Trouble on London Bridge

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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,676
    edited June 2017
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    Religion of peace, right?
    Stop using my line! ;)

    Seriously, what the heck is going on in London?!
    The consequences of the US starting an unjust war.
    This.  And yet so many* still refuse to see what is clear, that we are witnessing the consequences of actions.  That simple.

    *i.e. the general populous, not meant to refer to anyone here.
    Post edited by brianlux on
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  • Kat
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    The first three. Be careful in how you speak to each other. Being rude could end badly with your posting privileges. 

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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,622
    unsung said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    And Theresa May wants to regulate the internet as the solution.  LOL.
    Feel free to post your solution(s).
    Nah, I feel no need to debate people that just call others racists when they can't formulate their own solutions.  
    Your solution aligns with trump's solution. Feel free to defend it.
  • EM194007
    EM194007 Posts: 2,827
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    Religion of peace, right?
    Stop using my line! ;)

    Seriously, what the heck is going on in London?!
    The consequences of the US starting an unjust war.
    This.  And yet so many still refuse to see what is clear, that we are witnessing the consequences of actions.  That simple.
    What caused all the attacks before said war? This BS has been going on a long, long time before that.
  • foodshop65
    foodshop65 Connecticut Posts: 731
    unsung said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    And Theresa May wants to regulate the internet as the solution.  LOL.
    Feel free to post your solution(s).
    Nah, I feel no need to debate people that just call others racists when they can't formulate their own solutions.  
    best possible answer...discussions are not possible anymore as "label and dismiss are the new norm"
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,676
    EM194007 said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    Religion of peace, right?
    Stop using my line! ;)

    Seriously, what the heck is going on in London?!
    The consequences of the US starting an unjust war.
    This.  And yet so many still refuse to see what is clear, that we are witnessing the consequences of actions.  That simple.
    What caused all the attacks before said war? This BS has been going on a long, long time before that.
    I don't agree that Islamic terrorism superseded the various wars and attacks on Arab countries.  
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • EM194007
    EM194007 Posts: 2,827
    brianlux said:
    EM194007 said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    Religion of peace, right?
    Stop using my line! ;)

    Seriously, what the heck is going on in London?!
    The consequences of the US starting an unjust war.
    This.  And yet so many still refuse to see what is clear, that we are witnessing the consequences of actions.  That simple.
    What caused all the attacks before said war? This BS has been going on a long, long time before that.
    I don't agree that Islamic terrorism superseded the various wars and attacks on Arab countries.  
    We'll have to agree to disagree on that statement. But, history sure isn't on your side. 
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,622
    foodshop65 said:
    unsung said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    And Theresa May wants to regulate the internet as the solution.  LOL.
    Feel free to post your solution(s).
    Nah, I feel no need to debate people that just call others racists when they can't formulate their own solutions.  
    best possible answer...discussions are not possible anymore as "label and dismiss are the new norm"
    That's a sidestep to the discussion. So probably the worst possible answer.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,622
    EM194007 said:
    brianlux said:
    EM194007 said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    Religion of peace, right?
    Stop using my line! ;)

    Seriously, what the heck is going on in London?!
    The consequences of the US starting an unjust war.
    This.  And yet so many still refuse to see what is clear, that we are witnessing the consequences of actions.  That simple.
    What caused all the attacks before said war? This BS has been going on a long, long time before that.
    I don't agree that Islamic terrorism superseded the various wars and attacks on Arab countries.  
    We'll have to agree to disagree on that statement. But, history sure isn't on your side. 
    Which history is on your side, then?
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,676
    EM194007 said:
    brianlux said:
    EM194007 said:
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    unsung said:
    Religion of peace, right?
    Stop using my line! ;)

    Seriously, what the heck is going on in London?!
    The consequences of the US starting an unjust war.
    This.  And yet so many still refuse to see what is clear, that we are witnessing the consequences of actions.  That simple.
    What caused all the attacks before said war? This BS has been going on a long, long time before that.
    I don't agree that Islamic terrorism superseded the various wars and attacks on Arab countries.  
    We'll have to agree to disagree on that statement. But, history sure isn't on your side. 
    Those statements are at least somewhat contradictory. 

