Western media lies about Syria exposed (Canadian journalist Eva Bartlett)

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  • polaris_x
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    my2hands said:
    Here is a little tidbit on Eva Bartlett and some of her claims...

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-eva-bartletts-claims-about-syrian-children


    And of course, she writes a blog for the state funded Russian media outlet Russia Today (RT)!!!! Bwahahahaha

    From what I can tell she isn't even a fucking journalist... this is who you're hitching your wagon too? Give me a fucking break, all your bullshit conspiracy theories are coming from an RT blogger? Infowars started the bullshit White Helmets nonsense well... not to mention these weak ass conspiracies fall apart with just minimal research

    You are sucking down fake news and propaganda... its warping you... open your eyes 
    she is an independent journalist that contributes to RT ... so is sameera khan ... look her up ... i've provided many other sources ... again, all of which you choose not to read/listen and comment on ...

    i mean ... if I've pinned a lot of this on the mainstream media - how is posting a smear piece from the mainstream media going to change anything ... your comments on here are like the comments this reporter is getting ...

    https://twitter.com/PearsonSharp

    just a lot of anger and not thought ... no objectivity ... you've got your back up so far that you haven't even registered my primary message in all of this ...

    I keep replying to you in hopes that others reading this thread will understand ... that I ultimately know its hard for people to think the mainstream media and their govt's would like to them despite the overwhelming evidence ... all I hope for is that people don't take everything they read as factual but to see that there is another side ... and to think about things critically ... i've been researching Syria for over a year now .. probably closer to 2 ... i've read scientific reports from MIT professors, Syrian journalists and from a multitude of other sources ... i've come to my own conclusions based on all i've read from all these sources ...

    the hard part with you is that you don't listen or read what i've posted ... your first reaction to seeing eva bartlett is to google her and see the smear campaign the msm has done against her ... you could have listened to her words and tried to dispute it but nope - just gonna fire from the hip ...

  • polaris_x
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    my2hands said:
    this is horrible ... like literally every one of the so called myths can actually be proven to be true ... just because some guy writes it isn't and doesn't actually prove it but rather just says ... you can fact check it doesn't mean he's telling the truth ... like c'mon ... start with the white helmets ... check out the proof people have posted about how they are terrorists ... it's not hard ... just requires you to have an open mind ...

    and really bana's twitter account is so easily debunked ... i mean they killed her in a tweet and then made up the silliest of excuses of how they made a mistake ... really, these guys aren't super genius ... it's not hard to debunked both those propaganda tools ...

    a great example recently is the white helmets showed a picture of a barrel bomb that came through a roof ... the guys actually laid a bomb on a bed not realizing that if a bomb of that magnitude actually went through the roof and landed on a bed - the bed would be dsstroyed!! ... haha ... like just horrible fake shit here ... these guys are terrorists .. they aren't super smart ...
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    polaris_x said:
    polaris_x said:
    polaris_x said:
    benjs said:
    dignin said:
    benjs said:
    The mainstream media, American government, Russian government, Syrian government, and Daesh, all have vested interests in pushing their agendas. All of them have acted in disingenuous ways and have shown efforts to complicate the way situations would be perceived in their immediate pasts. Because of this, Occam's Razor can't guide a course of action because all players can be presumed to be consciously complicating, confusing, and conflating the reality.

    Depending on who's correct in their published position, bombing campaigns will have different outcomes. I would really love to hear one single rational explanation for how external parties' bombings of Syria will amount to improvements to the livelihoods of Syrians, how it is determined whose position is correct, and what risks reside if source information is proven invalid after the fact (meaning the wrong source is assumed correct). If these cannot be reasonably expressed, what right do any external parties have to be the global police force?

    I've read, and it really feels like in the battle for Syria's future, everything except Syrians get considered.
    Occam's Razor most definitely applies. We can still logically look to see who stands to gain from what action.

    And if bombing facilities stops the use of chemical weapons then it surely is worth it. Not saying that is what is actually happening but turning a blind eye to atrocities against civilians is not the answer. We should have learned that lesson from WWII.

    As a qualifier, I marched against the war in Iraq and the people comparing this situation to that situation have a poor memory.
    dignin - you're right about Occam's Razor. I guess what I'm trying to say is that since most or all involved parties seem to have a precedence for misleading the public and hiding true motives (to the best of their abilities) and actually pursuing to make situations seem more complicated than they are, with false or partial information how do we in the public actually make valid opinions about what should be done?

