Oregonians Freaking Out About Having To Pump Their Own Gas

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

how am I undervaluing menial work? I'm not at all. I did it for years, quite happily, and very low paid. Not underpaid. I got paid what the work was worth. it was hard. Harder than my job now. But it required no special skill. I learned it and was extremely good at it. But there was no education or experience required for the job. That does and should mean something.

And I lived on my own no problem. 

the issue here is what is fair. I'd have to look at inflation trends to know the specifics, but I can't say that $15 an hour plus benefits for working the cash register at Tim's is sensible. Now, that amount will and should vary from region to region, as your standard of living in Vancouver is much higher than it is in Winnipeg. I did notice that your minimum wage is only 20 cents higher than ours, which I find outrageous, given how much it costs to live in Vancouver as compared to Winnipeg. 

how am I holding businesses and corporations to the same standards as individuals? my comment was only comparing big corp vs small business. 

And I was comparing individuals to businesses, and you claimed I was contradicting myself. I was just explaining my perspective in response to your comment towards me.

IMO the current minimum wage in many, many places is necessarily underpayment, because I believe that ALL people who work full time should at least be able to live at a certain basic level (which does include being able to pay for internet btw, along with rent, bills, clothes, food, transportation, medicine, and a little bit for entertainment), and current minimum wage does not do that. So that is why I think you are undervaluing menial work. Of course special skills and education and experience mean something. That's why those with such qualifications get paid more than minimum wage, and the more skilled, educated, or experienced they are, the further away they get from that baseline that minimum wage workers should be earning. THAT is fair. Now, I don't think minimum wage should be the same everywhere. I mean, $15 in Winnipeg is WAY different that $15 in Vancouver. You still can't even pay for a roof over your head on $15/hr in Vancouver, but in Winnipeg and some other places I'm sure that is more than enough. In some places the current minimum wage is already adequate, and in other places it is egregiously low.

yeah, the bolded part is the exact point I made in the post you were responding to. Did you not read it?

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

how am I undervaluing menial work? I'm not at all. I did it for years, quite happily, and very low paid. Not underpaid. I got paid what the work was worth. it was hard. Harder than my job now. But it required no special skill. I learned it and was extremely good at it. But there was no education or experience required for the job. That does and should mean something.

And I lived on my own no problem. 

the issue here is what is fair. I'd have to look at inflation trends to know the specifics, but I can't say that $15 an hour plus benefits for working the cash register at Tim's is sensible. Now, that amount will and should vary from region to region, as your standard of living in Vancouver is much higher than it is in Winnipeg. I did notice that your minimum wage is only 20 cents higher than ours, which I find outrageous, given how much it costs to live in Vancouver as compared to Winnipeg. 

how am I holding businesses and corporations to the same standards as individuals? my comment was only comparing big corp vs small business. 

And I was comparing individuals to businesses, and you claimed I was contradicting myself. I was just explaining my perspective in response to your comment towards me.

IMO the current minimum wage in many, many places is necessarily underpayment, because I believe that ALL people who work full time should at least be able to live at a certain basic level (which does include being able to pay for internet btw, along with rent, bills, clothes, food, transportation, medicine, and a little bit for entertainment), and current minimum wage does not do that. So that is why I think you are undervaluing menial work. Of course special skills and education and experience mean something. That's why those with such qualifications get paid more than minimum wage, and the more skilled, educated, or experienced they are, the further away they get from that baseline that minimum wage workers should be earning. THAT is fair. Now, I don't think minimum wage should be the same everywhere. I mean, $15 in Winnipeg is WAY different that $15 in Vancouver. You still can't even pay for a roof over your head on $15/hr in Vancouver, but in Winnipeg and some other places I'm sure that is more than enough. In some places the current minimum wage is already adequate, and in other places it is egregiously low.

yeah, the bolded part is the exact point I made in the post you were responding to. Did you not read it?

