The Concept of God

jeffbr

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

Is this supposed to be fun? 

I think discussing religion, debating religion, arguing about religion, and mocking religion is very fun indeed!

brianlux said:

Annafalk said:

Is this supposed to be fun? 

Sure!  As Kurt Vonnegut (one of my gods) once said, "We're here to fart around".

I've been thinking about this. I believe God wants us to be happy and laugh a lot. We are created with a sense of humor for a reason. If it's not humor at the expense of others, if they get hurt by it, why not.
I also think it's important to discuss and reflect on religion.  

We have a sense of humor because we have highly functioning brains.  

Do you suppose other animals have a sense of humor?  I think so.

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

Is this supposed to be fun? 

I think discussing religion, debating religion, arguing about religion, and mocking religion is very fun indeed!

brianlux said:

Annafalk said:

Is this supposed to be fun? 

Sure!  As Kurt Vonnegut (one of my gods) once said, "We're here to fart around".

I've been thinking about this. I believe God wants us to be happy and laugh a lot. We are created with a sense of humor for a reason. If it's not humor at the expense of others, if they get hurt by it, why not.
I also think it's important to discuss and reflect on religion.  

I'm guessing pre-historic humans had a sense of humor but before that?  I don't know if other animals have a sense of humor and since we evolved from what are referred to as "lower" life forms, I would think it's difficult to say exactly when humor became part of our make up.

In any case, as a species, humor is one of our "saving graces".

I agree that laughing at another persons misfortune or pain or hurting in wrong.  But where to draw the line is difficult.  I find it hard to say it is wrong to make fun of a fool or someone who has wronged me or something like that.

yes but a creationist will believe that we all came from Adam and Eve...therefore there are no pre-historic humans

People still believe that??

Check out the Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter....crazy shit.  The CM actually has displays showing humans riding dinosaurs.  Cuz that happened.

Haha, yup. And check out Young Earth creationism. Those wackadoodles believe that the earth is actually less than 10,000 years old and that god literally created the earth in 7 24 hour days. They tend to fancy themselves as scholars even though no actual science supports this lunacy.

FoxyRedLa

Those participating in this thread are allowed to hand out bully type wedgies? Love me some double standards. Everyone has something they believe in - life after death or not. 

brianlux

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

Is this supposed to be fun? 

I think discussing religion, debating religion, arguing about religion, and mocking religion is very fun indeed!

brianlux said:

Annafalk said:

Is this supposed to be fun? 

Sure!  As Kurt Vonnegut (one of my gods) once said, "We're here to fart around".

I've been thinking about this. I believe God wants us to be happy and laugh a lot. We are created with a sense of humor for a reason. If it's not humor at the expense of others, if they get hurt by it, why not.
I also think it's important to discuss and reflect on religion.  

We have a sense of humor because we have highly functioning brains.  

Do you suppose other animals have a sense of humor?  I think so.

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

Is this supposed to be fun? 

I think discussing religion, debating religion, arguing about religion, and mocking religion is very fun indeed!

brianlux said:

Annafalk said:

Is this supposed to be fun? 

Sure!  As Kurt Vonnegut (one of my gods) once said, "We're here to fart around".

I've been thinking about this. I believe God wants us to be happy and laugh a lot. We are created with a sense of humor for a reason. If it's not humor at the expense of others, if they get hurt by it, why not.
I also think it's important to discuss and reflect on religion.  

I'm guessing pre-historic humans had a sense of humor but before that?  I don't know if other animals have a sense of humor and since we evolved from what are referred to as "lower" life forms, I would think it's difficult to say exactly when humor became part of our make up.

In any case, as a species, humor is one of our "saving graces".

I agree that laughing at another persons misfortune or pain or hurting in wrong.  But where to draw the line is difficult.  I find it hard to say it is wrong to make fun of a fool or someone who has wronged me or something like that.

yes but a creationist will believe that we all came from Adam and Eve...therefore there are no pre-historic humans

People still believe that??

Check out the Creation Museum and the Ark Encounter....crazy shit.  The CM actually has displays showing humans riding dinosaurs.  Cuz that happened.

Oh yeah, I forget about that place, the one's who denied the existence of Dinosaur Jr!

oftenreading

FoxyRedLa said:

Those participating in this thread are allowed to hand out bully type wedgies? Love me some double standards. Everyone has something they believe in - life after death or not. 

Where's the double standard? No one here is arguing that anyone needs to respect without question or debate their non-belief in god. 

dignin

oftenreading said:

FoxyRedLa said:

Those participating in this thread are allowed to hand out bully type wedgies? Love me some double standards. Everyone has something they believe in - life after death or not. 

