Avocado re mix whats your opinion?

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  • rw160510
    rw160510 Posts: 1,080
    Ok, I've gone through the whole lp now. I think on the whole the mix is much better for the mid tempo and slower tracks on the album. Gone, marker and army reserve all benefit from this mix in my opinion as they sound more complete and nuanced although the drums in marker are too big for me. I really liked Parachutes which surprised me as I have never been much of a fan. The heavier tracks are not serviced as well and still sound somewhat cluttered.  I have an original press so did a side by side with Severed Hand to check my earlier post and I really don't like what he has done with it, sounds sluggish and flat but then that's just my opinion. I guess this album is destined to never sound all that great even though it has some very good songs on it.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,920
    DewieCox said:
    lastexitlondon said:And some guitars being lost

    Couldn’t disagree more. I’m surprised how much detail they pulled out, while having everything compressed to shit. 
    Interesting... I wouldn't call it "compressed" at all.  I looked at it in Audacity and in Spec and the EQ does not show as compressed and the hz range actually goes to 192khz.  
  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    edited November 2017
    mrussel1 said:
    DewieCox said:
    lastexitlondon said:And some guitars being lost

    Couldn’t disagree more. I’m surprised how much detail they pulled out, while having everything compressed to shit. 
    Interesting... I wouldn't call it "compressed" at all.  I looked at it in Audacity and in Spec and the EQ does not show as compressed and the hz range actually goes to 192khz.  
    Yea, but I think there is considerable clipping. And I feel that is what is giving it the overall harshness. just my opinion.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,920
    MedozK said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DewieCox said:
    lastexitlondon said:And some guitars being lost

    Couldn’t disagree more. I’m surprised how much detail they pulled out, while having everything compressed to shit. 
    Interesting... I wouldn't call it "compressed" at all.  I looked at it in Audacity and in Spec and the EQ does not show as compressed and the hz range actually goes to 192khz.  
    Yea, but I think there is considerable clipping. And I feel that is what is giving it the overall harshness. just my opinion.
    Are you talking about the record or the FLAC?  My record hasn't arrived and I've only listened to the 192 flac.  I haven't heard clipping in it.  
  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    mrussel1 said:
    MedozK said:
    mrussel1 said:
    DewieCox said:
    lastexitlondon said:And some guitars being lost

    Couldn’t disagree more. I’m surprised how much detail they pulled out, while having everything compressed to shit. 
    Interesting... I wouldn't call it "compressed" at all.  I looked at it in Audacity and in Spec and the EQ does not show as compressed and the hz range actually goes to 192khz.  
    Yea, but I think there is considerable clipping. And I feel that is what is giving it the overall harshness. just my opinion.
    Are you talking about the record or the FLAC?  My record hasn't arrived and I've only listened to the 192 flac.  I haven't heard clipping in it.  
    The flac. Might just be my ears, but I can hear it.
  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 97,853
    lastexitlondon said:
    I agree with the crash cymbols being loud. And some guitars being lost
    Yes!! The symbols are loud. I thought something was off cause I don't remember it being so loud on the original release. 
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Compression alone doesn’t create clipping. With Avocado it puts all the instruments at one volume, sucking all the space and separation out and pretty much destroying the soundstage. Despite that congestion, the detail present is nice.
  • buck502000
    buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    I think all of these reissues are screwed.  BOB was the culprit- creating digital masters instead of keeping the Analog masters.  I.E. The Eddie quote about getting some bad advice early on.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,920
    DewieCox said:
    Compression alone doesn’t create clipping. With Avocado it puts all the instruments at one volume, sucking all the space and separation out and pretty much destroying the soundstage. Despite that congestion, the detail present is nice.
    I can agree with that.  I was thinking about compression in terms of bit rate, eliminating the highs and lows of the music in general.  When I reviewed the eq in audacity, my first thought was "dammit, brickwalled".  It wasn't as bad as I feared, but yes the instruments do seem to be mixed at the same volume.  
  • cp3iverson
    cp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    buck502000 said:
    I think all of these reissues are screwed.  BOB was the culprit- creating digital masters instead of keeping the Analog masters.  I.E. The Eddie quote about getting some bad advice early on.
    Crazy
  • drummerboy_73
    drummerboy_73 Las Vegas, NV Posts: 2,011
    Suzyntheq said:
    I used to listen to avocado. I still do,but I used to too.
    THIS.

