I don't believe in God

dignin

Wasn't the word used in a derogatory way in the initial comment or am I missing something?

oftenreading

dignin said:

Wasn't the word used in a derogatory way in the initial comment or am I missing something?

I read it in the same way. I don't think "homo party" was a neutral comment.

oftenreading

Other thoughts - first, when something has traditionally been used as an insult, better to avoid using it.

Second, "call it like I see it" seems to frequently be code for "I'll be as insulting as I like and anyone who objects is just overly 'politically correct'".

oftenreading

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

even flow - question mark said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

I wonder why sexual abuse is so common in the Catholic church?
Are priests drawn to the church because of their sexual attraction to children or does being forced to be celibate warp them?

When you have the stories from 12 guys who followed one dudes motives, well that could have been a homo party right there. The catholic church is no different from other religions that have you marrying your first cousin when she probably has bled for the first time in her life if you're lucky. You could dump on all races and religions for this.

Anyway...............Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? That is a more pressing question about religion.

"homo"?  What, wait, did you really say "homo"? 

what's the difference between saying "homo" or "hetero"? if you call someone a homo in a derogatory way, sure, but just saying it in this context I don't find offensive. 

Maybe it's just my age but I've always thought of "homo" as derogatory and homophobic.  Sorry if I'm wrong.   Damn English language!

I agree that unless you're saying it in a derogatory context, there is nothing wrong with it. Context is everything! I mean, the "Q" in LGBTQ stands for queer (and/or questioning), so yeah, the gay community understands context pretty well.

So it's OK for me to use the "n" word in the right context?  I don't mean to be argumentative.  I've just hear too many derogatory "homo" comments in my life! And contrary to some folks assumption, I'm not even gay.

Brian, there is a context for use of the "n word", but let's just say that you are not in that context

Gern Blansten

Isn't it like calling a veterinarian a "vet"? 

PJ_Soul

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

even flow - question mark said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

I wonder why sexual abuse is so common in the Catholic church?
Are priests drawn to the church because of their sexual attraction to children or does being forced to be celibate warp them?

When you have the stories from 12 guys who followed one dudes motives, well that could have been a homo party right there. The catholic church is no different from other religions that have you marrying your first cousin when she probably has bled for the first time in her life if you're lucky. You could dump on all races and religions for this.

Anyway...............Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? That is a more pressing question about religion.

"homo"?  What, wait, did you really say "homo"? 

what's the difference between saying "homo" or "hetero"? if you call someone a homo in a derogatory way, sure, but just saying it in this context I don't find offensive. 

Maybe it's just my age but I've always thought of "homo" as derogatory and homophobic.  Sorry if I'm wrong.   Damn English language!

I agree that unless you're saying it in a derogatory context, there is nothing wrong with it. Context is everything! I mean, the "Q" in LGBTQ stands for queer (and/or questioning), so yeah, the gay community understands context pretty well.

So it's OK for me to use the "n" word in the right context?  I don't mean to be argumentative.  I've just hear too many derogatory "homo" comments in my life! And contrary to some folks assumption, I'm not even gay.

Brian, there is a context for use of the "n word", but let's just say that you are not in that context

Lol, exactly.

brianlux

oftenreading said:

brianlux said:

PJ_Soul said:

brianlux said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

brianlux said:

even flow - question mark said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

I wonder why sexual abuse is so common in the Catholic church?
Are priests drawn to the church because of their sexual attraction to children or does being forced to be celibate warp them?

When you have the stories from 12 guys who followed one dudes motives, well that could have been a homo party right there. The catholic church is no different from other religions that have you marrying your first cousin when she probably has bled for the first time in her life if you're lucky. You could dump on all races and religions for this.

Anyway...............Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? That is a more pressing question about religion.

"homo"?  What, wait, did you really say "homo"? 

what's the difference between saying "homo" or "hetero"? if you call someone a homo in a derogatory way, sure, but just saying it in this context I don't find offensive. 

Maybe it's just my age but I've always thought of "homo" as derogatory and homophobic.  Sorry if I'm wrong.   Damn English language!

I agree that unless you're saying it in a derogatory context, there is nothing wrong with it. Context is everything! I mean, the "Q" in LGBTQ stands for queer (and/or questioning), so yeah, the gay community understands context pretty well.

So it's OK for me to use the "n" word in the right context?  I don't mean to be argumentative.  I've just hear too many derogatory "homo" comments in my life! And contrary to some folks assumption, I'm not even gay.

Brian, there is a context for use of the "n word", but let's just say that you are not in that context

LOL, yes, true!

brianlux

even flow - question mark said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

even flow - question mark said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

I wonder why sexual abuse is so common in the Catholic church?
Are priests drawn to the church because of their sexual attraction to children or does being forced to be celibate warp them?

