Temple Of The Dog 2

ShanKathy

HughFreakingDillon said:

Zod said:

that's it right there. Chris, and many of the other guys in TOTD, said repeatedly, and it's even in the liner notes of the record, it couldn't have happened any other way than it did. Chris sent the tape of two or three songs to Jeff, he convinced Chris to record them, and he asked Stone and Jeff to join him in doing so. Chris wrote more songs, Stone wrote a couple. No label pressure, no media pressure, no one even knew it existed outside of seattle for a year after it was made. that couldn't happen today. 

Jeff also contributed music to TOTD - he co-wrote Pushing Forward Back.

Leash_In_Hiding

HughFreakingDillon said:

Leash_In_Hiding said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

Stryker said:

bootlegger10 said:

I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready).  It is natural  after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

I couldn't possibly disagree with this statement more.

The facts don't back you up though.

You would think that if people really wanted to make a record together, and they tour about 6 weeks on average a year and have the rest of the year to devote to their interests, would make a damn record.  I'm not knocking the band.  I'm just giving my opinion based on what I see.  Usually if people really want to do something, and they have the time and money to do it, they would do it.   Remember, it takes them 3-6 weeks of studio time to record an album based on what they said about Lightning Bolt being done in two 3 week sessions.   We all spend most of our life working when we don't want to.  If we had the time and money we wouldn't work so much and do stuff we really wanted to do.  It sounds like Pearl Jam doesn't want to spend their whole life being Pearl Jam and have the time and money not to.

First 12 years:  7 albums

Ten - 1991

Vs. - 1993

Vitalogy - 1994

No Code - 1996

Yield - 1998

Binaural - 2000

Riot Act - 2002

Last 16 years: 4 albums

Pearl Jam - 2006

Backspacer - 2009

Lightning Bolt - 2013

New album - 2018 probably

the real fact that is being missed here: at least one band member hates touring (the travel portion of it). when you record an album, that's when the machine kicks into high gear. promotional videos need to be done, promo spots need to be scheduled, and then jeff's work with all the art and merch and whatnot; it's not just 'let's bang out a record and play a few dates'. there's a tonne of work that goes into it. at this point, that part is maybe less appealing to them. 

if they wanted to, they could pull an rem and just put out a record and not tour. but that would be devastating for fans. and i'm sure they still love performing. you can't pull off 3 hour shows with a smile on your face and sweat in your eyes and not dig it. 

 Not to derail the thread, I've never heard one of the band members hates touring. Where was that said? Not doubting you, just curious as to who said it...

Jeff. He said it in an interview. It was part of an interview where he said "but if it finances my charitable causes, then I'll do it". Paraphrasing, of course. Again, he said he hated touring, not performing. I think tha't why in the future they will be playing residencies. Mike has said he would love to do it, it might appease Jeff, so that just leaves 3 others to convince. 

Gotcha! Thanks for that. I would hope they continue to tour for my own selfish reasons, but I can imagine as time goes by they would be less than thrilled to be away from their families. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see things slow down touring wise, but if it's coming from some of the band then the possibility may be a little more likely than any of us would like. They've earned the right to do whatever it is they choose to do, all the years they've put into their music they certainly have paid their dues

ShanKathy

Leash_In_Hiding said:

Not to derail the thread, I've never heard one of the band members hates touring. Where was that said? Not doubting you, just curious as to who said it...

Jeff. He said it in an interview. It was part of an interview where he said "but if it finances my charitable causes, then I'll do it". Paraphrasing, of course. Again, he said he hated touring, not performing. I think tha't why in the future they will be playing residencies. Mike has said he would love to do it, it might appease Jeff, so that just leaves 3 others to convince. 