    Also, once a guy showed me a picture of an avocado, and said "this is my avocado when it was younger."
    EVERY picture of your avocado is when it was younger! Let me see a picture of your avocado when it was older...
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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,916
    buck502000 said:
    I think all of these reissues are screwed.  BOB was the culprit- creating digital masters instead of keeping the Analog masters.  I.E. The Eddie quote about getting some bad advice early on.
    Assuming they had Analog masters?  It was in the early 2000's that I think recording to tape was phases out.   Maybe Avacado was recorded on digital?

    I'm also not sure I blame BoB. His albums mixed in the 90s sound pretty good.   Starting in the late 90s it seems more to do about the final mastering and cranking all the tracks up to 10, than it does the format it was recorded on, or how it was originally mixed.
  • pjpitt89
    pjpitt89 Posts: 1,875
    Just finished listening to my vinyl last night. I'll have to revisit my original soon, but I did notice plenty of changes. Some I liked, some not so much.

    Overall, I think it is an improvement, but it's a little choppy to me. The original was loud and muddy, but consistently loud and muddy. The remix does best with the midtempo and softer songs, as someone said previously. WWS, Severed Hand, couple others still are loud and tough to listen to. Army Reserve is an improvement, Marker is kinda as well. The bass is more upfront, but the guitars are more detailed in my opinion. I can hear parts I do not remember from the original. 

    Also, is the guitar part in the intro to Inside Job completely different, or was that just bad memory on my part?
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  • Hawk123
    Hawk123 Posts: 2,369
    pjpitt89 said:
    Just finished listening to my vinyl last night. I'll have to revisit my original soon, but I did notice plenty of changes. Some I liked, some not so much.

    Overall, I think it is an improvement, but it's a little choppy to me. The original was loud and muddy, but consistently loud and muddy. The remix does best with the midtempo and softer songs, as someone said previously. WWS, Severed Hand, couple others still are loud and tough to listen to. Army Reserve is an improvement, Marker is kinda as well. The bass is more upfront, but the guitars are more detailed in my opinion. I can hear parts I do not remember from the original. 

    Also, is the guitar part in the intro to Inside Job completely different, or was that just bad memory on my part?
    For inside job sounds like the same guitar part but dialed way back. In the original mix the guitar was front and center. I do find that the solo around 4:45 almost sounds like its in a different key. Either way, I'm liking the new mix overall.
  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,968
    Inside job sounded wrong to me. Choppy


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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,593
    How does Riot Act sound compared to the original?
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  • lastexitlondon
    lastexitlondon Posts: 14,968
    Similar to me
     I guess its been re mastered only
     But i don't hear as much bass somehow. Which i dislike


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  • BK5403
    BK5403 Posts: 50
    buck502000 said:
    I think all of these reissues are screwed.  BOB was the culprit- creating digital masters instead of keeping the Analog masters.  I.E. The Eddie quote about getting some bad advice early on.
    I have my beefs with BoB too, but just curious ... where did you get this info? PJs recording info is SCARCE. As is the provenance of their vinyl. Was it cut from digital files (if so, 16/44, 24/96, etc) or from master tapes? Can you link to anything about whether or not they recorded to tape or digital and for which albums? 
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  • alexross42
    alexross42 Posts: 377
    I've only listened to the ST remix via Spotify but I'm really enjoying it so far and think BO'B has done a great job - there's a lot more depth and presence throughout and the drums have definitely been raised in the mix, I'm hearing cymbal accents, tom hits, etc that I never noticed before.
    There are also some interesting guitar and vocal parts that are new/raised to the front (e.g. Ed's held note at the very end of WWS) but in some places I'm also noticing a sudden absence of guitar parts that were quite prominent in the previous mix, which in some cases seems an odd decision (Severed Hand springs to mind).

    Overall though I think it's breathed new life into the album and given it an edge/depth that was lacking before - I'll probably listen to this mix over the  original from now on.
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  • buck502000
    buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    This is a cool forum and this is an informative thread about the vinyl reissues.

    http://www.forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/new-pearl-jam-reissues-complete-studio-vinyl-box-coming.695630/

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