Yeah I did.... Why are you being so snarky, even what I agree with you? lol

mace1229

Always thought that law was stupid. Have family in Oregon and I feel like such a waste of time. If you go at off hours there might only be 1 person working the store who has to run in to work the cash register, back out to pump, help other customers. I've waited over 10 minutes to just get the pump started before.
You go at busy times they might have more employees, but then there's a line of people waiting. I've almost never found it convenient. 
And for those who lived in OR their whole life and don't know how to do it, I would imagine every gas station will have a full service option for years to come. I remember most gas stations in California had a full service lane until the mid 90's they faded out when no one used them.

HughFreakingDillon

I'm not being snarky. I thought it was odd to make an identical point, which lead me to believe  you didn't read my whole post. that's why i asked, and didn't accuse. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

I'm not being snarky. I thought it was odd to make an identical point, which lead me to believe  you didn't read my whole post. that's why i asked, and didn't accuse. 

I was just outlining my viewpoints.

PJ_Soul

mace1229 said:

Always thought that law was stupid. Have family in Oregon and I feel like such a waste of time. If you go at off hours there might only be 1 person working the store who has to run in to work the cash register, back out to pump, help other customers. I've waited over 10 minutes to just get the pump started before.
You go at busy times they might have more employees, but then there's a line of people waiting. I've almost never found it convenient. 
And for those who lived in OR their whole life and don't know how to do it, I would imagine every gas station will have a full service option for years to come. I remember most gas stations in California had a full service lane until the mid 90's they faded out when no one used them.

I do prefer stations that have both self-serve and full-serve. Having a choice is always nice..... That said, y'all should gtfo of your cars when at all possible and this wouldn't be an issue.

mace1229

rgambs said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

The US is such a weird country. 
Not being able to pump your own gas could be the premise of a Twilight Zone episode. 

Yep.
America, where you can buy an assault rifle at the gas station, but you can't pump your own gas lol

Serious question, is that a real thing?
I've never seen it or even heard of a gas station selling guns. But I didn't know private party sales were legal without a background check or going through a licensed dealer until a few years ago because I've always lived where private party sales and "gun show loopholes" were illegal. 

HughFreakingDillon

even when I'm at full serve, which I pretty much always am (co op membership), I still get out and pump my own gas and tell the attendant to take a load off. they always look at me like I'm an alien. 

Go Beavers

mace1229 said:

Always thought that law was stupid. Have family in Oregon and I feel like such a waste of time. If you go at off hours there might only be 1 person working the store who has to run in to work the cash register, back out to pump, help other customers. I've waited over 10 minutes to just get the pump started before.
You go at busy times they might have more employees, but then there's a line of people waiting. I've almost never found it convenient. 
And for those who lived in OR their whole life and don't know how to do it, I would imagine every gas station will have a full service option for years to come. I remember most gas stations in California had a full service lane until the mid 90's they faded out when no one used them.

I suppose it sepends on location and time of day, but I’ve rarely had to wait over a minute for the attendant. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

even when I'm at full serve, which I pretty much always am (co op membership), I still get out and pump my own gas and tell the attendant to take a load off. they always look at me like I'm an alien. 

Do people still tip gas station attendants (I know I tip the guy who fills my propane tank)? Maybe that is why they look at you sideways.... you're robbing them of a potential tip.

KC138045

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even when I'm at full serve, which I pretty much always am (co op membership), I still get out and pump my own gas and tell the attendant to take a load off. they always look at me like I'm an alien. 

Do people still tip gas station attendants (I know I tip the guy who fills my propane tank)? Maybe that is why they look at you sideways.... you're robbing them of a potential tip.

Waiters/waitresses and barbers are the only people I tip

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even when I'm at full serve, which I pretty much always am (co op membership), I still get out and pump my own gas and tell the attendant to take a load off. they always look at me like I'm an alien. 

Do people still tip gas station attendants (I know I tip the guy who fills my propane tank)? Maybe that is why they look at you sideways.... you're robbing them of a potential tip.

still? what do mean, still? I doubt anyone in winnipeg has ever tipped a gas station guy, never mind still.