    I would never advocate turning a blind eye to atrocities (though there are a wealth of situations that could be defined as 'atrocities' that America either participates in making them worse, or staying uninvolved - Gaza and Yemen are two that immediately come to mind). As for the bombing - I agree, so long as the facilities are actually proven to house chemical weapons beyond reasonable doubt., but I do believe in apprehension before military actions, and pivoting those first steps towards acquiring substantial evidence first. Given that this represents foreign intervention - I feel that's the least owed to Americans and Syrians alike.
    blowing up a chemical weapons factory is about as intelligent as blowing up a nuclear missile ... if the americans did indeed blow up a chemical weapons store - then it unleashed toxic chemicals that would not only impact civilians but american soldiers and neighbouring countries ...

    based on people actually visiting the bomb sites today - it's clear they weren't chemical weapons stores ...

    so what is it? ... this is a no-win situation for the US ...
    You need to better understand the production, storage, delivery, destruction and types of arms used before you pass judgement on whether it makes sense. Do you know how many US troops are in Syria and where they’re located? So how dangerous was it for them? Also, what’s the west’s Ultimate end game, from the both sides, not blinded by mainstream media, critical thinking perspective?
    all the news outlets are calling the strikes on chemical weapons stores or production facilities ... not sure how bombing that would be considered safe for nearby people ...
    Like I said, you need to understand the capability of weapons systems. Less time on Yoitube, more time on war machination. And you didn’t answer my question.
    sorry what question was that? ... how many troops are in syria? ... reports are not clear as some have said that us troops occupy about 1/3 of syria now ... I know they've been part of the so called ooalition in raqqa from the get go so they will be in the north for sure ...

    so, why don't you educate me on weapons systems and tell me how bombing what was declared to be chemical weapons production facilities would be safe for the people around there ... 
    what’s the west’s Ultimate end game in Syria, from an independent, both sides, non western media biased view?
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    here is what I was referring to in terms of the bomb on the bed ...

    https://southfront.org/there-are-some-problems-with-gas-cylinders-videos-used-by-white-helmets-as-evidence-of-douma-attack/

    i mean ... c'mon now ..

  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    She's a blogger for RT... let that soak in... Assad the peacemaker 

    Bwahahahaha 
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    polaris_x said:
    polaris_x said:
    polaris_x said:
    benjs said:
    dignin said:
    benjs said:
    The mainstream media, American government, Russian government, Syrian government, and Daesh, all have vested interests in pushing their agendas. All of them have acted in disingenuous ways and have shown efforts to complicate the way situations would be perceived in their immediate pasts. Because of this, Occam's Razor can't guide a course of action because all players can be presumed to be consciously complicating, confusing, and conflating the reality.

    Depending on who's correct in their published position, bombing campaigns will have different outcomes. I would really love to hear one single rational explanation for how external parties' bombings of Syria will amount to improvements to the livelihoods of Syrians, how it is determined whose position is correct, and what risks reside if source information is proven invalid after the fact (meaning the wrong source is assumed correct). If these cannot be reasonably expressed, what right do any external parties have to be the global police force?

    I've read, and it really feels like in the battle for Syria's future, everything except Syrians get considered.
    Occam's Razor most definitely applies. We can still logically look to see who stands to gain from what action.

    And if bombing facilities stops the use of chemical weapons then it surely is worth it. Not saying that is what is actually happening but turning a blind eye to atrocities against civilians is not the answer. We should have learned that lesson from WWII.

    As a qualifier, I marched against the war in Iraq and the people comparing this situation to that situation have a poor memory.
    dignin - you're right about Occam's Razor. I guess what I'm trying to say is that since most or all involved parties seem to have a precedence for misleading the public and hiding true motives (to the best of their abilities) and actually pursuing to make situations seem more complicated than they are, with false or partial information how do we in the public actually make valid opinions about what should be done?

    I would never advocate turning a blind eye to atrocities (though there are a wealth of situations that could be defined as 'atrocities' that America either participates in making them worse, or staying uninvolved - Gaza and Yemen are two that immediately come to mind). As for the bombing - I agree, so long as the facilities are actually proven to house chemical weapons beyond reasonable doubt., but I do believe in apprehension before military actions, and pivoting those first steps towards acquiring substantial evidence first. Given that this represents foreign intervention - I feel that's the least owed to Americans and Syrians alike.
    blowing up a chemical weapons factory is about as intelligent as blowing up a nuclear missile ... if the americans did indeed blow up a chemical weapons store - then it unleashed toxic chemicals that would not only impact civilians but american soldiers and neighbouring countries ...

