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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 4,157
    If I lived in Kentucky, I'd be looking for a new Senator.




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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 10,145
    Kat said:
    If I lived in Kentucky, I'd be looking for a new Senator.




    beautiful...he's a piece of shit
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,129
    Kat said:
    If I lived in Kentucky, I'd be looking for a new Senator.




    beautiful...he's a piece of shit
    A Russian asset, compromised piece of shit.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 2,460
    Without looking I think the name of Moscow Mitch's opponent is Amy McGrath.  I would not bet a lot of money on that.  And that's what I know about her...I wanna say she was in the Air Force.  Her positions?  I don't know anything.  And I intend to donate out-of-state for the first time ever.  I'm trying to help save Mitch from being remembered as the key architect of an authoritarian state. If he and Trump win and the GOP keeps the Senate, that's his destiny.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,129
    I look forward to winning the senate and picking up the White House and more seats in the House. A soulless party bereft of leadership.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 24,129
    There may very well be a sweet baby jeebus!

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    Buh fucking bye, bye.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 18,165
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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 17,207
    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 18,165
    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
      that'sfuckin great.....
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 17,626
    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,349
    edited June 3
    mrussel1 said:
    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 17,626
    mrussel1 said:
    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,349
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
    He lives not far from the Robert Lee Memorial House. So maybe his section of town is still "South." I dunno. It's all pretty weird down there. But interesting. I've visited most of the battle sites. Even hit a joint where Stonewall Jackson was shot. 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 17,626
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
    He lives not far from the Robert Lee Memorial House. So maybe his section of town is still "South." I dunno. It's all pretty weird down there. But interesting. I've visited most of the battle sites. Even hit a joint where Stonewall Jackson was shot. 
    I actually lived 10 minutes from Chancellorsville for a few  years, when I was commuting between DC and Richmond.  It's a crazy that they fought that battle along with the Wilderness in those woods.  To this day, it's thick and practically impassable, as you probably remember.  I would not call it 'weird' though!  I grew up in Cleveland so I actually love being so close to so many Civil War and Revolutionary sites.  
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,349
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
    He lives not far from the Robert Lee Memorial House. So maybe his section of town is still "South." I dunno. It's all pretty weird down there. But interesting. I've visited most of the battle sites. Even hit a joint where Stonewall Jackson was shot. 
    I actually lived 10 minutes from Chancellorsville for a few  years, when I was commuting between DC and Richmond.  It's a crazy that they fought that battle along with the Wilderness in those woods.  To this day, it's thick and practically impassable, as you probably remember.  I would not call it 'weird' though!  I grew up in Cleveland so I actually love being so close to so many Civil War and Revolutionary sites.  
    I think I have pictures from the Chancellorsville battle site, but I could have my sites confused. Any of these look familiar?


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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 10,145
    mrussel1 said:
    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    I watched it.  I thought it was great.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 17,626
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
    He lives not far from the Robert Lee Memorial House. So maybe his section of town is still "South." I dunno. It's all pretty weird down there. But interesting. I've visited most of the battle sites. Even hit a joint where Stonewall Jackson was shot. 
    I actually lived 10 minutes from Chancellorsville for a few  years, when I was commuting between DC and Richmond.  It's a crazy that they fought that battle along with the Wilderness in those woods.  To this day, it's thick and practically impassable, as you probably remember.  I would not call it 'weird' though!  I grew up in Cleveland so I actually love being so close to so many Civil War and Revolutionary sites.  
    I think I have pictures from the Chancellorsville battle site, but I could have my sites confused. Any of these look familiar?


    I think your photos are from Caroline county, 30 min south of the battle.  This is where Jackson died.  I don't recall ever going there, but htat looks like the house where Jackson died.  The actual battle was in Spotsylvania County and it was total woods, and still is today since it is preserved as a historical site.  
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,349
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
    He lives not far from the Robert Lee Memorial House. So maybe his section of town is still "South." I dunno. It's all pretty weird down there. But interesting. I've visited most of the battle sites. Even hit a joint where Stonewall Jackson was shot. 
    I actually lived 10 minutes from Chancellorsville for a few  years, when I was commuting between DC and Richmond.  It's a crazy that they fought that battle along with the Wilderness in those woods.  To this day, it's thick and practically impassable, as you probably remember.  I would not call it 'weird' though!  I grew up in Cleveland so I actually love being so close to so many Civil War and Revolutionary sites.  
    I think I have pictures from the Chancellorsville battle site, but I could have my sites confused. Any of these look familiar?