I think they are just not used to cantankerous winnipeggers being nice to them. Friendly Manitoba my ASS. 

PJ_Soul

KC138045 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even when I'm at full serve, which I pretty much always am (co op membership), I still get out and pump my own gas and tell the attendant to take a load off. they always look at me like I'm an alien. 

Do people still tip gas station attendants (I know I tip the guy who fills my propane tank)? Maybe that is why they look at you sideways.... you're robbing them of a potential tip.

Waiters/waitresses and barbers are the only people I tip

I don't go crazy tipping - like, fuck off with those tip jars by the register in coffee shops and retail stores, lol. But, besides servers, bartenders, and my hair stylist, I also tip anyone who does manual labour for me specifically. I.e. mattress and furniture delivery men, movers, and the guy who lugs my propane tanks around. Also people who I rely on to keep my stuff safe, i.e. coat check attendants. They really will take better care of my stuff if I tip them a little bit. And valets of course - I am car free, but I'll tip on behalf of my car driving friends. And if I was fortunate enough to be able to afford maid service, I'd certainly tip them.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

KC138045 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even when I'm at full serve, which I pretty much always am (co op membership), I still get out and pump my own gas and tell the attendant to take a load off. they always look at me like I'm an alien. 

Do people still tip gas station attendants (I know I tip the guy who fills my propane tank)? Maybe that is why they look at you sideways.... you're robbing them of a potential tip.

Waiters/waitresses and barbers are the only people I tip

I don't go crazy tipping - like, fuck off with those tip jars by the register in coffee shops and retail stores, lol. But, besides servers, bartenders, and my hair stylist, I also tip anyone who does manual labour for me specifically. I.e. mattress and furniture delivery men, movers, and the guy who lugs my propane tanks around. Also people who I rely on to keep my stuff safe, i.e. coat check attendants. They really will take better care of my stuff if I tip them a little bit. And valets of course - I am car free, but I'll tip on behalf of my car driving friends. And if I was fortunate enough to be able to afford maid service, I'd certainly tip them.

you go through a lot of mattresses, PJ?

I used to be a much bigger tipper than I am now. I agree, with the cash register tip jar. You didn't fucking move from your spot to do your job, so you ain't getting more than what's on your paycheque from me. i give my change to charity jars, not tip jars. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

KC138045 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even when I'm at full serve, which I pretty much always am (co op membership), I still get out and pump my own gas and tell the attendant to take a load off. they always look at me like I'm an alien. 

Do people still tip gas station attendants (I know I tip the guy who fills my propane tank)? Maybe that is why they look at you sideways.... you're robbing them of a potential tip.

Waiters/waitresses and barbers are the only people I tip

I don't go crazy tipping - like, fuck off with those tip jars by the register in coffee shops and retail stores, lol. But, besides servers, bartenders, and my hair stylist, I also tip anyone who does manual labour for me specifically. I.e. mattress and furniture delivery men, movers, and the guy who lugs my propane tanks around. Also people who I rely on to keep my stuff safe, i.e. coat check attendants. They really will take better care of my stuff if I tip them a little bit. And valets of course - I am car free, but I'll tip on behalf of my car driving friends. And if I was fortunate enough to be able to afford maid service, I'd certainly tip them.

you go through a lot of mattresses, PJ?

I used to be a much bigger tipper than I am now. I agree, with the cash register tip jar. You didn't fucking move from your spot to do your job, so you ain't getting more than what's on your paycheque from me. i give my change to charity jars, not tip jars. 

Lol, no, I think I've had two mattresses delivered in my life, but I tipped them both times!
I know, right?? I think those cash register tip jar people have a lot of nerve putting those out. They know that some people feel guilted into tipping them when those things are on the counter. It's basically like panhandling while on the job.

F Me In The Brain

KC138045 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even when I'm at full serve, which I pretty much always am (co op membership), I still get out and pump my own gas and tell the attendant to take a load off. they always look at me like I'm an alien. 

