. This (Shafi) story has gained national attention and has put the party in a bad light, all thanks to the actions of a few.”
So is it a few or is it the GOP there? Regardless it’s crazy. Though I think a few here would like to remove any politician with any religious beliefs
I don't care if politicians religious beliefs at all (caring about that would disqualify nearly everyone, lol). I only care if they apply their religious beliefs to their decision making or overall platform, outside of the "do no harm" kinds of beliefs, since those should be held by all people, religious or not.
Their religious beliefs are their morals....so you want them to ignore their beliefs when they govern? Thats a pretty tough thing to do I bet. I’d bet you’d govern by your morals and beliefs.
I completely disagree that religious beliefs are their morals. If that were true, I and other Atheists would have no morals, which is not the case.
Yes, I expect them to ignore their religious beliefs. I.e. I expect them to ignore their anti-abortionist or anti-gay sentiments, for example, as they apply to their jobs because they go against the constitution. Politicians have to abide by the law and the constitution (or Charter of Rights) and by what is best for the citizens under those rules, NOT by their religious beliefs. If their religious beliefs (or morals) coincide with what is demanded by law and constitution, that's nice for everybody.
Fair enough. Good discussion. I actually tend to align with you but have had some discussions with friends recently.
Although I don’t think ignoring anti-abortion is even a religious thing . Cause I ain’t religious at all and I wouldn’t ignore it.
. This (Shafi) story has gained national attention and has put the party in a bad light, all thanks to the actions of a few.”
So is it a few or is it the GOP there? Regardless it’s crazy. Though I think a few here would like to remove any politician with any religious beliefs
I don't care if politicians religious beliefs at all (caring about that would disqualify nearly everyone, lol). I only care if they apply their religious beliefs to their decision making or overall platform, outside of the "do no harm" kinds of beliefs, since those should be held by all people, religious or not.
Their religious beliefs are their morals....so you want them to ignore their beliefs when they govern? Thats a pretty tough thing to do I bet. I’d bet you’d govern by your morals and beliefs.
I completely disagree that religious beliefs are their morals. If that were true, I and other Atheists would have no morals, which is not the case.
Yes, I expect them to ignore their religious beliefs. I.e. I expect them to ignore their anti-abortionist or anti-gay sentiments, for example, as they apply to their jobs because they go against the constitution. Politicians have to abide by the law and the constitution (or Charter of Rights) and by what is best for the citizens under those rules, NOT by their religious beliefs. If their religious beliefs (or morals) coincide with what is demanded by law and constitution, that's nice for everybody.
Fair enough. Good discussion. I actually tend to align with you but have had some discussions with friends recently.
Although I don’t think ignoring anti-abortion is even a religious thing . Cause I ain’t religious at all and I wouldn’t ignore it.
Well, I don't expect anti-abortionists to get abortions themselves. I'm not unreasonable.
FWIW, this expectation is actually realistic, apparently. Stephen Harper, Canada's ex (awful) Conservative Prime Minister is a complete hardcore Christian fundamentalist. But I absolutely give him full credit for not really bringing that into his leadership. He never even tried to politicize abortion or gay marriage, and never did anything else that made me feel like he was ruling via his religious beliefs either. I hate his fucking guts and he did tons of sinister, shitty things IMO, but I'm still willing to compliment him for that at least. In fact, many Canadians didn't even know he's really religious, and are genuinely surprised to discover what a huge Bible thumper he actually is (once you find out though, it's not surprising for long... he totally looks like a fundamentalist ).
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. This (Shafi) story has gained national attention and has put the party in a bad light, all thanks to the actions of a few.”
So is it a few or is it the GOP there? Regardless it’s crazy. Though I think a few here would like to remove any politician with any religious beliefs
I don't care if politicians religious beliefs at all (caring about that would disqualify nearly everyone, lol). I only care if they apply their religious beliefs to their decision making or overall platform, outside of the "do no harm" kinds of beliefs, since those should be held by all people, religious or not.
Their religious beliefs are their morals....so you want them to ignore their beliefs when they govern? Thats a pretty tough thing to do I bet. I’d bet you’d govern by your morals and beliefs.
I completely disagree that religious beliefs are their morals. If that were true, I and other Atheists would have no morals, which is not the case.
