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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 17,526
    i enjoyed the grant doc. he had a farm about 20 miles from me. it is open to the public. Grant's Farm.  Given that MO on the whole is a conservative state, Grant is loved here. 

    Grant has the reputation of being a drunk. Which is unfair. They said he went on a few benders, like the siege at vicksburg, but it was out of boredom when nothing was going on.

    i think sherman deserves some of the credit for grant's success. if grant did not trust him enough to make the march to the sea, he may not have given the order to make that march. who knows what would have happened then, or how things would have turned out. atlanta was a major industrial hub for the southern war effort. taking atlanta was a crucial success for the north.


    that doc kind of blew the old "war of northern aggression" theme out of the water. i never got that. the south took up arms against the north and fired the first shots at fort sumter. sounds like the south were the aggressors to me. also, the war was absolutely about slavery.

    i visited shiloh when i was 12 or 13. i think i was too young to appreciate it back then. would love to visit now. we did the 21 mile march from corinth, mississippi to shiloh. it took weeks for my blisters to heal, haha.

    sherman is buried about 10 minutes from my home. i have been to visit him a few times. his wife and very young son are buried there as well. dred scott is also buried there. 
    I've been to Grant's farm.  My brother lives in St. Charles so it was close.  I think the Busch family owned it at the time, might still, and the Clydesdale were kept there.  It was a really nice farm and my son was about 3 so it was great.  
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 7,653
    But who's buried in Grant's Tomb?
  • JW269453JW269453 Lubbock, TXPosts: 501
    But who's buried in Grant's Tomb?
    I bet Geraldo would host a live television event where we could all find out.
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    mrussel1 said:
    i enjoyed the grant doc. he had a farm about 20 miles from me. it is open to the public. Grant's Farm.  Given that MO on the whole is a conservative state, Grant is loved here. 

    Grant has the reputation of being a drunk. Which is unfair. They said he went on a few benders, like the siege at vicksburg, but it was out of boredom when nothing was going on.

    i think sherman deserves some of the credit for grant's success. if grant did not trust him enough to make the march to the sea, he may not have given the order to make that march. who knows what would have happened then, or how things would have turned out. atlanta was a major industrial hub for the southern war effort. taking atlanta was a crucial success for the north.


    that doc kind of blew the old "war of northern aggression" theme out of the water. i never got that. the south took up arms against the north and fired the first shots at fort sumter. sounds like the south were the aggressors to me. also, the war was absolutely about slavery.

    i visited shiloh when i was 12 or 13. i think i was too young to appreciate it back then. would love to visit now. we did the 21 mile march from corinth, mississippi to shiloh. it took weeks for my blisters to heal, haha.

    sherman is buried about 10 minutes from my home. i have been to visit him a few times. his wife and very young son are buried there as well. dred scott is also buried there. 
    I've been to Grant's farm.  My brother lives in St. Charles so it was close.  I think the Busch family owned it at the time, might still, and the Clydesdale were kept there.  It was a really nice farm and my son was about 3 so it was great.  
    small world. st charles is right across the missouri river from me. like 8 minutes from here. 

    they did own it for a long time. i thought they sold it at some point but i could be wrong. i want to say when inbev bought anheuser busch grant's farm was in the mix somehow.

    the busch family is also buried at Calvary Cemetery not too far from sherman.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 7,653
    "There is an overt effort here to erase white history. That's what they're looking on doing," Chase said

    Virginia GOP calls own lawmaker's comments on Confederate statues 'idiotic' NBC News: Virginia GOP calls own lawmaker's comments on Confederate statues 'idiotic'. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/virginia-gop-calls-own-lawmaker-s-comments-confederate-statues-idiotic-n1225806
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,066
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 23,271
    Yep Republicans are thee worst humans alive it’s not even a debate , they are going to do everything possible to make it impossible for people to vote! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 23,271
    Somehow the Democrats need to get ahead of this and start fucking fighting against these state’s that are not working to make sure everyone gets to vote! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 7,653
    Somehow the Democrats need to get ahead of this and start fucking fighting against these state’s that are not working to make sure everyone gets to vote! 
    Want to piss off the republicans?