    based on people actually visiting the bomb sites today - it's clear they weren't chemical weapons stores ...

    so what is it? ... this is a no-win situation for the US ...
    You need to better understand the production, storage, delivery, destruction and types of arms used before you pass judgement on whether it makes sense. Do you know how many US troops are in Syria and where they’re located? So how dangerous was it for them? Also, what’s the west’s Ultimate end game, from the both sides, not blinded by mainstream media, critical thinking perspective?
    all the news outlets are calling the strikes on chemical weapons stores or production facilities ... not sure how bombing that would be considered safe for nearby people ...
    Like I said, you need to understand the capability of weapons systems. Less time on Yoitube, more time on war machination. And you didn’t answer my question.
    sorry what question was that? ... how many troops are in syria? ... reports are not clear as some have said that us troops occupy about 1/3 of syria now ... I know they've been part of the so called ooalition in raqqa from the get go so they will be in the north for sure ...

    so, why don't you educate me on weapons systems and tell me how bombing what was declared to be chemical weapons production facilities would be safe for the people around there ... 
    what’s the west’s Ultimate end game in Syria, from an independent, both sides, non western media biased view?
    i would speculate the following:

    * war profiteering
    * next country on the list (afghanistan, iraq and libya first) - all on a list that was leaked a long time ago
    * help israel secure the golan heights
    * help turkey annex parts of syria
    * access to pipelines
    * oil
    * imperialistic goals

  • drakeheuer14
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    polaris_x said:
    my2hands said:
    Here is a little tidbit on Eva Bartlett and some of her claims...

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-eva-bartletts-claims-about-syrian-children


    And of course, she writes a blog for the state funded Russian media outlet Russia Today (RT)!!!! Bwahahahaha

    From what I can tell she isn't even a fucking journalist... this is who you're hitching your wagon too? Give me a fucking break, all your bullshit conspiracy theories are coming from an RT blogger? Infowars started the bullshit White Helmets nonsense well... not to mention these weak ass conspiracies fall apart with just minimal research

    You are sucking down fake news and propaganda... its warping you... open your eyes 
    she is an independent journalist that contributes to RT ... so is sameera khan ... look her up ... i've provided many other sources ... again, all of which you choose not to read/listen and comment on ...

    i mean ... if I've pinned a lot of this on the mainstream media - how is posting a smear piece from the mainstream media going to change anything ... your comments on here are like the comments this reporter is getting ...

    https://twitter.com/PearsonSharp

    just a lot of anger and not thought ... no objectivity ... you've got your back up so far that you haven't even registered my primary message in all of this ...

    I keep replying to you in hopes that others reading this thread will understand ... that I ultimately know its hard for people to think the mainstream media and their govt's would like to them despite the overwhelming evidence ... all I hope for is that people don't take everything they read as factual but to see that there is another side ... and to think about things critically ... i've been researching Syria for over a year now .. probably closer to 2 ... i've read scientific reports from MIT professors, Syrian journalists and from a multitude of other sources ... i've come to my own conclusions based on all i've read from all these sources ...

    the hard part with you is that you don't listen or read what i've posted ... your first reaction to seeing eva bartlett is to google her and see the smear campaign the msm has done against her ... you could have listened to her words and tried to dispute it but nope - just gonna fire from the hip ...

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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    polaris_x said:
    my2hands said:
    Here is a little tidbit on Eva Bartlett and some of her claims...

    https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-eva-bartletts-claims-about-syrian-children


    And of course, she writes a blog for the state funded Russian media outlet Russia Today (RT)!!!! Bwahahahaha

    From what I can tell she isn't even a fucking journalist... this is who you're hitching your wagon too? Give me a fucking break, all your bullshit conspiracy theories are coming from an RT blogger? Infowars started the bullshit White Helmets nonsense well... not to mention these weak ass conspiracies fall apart with just minimal research

    You are sucking down fake news and propaganda... its warping you... open your eyes 
    she is an independent journalist that contributes to RT ... so is sameera khan ... look her up ... i've provided many other sources ... again, all of which you choose not to read/listen and comment on ...

    i mean ... if I've pinned a lot of this on the mainstream media - how is posting a smear piece from the mainstream media going to change anything ... your comments on here are like the comments this reporter is getting ...

    https://twitter.com/PearsonSharp

    just a lot of anger and not thought ... no objectivity ... you've got your back up so far that you haven't even registered my primary message in all of this ...

