Temple Of The Dog 2

bootlegger10 · May 2017

There will never be a Temple of the Dog 2. It is not 1991 anymore where there are a bunch of anonymous musicians who can make music for the love of making music and to honor their friend.

Maybe it could happen but I highly doubt there could be something as organic and special as TOTD again. I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready). It is natural after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

Stryker · May 2017

bootlegger10 said:

I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready). It is natural after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

I couldn't possibly disagree with this statement more.

bootlegger10 · May 2017

Stryker said:

bootlegger10 said:

I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready). It is natural after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

I couldn't possibly disagree with this statement more.

The facts don't back you up though.

You would think that if people really wanted to make a record together, and they tour about 6 weeks on average a year and have the rest of the year to devote to their interests, would make a damn record. I'm not knocking the band. I'm just giving my opinion based on what I see. Usually if people really want to do something, and they have the time and money to do it, they would do it. Remember, it takes them 3-6 weeks of studio time to record an album based on what they said about Lightning Bolt being done in two 3 week sessions. We all spend most of our life working when we don't want to. If we had the time and money we wouldn't work so much and do stuff we really wanted to do. It sounds like Pearl Jam doesn't want to spend their whole life being Pearl Jam and have the time and money not to.

First 12 years: 7 albums

Ten - 1991

Vs. - 1993

Vitalogy - 1994

No Code - 1996

Yield - 1998

Binaural - 2000

Riot Act - 2002

Last 16 years: 4 albums

Pearl Jam - 2006

Backspacer - 2009

Lightning Bolt - 2013

New album - 2018 probably

Wilds · May 2017

bootlegger10 said:

Stryker said:

bootlegger10 said:

I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready). It is natural after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

I couldn't possibly disagree with this statement more.

The facts don't back you up though.
You would think that if people really wanted to make a record together, and they tour about 6 weeks on average a year and have the rest of the year to devote to their interests, would make a damn record. I'm not knocking the band. I'm just giving my opinion based on what I see. Usually if people really want to do something, and they have the time and money to do it, they would do it. Remember, it takes them 3-6 weeks of studio time to record an album based on what they said about Lightning Bolt being done in two 3 week sessions. We all spend most of our life working when we don't want to. If we had the time and money we wouldn't work so much and do stuff we really wanted to do. It sounds like Pearl Jam doesn't want to spend their whole life being Pearl Jam and have the time and money not to.
First 12 years: 7 albums
Ten - 1991
Vs. - 1993
Vitalogy - 1994
No Code - 1996
Yield - 1998
Binaural - 2000
Riot Act - 2002
Last 16 years: 4 albums
Pearl Jam - 2006
Backspacer - 2009
Lightning Bolt - 2013
New album - 2018 probably

There has also been a lot of solo material from the musicians in Pearl Jam post 2002.

DL136722 · May 2017

You guy's can't be serious, right? New albums? TOTD 2? I'm not sure all of you get the gravity of this moment, get your shit together everyone. Way too soon to have any thoughts along any of these lines.

I know it's not done on purpose but comes across as insensitive and just plain ignorant. Do what you want, free country, each individuals as Ed would say, but just doesn't seem right, sorry, just my thoughts on this particular subject, again, to each their own

HughFreakingDillon · May 2017

bootlegger10 said:

Stryker said:

bootlegger10 said:

I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready). It is natural after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

I couldn't possibly disagree with this statement more.