When you have the stories from 12 guys who followed one dudes motives, well that could have been a homo party right there. The catholic church is no different from other religions that have you marrying your first cousin when she probably has bled for the first time in her life if you're lucky. You could dump on all races and religions for this.

Anyway...............Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? That is a more pressing question about religion.

So in other words... "Let's not talk about it."

Are you trying to deflect? Or are you trying to minimize? Either is a time tested tactic organized religion uses frequently to cover up their messy situations.

The whole point to offering the piece on the Massachusetts' localized experience (I stress localized because the problem is far more profound than one area of the planet) was to illustrate how religion is exploitive. Specifically Christianity- the thread is 'God'... not Buddha or Allah.

It's a wonderful story to believe in and a hard one to shrug off when it is instilled in you as a child, but if one is objective and looks at the situation for what it is... I'm sorry to say it is a sham of epic proportions. It doesn't stand to reason, it has proven to be corrupt, and in many cases... it has proven to be vile. Ultimately, it's an industry after your money or your services. And if not your money or your services... then in some cases your children. It's a big price to pay for hope.

I'm repeating myself, but I once believed in God as much as anyone as a child. I felt him there residing over me and I tried my best to keep him happy. When I began to question... the 'just believe' responses simply didn't work for me. As an early teen... the fog lifted and I could see the situation much more clearly. It wasn't an easy break- I was psychologically dependent on the big feller. The power of the mind is huge.   

Don't dump on me brother. I don't believe in religion or a god. I know that the Catholic church is bad.

Would you think about marrying your 12 year old cousin? It is just a point I was making.

And Brian. PC is garbage. And I call it as I see it. Period.

Homophobia has nothing to do with PC and everything to do with prejudice.  Just to be clear then, let me ask, are you homophobic?

even flow - question mark

brianlux said:

even flow - question mark said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

even flow - question mark said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

I wonder why sexual abuse is so common in the Catholic church?
Are priests drawn to the church because of their sexual attraction to children or does being forced to be celibate warp them?

When you have the stories from 12 guys who followed one dudes motives, well that could have been a homo party right there. The catholic church is no different from other religions that have you marrying your first cousin when she probably has bled for the first time in her life if you're lucky. You could dump on all races and religions for this.

Anyway...............Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? That is a more pressing question about religion.

So in other words... "Let's not talk about it."

Are you trying to deflect? Or are you trying to minimize? Either is a time tested tactic organized religion uses frequently to cover up their messy situations.

The whole point to offering the piece on the Massachusetts' localized experience (I stress localized because the problem is far more profound than one area of the planet) was to illustrate how religion is exploitive. Specifically Christianity- the thread is 'God'... not Buddha or Allah.

It's a wonderful story to believe in and a hard one to shrug off when it is instilled in you as a child, but if one is objective and looks at the situation for what it is... I'm sorry to say it is a sham of epic proportions. It doesn't stand to reason, it has proven to be corrupt, and in many cases... it has proven to be vile. Ultimately, it's an industry after your money or your services. And if not your money or your services... then in some cases your children. It's a big price to pay for hope.

I'm repeating myself, but I once believed in God as much as anyone as a child. I felt him there residing over me and I tried my best to keep him happy. When I began to question... the 'just believe' responses simply didn't work for me. As an early teen... the fog lifted and I could see the situation much more clearly. It wasn't an easy break- I was psychologically dependent on the big feller. The power of the mind is huge.   

Don't dump on me brother. I don't believe in religion or a god. I know that the Catholic church is bad.

Would you think about marrying your 12 year old cousin? It is just a point I was making.

And Brian. PC is garbage. And I call it as I see it. Period.

Homophobia has nothing to do with PC and everything to do with prejudice.  Just to be clear then, let me ask, are you homophobic?

If you are referring to the time we ended up in the bar in Cinci on a road trip and guys purchased me drinks and chatted me up all night not knowing if I was straight or gay. To answer your question, NO! And guess what Bri, that was a homo club. Kind of like the reference to Jesus and his band of merry men. If I would have said his band of gays, somebody would have to say something about it. If I would have said his band of fags, somebody would have said something about it. If I would have said his band of queers, queens, pansys...........get where this is going. If you or I have a problem with people who follow Islam shooting up a concert hall, doesn't mean I have Islophbia and hate the Muslims who I work and hang around with. 2 cents

rgambs

Looks like a big fight is shaping up in Australia.  I love this and I hope they bring them hammer down on these sick fucks in robes.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/world/australia/sex-abuse-catholic-church-confession.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Thirty Bills Unpaid

rgambs said:

Looks like a big fight is shaping up in Australia.  I love this and I hope they bring them hammer down on these sick fucks in robes.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/world/australia/sex-abuse-catholic-church-confession.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

It concluded that 7 percent of Catholic priests in Australia had been accused of sexually abusing children between 1950 and 2010.

