The Concept of God

gimmesometruth27 · July 2017

rgambs · July 2017

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

So Adam and Eve's kids all had sex with each other. Incest is best!.

No that was the point of my last post.
The races are 6th day creation. God rested on the 7th day. Adam & Eve were during the 8th day. Again these "days" aren't 24 hour periods.
There were lots of people around by the time Adom & Eve arrived. Cane eventually slew Abel and went to the Land of Nod which had already been populated.
At the end of the 6th day
Genesis 1 vs 31
And God saw everything that he had made and behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. That word very is very significant. He's talking about the races. He created the different races because He wanted it that way. And He called it very good. Now,
Genesis chapter 2 vs 4
These are the generations of the heavens and the Earth when they were created in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. (You can't have Generations without people around)
5 and every plant of the field before it was in the earth and every herb of the field before it grew; the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the Earth and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 but there went up a mist from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 and the Lord God formed man (Adam) (to till and farm the ground) of the Dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the Breath of Life; and the man became a living soul.
(Adam) pronounced (Eth ha adom)
Took him to the Garden of Eden and it goes on from there.

Generations, in this case, is obviously a synonym to "creations".

The case that the "days" aren't 24 hour periods is incredibly flimsy, and it's taking quite a bit of liberty with interpreting the meaning. The Bible is specific about evenings and mornings, why would it specify "days" if it didn't mean days?

RYME · July 2017

PJ_Soul said:

I don't understand how you get "races" out of the word "very". Isn't that just an assumption? Also, you can have generations without people around. Non-human animals have generations too. Sorry, but I feel like that interpretation is a stretch. I understand why someone made the stretch... because someone had to do something to try and make it seem logical. But really, why would the Bible not even mention humans while they were created and then thrived? I mean, I'm not saying that your interpretation of the literary work is wrong... But as a book that is true, it makes no sense. As a book that isn't true, it makes a lot of sense.

I didn't post the whole Chapter 1 of Genesis. The word very is about how pleased He was at the end of that 6th day after He had created all the different races. He had created cattle and every land animal, every fish, & great whales of the seas. He had created all the fruit bering trees with the seeds of their kind in the fruit, and every herb. He had created fishermen, hunters & gathers but not a farmer yet. That's what Adam was. Eth ha adom means Rudy complected which is to say to show blood in the face. What race blushes? Nothing superior about it. But that's what it was, the white race to till the ground. Other races at the time had spacific things to do based on their region.
Again He looked and said it was very good. Which is why no one has to apologise for their ethnicity.
You had fishermen, & rice growers in one region, hunters and gathers in another, and then the upland farmers. Adam and Eve and the garden of Eden hadn't even occured yet.
Adom & Eve came later.
My point of this whole thing is to show that Adam & Eve were not the first 2 people, & incest wasn't necessary.

Smellyman · July 2017

Good spot for Ricky Gervais explaining why Darwin is wrong as he reads the bible.

I still laugh when I watch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW5Asb3D10Q

rgambs · July 2017

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't understand how you get "races" out of the word "very". Isn't that just an assumption? Also, you can have generations without people around. Non-human animals have generations too. Sorry, but I feel like that interpretation is a stretch. I understand why someone made the stretch... because someone had to do something to try and make it seem logical. But really, why would the Bible not even mention humans while they were created and then thrived? I mean, I'm not saying that your interpretation of the literary work is wrong... But as a book that is true, it makes no sense. As a book that isn't true, it makes a lot of sense.

I didn't post the whole Chapter 1 of Genesis. The word very is about how pleased He was at the end of that 6th day after He had created all the different races. He had created cattle and every land animal, every fish, & great whales of the seas. He had created all the fruit bering trees with the seeds of their kind in the fruit, and every herb. He had created fishermen, hunters & gathers but not a farmer yet. That's what Adam was. Eth ha adom means Rudy complected which is to say to show blood in the face. What race blushes? Nothing superior about it. But that's what it was, the white race to till the ground. Other races at the time had spacific things to do based on their region.
Again He looked and said it was very good. Which is why no one has to apologise for their ethnicity.
You had fishermen, & rice growers in one region, hunters and gathers in another, and then the upland farmers. Adam and Eve and the garden of Eden hadn't even occured yet.
Adom & Eve came later.
My point of this whole thing is to show that Adam & Eve were not the first 2 people, & incest wasn't necessary.

