Do we want then to create a new industry? I would think we want them all to simply improve the working conditions and increase pay to fair levels in those factories they already have in those countries. If they just shut down and pull out all those workers are fucked.
Well...yes, ideally we would improve the working lives over there, but...ain't gonna happen lol
The problem (as I remember from what I read a few years ago in an article) is that it's a supply side issue even for the clothing manufacturers. Ethic-minded companies like Patagonia aren't major textile producers, they buy materials and manufacture them into clothing, and their suppliers are shady fucks rooted in the sweat shop/toxic waste dump mentality.
Why wouldn't that happen? It's not an unprecedented thing at all. Of course it does take some combo of consumer awareness, government regulation and law (ideally in the nations where the work is being done), corporate responsibility in terms of ethical manufacturing, and/or workers' demands for rights. None of those things are impossible. Obviously they aren't possible in the short term, but issues like this are never handled in the short term.
it's not very likely that any company, never mind an industry as a whole, is going to try to strong arm another nation into paying their workers better wages so they can charge more for their goods.
people say they care until they have to pay $30 for a pair of socks.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Do we want then to create a new industry? I would think we want them all to simply improve the working conditions and increase pay to fair levels in those factories they already have in those countries. If they just shut down and pull out all those workers are fucked.
Well...yes, ideally we would improve the working lives over there, but...ain't gonna happen lol
The problem (as I remember from what I read a few years ago in an article) is that it's a supply side issue even for the clothing manufacturers. Ethic-minded companies like Patagonia aren't major textile producers, they buy materials and manufacture them into clothing, and their suppliers are shady fucks rooted in the sweat shop/toxic waste dump mentality.
Why wouldn't that happen? It's not an unprecedented thing at all. Of course it does take some combo of consumer awareness, government regulation and law (ideally in the nations where the work is being done), corporate responsibility in terms of ethical manufacturing, and/or workers' demands for rights. None of those things are impossible. Obviously they aren't possible in the short term, but issues like this are never handled in the short term.
it's not very likely that any company, never mind an industry as a whole, is going to try to strong arm another nation into paying their workers better wages so they can charge more for their goods.
people say they care until they have to pay $30 for a pair of socks.
That’s what trade agreements between nations are for.
It's really a major bummer that high performance fabrics are almost solely produced in 3rd world conditions. If you are into fitness, hunting, backpacking, etc you are out of luck when it comes to avoiding sweatshop labor in the supply chain. Patagonia and North Face have been slowly working to make changes, but they can't just create an entire manufacturing industry overnight.
I always assumed most of that stuff came from a 3rd world sweatshop. But forced labour should never be OK. But I really have no idea what goes on in those sweatshops that don't use forced labour.
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Do we want then to create a new industry? I would think we want them all to simply improve the working conditions and increase pay to fair levels in those factories they already have in those countries. If they just shut down and pull out all those workers are fucked.
Well...yes, ideally we would improve the working lives over there, but...ain't gonna happen lol
The problem (as I remember from what I read a few years ago in an article) is that it's a supply side issue even for the clothing manufacturers. Ethic-minded companies like Patagonia aren't major textile producers, they buy materials and manufacture them into clothing, and their suppliers are shady fucks rooted in the sweat shop/toxic waste dump mentality.
Why wouldn't that happen? It's not an unprecedented thing at all. Of course it does take some combo of consumer awareness, government regulation and law (ideally in the nations where the work is being done), corporate responsibility in terms of ethical manufacturing, and/or workers' demands for rights. None of those things are impossible. Obviously they aren't possible in the short term, but issues like this are never handled in the short term.
it's not very likely that any company, never mind an industry as a whole, is going to try to strong arm another nation into paying their workers better wages so they can charge more for their goods.
people say they care until they have to pay $30 for a pair of socks.
Yeah, $30 would be a stretch for most of us for sure. But I spend much more on socks than I used to . I spend about $12 per pair of socks- a little over $16 Canadian. I used to buy cheap socks at K-Mart and then I came across Eurochoice Socks. These are far more comfortable, they stay up without cutting off my circulation and they last a lot longer than cheap shit socks. In the long run, I am happier, more comfortable and probably don't spend any more money in the long run.
Durable goods makes more sense in many ways. I don't understand why this concept is so rarely talked about.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Do we want then to create a new industry? I would think we want them all to simply improve the working conditions and increase pay to fair levels in those factories they already have in those countries. If they just shut down and pull out all those workers are fucked.
Well...yes, ideally we would improve the working lives over there, but...ain't gonna happen lol
The problem (as I remember from what I read a few years ago in an article) is that it's a supply side issue even for the clothing manufacturers. Ethic-minded companies like Patagonia aren't major textile producers, they buy materials and manufacture them into clothing, and their suppliers are shady fucks rooted in the sweat shop/toxic waste dump mentality.
Why wouldn't that happen? It's not an unprecedented thing at all. Of course it does take some combo of consumer awareness, government regulation and law (ideally in the nations where the work is being done), corporate responsibility in terms of ethical manufacturing, and/or workers' demands for rights. None of those things are impossible. Obviously they aren't possible in the short term, but issues like this are never handled in the short term.
it's not very likely that any company, never mind an industry as a whole, is going to try to strong arm another nation into paying their workers better wages so they can charge more for their goods.
people say they care until they have to pay $30 for a pair of socks.