Do people still tip gas station attendants (I know I tip the guy who fills my propane tank)? Maybe that is why they look at you sideways.... you're robbing them of a potential tip.

Waiters/waitresses and barbers are the only people I tip

A good, old fashioned, cash-whip never goes out of style.  If someone works an hourly labor type of job and they are helpful?  I tip them.  If they work a shitty hourly labor type of job (sky cap or luggage collector dudes especially) I will cash-whip the fuck out of them.
It is cold out and you hustle?  Bam!
You drive me somewhere, get out and open my door...and then run back and pull my bags out of the back?  Boom!
Remember that I like a Ketel Rocks, with small cubes vs. crushed or giant ice?  Whabambam!  (this also gets faster svc next time)
Hold the door and remember my name?  Pow!

Cash-whipping is a spice of life.  I always show my appreciation for hard workers. 

That being said, I don't tip the gas guys unless they do a bang up job on the windows.  Most leave them dirtier than when they started.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

KC138045 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even when I'm at full serve, which I pretty much always am (co op membership), I still get out and pump my own gas and tell the attendant to take a load off. they always look at me like I'm an alien. 

Do people still tip gas station attendants (I know I tip the guy who fills my propane tank)? Maybe that is why they look at you sideways.... you're robbing them of a potential tip.

Waiters/waitresses and barbers are the only people I tip

I don't go crazy tipping - like, fuck off with those tip jars by the register in coffee shops and retail stores, lol. But, besides servers, bartenders, and my hair stylist, I also tip anyone who does manual labour for me specifically. I.e. mattress and furniture delivery men, movers, and the guy who lugs my propane tanks around. Also people who I rely on to keep my stuff safe, i.e. coat check attendants. They really will take better care of my stuff if I tip them a little bit. And valets of course - I am car free, but I'll tip on behalf of my car driving friends. And if I was fortunate enough to be able to afford maid service, I'd certainly tip them.

you go through a lot of mattresses, PJ?

I used to be a much bigger tipper than I am now. I agree, with the cash register tip jar. You didn't fucking move from your spot to do your job, so you ain't getting more than what's on your paycheque from me. i give my change to charity jars, not tip jars. 

Lol, no, I think I've had two mattresses delivered in my life, but I tipped them both times!
I know, right?? I think those cash register tip jar people have a lot of nerve putting those out. They know that some people feel guilted into tipping them when those things are on the counter. It's basically like panhandling while on the job.

as a former restaurant cook, every time now that I go to tip a waitress I'm thinking of the poor slobs in the kitchen fighting the heat over the grill and the poor working conditions and it's the chick who brought me the food they made that gets the tip. when I was a cook, the waitresses had to give us 10%. 10%??? and that was after we all complained. before that the waitress could give us whatever they wanted. even zero. then the manager agreed that they had to give us 10% no matter what (still all on the honour system). I used to tip regardless of service, as long as the food was good. Then I realized, I'm giving 90% of that to the waitress/waiter even though they were a dick? Sometimes if the food was really good and the service was poor, I'll go directly to the kitchen or the manager and request my full tip be given to the cook. 

on those interac machines it should give you an option of who to give your tip to, "kitchen or server or both". 

PJ_Soul

F Me In The Brain said:

KC138045 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even when I'm at full serve, which I pretty much always am (co op membership), I still get out and pump my own gas and tell the attendant to take a load off. they always look at me like I'm an alien. 

Do people still tip gas station attendants (I know I tip the guy who fills my propane tank)? Maybe that is why they look at you sideways.... you're robbing them of a potential tip.

Waiters/waitresses and barbers are the only people I tip

A good, old fashioned, cash-whip never goes out of style.  If someone works an hourly labor type of job and they are helpful?  I tip them.  If they work a shitty hourly labor type of job (sky cap or luggage collector dudes especially) I will cash-whip the fuck out of them.
It is cold out and you hustle?  Bam!
You drive me somewhere, get out and open my door...and then run back and pull my bags out of the back?  Boom!
Remember that I like a Ketel Rocks, with small cubes vs. crushed or giant ice?  Whabambam!  (this also gets faster svc next time)
Hold the door and remember my name?  Pow!