I don't recall any of that in Genesis?

RYME · July 2017

rgambs said:

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

So Adam and Eve's kids all had sex with each other. Incest is best!.

No that was the point of my last post.
The races are 6th day creation. God rested on the 7th day. Adam & Eve were during the 8th day. Again these "days" aren't 24 hour periods.
There were lots of people around by the time Adom & Eve arrived. Cane eventually slew Abel and went to the Land of Nod which had already been populated.
At the end of the 6th day
Genesis 1 vs 31
And God saw everything that he had made and behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. That word very is very significant. He's talking about the races. He created the different races because He wanted it that way. And He called it very good. Now,
Genesis chapter 2 vs 4
These are the generations of the heavens and the Earth when they were created in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. (You can't have Generations without people around)
5 and every plant of the field before it was in the earth and every herb of the field before it grew; the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the Earth and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 but there went up a mist from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 and the Lord God formed man (Adam) (to till and farm the ground) of the Dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the Breath of Life; and the man became a living soul.
(Adam) pronounced (Eth ha adom)
Took him to the Garden of Eden and it goes on from there.

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

So Adam and Eve's kids all had sex with each other. Incest is best!.

No that was the point of my last post.
The races are 6th day creation. God rested on the 7th day. Adam & Eve were during the 8th day. Again these "days" aren't 24 hour periods.
There were lots of people around by the time Adom & Eve arrived. Cane eventually slew Abel and went to the Land of Nod which had already been populated.
At the end of the 6th day
Genesis 1 vs 31
And God saw everything that he had made and behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. That word very is very significant. He's talking about the races. He created the different races because He wanted it that way. And He called it very good. Now,
Genesis chapter 2 vs 4
These are the generations of the heavens and the Earth when they were created in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. (You can't have Generations without people around)
5 and every plant of the field before it was in the earth and every herb of the field before it grew; the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the Earth and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 but there went up a mist from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 and the Lord God formed man (Adam) (to till and farm the ground) of the Dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the Breath of Life; and the man became a living soul.
(Adam) pronounced (Eth ha adom)
Took him to the Garden of Eden and it goes on from there.

Generations, in this case, is obviously a synonym to "creations".

The case that the "days" aren't 24 hour periods is incredibly flimsy, and it's taking quite a bit of liberty with interpreting the meaning. The Bible is specific about evenings and mornings, why would it specify "days" if it didn't mean days?

Flimsy?
GOD prepares the earth
And God said, Let there be light:" and there was light.
First Day - Darkness and Light. Night and Day
Second Day - Waters. Division between them.
Third Day - Dry land. Fruit from it.
Fourth Day - The Sun, moon and stars.
Fifth Day - Waters - Life from the waters, fowl and cattle and every creeping critter.
Sixth Day - Mankind: all races.
That can't be done in 144 hours.

RYME · July 2017

rgambs said:

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't understand how you get "races" out of the word "very". Isn't that just an assumption? Also, you can have generations without people around. Non-human animals have generations too. Sorry, but I feel like that interpretation is a stretch. I understand why someone made the stretch... because someone had to do something to try and make it seem logical. But really, why would the Bible not even mention humans while they were created and then thrived? I mean, I'm not saying that your interpretation of the literary work is wrong... But as a book that is true, it makes no sense. As a book that isn't true, it makes a lot of sense.

I didn't post the whole Chapter 1 of Genesis. The word very is about how pleased He was at the end of that 6th day after He had created all the different races. He had created cattle and every land animal, every fish, & great whales of the seas. He had created all the fruit bering trees with the seeds of their kind in the fruit, and every herb. He had created fishermen, hunters & gathers but not a farmer yet. That's what Adam was. Eth ha adom means Rudy complected which is to say to show blood in the face. What race blushes? Nothing superior about it. But that's what it was, the white race to till the ground. Other races at the time had spacific things to do based on their region.
Again He looked and said it was very good. Which is why no one has to apologise for their ethnicity.
You had fishermen, & rice growers in one region, hunters and gathers in another, and then the upland farmers. Adam and Eve and the garden of Eden hadn't even occured yet.
Adom & Eve came later.
My point of this whole thing is to show that Adam & Eve were not the first 2 people, & incest wasn't necessary.

