Nothing Mentioned About Swapping Seats Once Inside
I can't find the post, but somebody mentioned that he and his wife are both members and they both always try to get tickets. In the past if they both win, they would have friends (another couple) use their extra seats. First off, I'm not sure how this is shady. Two paying members are given 2 pairs of tickets. They were concerned, under this new ticket policy, that they might not be able to sit next to their significant other. However, I'm not seeing anything posted about not being able to swap seats once inside. Is this correct?
Could a ticket-winning husband and a ticket-winning wife get scanned in with their "guests" and then partner up with who they want to sit with (husband and wife use husband's seats, "guests" use wife's seats) once inside the venue?
Could a ticket-winning husband and a ticket-winning wife get scanned in with their "guests" and then partner up with who they want to sit with (husband and wife use husband's seats, "guests" use wife's seats) once inside the venue?
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2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
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2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
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2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
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2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/29
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I don't believe that any of the seats will have specific name plates, so I think that you could roll with that option.
2014: Cincinnati
2016: Lexington and Wrigley 10 -
I guess one potential problem would be if the husband won "GA" and the wife won "Reserved". They may wristband the husband and "guest"?
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2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
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If they make you put the wrist bands on right there or put them on you, then yes it would be an issue.wnh1977 said:I guess one potential problem would be if the husband won "GA" and the wife won "Reserved". They may wristband the husband and "guest"?2014: Cincinnati
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I think it's rare examples like this that are left unclear. I think this is a spectacular move by PJ, trying to make it as fair to everybody as possible, and it sounds like a ton of REAL fans are going to be able to get in the doors at face value. Great! HOWEVER, I don't see where the example listed in this thread is scamming the system. It is something that happens... groups congregate to these shows together.1998: 6/26, 6/27, 6/29
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2005: 9/9, 9/28
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2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
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that could happen, but if an usher asks to see the "ticket" it could run into trouble I guess.
Let me explain why the past system made it unfair for some. People who may have had good standing memberships would take a friend, spouse, etc in the past. With the lottery, it made it beneficial to sign your 'partner' up as the ten club # didnt matter going for GA tickets, while the good seniority went for reserved. People were certainly doubling their chances and $20 got another ball in the bucket. These people need 1 pair of tickets and have increased their chances to obtaining a pair, and possibly even get an extra pair that could be traded for 10c seats to another show.
Others still had 1 entry.
People who were members and would link up to try for tickets and might obtain an extra pair to share weren't necessarily a problem though... but each time there was a lottery, there was a noticeable trend of more and more people looking to trade extra pairs for extra pairs for other shows.... and finding plenty of takers. Right here in the forum, facebook this was happening with regularity, and I would imagine some of these were being sold for more than face in other places. Meanwhile, plenty of people were shut out of all shows. People could have easily buddied-up and have multiple accounts they could manage to increase chances and tickets to skirt the system with ease. 10c Finally took notice and are trying a way to curb this.
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Hmmm... I do see your point. It just seems odd that to combat the people that are bettering their odds you might potentially penalize a couple that are paying members that want to take a couple friends. No perfect system.MayDay10 said:that could happen, but if an usher asks to see the "ticket" it could run into trouble I guess.
Let me explain why the past system made it unfair for some. People who may have had good standing memberships would take a friend, spouse, etc in the past. With the lottery, it made it beneficial to sign your 'partner' up as the ten club # didnt matter going for GA tickets, while the good seniority went for reserved. People were certainly doubling their chances and $20 got another ball in the bucket. These people need 1 pair of tickets and have increased their chances to obtaining a pair, and possibly even get an extra pair that could be traded for 10c seats to another show.
Others still had 1 entry.
People who were members and would link up to try for tickets and might obtain an extra pair to share weren't necessarily a problem though... but each time there was a lottery, there was a noticeable trend of more and more people looking to trade extra pairs for extra pairs for other shows.... and finding plenty of takers. Right here in the forum, facebook this was happening with regularity, and I would imagine some of these were being sold for more than face in other places. Meanwhile, plenty of people were shut out of all shows. People could have easily buddied-up and have multiple accounts they could manage to increase chances and tickets to skirt the system with ease. 10c Finally took notice and are trying a way to curb this.
I would assume there will be phone swapping if ushers are asking to see "tickets". With the example in this thread, wife could swap phones with "guest" during the show. The ticket explanation is already like 20 bullet-points long, and there's still examples like this one where questions remain. I'm just not clear if they frown on what's described on this thread or not.