Cash-whipping is a spice of life.  I always show my appreciation for hard workers. 

That being said, I don't tip the gas guys unless they do a bang up job on the windows.  Most leave them dirtier than when they started.

Oh yeah, right. Obviously I also tip taxi drivers, unless they're total pricks or try to cheat me somehow.

That is a good idea about the tip option on the mobile interac in restaurants. Every place I worked in when I used to serve and bartend, there was an automatic 10% - 15% that went to the house (spit between kitchen and hostesses). But if the food sucks shit or or whatever, but the server was awesome, or vice versa, it would be nice to have more control over how your tip's distributed. And you're right, good kitchen staff work their asses off (bad kitchen staff or just the fucking WORST though).

HughFreakingDillon

F Me In The Brain said:

KC138045 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even when I'm at full serve, which I pretty much always am (co op membership), I still get out and pump my own gas and tell the attendant to take a load off. they always look at me like I'm an alien. 

Do people still tip gas station attendants (I know I tip the guy who fills my propane tank)? Maybe that is why they look at you sideways.... you're robbing them of a potential tip.

Waiters/waitresses and barbers are the only people I tip

A good, old fashioned, cash-whip never goes out of style.  If someone works an hourly labor type of job and they are helpful?  I tip them.  If they work a shitty hourly labor type of job (sky cap or luggage collector dudes especially) I will cash-whip the fuck out of them.
It is cold out and you hustle?  Bam!
You drive me somewhere, get out and open my door...and then run back and pull my bags out of the back?  Boom!
Remember that I like a Ketel Rocks, with small cubes vs. crushed or giant ice?  Whabambam!  (this also gets faster svc next time)
Hold the door and remember my name?  Pow!

Cash-whipping is a spice of life.  I always show my appreciation for hard workers. 

That being said, I don't tip the gas guys unless they do a bang up job on the windows.  Most leave them dirtier than when they started.

my philosophy is if you went above and beyond. like some of the stuff you mentioned, and also if I know it will help me later on (faster service next time) I will also do that; win/win. 

I personally thought as a cook I went above and beyond, as I took great pride in my work, and that actually showed where people would come in to eat, ask if I was working, and if I wasn't, either they'd leave or just get a coffee. that was nice and all, but more tip percentage would have been the icing! 

benjs

PJ_Soul said:

KC138045 said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

even when I'm at full serve, which I pretty much always am (co op membership), I still get out and pump my own gas and tell the attendant to take a load off. they always look at me like I'm an alien. 

Do people still tip gas station attendants (I know I tip the guy who fills my propane tank)? Maybe that is why they look at you sideways.... you're robbing them of a potential tip.

Waiters/waitresses and barbers are the only people I tip

I don't go crazy tipping - like, fuck off with those tip jars by the register in coffee shops and retail stores, lol. But, besides servers, bartenders, and my hair stylist, I also tip anyone who does manual labour for me specifically. I.e. mattress and furniture delivery men, movers, and the guy who lugs my propane tanks around. Also people who I rely on to keep my stuff safe, i.e. coat check attendants. They really will take better care of my stuff if I tip them a little bit. And valets of course - I am car free, but I'll tip on behalf of my car driving friends. And if I was fortunate enough to be able to afford maid service, I'd certainly tip them.

I don’t fully understand tipping. I receive a salary (fixed compensation per time period with core expectations), and I have a bonus structure based on set measurements of excellence, which my employer incurs. Even a production job (again, fixed compensation per time period with core expectations) can have a measure of excellence, and I don’t know why a client has to incur what’s essentially a variable priced product due to them providing a bonus on behalf of an employer. That is asking your customer to subsidize your employee’s pay, which I just can’t wrap my head around. I wish that entire culture was gone, as I feel it would increase fair pay from employers, and would increase accountability and communications between production workers and their direct reports.