    I think your photos are from Caroline county, 30 min south of the battle.  This is where Jackson died.  I don't recall ever going there, but htat looks like the house where Jackson died.  The actual battle was in Spotsylvania County and it was total woods, and still is today since it is preserved as a historical site.  
    No this isn't the house where Jackson died. This house was owned by an old woman and it was destroyed by mistake (and rebuilt for tourism reasons). The woman, her daughter, and her slave were killed. I wish I remembered where exactly it was. All I know is the two armies kinda ran into each other on her property, and a battle broke out. 
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    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
    He lives not far from the Robert Lee Memorial House. So maybe his section of town is still "South." I dunno. It's all pretty weird down there. But interesting. I've visited most of the battle sites. Even hit a joint where Stonewall Jackson was shot. 
    I actually lived 10 minutes from Chancellorsville for a few  years, when I was commuting between DC and Richmond.  It's a crazy that they fought that battle along with the Wilderness in those woods.  To this day, it's thick and practically impassable, as you probably remember.  I would not call it 'weird' though!  I grew up in Cleveland so I actually love being so close to so many Civil War and Revolutionary sites.  
    I think I have pictures from the Chancellorsville battle site, but I could have my sites confused. Any of these look familiar?


    I think your photos are from Caroline county, 30 min south of the battle.  This is where Jackson died.  I don't recall ever going there, but htat looks like the house where Jackson died.  The actual battle was in Spotsylvania County and it was total woods, and still is today since it is preserved as a historical site.  
    No this isn't the house where Jackson died. This house was owned by an old woman and it was destroyed by mistake (and rebuilt for tourism reasons). The woman, her daughter, and her slave were killed. I wish I remembered where exactly it was. All I know is the two armies kinda ran into each other on her property, and a battle broke out. 
    I see.  Hard to say, that doesn't look familiar.  I do know Chance and the Wilderness are right on top of each other, both were horrible battles and both were heavily wooded.  So that could be in the same area, but just in a clearing.  
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    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
    He lives not far from the Robert Lee Memorial House. So maybe his section of town is still "South." I dunno. It's all pretty weird down there. But interesting. I've visited most of the battle sites. Even hit a joint where Stonewall Jackson was shot. 
    I actually lived 10 minutes from Chancellorsville for a few  years, when I was commuting between DC and Richmond.  It's a crazy that they fought that battle along with the Wilderness in those woods.  To this day, it's thick and practically impassable, as you probably remember.  I would not call it 'weird' though!  I grew up in Cleveland so I actually love being so close to so many Civil War and Revolutionary sites.  
    I think I have pictures from the Chancellorsville battle site, but I could have my sites confused. Any of these look familiar?


    I think your photos are from Caroline county, 30 min south of the battle.  This is where Jackson died.  I don't recall ever going there, but htat looks like the house where Jackson died.  The actual battle was in Spotsylvania County and it was total woods, and still is today since it is preserved as a historical site.  
    No this isn't the house where Jackson died. This house was owned by an old woman and it was destroyed by mistake (and rebuilt for tourism reasons). The woman, her daughter, and her slave were killed. I wish I remembered where exactly it was. All I know is the two armies kinda ran into each other on her property, and a battle broke out. 
    I see.  Hard to say, that doesn't look familiar.  I do know Chance and the Wilderness are right on top of each other, both were horrible battles and both were heavily wooded.  So that could be in the same area, but just in a clearing.  
    Yeah I wish I remembered. It's not by Wildnerness. For reference since you probably know the area well, if you leave Arlington (where my friend lives), I think it took a little over an hour to get to Wilderness. Wherever this place is in my pictures, it was only about 20 minutes from Arlington. It's a nice place actually. I'd recommend visiting it...if I knew exactly where the hell it was. 