The facts don't back you up though.
You would think that if people really wanted to make a record together, and they tour about 6 weeks on average a year and have the rest of the year to devote to their interests, would make a damn record. I'm not knocking the band. I'm just giving my opinion based on what I see. Usually if people really want to do something, and they have the time and money to do it, they would do it. Remember, it takes them 3-6 weeks of studio time to record an album based on what they said about Lightning Bolt being done in two 3 week sessions. We all spend most of our life working when we don't want to. If we had the time and money we wouldn't work so much and do stuff we really wanted to do. It sounds like Pearl Jam doesn't want to spend their whole life being Pearl Jam and have the time and money not to.
First 12 years: 7 albums
Ten - 1991
Vs. - 1993
Vitalogy - 1994
No Code - 1996
Yield - 1998
Binaural - 2000
Riot Act - 2002
Last 16 years: 4 albums
Pearl Jam - 2006
Backspacer - 2009
Lightning Bolt - 2013
New album - 2018 probably

the real fact that is being missed here: at least one band member hates touring (the travel portion of it). when you record an album, that's when the machine kicks into high gear. promotional videos need to be done, promo spots need to be scheduled, and then jeff's work with all the art and merch and whatnot; it's not just 'let's bang out a record and play a few dates'. there's a tonne of work that goes into it. at this point, that part is maybe less appealing to them.

if they wanted to, they could pull an rem and just put out a record and not tour. but that would be devastating for fans. and i'm sure they still love performing. you can't pull off 3 hour shows with a smile on your face and sweat in your eyes and not dig it.

mcgruff10 · May 2017

DL136722 said:

You guy's can't be serious, right? New albums? TOTD 2? I'm not sure all of you get the gravity of this moment, get your shit together everyone. Way too soon to have any thoughts along any of these lines.

I know it's not done on purpose but comes across as insensitive and just plain ignorant. Do what you want, free country, each individuals as Ed would say, but just doesn't seem right, sorry, just my thoughts on this particular subject, again, to each their own

why is it ignorant and insensitive to think that pearl jam could write an album for chris as they did once before for andy?

JDime20 · May 2017

Didn't Ed once say that the best music is the kind that makes you feel something? I'm sure they're all feeling a lot right now and a lot of good music good come out of it. Regardless of when, the question was going to get asked and I don't believe it was insensitive at all. It's not like he pulled them aside on the street and asked them personally. He asked the question to his peers in a fan club that were likely all thinking the same thing. While I don't see TOTD2 or any variation happening, I think it's a legitimate thought.

My grandpa died last year and I had to go back to work a few days later and sit in front of a computer staring at spreadsheets from 8-5. The band is in a unique situation where they don't have to punch a clock and can go at their own pace. I'm sure their writing process is a type of therapy to them and the work they do influences countless people in positive ways, many of which are on this forum. I'm sure they want to release new material as much as we want them to, but they're going to do it at their pace, which is more than beyond acceptable.

bootlegger10 · May 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

Stryker said:

bootlegger10 said:

I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready). It is natural after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

I couldn't possibly disagree with this statement more.

The facts don't back you up though.
You would think that if people really wanted to make a record together, and they tour about 6 weeks on average a year and have the rest of the year to devote to their interests, would make a damn record. I'm not knocking the band. I'm just giving my opinion based on what I see. Usually if people really want to do something, and they have the time and money to do it, they would do it. Remember, it takes them 3-6 weeks of studio time to record an album based on what they said about Lightning Bolt being done in two 3 week sessions. We all spend most of our life working when we don't want to. If we had the time and money we wouldn't work so much and do stuff we really wanted to do. It sounds like Pearl Jam doesn't want to spend their whole life being Pearl Jam and have the time and money not to.
First 12 years: 7 albums
Ten - 1991
Vs. - 1993
Vitalogy - 1994
No Code - 1996
Yield - 1998
Binaural - 2000
Riot Act - 2002
Last 16 years: 4 albums
Pearl Jam - 2006
Backspacer - 2009
Lightning Bolt - 2013
New album - 2018 probably

the real fact that is being missed here: at least one band member hates touring (the travel portion of it). when you record an album, that's when the machine kicks into high gear. promotional videos need to be done, promo spots need to be scheduled, and then jeff's work with all the art and merch and whatnot; it's not just 'let's bang out a record and play a few dates'. there's a tonne of work that goes into it. at this point, that part is maybe less appealing to them.

if they wanted to, they could pull an rem and just put out a record and not tour. but that would be devastating for fans. and i'm sure they still love performing. you can't pull off 3 hour shows with a smile on your face and sweat in your eyes and not dig it.