Where's the double standard? No one here is arguing that anyone needs to respect without question or debate their non-belief in god. 

I will, just out of spite.

brianlux

FoxyRedLa said:

Those participating in this thread are allowed to hand out bully type wedgies? Love me some double standards. Everyone has something they believe in - life after death or not. 

Speaking for myself, FoxyRedLa, nothing I say is meant to be bullying at all and not directed at anyone individually.  No personal attacks.  But I will harshly criticize a belief system I see as controlling, manipulating and/ or harmful.  I see all fundamentalism of every ilk to be all of those things. 

FoxyRedLa

oftenreading said:

FoxyRedLa said:

Those participating in this thread are allowed to hand out bully type wedgies? Love me some double standards. Everyone has something they believe in - life after death or not. 

Where's the double standard? No one here is arguing that anyone needs to respect without question or debate their non-belief in god. 

I've lost count of how many times the word crazy has been used. Doesn't matter right. We're allowed to believe what we want as long as we agree with each other, right?

FoxyRedLa

brianlux said:

FoxyRedLa said:

Those participating in this thread are allowed to hand out bully type wedgies? Love me some double standards. Everyone has something they believe in - life after death or not. 

Speaking for myself, FoxyRedLa, nothing I say is meant to be bullying at all and not directed at anyone individually.  No personal attacks.  But I will harshly criticize a belief system I see as controlling, manipulating and/ or harmful.  I see all fundamentalism of every ilk to be all of those things. 

I know you aren't pointing fingers.

Just in general I'm tired of reading comments about how great PJ fans are. We're all so open minded and loving and tolerant of differing thoughts/opinions/beliefs/goals. 

Barf. Smoke and mirrors. 

And I encourage anyone to post any opinion they have even if I don't agree with - but when it keeps getting posted and then posted again using different words and then turns ugly because they again have to stay someone is crazy and I'm right and fuck you. Well fuck.

PJ_Soul

But I do think it's crazy. I sincerely couldn't care less if you don't like that. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I suppose you're entitled to come and brow-beat me for it with a dose of holier-than-thou-ness, but it's kind of a drag. There is NO way I'm going to allow the PC police to keep me from calling out blatantly ridiculous shit that has a major effect on the world, or from expressing my justified views on the subject.

jeffbr

FoxyRedLa said:

oftenreading said:

FoxyRedLa said:

Those participating in this thread are allowed to hand out bully type wedgies? Love me some double standards. Everyone has something they believe in - life after death or not. 

Where's the double standard? No one here is arguing that anyone needs to respect without question or debate their non-belief in god. 

I've lost count of how many times the word crazy has been used. Doesn't matter right. We're allowed to believe what we want as long as we agree with each other, right?

Well, I said wackadoodle, not crazy. But I firmly believe that anyone who is a proponent of Young Earth creationism has to be a bit of a nutter. They have to have a tremendous amount of cognitive dissonance and the ability to suspend disbelief in the face of overwhelming science, fact and reality. I'm not saying all or even most people who believe in god are crazy. I'm not saying all or even most people who belong to various religions are crazy. But I maintain that some of the more devout, fundamentalist types who completely ignore reality and believe in irrational or nonsensical things are a little bit touched.

PJ_Soul

None of us are obligated to respect ideas that are stupid. We should respect the right of people to believe what they want, but no way do we have to respect their actual beliefs. If something isn't worthy of respect, then it shouldn't get any.
This has nothing to do with "being allowed" to do anything. I never understood why people tend to equate "I don't like your opinion or ideas" with "You're not allowed to have an opinion or your own ideas".

FoxyRedLa

PJ_Soul said:

But I do think it's crazy. I sincerely couldn't care less if you don't like that. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I suppose you're entitled to come and brow-beat me for it with a dose of holier-than-thou-ness, but it's kind of a drag. There is NO way I'm going to allow the PC police to keep me from calling out blatantly ridiculous shit that has a major effect on the world, or from expressing my justified views on the subject.

I don't remember reading any brow beating posts directed specific to you.

I am not policing this thread. I posted an observation. 

PJ_Soul said:

None of us are obligated to respect ideas that are stupid. We should respect the right of people to believe what they want, but no way do we have to respect their actual beliefs. If something isn't worthy of respect, then it shouldn't get any.
This has nothing to do with "being allowed" to do anything. I never understood why people tend to equate "I don't like your opinion or ideas" with "You're not allowed to have an opinion or your own ideas".

My observation was the lack of respect of what some people in this thread believe. 

I personally do not equate your example above. Why can't some just post an opinion and leave it at that? There has to always be a zinger. 