    Edit: I just sent the picture to my friend. He said it's Manassas. 
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    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
    He lives not far from the Robert Lee Memorial House. So maybe his section of town is still "South." I dunno. It's all pretty weird down there. But interesting. I've visited most of the battle sites. Even hit a joint where Stonewall Jackson was shot. 
    I actually lived 10 minutes from Chancellorsville for a few  years, when I was commuting between DC and Richmond.  It's a crazy that they fought that battle along with the Wilderness in those woods.  To this day, it's thick and practically impassable, as you probably remember.  I would not call it 'weird' though!  I grew up in Cleveland so I actually love being so close to so many Civil War and Revolutionary sites.  
    I think I have pictures from the Chancellorsville battle site, but I could have my sites confused. Any of these look familiar?


    I think your photos are from Caroline county, 30 min south of the battle.  This is where Jackson died.  I don't recall ever going there, but htat looks like the house where Jackson died.  The actual battle was in Spotsylvania County and it was total woods, and still is today since it is preserved as a historical site.  
    No this isn't the house where Jackson died. This house was owned by an old woman and it was destroyed by mistake (and rebuilt for tourism reasons). The woman, her daughter, and her slave were killed. I wish I remembered where exactly it was. All I know is the two armies kinda ran into each other on her property, and a battle broke out. 
    I see.  Hard to say, that doesn't look familiar.  I do know Chance and the Wilderness are right on top of each other, both were horrible battles and both were heavily wooded.  So that could be in the same area, but just in a clearing.  
    Yeah I wish I remembered. It's not by Wildnerness. For reference since you probably know the area well, if you leave Arlington (where my friend lives), I think it took a little over an hour to get to Wilderness. Wherever this place is in my pictures, it was only about 20 minutes from Arlington. It's a nice place actually. I'd recommend visiting it...if I knew exactly where the hell it was. 

    Edit: I just sent the picture to my friend. He said it's Manassas. 
    Ah. Manassas... or in the North we'd call it Bull Run.  It's exactly 20 min south right by the monstrous IKEA!
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 13,349
    mrussel1 said:
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    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
    He lives not far from the Robert Lee Memorial House. So maybe his section of town is still "South." I dunno. It's all pretty weird down there. But interesting. I've visited most of the battle sites. Even hit a joint where Stonewall Jackson was shot. 
    I actually lived 10 minutes from Chancellorsville for a few  years, when I was commuting between DC and Richmond.  It's a crazy that they fought that battle along with the Wilderness in those woods.  To this day, it's thick and practically impassable, as you probably remember.  I would not call it 'weird' though!  I grew up in Cleveland so I actually love being so close to so many Civil War and Revolutionary sites.  
    I think I have pictures from the Chancellorsville battle site, but I could have my sites confused. Any of these look familiar?


    I think your photos are from Caroline county, 30 min south of the battle.  This is where Jackson died.  I don't recall ever going there, but htat looks like the house where Jackson died.  The actual battle was in Spotsylvania County and it was total woods, and still is today since it is preserved as a historical site.  
    No this isn't the house where Jackson died. This house was owned by an old woman and it was destroyed by mistake (and rebuilt for tourism reasons). The woman, her daughter, and her slave were killed. I wish I remembered where exactly it was. All I know is the two armies kinda ran into each other on her property, and a battle broke out. 
    I see.  Hard to say, that doesn't look familiar.  I do know Chance and the Wilderness are right on top of each other, both were horrible battles and both were heavily wooded.  So that could be in the same area, but just in a clearing.  
    Yeah I wish I remembered. It's not by Wildnerness. For reference since you probably know the area well, if you leave Arlington (where my friend lives), I think it took a little over an hour to get to Wilderness. Wherever this place is in my pictures, it was only about 20 minutes from Arlington. It's a nice place actually. I'd recommend visiting it...if I knew exactly where the hell it was. 