That's not too shabby! Chances are pretty good you won't get a complete weirdo as a priest when you go for your Sunday brainwashing sessions in Australia.

As for the resistance to breaching the trust confessions are supposed to maintain... it's kind of tricky. If priests report these confessions... pedophiles won't come forth with their admissions. From the business side of things... having been relieved of their guilt... people confessing to raping a child likely offer large donations to the church.

rgambs

Good points

brianlux

even flow - question mark said:

brianlux said:

even flow - question mark said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

even flow - question mark said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

I wonder why sexual abuse is so common in the Catholic church?
Are priests drawn to the church because of their sexual attraction to children or does being forced to be celibate warp them?

When you have the stories from 12 guys who followed one dudes motives, well that could have been a homo party right there. The catholic church is no different from other religions that have you marrying your first cousin when she probably has bled for the first time in her life if you're lucky. You could dump on all races and religions for this.

Anyway...............Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? That is a more pressing question about religion.

So in other words... "Let's not talk about it."

Are you trying to deflect? Or are you trying to minimize? Either is a time tested tactic organized religion uses frequently to cover up their messy situations.

The whole point to offering the piece on the Massachusetts' localized experience (I stress localized because the problem is far more profound than one area of the planet) was to illustrate how religion is exploitive. Specifically Christianity- the thread is 'God'... not Buddha or Allah.

It's a wonderful story to believe in and a hard one to shrug off when it is instilled in you as a child, but if one is objective and looks at the situation for what it is... I'm sorry to say it is a sham of epic proportions. It doesn't stand to reason, it has proven to be corrupt, and in many cases... it has proven to be vile. Ultimately, it's an industry after your money or your services. And if not your money or your services... then in some cases your children. It's a big price to pay for hope.

I'm repeating myself, but I once believed in God as much as anyone as a child. I felt him there residing over me and I tried my best to keep him happy. When I began to question... the 'just believe' responses simply didn't work for me. As an early teen... the fog lifted and I could see the situation much more clearly. It wasn't an easy break- I was psychologically dependent on the big feller. The power of the mind is huge.   

Don't dump on me brother. I don't believe in religion or a god. I know that the Catholic church is bad.

Would you think about marrying your 12 year old cousin? It is just a point I was making.

And Brian. PC is garbage. And I call it as I see it. Period.

Homophobia has nothing to do with PC and everything to do with prejudice.  Just to be clear then, let me ask, are you homophobic?

If you are referring to the time we ended up in the bar in Cinci on a road trip and guys purchased me drinks and chatted me up all night not knowing if I was straight or gay. To answer your question, NO! And guess what Bri, that was a homo club. Kind of like the reference to Jesus and his band of merry men. If I would have said his band of gays, somebody would have to say something about it. If I would have said his band of fags, somebody would have said something about it. If I would have said his band of queers, queens, pansys...........get where this is going. If you or I have a problem with people who follow Islam shooting up a concert hall, doesn't mean I have Islophbia and hate the Muslims who I work and hang around with. 2 cents

OK, so now you use the term "homo club".   I find the term "homo" offensive (no doubt you guessed that).  Ask your gay and lesbian friends what they think of the term "homo".  What do I know?  Maybe that's cool with them now (but I doubt it).  In any case,  I would not advise using the term "homo" around an older gay person unless you want to intentionally offend them. 

rgambs

brianlux said:

even flow - question mark said:

brianlux said:

even flow - question mark said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

even flow - question mark said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

I wonder why sexual abuse is so common in the Catholic church?
Are priests drawn to the church because of their sexual attraction to children or does being forced to be celibate warp them?

When you have the stories from 12 guys who followed one dudes motives, well that could have been a homo party right there. The catholic church is no different from other religions that have you marrying your first cousin when she probably has bled for the first time in her life if you're lucky. You could dump on all races and religions for this.

Anyway...............Did Adam and Eve have belly buttons? That is a more pressing question about religion.

So in other words... "Let's not talk about it."

Are you trying to deflect? Or are you trying to minimize? Either is a time tested tactic organized religion uses frequently to cover up their messy situations.

The whole point to offering the piece on the Massachusetts' localized experience (I stress localized because the problem is far more profound than one area of the planet) was to illustrate how religion is exploitive. Specifically Christianity- the thread is 'God'... not Buddha or Allah.

It's a wonderful story to believe in and a hard one to shrug off when it is instilled in you as a child, but if one is objective and looks at the situation for what it is... I'm sorry to say it is a sham of epic proportions. It doesn't stand to reason, it has proven to be corrupt, and in many cases... it has proven to be vile. Ultimately, it's an industry after your money or your services. And if not your money or your services... then in some cases your children. It's a big price to pay for hope.