Nothing you said is inconsistent with my point, but additional reasons that support my point. The point being they don't have a passion to join together as Pearl Jam to make a record.

They still like music and do solo stuff, but I am referring to Pearl Jam.

mcgruff10 · May 2017

The vast majority of us have less than ten work days to grieve a child, mother, or father before heading back to work so it boggles my mind that some of you think it is insensitive or ignorant to ask musicians to come together and create songs to mourn a fellow musician.

bootlegger10 · May 2017

mcgruff10 said:

The vast majority of us have less than ten work days to grieve a child, mother, or father before heading back to work so it boggles my mind that some of you think it is insensitive or ignorant to ask musicians to come together and create songs to mourn a fellow musician.

I agree. Maybe they write a few songs for a single but I would expect there will be a song on the next album that pays tribute. Would be interesting to have a collaboration of Kim Thayil and Be Shepherd with PJ.

Bulldog88 · May 2017

The difference between "have to" and "ready to" is vast. Most of us have had to go back to work long before we were ready after losing someone, due to not being able to support our lifestyle if we did not. Pearl Jam does not have this pressure impending on the time they would like to take to grieve this loss. I think some folks here are trying to be sensitive to the fact that it will not be 'business as usual' for quite sometime, and that is personal and up to each of them.

Aafke · May 2017

I think it is entirely up to each individual to grieve in his or her own way, TOTD was was the way Chris Cornell and the remaining members of Mother Love Bone, grieved about the loss of Andy Woods. They made a jewel out of their grieving proces. But I don't think it is right to expect, PJ, Soundgarden or any other musician to grieve in the same way. TOTD was made without expectations from anyone but the members who made it, to process through their loss. Let each person who grieves about the loss of Chris Cornell, have the time and space to morn about him in their own way, without expecting such a jewel as TOTD in result.

Leash_In_Hiding · May 2017

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

Stryker said:

bootlegger10 said:

I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready). It is natural after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

I couldn't possibly disagree with this statement more.

The facts don't back you up though.
You would think that if people really wanted to make a record together, and they tour about 6 weeks on average a year and have the rest of the year to devote to their interests, would make a damn record. I'm not knocking the band. I'm just giving my opinion based on what I see. Usually if people really want to do something, and they have the time and money to do it, they would do it. Remember, it takes them 3-6 weeks of studio time to record an album based on what they said about Lightning Bolt being done in two 3 week sessions. We all spend most of our life working when we don't want to. If we had the time and money we wouldn't work so much and do stuff we really wanted to do. It sounds like Pearl Jam doesn't want to spend their whole life being Pearl Jam and have the time and money not to.
First 12 years: 7 albums
Ten - 1991
Vs. - 1993
Vitalogy - 1994
No Code - 1996
Yield - 1998
Binaural - 2000
Riot Act - 2002
Last 16 years: 4 albums
Pearl Jam - 2006
Backspacer - 2009
Lightning Bolt - 2013
New album - 2018 probably

the real fact that is being missed here: at least one band member hates touring (the travel portion of it). when you record an album, that's when the machine kicks into high gear. promotional videos need to be done, promo spots need to be scheduled, and then jeff's work with all the art and merch and whatnot; it's not just 'let's bang out a record and play a few dates'. there's a tonne of work that goes into it. at this point, that part is maybe less appealing to them.

if they wanted to, they could pull an rem and just put out a record and not tour. but that would be devastating for fans. and i'm sure they still love performing. you can't pull off 3 hour shows with a smile on your face and sweat in your eyes and not dig it.

Not to derail the thread, I've never heard one of the band members hates touring. Where was that said? Not doubting you, just curious as to who said it...

wnh1977 · May 2017

bootlegger10 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

Stryker said:

bootlegger10 said:

I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready). It is natural after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

I couldn't possibly disagree with this statement more.