Gotcha! Thanks for that. I would hope they continue to tour for my own selfish reasons, but I can imagine as time goes by they would be less than thrilled to be away from their families. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see things slow down touring wise, but if it's coming from some of the band then the possibility may be a little more likely than any of us would like. They've earned the right to do whatever it is they choose to do, all the years they've put into their music they certainly have paid their dues

Matt has also stated that he is more of a homebody who prefers the creativity of the studio to touring. He said that in the interview with Carrie Brownstein during the promotion for Backspacer. But, like Jeff, he also said that there is something special about performing in front of the crowd. I think it's just the travel that they dread - still love to perform. And anyone who saw them last year can attest to that.

Zod

ShanKathy said:

Leash_In_Hiding said:

Not to derail the thread, I've never heard one of the band members hates touring. Where was that said? Not doubting you, just curious as to who said it...

Jeff. He said it in an interview. It was part of an interview where he said "but if it finances my charitable causes, then I'll do it". Paraphrasing, of course. Again, he said he hated touring, not performing. I think tha't why in the future they will be playing residencies. Mike has said he would love to do it, it might appease Jeff, so that just leaves 3 others to convince. 

Gotcha! Thanks for that. I would hope they continue to tour for my own selfish reasons, but I can imagine as time goes by they would be less than thrilled to be away from their families. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see things slow down touring wise, but if it's coming from some of the band then the possibility may be a little more likely than any of us would like. They've earned the right to do whatever it is they choose to do, all the years they've put into their music they certainly have paid their dues

Matt has also stated that he is more of a homebody who prefers the creativity of the studio to touring. He said that in the interview with Carrie Brownstein during the promotion for Backspacer. But, like Jeff, he also said that there is something special about performing in front of the crowd. I think it's just the travel that they dread - still love to perform. And anyone who saw them last year can attest to that.

Yup.  I only like to be away from home for so long until I want to be in my house and sleep in my own bed.   I would imagine that's the worst part of touring.   If you could show up around dinner time, get setup, then rock out for a few hours and go h

Leash_In_Hiding said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Leash_In_Hiding said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

bootlegger10 said:

Stryker said:

bootlegger10 said:

I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready).  It is natural  after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

I couldn't possibly disagree with this statement more.

The facts don't back you up though.

You would think that if people really wanted to make a record together, and they tour about 6 weeks on average a year and have the rest of the year to devote to their interests, would make a damn record.  I'm not knocking the band.  I'm just giving my opinion based on what I see.  Usually if people really want to do something, and they have the time and money to do it, they would do it.   Remember, it takes them 3-6 weeks of studio time to record an album based on what they said about Lightning Bolt being done in two 3 week sessions.   We all spend most of our life working when we don't want to.  If we had the time and money we wouldn't work so much and do stuff we really wanted to do.  It sounds like Pearl Jam doesn't want to spend their whole life being Pearl Jam and have the time and money not to.

First 12 years:  7 albums

Ten - 1991

Vs. - 1993

Vitalogy - 1994

No Code - 1996

Yield - 1998

Binaural - 2000

Riot Act - 2002

Last 16 years: 4 albums

Pearl Jam - 2006

Backspacer - 2009

Lightning Bolt - 2013

New album - 2018 probably

the real fact that is being missed here: at least one band member hates touring (the travel portion of it). when you record an album, that's when the machine kicks into high gear. promotional videos need to be done, promo spots need to be scheduled, and then jeff's work with all the art and merch and whatnot; it's not just 'let's bang out a record and play a few dates'. there's a tonne of work that goes into it. at this point, that part is maybe less appealing to them. 

if they wanted to, they could pull an rem and just put out a record and not tour. but that would be devastating for fans. and i'm sure they still love performing. you can't pull off 3 hour shows with a smile on your face and sweat in your eyes and not dig it. 

 Not to derail the thread, I've never heard one of the band members hates touring. Where was that said? Not doubting you, just curious as to who said it...

Jeff. He said it in an interview. It was part of an interview where he said "but if it finances my charitable causes, then I'll do it". Paraphrasing, of course. Again, he said he hated touring, not performing. I think tha't why in the future they will be playing residencies. Mike has said he would love to do it, it might appease Jeff, so that just leaves 3 others to convince. 

