Wildfire(s) Out West

Gern Blansten

shecky said:

Facts are facts.
I don't know if you live in California or not, but I do. And I witness the incompetence of our government officials on a daily basis.
Currently, five people have needlessly died, and over 1,000 structures (primarily homes) have been destroyed due to this incompetence.
So I'm very sorry, but just because you begin a thread does not give you the authority to censor other members' opinions. Good evening.

LOL...so what would have stopped this? Why do they keep happening even under GOP governors? 

Poncier

Gern Blansten said:

shecky said:

Facts are facts.
I don't know if you live in California or not, but I do. And I witness the incompetence of our government officials on a daily basis.
Currently, five people have needlessly died, and over 1,000 structures (primarily homes) have been destroyed due to this incompetence.
So I'm very sorry, but just because you begin a thread does not give you the authority to censor other members' opinions. Good evening.

LOL...so what would have stopped this? 

Gern Blansten

lol...he'll say something about forest management but that will ignore the millions of dollars in cost that he doesn't want to pay via taxes

benjs

I do wonder what Trump will say when he takes office. “You know, the democrats started the fire, but once the fire starts, it’s very difficult - very difficult to put it out. Much like your grocery bills that will remain the same during my regime, I mean presidency. All democrats.”

benjs

As an aside, I’m so fucking tired of everything being relayed back to politics. Can people not just be decent and concerned for each other?

hunterh75

He couldn't do any worse than the current leadership in LA/ California.  Pitiful. My city's burning....better go to Ghana

Tim Simmons

I don’t think we’ll get further context or clarification from certain posters here, so I’ll post this.


https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/08/wildfire-threatens-karen-bass-extended-honeymoon-00197228

I’ve seen both far left and far right posting this (the former taking grievance over the police budget increasing and the latter attacking the democratic mayor over this despite being oblivious to the fact that their side continually advocates for lEsS gOvErNmEnT), so this is great context for the continuing misinformation. 

A real eye opener how social media has rotted brains on both sides. 

Gern Blansten

For those here that can't separate natural disasters from politics...

Gern Blansten

benjs said:

As an aside, I’m so fucking tired of everything being relayed back to politics. Can people not just be decent and concerned for each other?

not with trump as their cult leader...it's just going to be low level second grade bullshit for four years

Tim Simmons

It’s also important to remember, it’s not really about the details of the politics with these types posting this stuff, it’s about the revenge and the dunking and spite. 

benjs

Gern Blansten said:

benjs said:

As an aside, I’m so fucking tired of everything being relayed back to politics. Can people not just be decent and concerned for each other?

not with trump as their cult leader...it's just going to be low level second grade bullshit for four years

It was unfortunately a rhetorical question that we all knew the answer to lol.

Gern Blansten

my TikTok feed is full of magats flexing right now. There was some weird thing on the left similar to the "stay the course" bullshit from four years ago that suggested trump wouldn't make it due to election fraud or something. I don't think any of us radical communist lefties posted one fucking thing about that here. 

Regardless...they are all flexing right now and completely forgetting that they did the same shit x100 four years ago. Plus the Jan 6th attack on the capitol.

Lerxst1992

shecky said:

Hey @shecky I guess republicans are now smarter than AI. What a great party and president when you can reinvent the truth to fool Americans to vote for you!


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No, forest management alone is not enough to solve California's wildfires: 

• Climate change

  Wildfires are driven by climate and weather, and forest management can't address those factors. 

Ecosystem imbalance

• Decades of management practices, such as suppressing wildfires and expanding human development into wildlands, have created an imbalance between ecosystems and wildfires. 

Merkin Baller

Tim Simmons said:

I don’t think we’ll get further context or clarification from certain posters here, so I’ll post this.


https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/08/wildfire-threatens-karen-bass-extended-honeymoon-00197228

I’ve seen both far left and far right posting this (the former taking grievance over the police budget increasing and the latter attacking the democratic mayor over this despite being oblivious to the fact that their side continually advocates for lEsS gOvErNmEnT), so this is great context for the continuing misinformation. 

A real eye opener how social media has rotted brains on both sides. 

& it's going to get even worse.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/meta-ends-fact-checking-program-community-notes-x-rcna186468

Lerxst1992

benjs said:

As an aside, I’m so fucking tired of everything being relayed back to politics. Can people not just be decent and concerned for each other?

This is a political forum and a republican voter engaged this community with absurd accusations, and now it’s another both sides wrong problem?

 It’s tremendously sad watching the news from California, but if we can’t engage independents during a climate tragedy, when can we? 

We couldnt in NC, lost votes to those believing Biden spent the hurricane relief money on migrants and directing the hurricane towards republican voters, and as a result , we get more Trump and maybe Canada and Greenland.

It wasn’t even close to being discussed during the recent campaign, because republicans are the master of making something absurd appear true..as their economic and environmental policies are destroying the planet, into a “both sides wrong” argument and the gop wins and convinces the likely new Canada PM to start mining more of their dirtiest oil on earth for us.