    I keep replying to you in hopes that others reading this thread will understand ... that I ultimately know its hard for people to think the mainstream media and their govt's would like to them despite the overwhelming evidence ... all I hope for is that people don't take everything they read as factual but to see that there is another side ... and to think about things critically ... i've been researching Syria for over a year now .. probably closer to 2 ... i've read scientific reports from MIT professors, Syrian journalists and from a multitude of other sources ... i've come to my own conclusions based on all i've read from all these sources ...

    the hard part with you is that you don't listen or read what i've posted ... your first reaction to seeing eva bartlett is to google her and see the smear campaign the msm has done against her ... you could have listened to her words and tried to dispute it but nope - just gonna fire from the hip ...

    Oh enlightened one, teach us your ways! 
    i dunno if this is sarcasm or facetiousness ... probably but ...

    I would also add that if the primary counter argument someone makes is that something is a conspiracy theory - then they are simply just demeaning an argument without actually countering anything with facts or sources ...

    there is a lot at stake here in Syria ...

    * international law - launching unilateral strikes without UN approval is horrible for justice especially considering no actual proof was given about the alleged chemical attack
    * sovereignty - what rights do we have to invade a sovereign country? ... imagine a country bombed the US because americans were killing black people for no reason?
    * the rise of terrorism and extremists - everywhere the US/UK have "liberated" (afhganistan, iraq and libya) are overrun with extremists controlling swaths of territory ... this is not hard to see ... giving them yet another country will only give rise to these factions ..
    * human lives - for 7 years Syria has been fighting a war against these terrorists ... all the talk of moderate rebels is not true ... it's not hard to see that ISIS, Al Nusra front, Al Qaeda and others ...
    * truth - imagine for a second that the information being put forth by the msm was false and co-ordinated ... what does that mean in an era of facebook and fake news? .. what does it mean about everything we ingest from these corporately owned entities ... it just takes but one brick for the house to fall ..
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    Does this count as evidence?  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/14/french-report-lays-out-evidence-assad-forces-conducted-chemical-attack-civilians/517187002/

    French analysts examined photos taken in two locations that depicted the following symptoms consistent with a chemical attack:

    • Suffocation or breathing difficulties,
    • Mentions of a strong chlorine odor and presence of green smoke in the areas affected,
    • Extreme salivation and secretions from the mouth and nose
    • Cyanosis, or blue coloration of the skin due to poor oxygen flow.
    • Burns to the skin and cornea.

    "No deaths from mechanical injuries were visible," the report said. "All of these symptoms are characteristic of a chemical weapons attack, particularly choking agents and organophosphorus agents or hydrocyanic acid."

    France's conclusions were supported by Trump administration officials Saturday afternoon who determined that both chlorine and sarin, a highly toxic nerve agent, were used on the civilians by the forces under Assad in the April 7 attack.

    Their findings were based on first-hand accounts of military helicopters releasing barrel bombs, evidence of features and markings of the bombs consistent with those Syrian forces used in previous attacks, and photos and videos of victims exhibiting the effects of chemical exposure such as foaming at the mouth, said the officials who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,385
    my2hands said:
    She's a blogger for RT... let that soak in... Assad the peacemaker 

    Bwahahahaha 
    RT is as reliable and believable as infowars, newsmax, breitbart, and foxnews
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mcgruff10 said:
    Does this count as evidence?  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/14/french-report-lays-out-evidence-assad-forces-conducted-chemical-attack-civilians/517187002/

    French analysts examined photos taken in two locations that depicted the following symptoms consistent with a chemical attack:

    • Suffocation or breathing difficulties,
    • Mentions of a strong chlorine odor and presence of green smoke in the areas affected,
    • Extreme salivation and secretions from the mouth and nose
    • Cyanosis, or blue coloration of the skin due to poor oxygen flow.
    • Burns to the skin and cornea.

    "No deaths from mechanical injuries were visible," the report said. "All of these symptoms are characteristic of a chemical weapons attack, particularly choking agents and organophosphorus agents or hydrocyanic acid."

    France's conclusions were supported by Trump administration officials Saturday afternoon who determined that both chlorine and sarin, a highly toxic nerve agent, were used on the civilians by the forces under Assad in the April 7 attack.