The facts don't back you up though.
You would think that if people really wanted to make a record together, and they tour about 6 weeks on average a year and have the rest of the year to devote to their interests, would make a damn record. I'm not knocking the band. I'm just giving my opinion based on what I see. Usually if people really want to do something, and they have the time and money to do it, they would do it. Remember, it takes them 3-6 weeks of studio time to record an album based on what they said about Lightning Bolt being done in two 3 week sessions. We all spend most of our life working when we don't want to. If we had the time and money we wouldn't work so much and do stuff we really wanted to do. It sounds like Pearl Jam doesn't want to spend their whole life being Pearl Jam and have the time and money not to.
First 12 years: 7 albums
Ten - 1991
Vs. - 1993
Vitalogy - 1994
No Code - 1996
Yield - 1998
Binaural - 2000
Riot Act - 2002
Last 16 years: 4 albums
Pearl Jam - 2006
Backspacer - 2009
Lightning Bolt - 2013
New album - 2018 probably

the real fact that is being missed here: at least one band member hates touring (the travel portion of it). when you record an album, that's when the machine kicks into high gear. promotional videos need to be done, promo spots need to be scheduled, and then jeff's work with all the art and merch and whatnot; it's not just 'let's bang out a record and play a few dates'. there's a tonne of work that goes into it. at this point, that part is maybe less appealing to them.

if they wanted to, they could pull an rem and just put out a record and not tour. but that would be devastating for fans. and i'm sure they still love performing. you can't pull off 3 hour shows with a smile on your face and sweat in your eyes and not dig it.

Nothing you said is inconsistent with my point, but additional reasons that support my point. The point being they don't have a passion to join together as Pearl Jam to make a record.

They still like music and do solo stuff, but I am referring to Pearl Jam.

This is veering towards a discussion that was covered in an earlier thread: http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/263871/heart-broken/p1

Similar points were made during that thread about the time in-between albums and hunger to be productive within PJ. My basic point was that I understand it, but I can wish things were different. I can understand that they're 50+, families, wealthy, and want to do other things. But sure, I'd love to see them challenge themselves, try to be the best in the world, be relevant in the here and now. We have Backspacer and Lightning Bolt to show for the last 10 years, and a whole hell of a lot of nostalgia (PJ20, remastered albums, Rock n' Roll Hall of Fame induction).

This thread is kind of all over the place with people hoping for a Temple project to honor Chris, people getting offended about hoping for such a thing, then veering to PJ's productivity. And that's ok!

HughFreakingDillon · May 2017

Leash_In_Hiding said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

Stryker said:

bootlegger10 said:

I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready). It is natural after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

I couldn't possibly disagree with this statement more.

The facts don't back you up though.
You would think that if people really wanted to make a record together, and they tour about 6 weeks on average a year and have the rest of the year to devote to their interests, would make a damn record. I'm not knocking the band. I'm just giving my opinion based on what I see. Usually if people really want to do something, and they have the time and money to do it, they would do it. Remember, it takes them 3-6 weeks of studio time to record an album based on what they said about Lightning Bolt being done in two 3 week sessions. We all spend most of our life working when we don't want to. If we had the time and money we wouldn't work so much and do stuff we really wanted to do. It sounds like Pearl Jam doesn't want to spend their whole life being Pearl Jam and have the time and money not to.
First 12 years: 7 albums
Ten - 1991
Vs. - 1993
Vitalogy - 1994
No Code - 1996
Yield - 1998
Binaural - 2000
Riot Act - 2002
Last 16 years: 4 albums
Pearl Jam - 2006
Backspacer - 2009
Lightning Bolt - 2013
New album - 2018 probably

the real fact that is being missed here: at least one band member hates touring (the travel portion of it). when you record an album, that's when the machine kicks into high gear. promotional videos need to be done, promo spots need to be scheduled, and then jeff's work with all the art and merch and whatnot; it's not just 'let's bang out a record and play a few dates'. there's a tonne of work that goes into it. at this point, that part is maybe less appealing to them.

if they wanted to, they could pull an rem and just put out a record and not tour. but that would be devastating for fans. and i'm sure they still love performing. you can't pull off 3 hour shows with a smile on your face and sweat in your eyes and not dig it.