I don't recall any of that in Genesis?

rgambs said:

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

I don't understand how you get "races" out of the word "very". Isn't that just an assumption? Also, you can have generations without people around. Non-human animals have generations too. Sorry, but I feel like that interpretation is a stretch. I understand why someone made the stretch... because someone had to do something to try and make it seem logical. But really, why would the Bible not even mention humans while they were created and then thrived? I mean, I'm not saying that your interpretation of the literary work is wrong... But as a book that is true, it makes no sense. As a book that isn't true, it makes a lot of sense.

I didn't post the whole Chapter 1 of Genesis. The word very is about how pleased He was at the end of that 6th day after He had created all the different races. He had created cattle and every land animal, every fish, & great whales of the seas. He had created all the fruit bering trees with the seeds of their kind in the fruit, and every herb. He had created fishermen, hunters & gathers but not a farmer yet. That's what Adam was. Eth ha adom means Rudy complected which is to say to show blood in the face. What race blushes? Nothing superior about it. But that's what it was, the white race to till the ground. Other races at the time had spacific things to do based on their region.
Again He looked and said it was very good. Which is why no one has to apologise for their ethnicity.
You had fishermen, & rice growers in one region, hunters and gathers in another, and then the upland farmers. Adam and Eve and the garden of Eden hadn't even occured yet.
Adom & Eve came later.
My point of this whole thing is to show that Adam & Eve were not the first 2 people, & incest wasn't necessary.

I don't recall any of that in Genesis?
Ok.

RYME · July 2017

I'll try one more time. You don't recall any of this in Genesis. It's the first & second chapter. It's all there. But there are certain words there that need to be translated to Hebrew so you can fully understand what it's saying.
This man, "the man", which in the Hebrew is "eth-ha'adham",
(The ruddy-complexioned, liable to blush red in the face, man), was formed by God for a spacific purpose. God did not have a man to till the ground, in other words, a farmer.
He already had men which He created to have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, (these are the different races) and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
This "man, Adam", He placed in a special garden. He formed this man. He created the males and the females, and the races on the sixth day, and then rested on the seventh day. He did not form "the man , Adam, until after He rested.

oftenreading · July 2017

RYME said:

I'll try one more time. You don't recall any of this in Genesis. It's the first & second chapter. It's all there. But there are certain words there that need to be translated to Hebrew so you can fully understand what it's saying.
This man, "the man", which in the Hebrew is "eth-ha'adham",
(The ruddy-complexioned, liable to blush red in the face, man), was formed by God for a spacific purpose. God did not have a man to till the ground, in other words, a farmer.
He already had men which He created to have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, (these are the different races) and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
This "man, Adam", He placed in a special garden. He formed this man. He created the males and the females, and the races on the sixth day, and then rested on the seventh day. He did not form "the man , Adam, until after He rested.

Just so I'm clear - you say "translated to Hebrew". Are you sure you mean this? Because the original texts were not written in English, to be translated to Hebrew; they were written in Hebrew and Aramaic (OT) and Greek (NT), going through many iterations before being translated to English.

If you're going to claim scholarship here, please be accurate.

brianlux · July 2017

RYME said:

I'll try one more time. You don't recall any of this in Genesis. It's the first & second chapter. It's all there. But there are certain words there that need to be translated to Hebrew so you can fully understand what it's saying.
This man, "the man", which in the Hebrew is "eth-ha'adham",
(The ruddy-complexioned, liable to blush red in the face, man), was formed by God for a spacific purpose. God did not have a man to till the ground, in other words, a farmer.
He already had men which He created to have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, (these are the different races) and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
This "man, Adam", He placed in a special garden. He formed this man. He created the males and the females, and the races on the sixth day, and then rested on the seventh day. He did not form "the man , Adam, until after He rested.

