Nothing Mentioned About Swapping Seats Once Inside
I can't find the post, but somebody mentioned that he and his wife are both members and they both always try to get tickets. In the past if they both win, they would have friends (another couple) use their extra seats. First off, I'm not sure how this is shady. Two paying members are given 2 pairs of tickets. They were concerned, under this new ticket policy, that they might not be able to sit next to their significant other. However, I'm not seeing anything posted about not being able to swap seats once inside. Is this correct?
Could a ticket-winning husband and a ticket-winning wife get scanned in with their "guests" and then partner up with who they want to sit with (husband and wife use husband's seats, "guests" use wife's seats) once inside the venue?
Could a ticket-winning husband and a ticket-winning wife get scanned in with their "guests" and then partner up with who they want to sit with (husband and wife use husband's seats, "guests" use wife's seats) once inside the venue?
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2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
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2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
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2013: 7/19, 11/16
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2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
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2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
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2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
2016: Lexington and Wrigley 1
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
Let me explain why the past system made it unfair for some. People who may have had good standing memberships would take a friend, spouse, etc in the past. With the lottery, it made it beneficial to sign your 'partner' up as the ten club # didnt matter going for GA tickets, while the good seniority went for reserved. People were certainly doubling their chances and $20 got another ball in the bucket. These people need 1 pair of tickets and have increased their chances to obtaining a pair, and possibly even get an extra pair that could be traded for 10c seats to another show.
Others still had 1 entry.
People who were members and would link up to try for tickets and might obtain an extra pair to share weren't necessarily a problem though... but each time there was a lottery, there was a noticeable trend of more and more people looking to trade extra pairs for extra pairs for other shows.... and finding plenty of takers. Right here in the forum, facebook this was happening with regularity, and I would imagine some of these were being sold for more than face in other places. Meanwhile, plenty of people were shut out of all shows. People could have easily buddied-up and have multiple accounts they could manage to increase chances and tickets to skirt the system with ease. 10c Finally took notice and are trying a way to curb this.
I would assume there will be phone swapping if ushers are asking to see "tickets". With the example in this thread, wife could swap phones with "guest" during the show. The ticket explanation is already like 20 bullet-points long, and there's still examples like this one where questions remain. I'm just not clear if they frown on what's described on this thread or not.
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
The summary of the responses I received:
If you have one requesting GA and one reserved it will not work because there is a wristband for GA. So in my scenario, I would get one wristband and my friend would get the other since my the reserved tickets would be in my wife's name. My wife would be out of luck with no wristband. So you can't request GA and trade it.
if you both request reserved, you can either swap phones/logins or you would have to go down to the seats, leave one of your friends there and return up with your phone and then walk down the other.
For other concerts that had mobile tickets, you would get a slip of paper that let you sit in the seat. If that is the case, then you could probably give your friend one of the tickets on their phone and the two slips of paper and they should be able to walk down together as proof of the 2 seats. I can't imagine the usher is going to make everyone whip out their phones to show the mobile ticket and the slip of paper.
Also I have seen plenty of posts on these boards where solo fans would make deals before hand with other solo fans that if either of them win they are taking the other bettering their odds. Have you never done this over the years and how is this any different then my situation except I live with my plus 1?
Before the lottery, would you and your spouse each buy a pair to the same show?
And VVVV below, I think it does effect GA. The hassle of entering with the person you are 'linked' to will restrict the appeal of getting extra GA to trade for other extra pairs. It'll still happen I am sure, but we were at epidemic levels the last few tours. People also would put in a couple entries. One for their long-time 10c number, and one for their partner for GA with the higher 10c#. If they landed GA, great, the reserved were easy to get rid of. This also makes that practice very tough to execute, at least a decent sized inconvenience.
My guess... there's going to be plenty of people handing their phones to somebody either at scan-in or once inside venue. The "further details" that will come in July may shed a little more light on things... who knows?
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
I wouldn't want to be the one trying to get to my nice reserved seat with my wife and hoping that they wouldn't check her ticket. Or if someone happened to be sitting in her seat, what would you do? You'd have no proof that was her seat.
And would you want to be the person buying one of the tickets from the husband and wife - knowing you'd have to go in whenever they did and that you wouldn't even have a copy of the ticket once inside to allow you to get past any ushers or mitigate someone else sitting in your seat?
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With regards to buying pairs in the past lotto is different then general sale. Why would I get 2 sets of guaranteed tickets? As paying members we both have the same right to get selected to a show as anyone else whether we end up with 4 tickets or 2 does not matter since we are paying members. Now that the name is tied to the first ticket though we will change the way we pick as they have it designed and hope that it works out as intended.
Sounds like you would almost be guaranteed to win both pairs and be stuck with one that is now very difficult to share or pass on.
I don't think going in at the same time is an major issue to overcome.
I do agree with your point insofar as a guest might have to swap out a phone with the husband or wife so the guest can show the tickets if asked by an usher... but therein lies the question! Will there be paper handed out? Or is your phone (that could potentially go dead
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
I don't think you're situation/example represents the 'bad guy', or the reason for the need for a more restrictive system. I dont blame people for strategically increasing their chances and optimizing choices. It was people who were able to exponentially increase chances and be able to 'tour' primarily in GA and premium 10c seats. I also suspect there was a bit more selling/trading for more than face occurring. The GA lottery pools were spiked with 'extra' members IMO.
I still do think a couple trying for one pair of tickets through 2 entries vs one person trying for the same pair is an inequitable system. If you each wanted a pair and had a friend in mind to accompany each of you, that would be equitable. If the extra pair would be truly extra and needing to find someone else to take them, or a non-member couple, then that also takes tix away from those in the lottery.
The wife and I are both 10C members, but only one of us is putting in for tickets. We don't want to get stuck with an extra pair.
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My wife and I have done that as well. Sold her extra pair for face once we both won the ticket lotto.
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As far as swapping once in side, unless you are walking around like a lost moron staring at your tickets while standing next to the usher, you should be fine. They generally assist the clueless and if you look like you know what you are doing and where you are going, you'll be fine. If the usher is taking their job too seriously, just go back to the concourse and go down a different aisle with a less-enthused gate keeper.