Not to derail the thread, I've never heard one of the band members hates touring. Where was that said? Not doubting you, just curious as to who said it...

Jeff. He said it in an interview. It was part of an interview where he said "but if it finances my charitable causes, then I'll do it". Paraphrasing, of course. Again, he said he hated touring, not performing. I think tha't why in the future they will be playing residencies. Mike has said he would love to do it, it might appease Jeff, so that just leaves 3 others to convince.

raindog80 · May 2017

bootlegger10 said:

There will never be a Temple of the Dog 2. It is not 1991 anymore where there are a bunch of anonymous musicians who can make music for the love of making music and to honor their friend.
Maybe it could happen but I highly doubt there could be something as organic and special as TOTD again. I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready). It is natural after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

There will never be a TOTD2.

Zod · May 2017

raindog80 said:

bootlegger10 said:

There will never be a Temple of the Dog 2. It is not 1991 anymore where there are a bunch of anonymous musicians who can make music for the love of making music and to honor their friend.
Maybe it could happen but I highly doubt there could be something as organic and special as TOTD again. I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready). It is natural after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

There will never be a TOTD2.

I agree. They're pretty much all Chris Cornell songs that he invited the other guys to play on? I think he wrote almost the whole album (with a few credits to some of the other members). I don't really understand how you get a sequel. If Eddie sang on it, then it's pretty much pearl jam.

I think the original was something organic that came at a time where the spotlight wasn't on them. I don't think that circumstance can be re-created. I could see these tragic events having a heavy influence on the next PJ record though.... It's probably something that will weigh heavy on their hearts for a long time.

NewJPage · May 2017

Zod said:

raindog80 said:

bootlegger10 said:

There will never be a Temple of the Dog 2. It is not 1991 anymore where there are a bunch of anonymous musicians who can make music for the love of making music and to honor their friend.
Maybe it could happen but I highly doubt there could be something as organic and special as TOTD again. I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready). It is natural after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

There will never be a TOTD2.

I agree. They're pretty much all Chris Cornell songs that he invited the other guys to play on? I think he wrote almost the whole album (with a few credits to some of the other members). I don't really understand how you get a sequel. If Eddie sang on it, then it's pretty much pearl jam.

Mostly Chris. Stone wrote 3 of the 10 songs

HughFreakingDillon · May 2017

Zod said:

raindog80 said:

bootlegger10 said:

There will never be a Temple of the Dog 2. It is not 1991 anymore where there are a bunch of anonymous musicians who can make music for the love of making music and to honor their friend.
Maybe it could happen but I highly doubt there could be something as organic and special as TOTD again. I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready). It is natural after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

There will never be a TOTD2.

I agree. They're pretty much all Chris Cornell songs that he invited the other guys to play on? I think he wrote almost the whole album (with a few credits to some of the other members). I don't really understand how you get a sequel. If Eddie sang on it, then it's pretty much pearl jam.

I think the original was something organic that came at a time where the spotlight wasn't on them. I don't think that circumstance can be re-created. I could see these tragic events having a heavy influence on the next PJ record though.... It's probably something that will weigh heavy on their hearts for a long time.

that's it right there. Chris, and many of the other guys in TOTD, said repeatedly, and it's even in the liner notes of the record, it couldn't have happened any other way than it did. Chris sent the tape of two or three songs to Jeff, he convinced Chris to record them, and he asked Stone and Jeff to join him in doing so. Chris wrote more songs, Stone wrote a couple. No label pressure, no media pressure, no one even knew it existed outside of seattle for a year after it was made. that couldn't happen today.

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