Yes, I expect them to ignore their religious beliefs. I.e. I expect them to ignore their anti-abortionist or anti-gay sentiments, for example, as they apply to their jobs because they go against the constitution. Politicians have to abide by the law and the constitution (or Charter of Rights) and by what is best for the citizens under those rules, NOT by their religious beliefs. If their religious beliefs (or morals) coincide with what is demanded by law and constitution, that's nice for everybody.
Fair enough. Good discussion. I actually tend to align with you but have had some discussions with friends recently.
Although I don’t think ignoring anti-abortion is even a religious thing . Cause I ain’t religious at all and I wouldn’t ignore it.
Well, I don't expect anti-abortionists to get abortions themselves. I'm not unreasonable.
FWIW, this expectation is actually realistic, apparently. Stephen Harper, Canada's ex (awful) Conservative Prime Minister is a complete hardcore Christian fundamentalist. But I absolutely give him full credit for not really bringing that into his leadership. He never even tried to politicize abortion or gay marriage, and never did anything else that made me feel like he was ruling via his religious beliefs either. I hate his fucking guts and he did tons of sinister, shitty things IMO, but I'm still willing to compliment him for that at least. In fact, many Canadians didn't even know he's really religious, and are genuinely surprised to discover what a huge Bible thumper he actually is (once you find out though, it's not surprising for long... he totally looks like a fundamentalist ).
The danger we have here is we have 40% of voters will never vote democrat because of this issue. Gives the GOP a nice little lead at the bottom of the first.
Is there such a loyal voting block in Canda? I surmise if there was such a passionate core group, it would draw politicians to their cause?
. This (Shafi) story has gained national attention and has put the party in a bad light, all thanks to the actions of a few.”
So is it a few or is it the GOP there? Regardless it’s crazy. Though I think a few here would like to remove any politician with any religious beliefs
I don't care if politicians religious beliefs at all (caring about that would disqualify nearly everyone, lol). I only care if they apply their religious beliefs to their decision making or overall platform, outside of the "do no harm" kinds of beliefs, since those should be held by all people, religious or not.
Their religious beliefs are their morals....so you want them to ignore their beliefs when they govern? Thats a pretty tough thing to do I bet. I’d bet you’d govern by your morals and beliefs.
I completely disagree that religious beliefs are their morals. If that were true, I and other Atheists would have no morals, which is not the case.
Yes, I expect them to ignore their religious beliefs. I.e. I expect them to ignore their anti-abortionist or anti-gay sentiments, for example, as they apply to their jobs because they go against the constitution. Politicians have to abide by the law and the constitution (or Charter of Rights) and by what is best for the citizens under those rules, NOT by their religious beliefs. If their religious beliefs (or morals) coincide with what is demanded by law and constitution, that's nice for everybody.
Fair enough. Good discussion. I actually tend to align with you but have had some discussions with friends recently.
Although I don’t think ignoring anti-abortion is even a religious thing . Cause I ain’t religious at all and I wouldn’t ignore it.
Well, I don't expect anti-abortionists to get abortions themselves. I'm not unreasonable.
FWIW, this expectation is actually realistic, apparently. Stephen Harper, Canada's ex (awful) Conservative Prime Minister is a complete hardcore Christian fundamentalist. But I absolutely give him full credit for not really bringing that into his leadership. He never even tried to politicize abortion or gay marriage, and never did anything else that made me feel like he was ruling via his religious beliefs either. I hate his fucking guts and he did tons of sinister, shitty things IMO, but I'm still willing to compliment him for that at least. In fact, many Canadians didn't even know he's really religious, and are genuinely surprised to discover what a huge Bible thumper he actually is (once you find out though, it's not surprising for long... he totally looks like a fundamentalist ).
i'm pretty sure harper didn't bring those issues into his politics not because of some morality he had about separation of church and state, rather knowing it would have been political suicide.
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. This (Shafi) story has gained national attention and has put the party in a bad light, all thanks to the actions of a few.”
So is it a few or is it the GOP there? Regardless it’s crazy. Though I think a few here would like to remove any politician with any religious beliefs
I don't care if politicians religious beliefs at all (caring about that would disqualify nearly everyone, lol). I only care if they apply their religious beliefs to their decision making or overall platform, outside of the "do no harm" kinds of beliefs, since those should be held by all people, religious or not.