Gotcha! Thanks for that. I would hope they continue to tour for my own selfish reasons, but I can imagine as time goes by they would be less than thrilled to be away from their families. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see things slow down touring wise, but if it's coming from some of the band then the possibility may be a little more likely than any of us would like. They've earned the right to do whatever it is they choose to do, all the years they've put into their music they certainly have paid their dues

I hope not.  I kind of hoped they'd found their balance with doing 20ish dates (give or take) in most years.   It already feels like they've slowed down touring wise.. lol... To the point where so many people travel, getting tickets is chaos for many shows.   I'm kind of hoping this is an off year..... and we see them go back to the new balance they've found.

darthvedder

HughFreakingDillon said:

Zod said:

raindog80 said:

bootlegger10 said:

There will never be a Temple of the Dog 2.  It is not 1991 anymore where there are a bunch of anonymous musicians who can make music for the love of making music and to honor their friend. 

Maybe it could happen but I highly doubt there could be something as organic and special as TOTD again.  I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready).  It is natural  after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

There will never be a TOTD2.

I agree.   They're pretty much all Chris Cornell songs that he invited the other guys to play on?  I think he wrote almost the whole album (with a few credits to some of the other members).    I don't really understand how you get a sequel.    If Eddie sang on it, then it's pretty much pearl jam.

I think the original was something organic that came at a time where the spotlight wasn't on them.   I don't think that circumstance can be re-created.  I could see these tragic events having a heavy influence on the next PJ record though....  It's probably something that will weigh heavy on their hearts for a long time.

that's it right there. Chris, and many of the other guys in TOTD, said repeatedly, and it's even in the liner notes of the record, it couldn't have happened any other way than it did. Chris sent the tape of two or three songs to Jeff, he convinced Chris to record them, and he asked Stone and Jeff to join him in doing so. Chris wrote more songs, Stone wrote a couple. No label pressure, no media pressure, no one even knew it existed outside of seattle for a year after it was made. that couldn't happen today. 

Eddie could send a tape of two or three songs to Kim and Ben and Matt, they could convince him to record them, and he could ask Kim and Ben and Matt to join him in doing so. I can't speak for the OP, but I didn't envision a tribute to Chris coming from the exact same members of TOTD.

HughFreakingDillon

darthvedder said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Zod said:

raindog80 said:

bootlegger10 said:

There will never be a Temple of the Dog 2.  It is not 1991 anymore where there are a bunch of anonymous musicians who can make music for the love of making music and to honor their friend. 

Maybe it could happen but I highly doubt there could be something as organic and special as TOTD again.  I don't see the hunger to make music from this group of people (except for Mike McCready).  It is natural  after 30+ years in the business and having families and young kids.

There will never be a TOTD2.

I agree.   They're pretty much all Chris Cornell songs that he invited the other guys to play on?  I think he wrote almost the whole album (with a few credits to some of the other members).    I don't really understand how you get a sequel.    If Eddie sang on it, then it's pretty much pearl jam.

I think the original was something organic that came at a time where the spotlight wasn't on them.   I don't think that circumstance can be re-created.  I could see these tragic events having a heavy influence on the next PJ record though....  It's probably something that will weigh heavy on their hearts for a long time.

that's it right there. Chris, and many of the other guys in TOTD, said repeatedly, and it's even in the liner notes of the record, it couldn't have happened any other way than it did. Chris sent the tape of two or three songs to Jeff, he convinced Chris to record them, and he asked Stone and Jeff to join him in doing so. Chris wrote more songs, Stone wrote a couple. No label pressure, no media pressure, no one even knew it existed outside of seattle for a year after it was made. that couldn't happen today. 