    Moving on.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263

    Both sides have some blame in all of this.  The West is not at fault for specific terrorist attacks but it has some fault with destabilizing the region.  Not 100% of the blame but some fault.    We won't pretend either that the Middle East was a utopia before the West came to town.  Even the stable countries have huge human rights issues. 

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,676
    bootlegger10 said:

    Both sides have some blame in all of this.  The West is not at fault for specific terrorist attacks but it has some fault with destabilizing the region.  Not 100% of the blame but some fault.    We won't pretend either that the Middle East was a utopia before the West came to town.  Even the stable countries have huge human rights issues. 

    If it weren't for oil, most parts of the middle east would still be exotic places to visit, shop for carpets or a cool looking fez, and film cool thriller movies.  Not anymore.  Now it's a shitstorm of ruined landscape, a trashed culture (i.e. immeasurable loss of Islamic art), and angry people.  
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • nigel
    nigel Posts: 267
    The reports I have heard are of the bravery of the UK police and the emergency services in dealing with what was another horrific attack on our way of life.  Many lives were saved by their heroic actions.  London and the UK are grieving.  Tuesday and Wednesday night are going to be tough.  We will not let hate win.
  • dimitrispearljam
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    hate hate hate...
    and hate ..with some hate..repeat..
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  • guypjfreak
    guypjfreak Posts: 2,281
    Great concert in Manchester. Not my cuppa tea but fair play..
  • Restless Soul
    Restless Soul Posts: 805
    guypjfreak said:
    Great concert in Manchester. Not my cuppa tea but fair play..
    I watched it as well, at least the last half. Gary Barlow's face in the beginning put me off lol (Can't stand him). Most of the artists aren't my thing, but it was pretty good still. Would have been better if Noel was there as well as Liam. I used to hate Oasis because Britpop came just when grunge died and i was pissed off about it at the time. But Oasis were actually ruddy brilliant musically, even though I didn't want to admit it at the time!
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  • Restless Soul
    Restless Soul Posts: 805
    I really don't understand what happened in London Bridge last night. Some things don't add up - like why would the terrorists wear fake cannisters on their visible suicide vests (they don't normally), and why would the police shoot at them, which should have been too risky? Unless they knew they were fake in the first place? Doesn't make sense.
    Also the Barking connection was discovered pretty quickly too, even though Barking isn't that close to the city centre. Almost too quickly imo... :s
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,146
    Restless Soul said:
    I really don't understand what happened in London Bridge last night. Some things don't add up - like why would the terrorists wear fake cannisters on their visible suicide vests (they don't normally), and why would the police shoot at them, which should have been too risky? Unless they knew they were fake in the first place? Doesn't make sense.
    Also the Barking connection was discovered pretty quickly too, even though Barking isn't that close to the city centre. Almost too quickly imo... :s
    FRom what I ve read the police thought that they would detonate their suicide vests. Turns out the vests were fake. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Restless Soul
    Restless Soul Posts: 805
    Another thing that doesn't add up is the way a lot of the recent UK attacks have all coincided with the Tories having bad press days...
    • Westminster bridge attack - happended same day that Scotland was due to vote for second independence referendum
    • Westminster knife man arrest - happened same day after Boris called Corbyn a "mugwump" and made the Tories a laughing stock
    • Manchester bombing - happened same day (night) after Theresa May got a mauling in the press for her dementia tax and uturn
    • London Bridge/Borough market attack - happened same day several polls revealed that labour were closing the gap or even beating the tories in the run-up to the election.
    They might not seem a big issues to worry about ordinarily, but with an election coming up it seems that the tories can't afford any more bad press days. It all just makes me wonder...
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  • oftenreading
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