Post edited by wnh1977 on1998: 6/26, 6/27, 6/29
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
2024: 5/18, 6/290 -
Yeah, that was me. When all the Philly rumors started I signed up my wife. We are thinking of Fenway which does not have GA, so I think it should not be a problem.
The summary of the responses I received:
If you have one requesting GA and one reserved it will not work because there is a wristband for GA. So in my scenario, I would get one wristband and my friend would get the other since my the reserved tickets would be in my wife's name. My wife would be out of luck with no wristband. So you can't request GA and trade it.
if you both request reserved, you can either swap phones/logins or you would have to go down to the seats, leave one of your friends there and return up with your phone and then walk down the other.
For other concerts that had mobile tickets, you would get a slip of paper that let you sit in the seat. If that is the case, then you could probably give your friend one of the tickets on their phone and the two slips of paper and they should be able to walk down together as proof of the 2 seats. I can't imagine the usher is going to make everyone whip out their phones to show the mobile ticket and the slip of paper.0 -
Nothing changes with GA though. It is the reserved seats that are impacted due to not being able to send both tickets together as a sale. Also I understand the annoyance of people signing up everyone in their family to get better odds. I get how this is unfair to those that have no one specific they go to shows with or if they go solo but I strongly think it is ridiculous to say that 1 couple should only have one account or one pick per show. Each are paying members and especially ones that travel like myself are not abusing the system. Those that have hometown shows and have everyone in their family sign up for them ya that is dirty imo.MayDay10 said:that could happen, but if an usher asks to see the "ticket" it could run into trouble I guess.
Let me explain why the past system made it unfair for some. People who may have had good standing memberships would take a friend, spouse, etc in the past. With the lottery, it made it beneficial to sign your 'partner' up as the ten club # didnt matter going for GA tickets, while the good seniority went for reserved. People were certainly doubling their chances and $20 got another ball in the bucket. These people need 1 pair of tickets and have increased their chances to obtaining a pair, and possibly even get an extra pair that could be traded for 10c seats to another show.
Others still had 1 entry.
People who were members and would link up to try for tickets and might obtain an extra pair to share weren't necessarily a problem though... but each time there was a lottery, there was a noticeable trend of more and more people looking to trade extra pairs for extra pairs for other shows.... and finding plenty of takers. Right here in the forum, facebook this was happening with regularity, and I would imagine some of these were being sold for more than face in other places. Meanwhile, plenty of people were shut out of all shows. People could have easily buddied-up and have multiple accounts they could manage to increase chances and tickets to skirt the system with ease. 10c Finally took notice and are trying a way to curb this.
Also I have seen plenty of posts on these boards where solo fans would make deals before hand with other solo fans that if either of them win they are taking the other bettering their odds. Have you never done this over the years and how is this any different then my situation except I live with my plus 1?
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No, I have never done that.PJNB said:
Also I have seen plenty of posts on these boards where solo fans would make deals before hand with other solo fans that if either of them win they are taking the other bettering their odds. Have you never done this over the years and how is this any different then my situation except I live with my plus 1?
Before the lottery, would you and your spouse each buy a pair to the same show?
And VVVV below, I think it does effect GA. The hassle of entering with the person you are 'linked' to will restrict the appeal of getting extra GA to trade for other extra pairs. It'll still happen I am sure, but we were at epidemic levels the last few tours. People also would put in a couple entries. One for their long-time 10c number, and one for their partner for GA with the higher 10c#. If they landed GA, great, the reserved were easy to get rid of. This also makes that practice very tough to execute, at least a decent sized inconvenience.PJNB said:Nothing changes with GA though. It is the reserved seats that are impacted due to not being able to send both tickets together as a sale.Post edited by MayDay10 on0 -
Who knows? Have you seen the people scanning in? It's not like they're all going to be PJ reps making sure every one is following the rules explicity (and in this case, I'm not even 100% sure what the rules are... like the title of the thread says, it doesn't say you can't swap seats once inside). Again, with the example provided, if you go in with a ticket-winning husband and a ticket-winning wife and 2 guests, they'll probably let you pick who puts on the wristbands after scanning the 4 tickets in.
My guess... there's going to be plenty of people handing their phones to somebody either at scan-in or once inside venue. The "further details" that will come in July may shed a little more light on things... who knows?Post edited by wnh1977 on1998: 6/26, 6/27, 6/29
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2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
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If a husband and wife sold their two guest tickets and then managed to go in with the two people they sold them to and then swapped seats once inside so the husband and wife could sit together, only one of the 4 people would actually have a ticket for the seat to which they were assigned.
I wouldn't want to be the one trying to get to my nice reserved seat with my wife and hoping that they wouldn't check her ticket. Or if someone happened to be sitting in her seat, what would you do? You'd have no proof that was her seat.