Eddie could send a tape of two or three songs to Kim and Ben and Matt, they could convince him to record them, and he could ask Kim and Ben and Matt to join him in doing so. I can't speak for the OP, but I didn't envision a tribute to Chris coming from the exact same members of TOTD.

that's possible, of course, but if Ed did do that, I have my doubts he'd let it be released. 

Tremorman

Ed's solo shows start in a couple of days.  I can't imagine how he's going to feel on stage after all this.  And I bet the Ariana Grande show attack is going to linger as well  for any artist's upcoming concerts especially in Europe.  What a terrible week.

Olivavu

Do you think Ed, Matt, Kim and Ben forming a band to write and record a tribute album to Chris would be a good idea? 

CopperTom

This terrible idea is already discussed here:  http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/264955/temple-of-the-dog-2#latest

dudeman

It's a good idea if they want to do it. Otherwise, it's not. 

Simple as that. 

Olivavu

CopperTom said:

This terrible idea is already discussed here:  http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/264955/temple-of-the-dog-2#latest

What makes it a "terrible idea" exactly?

Olivavu

dudeman said:

It's a good idea if they want to do it. Otherwise, it's not. 

Simple as that. 

I agree. CopperTom doesn't though and he clearly knows what he's talking about when he backs up his opinion with no reasoning whatsoever.

Olivavu

riley540 said:

People are still hurting bad from this, but I'm not upset you had the thought. Everyone's having different thoughts right now. 

Yes, those people would be the people who actually knew Chris Cornell and had a relationship with him.

goldrush

I think a tribute of some kind is likely, but it has to happen organically when all the guys who want to contribute are ready. It can't be something forced upon them by fan expectations. There's also no guarantee it would necessarily involve any of PJ apart from Matt. You'd like to think they'd be part of it but could they put themselves through another record with that much emotion and raw feeling? It could just be something that Matt, Kim and Ben do in their own time.

And it would obviously have to be called something specific to Chris. TOTD is from a Mother Love Bone lyric so that should remain a one-off tribute to Andy.

Jammalambo

A tribute of any type (be it a song, an album, a show, or whatever), if and when that'll happen, would be a good thing, obviously.

What hits a nerve in most people (myself included) is the "Temple of the Dog II" labeling.. It's unnecessary, really.

100 Pacer

While I don't profess to be a dedicated or passionate fan of Temple of The Dog, I just don't see this ever happening for one reason:

I believe it's been documented that Chris' intention with Temple of The Dog was to celebrate Andy's life and focus attention on his life cut short prior to what was perceived to be imminent mainstream success. Temple's small body of work would serve to pay homage to and shine a bright light on Andy going forward. I think in Chris you have a body of work that he's been blessed to share and fortunate enough to have found an audience that celebrated him for it. Chris wasn't shy about discussing his demons nor his struggles. There should be no reason for the public to mourn him - he should only be celebrated. Frankly, I see in Chris more deserving honor for celebration than I see in someone like Kurt: Chris fought for every inch personally, professionally, publicly, privately, and his life's accomplishment speak to the individual he was. His legacy lives on in his wife and kids. 

kramer73

Bulldog88 said:

The difference between "have to" and "ready to" is vast. Most of us have had to go back to work long before we were ready after losing someone, due to not being able to support our lifestyle if we did not. Pearl Jam does not have this pressure impending on the time they would like to take to grieve this loss. I think some folks here are trying to be sensitive to the fact that it will not be 'business as usual' for quite sometime, and that is personal and up to each of them.

I couldn't agree more.

Whoopsy, edit.

HughFreakingDillon

kramer73 said:

Bulldog88 said:

The difference between "have to" and "ready to" is vast. Most of us have had to go back to work long before we were ready after losing someone, due to not being able to support our lifestyle if we did not. Pearl Jam does not have this pressure impending on the time they would like to take to grieve this loss. I think some folks here are trying to be sensitive to the fact that it will not be 'business as usual' for quite sometime, and that is personal and up to each of them.

I could agree more.

how much more?