    Get out and #FUCKINGVOTE in November
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,066
    Ridiculous. The pre-season fix is on.

    Georgia’s long lines

    Chloe Mexile Benard got in line to vote in the Atlanta suburbs at 7:30 a.m. yesterday, according to The Guardian. She did not vote until almost noon.
    Marneia Mitchell, a stationery designer in Atlanta, was starting her fourth hour of waiting in line when she told The Times, “It’s despicable.”
    And Greg Bluestein, a politics reporter at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, called yesterday’s primary elections in Georgia “like nothing we’ve ever experienced.”
    In several counties around Atlanta, voting machines malfunctioned, and thin staffing because of the coronavirus left fewer poll workers to deal with it. As a result, many Georgia residents had to choose between enduring hours in line or losing their right to vote.
    Yesterday’s problems were worse than usual — partly a result of recently bought voting machines — but were also part of a much larger issue. In no other affluent country do citizens regularly have as hard a time voting as they do in the United States. Most of our elections are held on workdays, and a shortage of election equipment and workers often forces people to wait in long lines.
    The waits tend to be longest for African-Americans. One study of the 2016 election, using smartphone location data, found that voters in black neighborhoods waited 29 percent longer on average than voters in white neighborhoods.
    And as was the case in the 1950s and ’60s, Georgia has again become a battleground over voting rights. In the 2018 midterms, the state had the country’s longest waiting times, according to a Bipartisan Policy Center analysis. Republicans in Georgia, who control most of the state government, have frequently opposed efforts by Democrats to make voting more accessible.
    It was not fully clear why yesterday’s lines were worse in the Atlanta area than elsewhere in Georgia. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, blamed local officials — who are heavily Democratic — and said they had not properly trained election workers. Local officials, in turn, blamed him, saying he had not provided adequate training resources. Virus fears among election workers and high turnout, after George Floyd’s killing, may also have played a role.
    “No corner of the state had a fully functional voting experience,” The Times reported. Michael McDonald, an elections expert at the University of Florida, wrote: “I have never seen the scale of election failures happening in Georgia today. This does not bode well for November.”

    Good luck getting rid of Team Trump Treason. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 18,128
    Ridiculous. The pre-season fix is on.

    Georgia’s long lines

    Chloe Mexile Benard got in line to vote in the Atlanta suburbs at 7:30 a.m. yesterday, according to The Guardian. She did not vote until almost noon.
    Marneia Mitchell, a stationery designer in Atlanta, was starting her fourth hour of waiting in line when she told The Times, “It’s despicable.”
    And Greg Bluestein, a politics reporter at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, called yesterday’s primary elections in Georgia “like nothing we’ve ever experienced.”
    In several counties around Atlanta, voting machines malfunctioned, and thin staffing because of the coronavirus left fewer poll workers to deal with it. As a result, many Georgia residents had to choose between enduring hours in line or losing their right to vote.
    Yesterday’s problems were worse than usual — partly a result of recently bought voting machines — but were also part of a much larger issue. In no other affluent country do citizens regularly have as hard a time voting as they do in the United States. Most of our elections are held on workdays, and a shortage of election equipment and workers often forces people to wait in long lines.
    The waits tend to be longest for African-Americans. One study of the 2016 election, using smartphone location data, found that voters in black neighborhoods waited 29 percent longer on average than voters in white neighborhoods.
    And as was the case in the 1950s and ’60s, Georgia has again become a battleground over voting rights. In the 2018 midterms, the state had the country’s longest waiting times, according to a Bipartisan Policy Center analysis. Republicans in Georgia, who control most of the state government, have frequently opposed efforts by Democrats to make voting more accessible.
    It was not fully clear why yesterday’s lines were worse in the Atlanta area than elsewhere in Georgia. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, blamed local officials — who are heavily Democratic — and said they had not properly trained election workers. Local officials, in turn, blamed him, saying he had not provided adequate training resources. Virus fears among election workers and high turnout, after George Floyd’s killing, may also have played a role.
    “No corner of the state had a fully functional voting experience,” The Times reported. Michael McDonald, an elections expert at the University of Florida, wrote: “I have never seen the scale of election failures happening in Georgia today. This does not bode well for November.”