And would you want to be the person buying one of the tickets from the husband and wife - knowing you'd have to go in whenever they did and that you wouldn't even have a copy of the ticket once inside to allow you to get past any ushers or mitigate someone else sitting in your seat?The only people we should try to get even with...
...are those who've helped us.
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Well they will have one of the tickets for the seat. Just means they can't leave the seat at the same time. That is why I am hoping they do the paper ticket thing they did at U2.0
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You have never gone to a show with someone else that also put in for the same draw? If so you are in the minority here and I see no harm myself in building friendships and bonds with others to help get tickets to a show. After the draw should we all flood Lost Dogs with our ISO +1 ticket for a show or FS +1 ticket since in your mind no planning before hand should be allowed? If I am coming off rude with this that is not my intent I am curious as to what your thoughts are. Also it seems like you like the system that benefits you and I like the system that benefits me which I think is a natural reaction.MayDay10 said:
No, I have never done that.PJNB said:
Also I have seen plenty of posts on these boards where solo fans would make deals before hand with other solo fans that if either of them win they are taking the other bettering their odds. Have you never done this over the years and how is this any different then my situation except I live with my plus 1?
Before the lottery, would you and your spouse each buy a pair to the same show?
With regards to buying pairs in the past lotto is different then general sale. Why would I get 2 sets of guaranteed tickets? As paying members we both have the same right to get selected to a show as anyone else whether we end up with 4 tickets or 2 does not matter since we are paying members. Now that the name is tied to the first ticket though we will change the way we pick as they have it designed and hope that it works out as intended.
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@MayDay10 as far as I can tell with the new policy you are not linked to your GA buddy going in. You give them your mobile ticket before hand and then you are free of contact from each other. If my wife and I want to put in for Wrigley and we both win all we have to do is sell our plus 1's and we just go in together as the primary ticket holder not ever having to contact the other buyers on the day of the show. That is how I read it anyway.0
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If I was that worried and had two memberships, I wouldn't bother to put i the lotto for both. They said they have more 10c seats than ever before and expect to fulfill most, if not all requests.
Sounds like you would almost be guaranteed to win both pairs and be stuck with one that is now very difficult to share or pass on.0 -
I'm not quite sure I understand your scenario... The husband's phone and wife's phone would each have proof of rights to 2 seats. So why would it be hard to say, "Hey buddy, you're in my seat. Look at the phone, these are my two." Are you going to have to prove with an ID that you're the person whose name is on the "ticket"? I doubt a name will even be on the "ticket". You'll just have a phone or phone(s) (if you transfer one) showing what seats you have.know1 said:If a husband and wife sold their two guest tickets and then managed to go in with the two people they sold them to and then swapped seats once inside so the husband and wife could sit together, only one of the 4 people would actually have a ticket for the seat to which they were assigned.
I wouldn't want to be the one trying to get to my nice reserved seat with my wife and hoping that they wouldn't check her ticket. Or if someone happened to be sitting in her seat, what would you do? You'd have no proof that was her seat.
And would you want to be the person buying one of the tickets from the husband and wife - knowing you'd have to go in whenever they did and that you wouldn't even have a copy of the ticket once inside to allow you to get past any ushers or mitigate someone else sitting in your seat?
I don't think going in at the same time is an major issue to overcome.
I do agree with your point insofar as a guest might have to swap out a phone with the husband or wife so the guest can show the tickets if asked by an usher... but therein lies the question! Will there be paper handed out? Or is your phone (that could potentially go dead) your only proof of a ticket! 
Post edited by wnh1977 on1998: 6/26, 6/27, 6/29
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
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I usually go to shows with my (non member) wife, or a number of (non member) friends. I went to a show once in NYC with an extra ticket and I hooked someone up on here. Maybe he put in for the lottery? Im not sure.PJNB said:
You have never gone to a show with someone else that also put in for the same draw? If so you are in the minority here and I see no harm myself in building friendships and bonds with others to help get tickets to a show. After the draw should we all flood Lost Dogs with our ISO +1 ticket for a show or FS +1 ticket since in your mind no planning before hand should be allowed? If I am coming off rude with this that is not my intent I am curious as to what your thoughts are. Also it seems like you like the system that benefits you and I like the system that benefits me which I think is a natural reaction.MayDay10 said:
No, I have never done that.PJNB said:
Also I have seen plenty of posts on these boards where solo fans would make deals before hand with other solo fans that if either of them win they are taking the other bettering their odds. Have you never done this over the years and how is this any different then my situation except I live with my plus 1?
Before the lottery, would you and your spouse each buy a pair to the same show?