Humans began the practice of agriculture in various regions of the world (around 9,500 to 11,000 BC). That eventually led to our ability to sustain an over-bloated population- for a time. It's how we live today. But some good arguments have been made that suggest humans were doing quite well in pre-agricultural times. Richard Manning presents an excellent argument along these lines in his fine book, Against the Grain: How Agriculture Has Hijacked Civilization. Manning actually asserts that humans were at our most human, that we were smarter stronger and more in tune with nature as hunter gatherers. If God made us agriculturalists, I would have to assume that was not necessarily done in our best interest. But of course I don't believe any god gave us agriculture. Sadly, cultivation and animal husbandry have done much to separate us from nature's path and the its cycles and balances.

RYME · July 2017

oftenreading said:

RYME said:

I'll try one more time. You don't recall any of this in Genesis. It's the first & second chapter. It's all there. But there are certain words there that need to be translated to Hebrew so you can fully understand what it's saying.
This man, "the man", which in the Hebrew is "eth-ha'adham",
(The ruddy-complexioned, liable to blush red in the face, man), was formed by God for a spacific purpose. God did not have a man to till the ground, in other words, a farmer.
He already had men which He created to have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, (these are the different races) and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
This "man, Adam", He placed in a special garden. He formed this man. He created the males and the females, and the races on the sixth day, and then rested on the seventh day. He did not form "the man , Adam, until after He rested.

Just so I'm clear - you say "translated to Hebrew". Are you sure you mean this? Because the original texts were not written in English, to be translated to Hebrew; they were written in Hebrew and Aramaic (OT) and Greek (NT), going through many iterations before being translated to English.

If you're going to claim scholarship here, please be accurate.

Please, I'm not a Harvard graduate I drive a semi truck, & I own a few horses so cut me some slack lol, no I appreciate you making sure I get it right..So hopefully I can maintain some sort of credibility.
I probably stated it wrong as I was starting to dose off last night. Why I loose sleep over this I don't know.
There are some words in the KJB that were simply translated wrong from Hebrew to English, and so on. And in some cases, in order to accurately understand what it's saying, I use a Strong's exhaustive Concordance (and my grandma's study bible which had a lot of these corrections in it on sticky notes already.) I also look up words when I'm curious.
where you can go and see the word in English next to the Hebrew word Greek or Aramaic and see what it meant which in some cases makes a world of difference.
For instance Genesis chapter 1 verse 1 God created the heavens and the Earth.
Verse 2 and the world (was) void and without form. That word (was) is wrong, and it needs to be corrected for the subject to be correct. It should have said (became) void and without form He didn't create the world void. But thanks for keeping me on my toes I appreciate that really.

rgambs · July 2017

RYME said:

rgambs said:

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

So Adam and Eve's kids all had sex with each other. Incest is best!.

No that was the point of my last post.
The races are 6th day creation. God rested on the 7th day. Adam & Eve were during the 8th day. Again these "days" aren't 24 hour periods.
There were lots of people around by the time Adom & Eve arrived. Cane eventually slew Abel and went to the Land of Nod which had already been populated.
At the end of the 6th day
Genesis 1 vs 31
And God saw everything that he had made and behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. That word very is very significant. He's talking about the races. He created the different races because He wanted it that way. And He called it very good. Now,
Genesis chapter 2 vs 4
These are the generations of the heavens and the Earth when they were created in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. (You can't have Generations without people around)
5 and every plant of the field before it was in the earth and every herb of the field before it grew; the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the Earth and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 but there went up a mist from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 and the Lord God formed man (Adam) (to till and farm the ground) of the Dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the Breath of Life; and the man became a living soul.
(Adam) pronounced (Eth ha adom)
Took him to the Garden of Eden and it goes on from there.

RYME said:

PJ_Soul said:

So Adam and Eve's kids all had sex with each other. Incest is best!.

No that was the point of my last post.
The races are 6th day creation. God rested on the 7th day. Adam & Eve were during the 8th day. Again these "days" aren't 24 hour periods.
There were lots of people around by the time Adom & Eve arrived. Cane eventually slew Abel and went to the Land of Nod which had already been populated.
At the end of the 6th day
Genesis 1 vs 31
And God saw everything that he had made and behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. That word very is very significant. He's talking about the races. He created the different races because He wanted it that way. And He called it very good. Now,
Genesis chapter 2 vs 4
These are the generations of the heavens and the Earth when they were created in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. (You can't have Generations without people around)
5 and every plant of the field before it was in the earth and every herb of the field before it grew; the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the Earth and there was not a man to till the ground.
6 but there went up a mist from the earth and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 and the Lord God formed man (Adam) (to till and farm the ground) of the Dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the Breath of Life; and the man became a living soul.
(Adam) pronounced (Eth ha adom)
Took him to the Garden of Eden and it goes on from there.