    Edit: I just sent the picture to my friend. He said it's Manassas. 
    Ah. Manassas... or in the North we'd call it Bull Run.  It's exactly 20 min south right by the monstrous IKEA!
    There was another picture that I took that I didn't post here that had a date on a tomb. When I googled that date, it said the Battle of Bull Run, yet that didn't seem right. But I guess it was. 
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    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
    He lives not far from the Robert Lee Memorial House. So maybe his section of town is still "South." I dunno. It's all pretty weird down there. But interesting. I've visited most of the battle sites. Even hit a joint where Stonewall Jackson was shot. 
    I actually lived 10 minutes from Chancellorsville for a few  years, when I was commuting between DC and Richmond.  It's a crazy that they fought that battle along with the Wilderness in those woods.  To this day, it's thick and practically impassable, as you probably remember.  I would not call it 'weird' though!  I grew up in Cleveland so I actually love being so close to so many Civil War and Revolutionary sites.  
    I think I have pictures from the Chancellorsville battle site, but I could have my sites confused. Any of these look familiar?


    I think your photos are from Caroline county, 30 min south of the battle.  This is where Jackson died.  I don't recall ever going there, but htat looks like the house where Jackson died.  The actual battle was in Spotsylvania County and it was total woods, and still is today since it is preserved as a historical site.  
    No this isn't the house where Jackson died. This house was owned by an old woman and it was destroyed by mistake (and rebuilt for tourism reasons). The woman, her daughter, and her slave were killed. I wish I remembered where exactly it was. All I know is the two armies kinda ran into each other on her property, and a battle broke out. 
    I see.  Hard to say, that doesn't look familiar.  I do know Chance and the Wilderness are right on top of each other, both were horrible battles and both were heavily wooded.  So that could be in the same area, but just in a clearing.  
    Yeah I wish I remembered. It's not by Wildnerness. For reference since you probably know the area well, if you leave Arlington (where my friend lives), I think it took a little over an hour to get to Wilderness. Wherever this place is in my pictures, it was only about 20 minutes from Arlington. It's a nice place actually. I'd recommend visiting it...if I knew exactly where the hell it was. 

    Edit: I just sent the picture to my friend. He said it's Manassas. 
    Ah. Manassas... or in the North we'd call it Bull Run.  It's exactly 20 min south right by the monstrous IKEA!
    There was another picture that I took that I didn't post here that had a date on a tomb. When I googled that date, it said the Battle of Bull Run, yet that didn't seem right. But I guess it was. 
    Remember there were two battles at Bull Run.  1861 and 62.
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    mrussel1 said:
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    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
    He lives not far from the Robert Lee Memorial House. So maybe his section of town is still "South." I dunno. It's all pretty weird down there. But interesting. I've visited most of the battle sites. Even hit a joint where Stonewall Jackson was shot. 
    I actually lived 10 minutes from Chancellorsville for a few  years, when I was commuting between DC and Richmond.  It's a crazy that they fought that battle along with the Wilderness in those woods.  To this day, it's thick and practically impassable, as you probably remember.  I would not call it 'weird' though!  I grew up in Cleveland so I actually love being so close to so many Civil War and Revolutionary sites.  
    I think I have pictures from the Chancellorsville battle site, but I could have my sites confused. Any of these look familiar?


    I think your photos are from Caroline county, 30 min south of the battle.  This is where Jackson died.  I don't recall ever going there, but htat looks like the house where Jackson died.  The actual battle was in Spotsylvania County and it was total woods, and still is today since it is preserved as a historical site.  
    No this isn't the house where Jackson died. This house was owned by an old woman and it was destroyed by mistake (and rebuilt for tourism reasons). The woman, her daughter, and her slave were killed. I wish I remembered where exactly it was. All I know is the two armies kinda ran into each other on her property, and a battle broke out. 
    I see.  Hard to say, that doesn't look familiar.  I do know Chance and the Wilderness are right on top of each other, both were horrible battles and both were heavily wooded.  So that could be in the same area, but just in a clearing.  
    Yeah I wish I remembered. It's not by Wildnerness. For reference since you probably know the area well, if you leave Arlington (where my friend lives), I think it took a little over an hour to get to Wilderness. Wherever this place is in my pictures, it was only about 20 minutes from Arlington. It's a nice place actually. I'd recommend visiting it...if I knew exactly where the hell it was. 