Their religious beliefs are their morals....so you want them to ignore their beliefs when they govern? Thats a pretty tough thing to do I bet. I’d bet you’d govern by your morals and beliefs.
I completely disagree that religious beliefs are their morals. If that were true, I and other Atheists would have no morals, which is not the case.
Yes, I expect them to ignore their religious beliefs. I.e. I expect them to ignore their anti-abortionist or anti-gay sentiments, for example, as they apply to their jobs because they go against the constitution. Politicians have to abide by the law and the constitution (or Charter of Rights) and by what is best for the citizens under those rules, NOT by their religious beliefs. If their religious beliefs (or morals) coincide with what is demanded by law and constitution, that's nice for everybody.
Fair enough. Good discussion. I actually tend to align with you but have had some discussions with friends recently.
Although I don’t think ignoring anti-abortion is even a religious thing . Cause I ain’t religious at all and I wouldn’t ignore it.
Well, I don't expect anti-abortionists to get abortions themselves. I'm not unreasonable.
FWIW, this expectation is actually realistic, apparently. Stephen Harper, Canada's ex (awful) Conservative Prime Minister is a complete hardcore Christian fundamentalist. But I absolutely give him full credit for not really bringing that into his leadership. He never even tried to politicize abortion or gay marriage, and never did anything else that made me feel like he was ruling via his religious beliefs either. I hate his fucking guts and he did tons of sinister, shitty things IMO, but I'm still willing to compliment him for that at least. In fact, many Canadians didn't even know he's really religious, and are genuinely surprised to discover what a huge Bible thumper he actually is (once you find out though, it's not surprising for long... he totally looks like a fundamentalist ).
The danger we have here is we have 40% of voters will never vote democrat because of this issue. Gives the GOP a nice little lead at the bottom of the first.
Is there such a loyal voting block in Canda? I surmise if there was such a passionate core group, it would draw politicians to their cause?
Canadians generally understand the value of the separation of Church and State. Politicians don't generally dare to bring religion into it. Our "loyal voting blocks" mainly revolve around economics, the energy sector, environmental policy, and social issues such as crime and immigration and stuff like that. Gay marriage was instituted a very long time ago with basically zero controversy and without controversy since, the new doctor assisted suicide laws came in with very little controversy like that - the main issue there was actually that the rules surrounding it are too restrictive - abortion never really comes up at all.... Canadians just aren't religious nuts when it goes against our Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Generally speaking. Nothing close to what the USA is like in this context. Now of course we do have some anti-gay freaks who have issues on a local level, trying to prevent gay and trans issues to be taught or supported in schools (they think their kids can be converted to gayness ), but they are soundly shot down every time, at least so far.
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. This (Shafi) story has gained national attention and has put the party in a bad light, all thanks to the actions of a few.”
So is it a few or is it the GOP there? Regardless it’s crazy. Though I think a few here would like to remove any politician with any religious beliefs
I don't care if politicians religious beliefs at all (caring about that would disqualify nearly everyone, lol). I only care if they apply their religious beliefs to their decision making or overall platform, outside of the "do no harm" kinds of beliefs, since those should be held by all people, religious or not.
Their religious beliefs are their morals....so you want them to ignore their beliefs when they govern? Thats a pretty tough thing to do I bet. I’d bet you’d govern by your morals and beliefs.
I completely disagree that religious beliefs are their morals. If that were true, I and other Atheists would have no morals, which is not the case.
Yes, I expect them to ignore their religious beliefs. I.e. I expect them to ignore their anti-abortionist or anti-gay sentiments, for example, as they apply to their jobs because they go against the constitution. Politicians have to abide by the law and the constitution (or Charter of Rights) and by what is best for the citizens under those rules, NOT by their religious beliefs. If their religious beliefs (or morals) coincide with what is demanded by law and constitution, that's nice for everybody.
Fair enough. Good discussion. I actually tend to align with you but have had some discussions with friends recently.
Although I don’t think ignoring anti-abortion is even a religious thing . Cause I ain’t religious at all and I wouldn’t ignore it.
There are anti-discrimination laws in this country that protect against said action based on race, CREED, color, age, and marital status. I don't know exactly the legal structure of the local GOP, but I'd be willing to be that removing someone for their creed would be coming awfully close, if not crossing the line. The difference may be is because it's a vote, and you can't litigate the reason someone votes.