    Good luck getting rid of Team Trump Treason. 
    the cherry on top was the Gs Sec of State blaming the local boards for the fuck ups
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,066
    mickeyrat said:
    Ridiculous. The pre-season fix is on.

    Georgia’s long lines

    Chloe Mexile Benard got in line to vote in the Atlanta suburbs at 7:30 a.m. yesterday, according to The Guardian. She did not vote until almost noon.
    Marneia Mitchell, a stationery designer in Atlanta, was starting her fourth hour of waiting in line when she told The Times, “It’s despicable.”
    And Greg Bluestein, a politics reporter at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, called yesterday’s primary elections in Georgia “like nothing we’ve ever experienced.”
    In several counties around Atlanta, voting machines malfunctioned, and thin staffing because of the coronavirus left fewer poll workers to deal with it. As a result, many Georgia residents had to choose between enduring hours in line or losing their right to vote.
    Yesterday’s problems were worse than usual — partly a result of recently bought voting machines — but were also part of a much larger issue. In no other affluent country do citizens regularly have as hard a time voting as they do in the United States. Most of our elections are held on workdays, and a shortage of election equipment and workers often forces people to wait in long lines.
    The waits tend to be longest for African-Americans. One study of the 2016 election, using smartphone location data, found that voters in black neighborhoods waited 29 percent longer on average than voters in white neighborhoods.
    And as was the case in the 1950s and ’60s, Georgia has again become a battleground over voting rights. In the 2018 midterms, the state had the country’s longest waiting times, according to a Bipartisan Policy Center analysis. Republicans in Georgia, who control most of the state government, have frequently opposed efforts by Democrats to make voting more accessible.
    It was not fully clear why yesterday’s lines were worse in the Atlanta area than elsewhere in Georgia. Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, blamed local officials — who are heavily Democratic — and said they had not properly trained election workers. Local officials, in turn, blamed him, saying he had not provided adequate training resources. Virus fears among election workers and high turnout, after George Floyd’s killing, may also have played a role.
    “No corner of the state had a fully functional voting experience,” The Times reported. Michael McDonald, an elections expert at the University of Florida, wrote: “I have never seen the scale of election failures happening in Georgia today. This does not bode well for November.”

    Good luck getting rid of Team Trump Treason. 
    the cherry on top was the Gs Sec of State blaming the local boards for the fuck ups
    That’s their playbook. It’s not like we haven’t seen this play before.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 18,128
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 23,271
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  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,459
    mrussel1 said:
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    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
    He lives not far from the Robert Lee Memorial House. So maybe his section of town is still "South." I dunno. It's all pretty weird down there. But interesting. I've visited most of the battle sites. Even hit a joint where Stonewall Jackson was shot. 
    I actually lived 10 minutes from Chancellorsville for a few  years, when I was commuting between DC and Richmond.  It's a crazy that they fought that battle along with the Wilderness in those woods.  To this day, it's thick and practically impassable, as you probably remember.  I would not call it 'weird' though!  I grew up in Cleveland so I actually love being so close to so many Civil War and Revolutionary sites.  
    I think I have pictures from the Chancellorsville battle site, but I could have my sites confused. Any of these look familiar?