With regards to buying pairs in the past lotto is different then general sale. Why would I get 2 sets of guaranteed tickets? As paying members we both have the same right to get selected to a show as anyone else whether we end up with 4 tickets or 2 does not matter since we are paying members. Now that the name is tied to the first ticket though we will change the way we pick as they have it designed and hope that it works out as intended.
I don't think you're situation/example represents the 'bad guy', or the reason for the need for a more restrictive system. I dont blame people for strategically increasing their chances and optimizing choices. It was people who were able to exponentially increase chances and be able to 'tour' primarily in GA and premium 10c seats. I also suspect there was a bit more selling/trading for more than face occurring. The GA lottery pools were spiked with 'extra' members IMO.
I still do think a couple trying for one pair of tickets through 2 entries vs one person trying for the same pair is an inequitable system. If you each wanted a pair and had a friend in mind to accompany each of you, that would be equitable. If the extra pair would be truly extra and needing to find someone else to take them, or a non-member couple, then that also takes tix away from those in the lottery.0 -
Looking back at the Euro draw and all of the people that did not read the clearly marked rules of the lotto I fear a lot of this happening. 10 club has done a good job on explaining the changes but people will still mess it up.mace1229 said:If I was that worried and had two memberships, I wouldn't bother to put i the lotto for both. They said they have more 10c seats than ever before and expect to fulfill most, if not all requests.
Sounds like you would almost be guaranteed to win both pairs and be stuck with one that is now very difficult to share or pass on.0 -
I respect your opinion and agree with the GA being spiked with extra members. Thanks for the insight from someone that is on the other side of the situation.MayDay10 said:
I usually go to shows with my (non member) wife, or a number of (non member) friends. I went to a show once in NYC with an extra ticket and I hooked someone up on here. Maybe he put in for the lottery? Im not sure.PJNB said:
You have never gone to a show with someone else that also put in for the same draw? If so you are in the minority here and I see no harm myself in building friendships and bonds with others to help get tickets to a show. After the draw should we all flood Lost Dogs with our ISO +1 ticket for a show or FS +1 ticket since in your mind no planning before hand should be allowed? If I am coming off rude with this that is not my intent I am curious as to what your thoughts are. Also it seems like you like the system that benefits you and I like the system that benefits me which I think is a natural reaction.MayDay10 said:
No, I have never done that.PJNB said:
Also I have seen plenty of posts on these boards where solo fans would make deals before hand with other solo fans that if either of them win they are taking the other bettering their odds. Have you never done this over the years and how is this any different then my situation except I live with my plus 1?
Before the lottery, would you and your spouse each buy a pair to the same show?
With regards to buying pairs in the past lotto is different then general sale. Why would I get 2 sets of guaranteed tickets? As paying members we both have the same right to get selected to a show as anyone else whether we end up with 4 tickets or 2 does not matter since we are paying members. Now that the name is tied to the first ticket though we will change the way we pick as they have it designed and hope that it works out as intended.
I don't think you're situation/example represents the 'bad guy', or the reason for the need for a more restrictive system. I dont blame people for strategically increasing their chances and optimizing choices. It was people who were able to exponentially increase chances and be able to 'tour' primarily in GA and premium 10c seats. I also suspect there was a bit more selling/trading for more than face occurring. The GA lottery pools were spiked with 'extra' members IMO.
I still do think a couple trying for one pair of tickets through 2 entries vs one person trying for the same pair is an inequitable system. If you each wanted a pair and had a friend in mind to accompany each of you, that would be equitable. If the extra pair would be truly extra and needing to find someone else to take them, or a non-member couple, then that also takes tix away from those in the lottery.0 -
Agreed. The updated rules are pretty clear, but people are still getting really confused and worked up over them, it happens with every drawing they do. And I agree with you PJNB about entering the lottery for friends/husband and wife. My wife and I are both TC members (both PJ fans before we ever met years ago), and we are both going to put in for GA (the one thing this change had done is now I won't put a 2nd choice for Reserved seats for the show I can attend). If we both win GA, we'll help someone out who missed out, if neither one of us wins, we'll find another way to get tickets.PJNB said:
Looking back at the Euro draw and all of the people that did not read the clearly marked rules of the lotto I fear a lot of this happening. 10 club has done a good job on explaining the changes but people will still mess it up.mace1229 said:If I was that worried and had two memberships, I wouldn't bother to put i the lotto for both. They said they have more 10c seats than ever before and expect to fulfill most, if not all requests.
Sounds like you would almost be guaranteed to win both pairs and be stuck with one that is now very difficult to share or pass on.0
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