Go ahead and vote out Trudeau, your economy is terrific and you couldn’t be helped by US, and drill more of that dirty oil. Great work from a country friendly to the earth!

Biden passed a historic renewable energy bill, and now as a result of republican lying his VP lost, and it will likely be canceled by the incoming administration. Good thing we can’t discuss this when it matters most. Don’t want to insult the voters. Let the next tragedy keep happening,

@shecky came on here making absurd political accusations about what causes wildfires and dems can’t even point out it’s absurd

Tim Simmons

Merkin Baller said:

Tim Simmons said:

I don’t think we’ll get further context or clarification from certain posters here, so I’ll post this.


https://www.politico.com/news/2025/01/08/wildfire-threatens-karen-bass-extended-honeymoon-00197228

I’ve seen both far left and far right posting this (the former taking grievance over the police budget increasing and the latter attacking the democratic mayor over this despite being oblivious to the fact that their side continually advocates for lEsS gOvErNmEnT), so this is great context for the continuing misinformation. 

A real eye opener how social media has rotted brains on both sides. 

& it's going to get even worse.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/meta-ends-fact-checking-program-community-notes-x-rcna186468

I mean, we should be able to have a little bit of genocide…

mickeyrat

also available on android

https://www.threads.net/@iampoliticsgirl/post/DEnD9eUPQSa?xmt=AQGzBqJ0vvowJ3ZeN63UHwy1BphaVVdrADlcNwSV0w0NIQ

mickeyrat

and the insane narrative that this was the fault of newsome et al by some quarters is fiction within fiction from the minds of the grifter in chief....

https://www.threads.net/@vincedmonroy/post/DEl-UvKRMiw?xmt=AQGzmjryea8tZ_8tnbXBwnhn3KgM8Kib9ydaKg2wINHzUw

Gern Blansten

mickeyrat said:

and the insane narrative that this was the fault of newsome et al by some quarters is fiction within fiction from the minds of the grifter in chief....

https://www.threads.net/@vincedmonroy/post/DEl-UvKRMiw?xmt=AQGzmjryea8tZ_8tnbXBwnhn3KgM8Kib9ydaKg2wINHzUw

mickeyrat said:

and the insane narrative that this was the fault of newsome et al by some quarters is fiction within fiction from the minds of the grifter in chief....

https://www.threads.net/@vincedmonroy/post/DEl-UvKRMiw?xmt=AQGzmjryea8tZ_8tnbXBwnhn3KgM8Kib9ydaKg2wINHzUw

this actually proves trump's point about windmill farms...just dangerous

Choccoloccotide

Was it climate change that gave firefighting equipment away to Ukraine? Did climate change not fill the reservoirs? What about diverting water to save a fish called smelt? Did climate change terminate good firefighters for not getting the jab? Did climate change cut $20 million from the firefighting budget? The list could go on and on, but this definitely has nothing to do with climate change.

mickeyrat

Choccoloccotide said:

Was it climate change that gave firefighting equipment away to Ukraine? Did climate change not fill the reservoirs? What about diverting water to save a fish called smelt? Did climate change terminate good firefighters for not getting the jab? Did climate change cut $20 million from the firefighting budget? The list could go on and on, but this definitely has nothing to do with climate change.

source citations from the assertions you are repeating.

Merkin Baller

mickeyrat said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Was it climate change that gave firefighting equipment away to Ukraine? Did climate change not fill the reservoirs? What about diverting water to save a fish called smelt? Did climate change terminate good firefighters for not getting the jab? Did climate change cut $20 million from the firefighting budget? The list could go on and on, but this definitely has nothing to do with climate change.

source citations from the assertions you are repeating.

lol 

Kat

mickeyrat said:

and the insane narrative that this was the fault of newsome et al by some quarters is fiction within fiction from the minds of the grifter in chief....

https://www.threads.net/@vincedmonroy/post/DEl-UvKRMiw?xmt=AQGzmjryea8tZ_8tnbXBwnhn3KgM8Kib9ydaKg2wINHzUw

We will be seeing constant smears on Governor Newsom because of the coming 2028 elections; they believe he'll be running. It's pathetic that the tragedy is being used politically while people are suffering and dying. We'll be able to offer financial support to help people get back on their feet now and after this is over. 

Let's remember how it's supposed to be, Americans helping each other during times of trouble. 

Tim Simmons

Choccoloccotide said:

a fish called smelt

My favorite Python adjacent film.

Tim Simmons

Lerxst1992 said:

benjs said:

As an aside, I’m so fucking tired of everything being relayed back to politics. Can people not just be decent and concerned for each other?

This is a political forum and a republican voter engaged this community with absurd accusations, and now it’s another both sides wrong problem?

 It’s tremendously sad watching the news from California, but if we can’t engage independents during a climate tragedy, when can we? 

We couldnt in NC, lost votes to those believing Biden spent the hurricane relief money on migrants and directing the hurricane towards republican voters, and as a result , we get more Trump and maybe Canada and Greenland.

