Abortion-Keep Legal, Yes or No?
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mickeyrat said:Spiritual_Chaos said:Just listened to a clip of Sam Seder having to say he defends aborting a child right up till birth, as in 9 months old...
Doesn't the American left (democrats?) shoot themselves a bit in the foot on this subject by being for aborting a child no matter how late? It sounded kind of bizarre to my ears.
What is the reasoning for this by the american "left", instead of e.g. striving for and fighting for the Swedish (or other european) model? Which must be easier to "sell" and get people to agree on.any woman who has carried to that time or near it intends to have that child in the rare instances where a third trimester abortion is performed, its due to fetal anomoly.2 examples. A couple, friends, discovered during high risk pregnancy the baby was dead in the womb. chose d and c. held funeral and acknowledge her every year. Named her Shelby.My cousin discovered late a trisomy conditon,(third chromosome attached to a given pair) this was related to heart. her baby had a hole in her heart and was considered unviable, chose to carry to term and her daughter lived maybe an hour.each family made the choice that was right for them.I want someone to show me a first hand account of a woman choosing abortion that late in third trimester, just because she could abort.
The defense seem to be like you are saying ”…but no one is actually doing that, just chillll”. But still having to say pushed into a corner that you support a woman aborting 60 seconds before birth if it comes down to that seems to be a wonky strategy for getting as many people on board as possible.
Compared to lets say arguing for a swedish model. luckiy over here this is not an election issue - it is a non-issue. I am baffled though by what Sam Seder said and is having to defend as being the preffered US model.
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Spiritual_Chaos said:Just listened to a clip of Sam Seder having to say he defends aborting a child right up till birth, as in 9 months old...
Doesn't the American left (democrats?) shoot themselves a bit in the foot on this subject by being for aborting a child no matter how late? It sounded kind of bizarre to my ears.
What is the reasoning for this by the american "left", instead of e.g. striving for and fighting for the Swedish (or other european) model? Which must be easier to "sell" and get people to agree on.0 -
mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:Just listened to a clip of Sam Seder having to say he defends aborting a child right up till birth, as in 9 months old...
Doesn't the American left (democrats?) shoot themselves a bit in the foot on this subject by being for aborting a child no matter how late? It sounded kind of bizarre to my ears.
What is the reasoning for this by the american "left", instead of e.g. striving for and fighting for the Swedish (or other european) model? Which must be easier to "sell" and get people to agree on.2011: Vancouver
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Original_Shifty said:mrussel1 said:Spiritual_Chaos said:Just listened to a clip of Sam Seder having to say he defends aborting a child right up till birth, as in 9 months old...
Doesn't the American left (democrats?) shoot themselves a bit in the foot on this subject by being for aborting a child no matter how late? It sounded kind of bizarre to my ears.
What is the reasoning for this by the american "left", instead of e.g. striving for and fighting for the Swedish (or other european) model? Which must be easier to "sell" and get people to agree on.0 -
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huh.....never thought of it this way._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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would be laughable if preventable deaths weren't at stake of woman who can talk, walk, breathe on their own without extraordinary medical intervention unlike as yet unviable fetuses_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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Abortion should alway be....
Accessible
Affordable
Available on demand
Private
Safe
A womans decision and not that of a bunch of old white men.0 -
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '140 -
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
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being the correct thread for the "discussion"I prefer the term pro-body autonomy_____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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