    Edit: I just sent the picture to my friend. He said it's Manassas. 
    Ah. Manassas... or in the North we'd call it Bull Run.  It's exactly 20 min south right by the monstrous IKEA!
    There was another picture that I took that I didn't post here that had a date on a tomb. When I googled that date, it said the Battle of Bull Run, yet that didn't seem right. But I guess it was. 
    Remember there were two battles at Bull Run.  1861 and 62.
    I didn’t know that. Here’s the gravestone I was going off of, from the 1861 battle. And a picture of a cannon for no particular reason. 


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    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
    He lives not far from the Robert Lee Memorial House. So maybe his section of town is still "South." I dunno. It's all pretty weird down there. But interesting. I've visited most of the battle sites. Even hit a joint where Stonewall Jackson was shot. 
    I actually lived 10 minutes from Chancellorsville for a few  years, when I was commuting between DC and Richmond.  It's a crazy that they fought that battle along with the Wilderness in those woods.  To this day, it's thick and practically impassable, as you probably remember.  I would not call it 'weird' though!  I grew up in Cleveland so I actually love being so close to so many Civil War and Revolutionary sites.  
    I think I have pictures from the Chancellorsville battle site, but I could have my sites confused. Any of these look familiar?


    I think your photos are from Caroline county, 30 min south of the battle.  This is where Jackson died.  I don't recall ever going there, but htat looks like the house where Jackson died.  The actual battle was in Spotsylvania County and it was total woods, and still is today since it is preserved as a historical site.  
    No this isn't the house where Jackson died. This house was owned by an old woman and it was destroyed by mistake (and rebuilt for tourism reasons). The woman, her daughter, and her slave were killed. I wish I remembered where exactly it was. All I know is the two armies kinda ran into each other on her property, and a battle broke out. 
    I see.  Hard to say, that doesn't look familiar.  I do know Chance and the Wilderness are right on top of each other, both were horrible battles and both were heavily wooded.  So that could be in the same area, but just in a clearing.  
    Yeah I wish I remembered. It's not by Wildnerness. For reference since you probably know the area well, if you leave Arlington (where my friend lives), I think it took a little over an hour to get to Wilderness. Wherever this place is in my pictures, it was only about 20 minutes from Arlington. It's a nice place actually. I'd recommend visiting it...if I knew exactly where the hell it was. 

    Edit: I just sent the picture to my friend. He said it's Manassas. 
    Ah. Manassas... or in the North we'd call it Bull Run.  It's exactly 20 min south right by the monstrous IKEA!
    There was another picture that I took that I didn't post here that had a date on a tomb. When I googled that date, it said the Battle of Bull Run, yet that didn't seem right. But I guess it was. 
    Remember there were two battles at Bull Run.  1861 and 62.
    I didn’t know that. Here’s the gravestone I was going off of, from the 1861 battle. And a picture of a cannon for no particular reason. 


    You have some good pics. 

    Have you been to Gettysburg since they re-did the welcome center a few years ago?  It's pretty amazing.  
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    i saw a tweet last night that said something like "steve king continues to support the confederacy by getting destroyed on his home turf".
    Off topic of Republicans, but on topic with Confederates... did any of you watch the three part Grant series on History channel last week?  I thought it was really well done.  And it brings up such an interesting point about southern historians (they have dominated the field historically) lionizing Lee and trashing Grant historically.  He was a great, great general and definitely a strategic equal. 
    Was he? Considering how overmatched the confederacy was in both troops and resources, and how long they lasted, I think there's an argument for Lee as the superior general. That said, if the Union stuck with that loser McClellan rather than going with Grant, the confederacy probably would won, so Grant deserves his credit too.

    As for southern historians, my friend lives in Arlington, VA and he says that his daughter in high school is taught about the Civil War very differently that I was taught in Pennsylvania. They're taught that the poor confederacy just wanted to be their own country and that warmonger Lincoln wouldn't have it, and sicced his army on them. 
    First, yes an equal.  Grant didn't take over in the East until 1864.  Before that, it was the string of McClellan, Hooker, etc.  But in the west, where Grant was, he was enormously successful, particularly in Shiloh and Vicksburg.  You can't overestimate the importance of the siege of Vicksburg. Now maybe Lee was tactically a little better, the way he had the Army of NOVA so nimble, but once Grant pinned him down in Petersburg, Lee could not stop him from cutting Richmond and the troops off from the supply lines.  That's the strategic genius part, along with directing Sherman through Atlanta, another critical victory.  