    Their findings were based on first-hand accounts of military helicopters releasing barrel bombs, evidence of features and markings of the bombs consistent with those Syrian forces used in previous attacks, and photos and videos of victims exhibiting the effects of chemical exposure such as foaming at the mouth, said the officials who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

    no ... because their source for this is social media postings from terrorists groups ...

    please note this ... assad was accused last year about another sarin attack of which mattis said recently that the US still has no proof of that attack ... if you recall - trump launched a few missiles that did minimal damage last year ...
  • mcgruff10
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    polaris_x said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Does this count as evidence?  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/14/french-report-lays-out-evidence-assad-forces-conducted-chemical-attack-civilians/517187002/

    French analysts examined photos taken in two locations that depicted the following symptoms consistent with a chemical attack:

    • Suffocation or breathing difficulties,
    • Mentions of a strong chlorine odor and presence of green smoke in the areas affected,
    • Extreme salivation and secretions from the mouth and nose
    • Cyanosis, or blue coloration of the skin due to poor oxygen flow.
    • Burns to the skin and cornea.

    "No deaths from mechanical injuries were visible," the report said. "All of these symptoms are characteristic of a chemical weapons attack, particularly choking agents and organophosphorus agents or hydrocyanic acid."

    France's conclusions were supported by Trump administration officials Saturday afternoon who determined that both chlorine and sarin, a highly toxic nerve agent, were used on the civilians by the forces under Assad in the April 7 attack.

    Their findings were based on first-hand accounts of military helicopters releasing barrel bombs, evidence of features and markings of the bombs consistent with those Syrian forces used in previous attacks, and photos and videos of victims exhibiting the effects of chemical exposure such as foaming at the mouth, said the officials who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

    no ... because their source for this is social media postings from terrorists groups ...

    please note this ... assad was accused last year about another sarin attack of which mattis said recently that the US still has no proof of that attack ... if you recall - trump launched a few missiles that did minimal damage last year ...
    so are you saying he has never used chemical weapons (2013) or hasn’t used them in the past year?  I am genuinely interested. 
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mcgruff10 said:
    polaris_x said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Does this count as evidence?  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/14/french-report-lays-out-evidence-assad-forces-conducted-chemical-attack-civilians/517187002/

    French analysts examined photos taken in two locations that depicted the following symptoms consistent with a chemical attack:

    • Suffocation or breathing difficulties,
    • Mentions of a strong chlorine odor and presence of green smoke in the areas affected,
    • Extreme salivation and secretions from the mouth and nose
    • Cyanosis, or blue coloration of the skin due to poor oxygen flow.
    • Burns to the skin and cornea.

    "No deaths from mechanical injuries were visible," the report said. "All of these symptoms are characteristic of a chemical weapons attack, particularly choking agents and organophosphorus agents or hydrocyanic acid."

    France's conclusions were supported by Trump administration officials Saturday afternoon who determined that both chlorine and sarin, a highly toxic nerve agent, were used on the civilians by the forces under Assad in the April 7 attack.

    Their findings were based on first-hand accounts of military helicopters releasing barrel bombs, evidence of features and markings of the bombs consistent with those Syrian forces used in previous attacks, and photos and videos of victims exhibiting the effects of chemical exposure such as foaming at the mouth, said the officials who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

    no ... because their source for this is social media postings from terrorists groups ...

    please note this ... assad was accused last year about another sarin attack of which mattis said recently that the US still has no proof of that attack ... if you recall - trump launched a few missiles that did minimal damage last year ...
    so are you saying he has never used chemical weapons (2013) or hasn’t used them in the past year?  I am genuinely interested. 
    no ... Syria agreed as part of a tripartite agreement to dismantle all chemical weapons ... the OPCW confirms that ... they continue to inspect Syria with the latest being in November of last year ... no chemical weapons ... as others have pointed out there are elements in the latest report that some might point to that says maybe they still have chemical weapons ...

    the claim of sarin gas use in Ghouta last year has been debunked ... general mattis recently admitted the US still does not have proof that a chemical attack was initiated by Assad ... please go through this thread as it relates to the logic of assad using chemical weapons, the timing of these attacks always occurring when trump says he's pulling out and when the so called rebels are about to lose ... also, look at the evidence that is provided ... often videos of rescuers showing dead children and what not ... expert analysis of those videos always show shocking inconsistencies ... and horrible inaccuracies ... see the video I posted showing the supposed chemical attack bomb that apparently fell through a roof ... broke a hole and then landed on a bed without damaging the bed!! ... the proof gov'ts refer to are all these social media posts that are horribly poor in production they are easily debunked ...
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Fucking Russian propaganda bullshit. Just stop the nonsense, this is the same shit that helped get Trump elected.