Generations, in this case, is obviously a synonym to "creations".

The case that the "days" aren't 24 hour periods is incredibly flimsy, and it's taking quite a bit of liberty with interpreting the meaning. The Bible is specific about evenings and mornings, why would it specify "days" if it didn't mean days?

Flimsy?
GOD prepares the earth
And God said, Let there be light:" and there was light.
First Day - Darkness and Light. Night and Day
Second Day - Waters. Division between them.
Third Day - Dry land. Fruit from it.
Fourth Day - The Sun, moon and stars.
Fifth Day - Waters - Life from the waters, fowl and cattle and every creeping critter.
Sixth Day - Mankind: all races.
That can't be done in 144 hours.

No, it can't.
So why did the Bible claim that it was?

Also, how was there night and day and fruit from the land without the Sun?
A rational mind has to accept that it is just a creation myth just like every other creation myth.
It's a fun campfire story that inspires people to think of things larger than themselves. Nothing more.

ponytd · July 2017

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

So Adam and Eve's kids all had sex with each other. Incest is best!.

It's not worth it PJ_Soul. No longer must a platform be given to flat-earthers, 2000yr old earth believers, god believers etc. It is time for them to provide the truth. Not us. I am w/ you 100% on your thoughts about god and religion. (whether you like it or not I'm not sure)

I like it just fine PJfan. And I agree, the burden of proof is absolutely on them... I just don't know how to convince them of that. I want to, because I would like to see them actually try. Like try for real, lol. Quoting the Bible obviously doesn't cut it. And I am very secure in my Atheism, so I don't expect believers actually trying to find evidence to produce any proof of the existence of God obviously ... but I think it would be extremely interesting to see what they came up with in the effort!

We can't prove that he exists, any more than you can prove he doesn't. The only proof I have is that the Bible tells me he exists. Is that 100% concrete evidence that he does? Nope. It was a book written by man. But I choose to believe it. Does that make me a lesser person for believing in God? If it does, so be it. I don't believe out of fear, or because it's easy. It's not easy. Hell, right now you're probably thinking "this guy's an idiot for believing in some invisible "magic" man in the clouds". That's fine if you're thinking that too. It's not going to hurt me or make me not believe in God.

On the subject though, there's a good article I read a few years ago from Ethan Siegel about questions he hears from creationists/people who believe in God about proving or disproving things
https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/22-messages-of-hope-and-science-for-creationists-8712e42fbb0d

Gern Blansten · July 2017

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/number.html

Here's a good list of contradictions in the bible.

brianlux · July 2017

I find it a bit strange that creationists take the word of one book regarding how life came to be on earth when there are literally thousands of others from a scientific viewpoint that explain how it evolved. The weight of evidence supporting evolution rather than creation is astounding. How does one ignore that? Once a person understands that, understands something as basic as evolution, it seems to me it would follow that, other than the parts that are verified by other accounts of history, everything else the Bible says would come into question. A little logic goes a long way.

And this: Religion tells people it is wrong to question the Bible. If there is a God, and that God is benevolent, why would that God punish people for using the intellect they were given to question things, even the Bible which was written by other people? That makes no sense. That kind of God would be absurd.

Gern Blansten · July 2017

brianlux said:

I find it a bit strange that creationists take the word of one book regarding how life came to be on earth when there are literally thousands of others from a scientific viewpoint that explain how it evolved. The weight of evidence supporting evolution rather than creation is astounding. How does one ignore that? Once a person understands that, understands something as basic as evolution, it seems to me it would follow that, other than the parts that are verified by other accounts of history, everything else the Bible says would come into question. A little logic goes a long way.