. This (Shafi) story has gained national attention and has put the party in a bad light, all thanks to the actions of a few.”
So is it a few or is it the GOP there? Regardless it’s crazy. Though I think a few here would like to remove any politician with any religious beliefs
I don't care if politicians religious beliefs at all (caring about that would disqualify nearly everyone, lol). I only care if they apply their religious beliefs to their decision making or overall platform, outside of the "do no harm" kinds of beliefs, since those should be held by all people, religious or not.
Their religious beliefs are their morals....so you want them to ignore their beliefs when they govern? Thats a pretty tough thing to do I bet. I’d bet you’d govern by your morals and beliefs.
I completely disagree that religious beliefs are their morals. If that were true, I and other Atheists would have no morals, which is not the case.
Yes, I expect them to ignore their religious beliefs. I.e. I expect them to ignore their anti-abortionist or anti-gay sentiments, for example, as they apply to their jobs because they go against the constitution. Politicians have to abide by the law and the constitution (or Charter of Rights) and by what is best for the citizens under those rules, NOT by their religious beliefs. If their religious beliefs (or morals) coincide with what is demanded by law and constitution, that's nice for everybody.
Ture that. That's a religious narrative that only way to attain morals is threat of eternal burning in hell if you have a wank or wear cotton or men kissing men or coveting thy neighbors wife.
When not in threat of burning in hell or dangling the carrot of eternal bliss in heaven, you realize the only thing that is precious is life. Being conscience is the greatest gift especially on this beautiful planet.
These guys are so clueless. And they considered themselves presidential material? Maybe the should go to Canada with Randy Paul and hold a vigil? Such leadership.
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Where’s the senate committee investigating the four American deaths in Syria after Team Trump Treason and the VP claimed to the American people that ISIS was defeated and the troops can come home? Where’s Tom “I’m A Warrior, Hear Me Roar” Cotton? How and on what evidence did Team Trump Treason base his decision? The families of those killed deserve answers.
Where’s the senate committee investigating the four American deaths in Syria after Team Trump Treason and the VP claimed to the American people that ISIS was defeated and the troops can come home? Where’s Tom “I’m A Warrior, Hear Me Roar” Cotton? How and on what evidence did Team Trump Treason base his decision? The families of those killed deserve answers.
I would suspect they might say...if we had withdrawn immediately no one would have died. I'm certain the spin on this one will be great.
But this one smells like rubles. Or a dot? Pennsylvania was one of those electoral states, right? 66% of the vote for re-election? Early Team Trump Treason supporter? Hmmmmmmm.
Wowee. The "Katrina Victim" kicker clinches it. Holy fuck, lol.
Ohh he was only having fun no what a creep just like the whole party and leaders starting with the baffoon they only wan't you here if you are white and from Europe !!
Where’s the outrage about making Nazi comparisons? Where’s the outrage about cheapening the horror of the Holocaust? How is it possible that this comparison can be made when Democrats haven’t set up camps yet? Unless you’re counting the FEMA camps Obama set up? Desperate times on the right, eh professor?
Where’s the outrage about making Nazi comparisons? Where’s the outrage about cheapening the horror of the Holocaust? How is it possible that this comparison can be made when Democrats haven’t set up camps yet? Unless you’re counting the FEMA camps Obama set up? Desperate times on the right, eh professor?
I believe that it's only the right who gets upset about these kinds of comparisons because the right knows that the comparisons made against Trump and the GOP now are fucking apt. "The [right] doth protest too much!" The left doesn't give a shit about this because it's not an apt comparison. It's just stupid. Obviously. And Rush fucking Limbaugh certainly doesn't have the power to cheapen the holocaust. Don't give him so much credit.
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Although I don’t think ignoring anti-abortion is even a religious thing
The danger we have here is we have 40% of voters will never vote democrat because of this issue. Gives the GOP a nice little lead at the bottom of the first.
Is there such a loyal voting block in Canda? I surmise if there was such a passionate core group, it would draw politicians to their cause?
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But this one smells like rubles. Or a dot? Pennsylvania was one of those electoral states, right? 66% of the vote for re-election? Early Team Trump Treason supporter? Hmmmmmmm.
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So civil. Come on libs, tone it down and play nice now.
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