    I think your photos are from Caroline county, 30 min south of the battle.  This is where Jackson died.  I don't recall ever going there, but htat looks like the house where Jackson died.  The actual battle was in Spotsylvania County and it was total woods, and still is today since it is preserved as a historical site.  
    No this isn't the house where Jackson died. This house was owned by an old woman and it was destroyed by mistake (and rebuilt for tourism reasons). The woman, her daughter, and her slave were killed. I wish I remembered where exactly it was. All I know is the two armies kinda ran into each other on her property, and a battle broke out. 
    I see.  Hard to say, that doesn't look familiar.  I do know Chance and the Wilderness are right on top of each other, both were horrible battles and both were heavily wooded.  So that could be in the same area, but just in a clearing.  
    Yeah I wish I remembered. It's not by Wildnerness. For reference since you probably know the area well, if you leave Arlington (where my friend lives), I think it took a little over an hour to get to Wilderness. Wherever this place is in my pictures, it was only about 20 minutes from Arlington. It's a nice place actually. I'd recommend visiting it...if I knew exactly where the hell it was. 

    Edit: I just sent the picture to my friend. He said it's Manassas. 
    Ah. Manassas... or in the North we'd call it Bull Run.  It's exactly 20 min south right by the monstrous IKEA!
    I live in Manassas. It's not right by the IKEA. That's Woodbridge.

    And while it's true the rest of NOVA is solidly blue, the city of Manassas is nothing like the rest of NOVA. The county where Manassas is the seat, Prince William, just turned blue for the first time ever in the 2019 local election, and the chairwoman is not winning friends and influencing people with her slash and burn style of governing. I expect a backlash in the next local election. A guy I dated in high school ran and lost in the Republican primary for her job. He ran as the moderate against another guy who aligned himself with outgoing chair Corey Stewart, one of the loudest supporters of Trump's anti immigration policies and one of the first in the nation to institute a local agreement with ICE, back around 2004, I think it was. My current district supervisor is a Latina Republican, first generation American, a former sheriff's deputy married to a military man. She also supports ICE deportations for people pulled over for traffic stops, etc.

    There is a terrible divide between cultural groups here -- Confederate flag flying mask-haters, an African American community many of whom come from families who have also been around forever, a tsunami wave of both documented and undocumented immigrants from Central America. There's a growing Muslim population who have moved in after getting a mosque built in the more rural part of the county, which the white people fought tooth and nail but lost because the Muslims had a lot of money to offer. Mix in a few millenial hipster families and a few more military families who can't afford Fairfax County housing. For them, the City Council of Manassas has recently gentrified the quaint little town, but we called it Manass-hole when I was growing up because it was a dump in the 80s.  

    To illustrate this recent divide and cultural upheaval, I graduated in 88 from a practically all white Stonewall Jackson High School. Our football team defensive line called themselves The Wall. We were the Raiders. Yes, we learned about the War of Northern Aggression. Denver Riggleman, the libertarian House Rep who lost the 5th Congressional District Republican primary this past month, graduated in my class, another fun fact.  Now the school is practically all Spanish, Title I, and most of the middle class white families either moved further west or send their kids to private school. My own brother moved to Culpeper last year because, in his words, "I'm tired of looking at brown people every where I go." He lived behind Stonewall Jackson Middle School and sold the house to a Spanish family. Of course a name change for both schools is now being discussed, as it is everywhere, and I predict it will probably happen as a symbolic gesture.

    They can change the names all they want, but the whacko political culture of Manassas overall is not going to change in my lifetime. It has a lovely battlefield, sure, great for hiking, one of the few public green spaces left in the county. But I have to maintain a tremendous sense of humor to live here. It is very difficult to navigate the changes and the resistance to the changes without losing my mind on a fairly regular basis. 
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, ColoradoPosts: 7,653
    mickeyrat said:
    4 years ago I tried warning people especially the Bernie bros that this would happen. That no matter what happened for the next 4 or 8 years his legacy would last for decades because of all.the conservative judicial appointments that would occur on his watch. From SCOTUS on down to the lowliest appeals court.

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    mickeyrat said:
    4 years ago I tried warning people especially the Bernie bros that this would happen. That no matter what happened for the next 4 or 8 years his legacy would last for decades because of all.the conservative judicial appointments that would occur on his watch. From SCOTUS on down to the lowliest appeals court.