Yeah, $30 would be a stretch for most of us for sure. But I spend much more on socks than I used to . I spend about $12 per pair of socks- a little over $16 Canadian. I used to buy cheap socks at K-Mart and then I came across Eurochoice Socks. These are far more comfortable, they stay up without cutting off my circulation and they last a lot longer than cheap shit socks. In the long run, I am happier, more comfortable and probably don't spend any more money in the long run.
Durable goods makes more sense in many ways. I don't understand why this concept is so rarely talked about.
because in our ADD culture, people think "HEY! LOOK AT THAT PRICE! I CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO BUY THEM!", but they don't think that spending that extra amount on the extra quality will save them in the long run. and companies don't want you to buy higher quality either. they make much more money on cheap goods you have to keep rebuying over and over again.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Do we want then to create a new industry? I would think we want them all to simply improve the working conditions and increase pay to fair levels in those factories they already have in those countries. If they just shut down and pull out all those workers are fucked.
Well...yes, ideally we would improve the working lives over there, but...ain't gonna happen lol
The problem (as I remember from what I read a few years ago in an article) is that it's a supply side issue even for the clothing manufacturers. Ethic-minded companies like Patagonia aren't major textile producers, they buy materials and manufacture them into clothing, and their suppliers are shady fucks rooted in the sweat shop/toxic waste dump mentality.
Why wouldn't that happen? It's not an unprecedented thing at all. Of course it does take some combo of consumer awareness, government regulation and law (ideally in the nations where the work is being done), corporate responsibility in terms of ethical manufacturing, and/or workers' demands for rights. None of those things are impossible. Obviously they aren't possible in the short term, but issues like this are never handled in the short term.
it's not very likely that any company, never mind an industry as a whole, is going to try to strong arm another nation into paying their workers better wages so they can charge more for their goods.
people say they care until they have to pay $30 for a pair of socks.
Yeah, $30 would be a stretch for most of us for sure. But I spend much more on socks than I used to . I spend about $12 per pair of socks- a little over $16 Canadian. I used to buy cheap socks at K-Mart and then I came across Eurochoice Socks. These are far more comfortable, they stay up without cutting off my circulation and they last a lot longer than cheap shit socks. In the long run, I am happier, more comfortable and probably don't spend any more money in the long run.
Durable goods makes more sense in many ways. I don't understand why this concept is so rarely talked about.
I'm currently in the 3rd year with my Duluth trading company socks, 16-20 Us a pair. They fit perfectly and are wearing very well.
brianlux
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edited December 2018
If I wore flip flops all the time I would feel like I was in a perpetual state of preparing to take a shower at a swimming pool or camp ground.
Now regarding socks, the downfall of America followed closely on the heals of the demise of the racing stripe socks. I used to wear them back in middle school in the early to mid sixties. These were white socks with two bands of racing stripes across the top of the metatarsals. You couldn't see the stripes when wearing sneakers, but that was the point. Subtlety. No one knew you were cool, but you knew you were cool.
Now days, if you mention striped sock, you think of this, right?:
See what I mean? No subtlety whatsoever. The downfall of America!
Make America Great again: Bring back the hidden racing stripes socks!
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
What were the red translucent skateboard wheels that were all the rage back in the day? And the trucks? I had size 2 in the front and 4s in the back on a wood skateboard my brother made in wood shop. And skippies on my feet with “striped” socks.
Well, since were on the topic of socks .... I go with Smartwool socks. They are comfortable, long wearing, spiffy, and they make my toes smarter.
They start from about $22 a pair but go up in price, depending on the purpose (hiking, cold weather sports, etc).
We moved away from Smartwool to Darn Tough. They are even better, cheaper, and they are lifetime guaranteed!
I’ll have to see if I can even get those. I’ve never seen them.
My feet need to be smart, though, darn it.
My Grandma always used to say, "Smart feet are a great start, but when it gets rough you need your feet to be tough"
I wish I could wear wool. Wool on my skin is like a hair-shirt. Wool on my feet is torture! No can do!
Are you allergic or just sensitive? If it's just sensitivity, have you tried Merino wool blends? It's nothing like the stiff scratchy wool of yesteryear.
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brianlux
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Well, since were on the topic of socks .... I go with Smartwool socks. They are comfortable, long wearing, spiffy, and they make my toes smarter.
They start from about $22 a pair but go up in price, depending on the purpose (hiking, cold weather sports, etc).
We moved away from Smartwool to Darn Tough. They are even better, cheaper, and they are lifetime guaranteed!
I’ll have to see if I can even get those. I’ve never seen them.
My feet need to be smart, though, darn it.
My Grandma always used to say, "Smart feet are a great start, but when it gets rough you need your feet to be tough"
I wish I could wear wool. Wool on my skin is like a hair-shirt. Wool on my feet is torture! No can do!
Are you allergic or just sensitive? If it's just sensitivity, have you tried Merino wool blends? It's nothing like the stiff scratchy wool of yesteryear.
Not sure why wool drives me itchy but it hardly ever gets cold enough to need wool here anymore so I'll probably not need it. Maybe for hiking socks though. Might have to check that out, thanks.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
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people say they care until they have to pay $30 for a pair of socks.
-EV 8/14/93
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They start from about $22 a pair but go up in price, depending on the purpose (hiking, cold weather sports, etc).
They are even better, cheaper, and they are lifetime guaranteed!
My feet need to be smart, though, darn it.
You all with your tough-talkin' socks and smart feet. Wake me up when "Really Fucking Durable" hits the market.
I wish I could wear wool. Wool on my skin is like a hair-shirt. Wool on my feet is torture! No can do!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
Brilliantati©
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
Brilliantati©
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
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