It wasn’t even close to being discussed during the recent campaign, because republicans are the master of making something absurd appear true..as their economic and environmental policies are destroying the planet, into a “both sides wrong” argument and the gop wins and convinces the likely new Canada PM to start mining more of their dirtiest oil on earth for us.

Go ahead and vote out Trudeau, your economy is terrific and you couldn’t be helped by US, and drill more of that dirty oil. Great work from a country friendly to the earth!

Biden passed a historic renewable energy bill, and now as a result of republican lying his VP lost, and it will likely be canceled by the incoming administration. Good thing we can’t discuss this when it matters most. Don’t want to insult the voters. Let the next tragedy keep happening,

@shecky came on here making absurd political accusations about what causes wildfires and dems can’t even point out it’s absurd

I think the real concern is that it immediately went to 10 and not a soft ratcheting up, despite still being in the immediacy of this the tragedy. There should definitely be pushback. You are correct, but also, people are tired too. And having it come from unserious, intellectually dishonest sources at the start of whats gonna be 4 years of this shit, I get how its exhausting.

Gern Blansten

Choccoloccotide said:

Was it climate change that gave firefighting equipment away to Ukraine? Did climate change not fill the reservoirs? What about diverting water to save a fish called smelt? Did climate change terminate good firefighters for not getting the jab? Did climate change cut $20 million from the firefighting budget? The list could go on and on, but this definitely has nothing to do with climate change.

The reservoirs were full. Please educate yourself. It makes you look extremely ignorant to post stuff like this.

Merkin Baller

Tim Simmons said:

Choccoloccotide said:

a fish called smelt

My favorite Python adjacent film.

K-K-K-KEN'S GONNA K-K-K-KILL ME 

Spiritual_Chaos

Gern Blansten

Spiritual_Chaos said:

yeah it's hard to feel bad for that piece of shit

Kat

Timeout while people get their heads in a better place. We're in the middle of a tragedy. Take the hate somewhere else.


LA Times

California

Tiny burning embers flew miles, causing L.A. fire destruction on historic scale

By Grace Toohey, Alex Wigglesworth and Rong-Gong Lin II

Jan. 9, 2025 3 AM PT

Santa Ana winds are infamous for driving fast-moving fires in Southern California, pushing embers well beyond a blaze’s boundary and into neighborhoods and across major roadways.

But officials say the winds that fueled devastating fires in three parts of Los Angeles County were much more erratic and unpredictable than a typical dry offshore wind pattern — and struck areas unaccustomed to such events.

Altadena, CA - January 08: Fire fighters work a fire during Eaton fire on Wednesday, Jan. 8, 2025 in Altadena, CA. (Jason Armond / Los Angeles Times)

California

Firefighters continue to battle blazes as L.A. braces for more days of fire weather

The life-threatening windstorm that prompted several days of dire warnings exploded into a crisis even worse than firefighters predicted, with embers flying an estimated two to three miles ahead of the established fire and in every direction.

VIDEO | 02:51

How untypical Santa Ana winds have made firefighting so much harder

The extraordinary winds have created extreme fire behavior almost impossible to anticipate, confounding efforts to establish secure containment lines or utilize firefighting aircraft. They have also led to major structure losses, widespread evacuations and ongoing destruction.

“Normally, under a sustained Santa Ana condition, we have fires that are long and narrow,” said Anthony Marrone, Los Angeles County Fire Chief. “However, with these erratic winds and this PDS, or particularly dangerous situation, the winds were constantly changing.”

On top of typical long-range spotting during such an offshore wind event, ember casts were flying in several directions, sometimes switching course throughout the day, Marrone said. As much as the major wildfires were spreading seaward — as is typical during Santa Anas — the blazes were growing laterally, he said.

“This was just different,” Marrone said.

The Palisades fire, which sparked early Tuesday, has destroyed more than 1,000 structures in Pacific Palisades and has surged to more than 15,000 acres as of Wednesday afternoon. The Eaton fire sparked later in the day, but spread rapidly through Altadena and Pasadena, destroying at least 100 buildings as it exploded to over 10,000 acres. At least five people have died in the Eaton fire.

ALTADENA, CA - JANUARY 8, 2025:A wind gust sends burning embers into the air fueling the Eaton after midnight as multiple homes burn on Wooldlyn Road on January 8, 2025 in Altadena, California. (Gina Ferazzi / Los Angeles Times)

California

One of the most destructive firestorms in L.A. history kills 5, burns 2,000 buildings

Jan. 9, 2025

In Sylmar, the Hurst fire has grown to 700 acres.

More than 65,000 people are under evacuation orders because of the three fires, and thousands more have been warned they could be next. All three fires have no containment, per fire officials.

“This wildfire was the most chaotic winds I’ve experienced in 20 years,” Capt. Erik Scott, a Los Angeles Fire Department spokesperson, said of the Palisades blaze. He said the 2018 Woolsey fire — which burned almost 100,000 acres in southeast Ventura County and Malibu, destroying 1,500 structures and killing three people — was the only fire in Southern California that saw winds anywhere close to those this week.

continued at
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-09/burning-embers-flews-miles-brought-mass-destruction-across-l-a-county