOR A CORPSE THAN TO PREGNANT WOMEN. 

TELL ME AGAIN HOW IT’S ACTUALLY ABOUT THE LIFE OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING AND NOT CONTROL OVER WOMEN. 

I can't click on the link while at work.
But I'm trying to understand this. You want there to be laws that require people to be donors? And giving a woman that freedom not to donate, even to her own son after she dies, is controlling the woman?
I'm an organ donor, and I think everyone should be. But I don't think it should be law. And I don't see how allowing the woman to chose to not be a donor is an attempt to control women?
I know you're connecting it to abortion. But I just don't see the link. Forcing her to donate her kidneys would fit your argument. 
I know you're saying if it was about life, then people would be forced to be donors. I just don't see that as a comparison. 

the point is she is under no legal  obligation to keep her son alive via donation YET is forced to give birth.

in effect allowing for power over the death of one circumstance but not the other.

HughFreakingDillon

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

The entire forced birth movement destroyed by a 23 year old in Tennessee:

https://www.instagram.com/p/DGOxbJ8NBDo/?igsh=MWV4d2tqeHRzNHQwNA==

for those that don’t want to click the link, here’s the premise: 

a woman has a son. Son is now 23. Goes into kidney failure. His mom is the only viable match. There is no law in any state in the US that compels her to give him that kidney to save his life. Even if she were to die, she STILL has autonomy over her own kidneys. Even if it means her son dies. 

REPUBLICANS WANT MORE BODILY AUTONOMY FOR A CORPSE THAN TO PREGNANT WOMEN. 

TELL ME AGAIN HOW IT’S ACTUALLY ABOUT THE LIFE OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING AND NOT CONTROL OVER WOMEN. 

I can't click on the link while at work.
But I'm trying to understand this. You want there to be laws that require people to be donors? And giving a woman that freedom not to donate, even to her own son after she dies, is controlling the woman?
I'm an organ donor, and I think everyone should be. But I don't think it should be law. And I don't see how allowing the woman to chose to not be a donor is an attempt to control women?
I know you're connecting it to abortion. But I just don't see the link. Forcing her to donate her kidneys would fit your argument. 
I know you're saying if it was about life, then people would be forced to be donors. I just don't see that as a comparison. 

The opposite. The mother is allowed to choose (even after death) in one situation but not the other, even when her life is in danger. 

That’s why it’s not about life of s child, it’s about control of women. If it was about life, R’s would have made organ donorship mandatory under the law.