    As far as your friend, I'm surprised in Arlington it is taught differently still today.  My guess is that will continue to change as Richmond and north is pretty much a Union state now.  NOVA in particular is dark blue.  
    He lives not far from the Robert Lee Memorial House. So maybe his section of town is still "South." I dunno. It's all pretty weird down there. But interesting. I've visited most of the battle sites. Even hit a joint where Stonewall Jackson was shot. 
    I actually lived 10 minutes from Chancellorsville for a few  years, when I was commuting between DC and Richmond.  It's a crazy that they fought that battle along with the Wilderness in those woods.  To this day, it's thick and practically impassable, as you probably remember.  I would not call it 'weird' though!  I grew up in Cleveland so I actually love being so close to so many Civil War and Revolutionary sites.  
    I think I have pictures from the Chancellorsville battle site, but I could have my sites confused. Any of these look familiar?


    I think your photos are from Caroline county, 30 min south of the battle.  This is where Jackson died.  I don't recall ever going there, but htat looks like the house where Jackson died.  The actual battle was in Spotsylvania County and it was total woods, and still is today since it is preserved as a historical site.  
    No this isn't the house where Jackson died. This house was owned by an old woman and it was destroyed by mistake (and rebuilt for tourism reasons). The woman, her daughter, and her slave were killed. I wish I remembered where exactly it was. All I know is the two armies kinda ran into each other on her property, and a battle broke out. 
    I see.  Hard to say, that doesn't look familiar.  I do know Chance and the Wilderness are right on top of each other, both were horrible battles and both were heavily wooded.  So that could be in the same area, but just in a clearing.  
    Yeah I wish I remembered. It's not by Wildnerness. For reference since you probably know the area well, if you leave Arlington (where my friend lives), I think it took a little over an hour to get to Wilderness. Wherever this place is in my pictures, it was only about 20 minutes from Arlington. It's a nice place actually. I'd recommend visiting it...if I knew exactly where the hell it was. 

    Edit: I just sent the picture to my friend. He said it's Manassas. 
    Ah. Manassas... or in the North we'd call it Bull Run.  It's exactly 20 min south right by the monstrous IKEA!
    There was another picture that I took that I didn't post here that had a date on a tomb. When I googled that date, it said the Battle of Bull Run, yet that didn't seem right. But I guess it was. 
    Remember there were two battles at Bull Run.  1861 and 62.
    I didn’t know that. Here’s the gravestone I was going off of, from the 1861 battle. And a picture of a cannon for no particular reason. 


    You have some good pics. 

    Have you been to Gettysburg since they re-did the welcome center a few years ago?  It's pretty amazing.  
    No I haven't been there in quite a while. I've heard it's been revamped pretty nicely. 
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    i enjoyed the grant doc. he had a farm about 20 miles from me. it is open to the public. Grant's Farm.  Given that MO on the whole is a conservative state, Grant is loved here. 

    Grant has the reputation of being a drunk. Which is unfair. They said he went on a few benders, like the siege at vicksburg, but it was out of boredom when nothing was going on.

    i think sherman deserves some of the credit for grant's success. if grant did not trust him enough to make the march to the sea, he may not have given the order to make that march. who knows what would have happened then, or how things would have turned out. atlanta was a major industrial hub for the southern war effort. taking atlanta was a crucial success for the north.


    that doc kind of blew the old "war of northern aggression" theme out of the water. i never got that. the south took up arms against the north and fired the first shots at fort sumter. sounds like the south were the aggressors to me. also, the war was absolutely about slavery.

    i visited shiloh when i was 12 or 13. i think i was too young to appreciate it back then. would love to visit now. we did the 21 mile march from corinth, mississippi to shiloh. it took weeks for my blisters to heal, haha.

    sherman is buried about 10 minutes from my home. i have been to visit him a few times. his wife and very young son are buried there as well. dred scott is also buried there. 
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