    SAD
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 2,422
    Here's a story about GW Bush officials that are going to publicly back Biden.


    I would love to see a little less unity in the GOP. 

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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,303
    OnWis97 said:
    Here's a story about GW Bush officials that are going to publicly back Biden.


    I would love to see a little less unity in the GOP.  
    Bush HIMSELF needs to back Biden. It's neck and neck in Texas right now and I've been saying Biden's going to win Texas. An endorsement from Bush could put him over the top there. And it also could have a good nationwide influence on normal Republicans. The Trump fans are going to be Trump fans and will vote for him. But many Republicans seem to want off the ship. 
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    (Gosh darnit; I still can't post while quoting...or at least while quoting Ledbetterman)

    I'm curious as to what most Republicans think of Bush at this point.  His 18-month post-9/11 honeymoon is long over. Since most conservative/Republican voices I stumble upon are pro-Trump, I feel like anyone that does not kiss Trump's feet are dismissed as RINOs.  That said, I know that the loudest voices in America are those of the hard core Trumpers. So when it feels to me like Republicans now hate, say, Mitt Romney, maybe it's just the loud Trump wing of the party.

    Maybe someone like Bush could move the needle with enough non-MAGA-hat owners that just vote Republican all the time and aren't necessarily cognizant of how dangerous this administration is.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,303
    OnWis97 said:
    (Gosh darnit; I still can't post while quoting...or at least while quoting Ledbetterman)

    I'm curious as to what most Republicans think of Bush at this point.  His 18-month post-9/11 honeymoon is long over. Since most conservative/Republican voices I stumble upon are pro-Trump, I feel like anyone that does not kiss Trump's feet are dismissed as RINOs.  That said, I know that the loudest voices in America are those of the hard core Trumpers. So when it feels to me like Republicans now hate, say, Mitt Romney, maybe it's just the loud Trump wing of the party.

    Maybe someone like Bush could move the needle with enough non-MAGA-hat owners that just vote Republican all the time and aren't necessarily cognizant of how dangerous this administration is.
    You using mobile? It seems like this site doesn't work nearly as good on a phone as it does on a desktop.

    I'm not sure what they think about Bush. But if nothing else, just by comparison, he has to seem good to them compared to Trump. Sure the Trump-lovers would begin making anti-Bush memes or something if he endorsed Biden. But I think your typical Republican can at least respect that Bush is an ACTUAL Republican (unlike Trump) that does have the party's (and country's) best interest in mind. We all know Bush's faults. We don't have to rehash the Iraq War. But at least he's a gentleman and a statesman. That seems like a low-bar for a president, but after Trump, something so simple might resonate with people. 
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    This is what Bush repubs want out and off from. Watch the two clips of Team Trump Treason answer Hannity’s softball questions with complete non-answers. How can someone who is running for POTUS be unable to articulate their agenda?

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 17,526
    OnWis97 said:
    (Gosh darnit; I still can't post while quoting...or at least while quoting Ledbetterman)

    I'm curious as to what most Republicans think of Bush at this point.  His 18-month post-9/11 honeymoon is long over. Since most conservative/Republican voices I stumble upon are pro-Trump, I feel like anyone that does not kiss Trump's feet are dismissed as RINOs.  That said, I know that the loudest voices in America are those of the hard core Trumpers. So when it feels to me like Republicans now hate, say, Mitt Romney, maybe it's just the loud Trump wing of the party.

    Maybe someone like Bush could move the needle with enough non-MAGA-hat owners that just vote Republican all the time and aren't necessarily cognizant of how dangerous this administration is.
    Interesting point.  I think Trump has been purposeful in his condemnation of the Bush's, particularly early on as he wanted to create a wall around him, with no link to previous administrations.  It's how he can do what he want without damaging the base, as he's already discredited them early on.  I agree that it would show high integrity for Bush to do such a thing, and I wouldn't put it past him.  But I don't know how many votes it moves at this point. 
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