Even if you are generalizing statements/your opinions why such a hateful approach? Some here believe in energy so why cast out angry vibes? 

There's a difference between posting an opinion/statement and just being flat out nasty.

But you sincerely don't care what a stranger likes so don't be all bent out of shape when get your treatment in return. 

FoxyRedLa

jeffbr said:

FoxyRedLa said:

oftenreading said:

FoxyRedLa said:

Those participating in this thread are allowed to hand out bully type wedgies? Love me some double standards. Everyone has something they believe in - life after death or not. 

Where's the double standard? No one here is arguing that anyone needs to respect without question or debate their non-belief in god. 

I've lost count of how many times the word crazy has been used. Doesn't matter right. We're allowed to believe what we want as long as we agree with each other, right?

Well, I said wackadoodle, not crazy. But I firmly believe that anyone who is a proponent of Young Earth creationism has to be a bit of a nutter. They have to have a tremendous amount of cognitive dissonance and the ability to suspend disbelief in the face of overwhelming science, fact and reality. I'm not saying all or even most people who believe in god are crazy. I'm not saying all or even most people who belong to various religions are crazy. But I maintain that some of the more devout, fundamentalist types who completely ignore reality and believe in irrational or nonsensical things are a little bit touched.

I do get all of your points of different extremes. My opinion is its bogus to bring people down, specifically here.

PJ_Soul

FoxyRedLa said:

PJ_Soul said:

But I do think it's crazy. I sincerely couldn't care less if you don't like that. It's my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I suppose you're entitled to come and brow-beat me for it with a dose of holier-than-thou-ness, but it's kind of a drag. There is NO way I'm going to allow the PC police to keep me from calling out blatantly ridiculous shit that has a major effect on the world, or from expressing my justified views on the subject.

I don't remember reading any brow beating posts directed specific to you.

I am not policing this thread. I posted an observation. 

PJ_Soul said:

None of us are obligated to respect ideas that are stupid. We should respect the right of people to believe what they want, but no way do we have to respect their actual beliefs. If something isn't worthy of respect, then it shouldn't get any.
This has nothing to do with "being allowed" to do anything. I never understood why people tend to equate "I don't like your opinion or ideas" with "You're not allowed to have an opinion or your own ideas".

My observation was the lack of respect of what some people in this thread believe. 

I personally do not equate your example above. Why can't some just post an opinion and leave it at that? There has to always be a zinger. 

Even if you are generalizing statements/your opinions why such a hateful approach? Some here believe in energy so why cast out angry vibes? 

There's a difference between posting an opinion/statement and just being flat out nasty.

But you sincerely don't care what a stranger likes so don't be all bent out of shape when get your treatment in return. 

I really don't even know what you're talking about now. I haven't been hateful or angry for even one second in this thread, and I haven't noticed anyone else doing that either. But at any rate, I definitely stand by everything I've said - they are indeed just my opinions. (I personally thought this thread was going just fine. There are many WAY more angry comments/threads in this forum - hell, we've got a full blown racist spouting off around here - so I'm not sure why you've decided to pipe up about it in this one in particular).

FoxyRedLa

Your posts above come off angry. Before those no there weren't angry posts but hateful ones. And why can't an opinion just be that? Why always the negative bs? There is no longer a discussion going on in this thread.

I do not know which thread the full blown racist is in. And I don't feel anyone in this thread is racist. I'm just tired of reading post after post with intentions of bringing people down. There is a difference between fun humor and what I feel when I read some of these posts. But again it was an opinion. 

I can't keep up with all of the different threads. There are so many. I did not randomly pick this thread to say anything. I've been following this thread. 

My only point was I hate reading the bully type posts here on this site. I do understand it's all over the different places here. I see the closed threads. It is not possible for me to keep up with all on each differ section. 

goldrush

PJfanwillneverleave1

catfight!

brianlux

Time for a little chill break in this thread.  I suggest some music.  How's about "Peas in the Valley"?

PJfanwillneverleave1

^^^
I thought about that same thought for a second.  Then I remembered that PJ_Soul has a very good point.  I can't stand people that don't believe facts. (not you directly FoxyRedLa if you're reading this, although you are now posting in AMT).  It is time for the believers to give proof. Not the other way around.  

brianlux

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

^^^
I thought about that same thought for a second.  Then I remembered that PJ_Soul has a very good point.  I can't stand people that don't believe facts. (not you directly FoxyRedLa if you're reading this, although you are now posting in AMT).  It is time for the believers to give proof. Not the other way around.  

Don't hold your breath, can't happen. 

But do take a deep breath and get ready to sing!

...and a one and a two...