    Polaris, your sources are shit. Please, nobody buy into any of this.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    my2hands said:
    She's a blogger for RT... let that soak in... Assad the peacemaker 

    Bwahahahaha 
    RT is as reliable and believable as infowars, newsmax, breitbart, and foxnews
    It's even worse because its Russian state run media... Essentially Putins personal "news" organization 

    And she's a paid blogger for them... 

    Anything she says is garbage, she's on the payroll FFS! lol
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    And from what I can see she also spreads horeshit pro North Korea propaganda (shocked!) 
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,111
    edited April 2018
    my2hands said:
    And from what I can see she also spreads horeshit pro North Korea propaganda (shocked!) 
    There is nothing pro about The North Korean government. They could be the most brain washed country in history. 
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited April 2018
    polaris_x said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    polaris_x said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    Does this count as evidence?  https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/04/14/french-report-lays-out-evidence-assad-forces-conducted-chemical-attack-civilians/517187002/

    French analysts examined photos taken in two locations that depicted the following symptoms consistent with a chemical attack:

    • Suffocation or breathing difficulties,
    • Mentions of a strong chlorine odor and presence of green smoke in the areas affected,
    • Extreme salivation and secretions from the mouth and nose
    • Cyanosis, or blue coloration of the skin due to poor oxygen flow.
    • Burns to the skin and cornea.

    "No deaths from mechanical injuries were visible," the report said. "All of these symptoms are characteristic of a chemical weapons attack, particularly choking agents and organophosphorus agents or hydrocyanic acid."

    France's conclusions were supported by Trump administration officials Saturday afternoon who determined that both chlorine and sarin, a highly toxic nerve agent, were used on the civilians by the forces under Assad in the April 7 attack.

    Their findings were based on first-hand accounts of military helicopters releasing barrel bombs, evidence of features and markings of the bombs consistent with those Syrian forces used in previous attacks, and photos and videos of victims exhibiting the effects of chemical exposure such as foaming at the mouth, said the officials who requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly.

    no ... because their source for this is social media postings from terrorists groups ...

    please note this ... assad was accused last year about another sarin attack of which mattis said recently that the US still has no proof of that attack ... if you recall - trump launched a few missiles that did minimal damage last year ...
    so are you saying he has never used chemical weapons (2013) or hasn’t used them in the past year?  I am genuinely interested. 
    no ... Syria agreed as part of a tripartite agreement to dismantle all chemical weapons ... the OPCW confirms that ... they continue to inspect Syria with the latest being in November of last year ... no chemical weapons ... as others have pointed out there are elements in the latest report that some might point to that says maybe they still have chemical weapons ...

    the claim of sarin gas use in Ghouta last year has been debunked ... general mattis recently admitted the US still does not have proof that a chemical attack was initiated by Assad ... please go through this thread as it relates to the logic of assad using chemical weapons, the timing of these attacks always occurring when trump says he's pulling out and when the so called rebels are about to lose ... also, look at the evidence that is provided ... often videos of rescuers showing dead children and what not ... expert analysis of those videos always show shocking inconsistencies ... and horrible inaccuracies ... see the video I posted showing the supposed chemical attack bomb that apparently fell through a roof ... broke a hole and then landed on a bed without damaging the bed!! ... the proof gov'ts refer to are all these social media posts that are horribly poor in production they are easily debunked ...
    OPCW confirmed the 2013 "Red Line" Sarin Gas attack and attributed it directly to the Syrian government and Assad The Peacemaker... henceforth the agreement to the so called destruction and removal of said capabilities... 

    Or is that bullshit too?
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,807
    polaris_x said:
    here is what I was referring to in terms of the bomb on the bed ...

    https://southfront.org/there-are-some-problems-with-gas-cylinders-videos-used-by-white-helmets-as-evidence-of-douma-attack/

    i mean ... c'mon now ..

    So I can’t understand what he is saying, but let me ask you a question, is it possible someone moved the bomb to the bed so it was in a good place to video?  I mean, they didn’t just have to leave it in the spot it landed, right?  How much they weigh I wonder....
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,807
    my2hands said:
    my2hands said:
    She's a blogger for RT... let that soak in... Assad the peacemaker 

    Bwahahahaha 
    RT is as reliable and believable as infowars, newsmax, breitbart, and foxnews
    It's even worse because its Russian state run media... Essentially Putins personal "news" organization 

    And she's a paid blogger for them... 

    Anything she says is garbage, she's on the payroll FFS! lol
    Yeah kinda a red flag being she’s paid by Putin.
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