And this: Religion tells people it is wrong to question the Bible. If there is a God, and that God is benevolent, why would that God punish people for using the intellect they were given to question things, even the Bible which was written by other people? That makes no sense. That kind of God would be absurd.

yeah I don't get it...in a few hundred years I would think most "religions" will be history

PJ_Soul · July 2017

ponytd said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

So Adam and Eve's kids all had sex with each other. Incest is best!.

It's not worth it PJ_Soul. No longer must a platform be given to flat-earthers, 2000yr old earth believers, god believers etc. It is time for them to provide the truth. Not us. I am w/ you 100% on your thoughts about god and religion. (whether you like it or not I'm not sure)

I like it just fine PJfan. And I agree, the burden of proof is absolutely on them... I just don't know how to convince them of that. I want to, because I would like to see them actually try. Like try for real, lol. Quoting the Bible obviously doesn't cut it. And I am very secure in my Atheism, so I don't expect believers actually trying to find evidence to produce any proof of the existence of God obviously ... but I think it would be extremely interesting to see what they came up with in the effort!

We can't prove that he exists, any more than you can prove he doesn't. The only proof I have is that the Bible tells me he exists. Is that 100% concrete evidence that he does? Nope. It was a book written by man. But I choose to believe it. Does that make me a lesser person for believing in God? If it does, so be it. I don't believe out of fear, or because it's easy. It's not easy. Hell, right now you're probably thinking "this guy's an idiot for believing in some invisible "magic" man in the clouds". That's fine if you're thinking that too. It's not going to hurt me or make me not believe in God.

On the subject though, there's a good article I read a few years ago from Ethan Siegel about questions he hears from creationists/people who believe in God about proving or disproving things
https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/22-messages-of-hope-and-science-for-creationists-8712e42fbb0d

I know you can't prove he exists. That's what I said. Suggesting the Bible is proof in any way, shape, or form is nonsensical. It's like me saying I can prove vampires exist or believe vampires exist because of Stephen King's Salem's Lot.
For the record, I do not think for a second that I'm going to convince religious people of anything. Nor does the word "idiot" enter my mind.

Gern Blansten · July 2017

ponytd said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

So Adam and Eve's kids all had sex with each other. Incest is best!.

It's not worth it PJ_Soul. No longer must a platform be given to flat-earthers, 2000yr old earth believers, god believers etc. It is time for them to provide the truth. Not us. I am w/ you 100% on your thoughts about god and religion. (whether you like it or not I'm not sure)

I like it just fine PJfan. And I agree, the burden of proof is absolutely on them... I just don't know how to convince them of that. I want to, because I would like to see them actually try. Like try for real, lol. Quoting the Bible obviously doesn't cut it. And I am very secure in my Atheism, so I don't expect believers actually trying to find evidence to produce any proof of the existence of God obviously ... but I think it would be extremely interesting to see what they came up with in the effort!

We can't prove that he exists, any more than you can prove he doesn't. The only proof I have is that the Bible tells me he exists. Is that 100% concrete evidence that he does? Nope. It was a book written by man. But I choose to believe it. Does that make me a lesser person for believing in God? If it does, so be it. I don't believe out of fear, or because it's easy. It's not easy. Hell, right now you're probably thinking "this guy's an idiot for believing in some invisible "magic" man in the clouds". That's fine if you're thinking that too. It's not going to hurt me or make me not believe in God.

On the subject though, there's a good article I read a few years ago from Ethan Siegel about questions he hears from creationists/people who believe in God about proving or disproving things
https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/22-messages-of-hope-and-science-for-creationists-8712e42fbb0d

The bible proves that "he" exists and science proves that it doesn't.

How do you reconcile the story of Mithra which predates Christ to believing in Christ? Why don't you believe in Mithra?

Annafalk · July 2017

If people don't believe in God, they don't believe they are created for any special purpose.
And even if they don't believe, they must think it's pretty incredible that we actually are here !
If death means only death, Won't death feel very scary, when it's the ultimate stop?
Isn't it sad to think life is only a coincidence.

Even how hard I try I can't imagine how it would be to not exist, and I have very good imagination.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · July 2017

^^^

Well since I'm in jail one of the conditions are that a posters signature is not shown when posting. Never understood that until now.
It states "Either we are alone in the universe or we are not. Both ideas are overwhelming" - Albert Einstein

The Concept of God

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