I'm repeating myself, but I once believed in God as much as anyone as a child. I felt him there residing over me and I tried my best to keep him happy. When I began to question... the 'just believe' responses simply didn't work for me. As an early teen... the fog lifted and I could see the situation much more clearly. It wasn't an easy break- I was psychologically dependent on the big feller. The power of the mind is huge.   

Don't dump on me brother. I don't believe in religion or a god. I know that the Catholic church is bad.

Would you think about marrying your 12 year old cousin? It is just a point I was making.

And Brian. PC is garbage. And I call it as I see it. Period.

Homophobia has nothing to do with PC and everything to do with prejudice.  Just to be clear then, let me ask, are you homophobic?

If you are referring to the time we ended up in the bar in Cinci on a road trip and guys purchased me drinks and chatted me up all night not knowing if I was straight or gay. To answer your question, NO! And guess what Bri, that was a homo club. Kind of like the reference to Jesus and his band of merry men. If I would have said his band of gays, somebody would have to say something about it. If I would have said his band of fags, somebody would have said something about it. If I would have said his band of queers, queens, pansys...........get where this is going. If you or I have a problem with people who follow Islam shooting up a concert hall, doesn't mean I have Islophbia and hate the Muslims who I work and hang around with. 2 cents

OK, so now you use the term "homo club".   I find the term "homo" offensive (no doubt you guessed that).  Ask your gay and lesbian friends what they think of the term "homo".  What do I know?  Maybe that's cool with them now (but I doubt it).  In any case,  I would not advise using the term "homo" around an older gay person unless you want to intentionally offend them. 

Seems like that's exactly what this person would do.

Thoughts_Arrive

rgambs said:

Looks like a big fight is shaping up in Australia.  I love this and I hope they bring them hammer down on these sick fucks in robes.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/world/australia/sex-abuse-catholic-church-confession.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Australian Cardinal George Pell is one smug POS. He's currently on trial.
Hope he gets convicted. 
His responses to victims has been disgusting. 
It's disgusting that the Catholic church is funding the defence of the accused.
I had to go to church last year for my nieces confirmation. Gosh I hate it. But must go seeing it's my niece.

rgambs

Thoughts_Arrive said:

rgambs said:

Looks like a big fight is shaping up in Australia.  I love this and I hope they bring them hammer down on these sick fucks in robes.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/world/australia/sex-abuse-catholic-church-confession.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Australian Cardinal George Pell is one smug POS. He's currently on trial.
Hope he gets convicted. 
His responses to victims has been disgusting. 
It's disgusting that the Catholic church is funding the defence of the accused.
I had to go to church last year for my nieces confirmation. Gosh I hate it. But must go seeing it's my niece.

Yeah, it's fucked up the Vatican backs these sick bastards.
In America we had a Diocese go bankrupt because they couldn't afford to pay the victims...like, WTF?  How about the Pope sells one of his stupid fucking hats and they can pay these poor people who were raped by God's representatives.

Thoughts_Arrive

rgambs said:

Thoughts_Arrive said:

rgambs said:

Looks like a big fight is shaping up in Australia.  I love this and I hope they bring them hammer down on these sick fucks in robes.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/world/australia/sex-abuse-catholic-church-confession.html?referer=https://www.google.com/

Australian Cardinal George Pell is one smug POS. He's currently on trial.
Hope he gets convicted. 
His responses to victims has been disgusting. 
It's disgusting that the Catholic church is funding the defence of the accused.
I had to go to church last year for my nieces confirmation. Gosh I hate it. But must go seeing it's my niece.

Yeah, it's fucked up the Vatican backs these sick bastards.
In America we had a Diocese go bankrupt because they couldn't afford to pay the victims...like, WTF?  How about the Pope sells one of his stupid fucking hats and they can pay these poor people who were raped by God's representatives.

I got no money, but I have gold shoes and gold this and that lol
It's a big joke. Stupid are the people that flock to listen to these priests.

Thoughts_Arrive

https://www.theage.com.au/national/with-30b-in-wealth-why-is-the-catholic-church-struggling-to-pay-for-justice-20180208-p4yzra.html

rgambs

Infuriating.
I'd really like to post this to FB and tag my Catholic in laws.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Thoughts_Arrive said:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/with-30b-in-wealth-why-is-the-catholic-church-struggling-to-pay-for-justice-20180208-p4yzra.html

I got half way and couldn't read anymore.

The church is fraudulent. It always has been. It's an industry of the entertainment variety.

It'll always be there though. People want to believe. Despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and the lack of sensibility... they want to believe in the wonderful tale that has been spun for them. Despite the strong warning signs... people want to vote for a charlatan that promised to make their country again.

They willingly play the fool.