Terrorist attack in Stockholm, Sweden

PJ_Soul

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Has it been reported what motivated this terrorist?

Meets a lot of hallmarks:
1: Not concerned with loss of own life (possible martyrdom?)
2: Targeted crowded place with no specific concern of who they were killing (did not target race, government, any specific groups, just going for a kill count).
3: Used a trending preferred method seen recently by a...specific group.
Not going to say this is logic is conclusive, but it does meet some specific premises tied to certain ideologies.

Why are you scared to say Islamic extremists or ISIS? Are you still labouring under the false impression that there are people who aren't willing to admit there is an Islamic extremist/ISIS terrorism problem going on or are apologists for it? (Looks like you're kind of stuck under the same mistaken premise Thirty. Amazing how many people have misread the issue).

Your own thread saw this comment by a very well-versed contributor: "Drop the word "Islamic" from in front of terrorism and just condemn all "terrorism." Something some people only seem to be outraged by, which is when it's conducted by "islamists" or in the name of "Islam." "

I'm not mistaking anything, Soul. But for you to make the comment you did shows how carelessly you discern the perspectives tossed about on this issue. Not everyone is as eager as you to concede the problem for what it is and it's relevancy in our world's current state of affairs.

Who is the very well verse contributor you're talking About? If one person on the boards says something like that, you feel that this pretty sweeping comment/accusation on your part is appropriate? I think it is you who is carelessly discerning the perspectives tossed about on this issue.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

PJ_Soul said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Has it been reported what motivated this terrorist?

Meets a lot of hallmarks:
1: Not concerned with loss of own life (possible martyrdom?)
2: Targeted crowded place with no specific concern of who they were killing (did not target race, government, any specific groups, just going for a kill count).
3: Used a trending preferred method seen recently by a...specific group.
Not going to say this is logic is conclusive, but it does meet some specific premises tied to certain ideologies.

Why are you scared to say Islamic extremists or ISIS? Are you still labouring under the false impression that there are people who aren't willing to admit there is an Islamic extremist/ISIS terrorism problem going on or are apologists for it? (Looks like you're kind of stuck under the same mistaken premise Thirty. Amazing how many people have misread the issue).

Your own thread saw this comment by a very well-versed contributor: "Drop the word "Islamic" from in front of terrorism and just condemn all "terrorism." Something some people only seem to be outraged by, which is when it's conducted by "islamists" or in the name of "Islam." "

I'm not mistaking anything, Soul. But for you to make the comment you did shows how carelessly you discern the perspectives tossed about on this issue. Not everyone is as eager as you to concede the problem for what it is and it's relevancy in our world's current state of affairs.

Who is the very well verse contributor you're talking About? If one person on the boards says something like that, you feel that this pretty sweeping comment/accusation on your part is appropriate? I think it is you who is carelessly discerning the perspectives tossed about on this issue.

I gave you one example. There's plenty more, but I'm not going back through threads and spelling it out for you.

And I commented on a perspective that exists. I never made a 'sweeping comment/accusation' (as you framed it). Either acknowledge it's there or pretend it isn't. Scruffy knew what I was talking about.

bootlegger10

There have been many discussions on here that the religious right in the USA are just as dangerous as Islamic extremists which is the most silly thought in the history of mankind. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying around the world at the hands of Muslim extremists, and probably 50 people have died in the last ten years by Christian extremists.

Anyway, my takeaway if living in Europe: avoid loitering in large groups near a street, airports, train stations and large events. Understand where the exits are, enjoy the show, and get out. Get checked into the airport as quickly as you can. No reason to take chances.

CM189191

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Has it been reported what motivated this terrorist?

Meets a lot of hallmarks:
1: Not concerned with loss of own life (possible martyrdom?)
2: Targeted crowded place with no specific concern of who they were killing (did not target race, government, any specific groups, just going for a kill count).
3: Used a trending preferred method seen recently by a...specific group.
Not going to say this is logic is conclusive, but it does meet some specific premises tied to certain ideologies.

Why are you scared to say Islamic extremists or ISIS? Are you still labouring under the false impression that there are people who aren't willing to admit there is an Islamic extremist/ISIS terrorism problem going on or are apologists for it? (Looks like you're kind of stuck under the same mistaken premise Thirty. Amazing how many people have misread the issue).

I think I'm going to start referring to evangelicals as Christian extremists from now on.

Spiritual_Chaos

bootlegger10 said:

There have been many discussions on here that the religious right in the USA are just as dangerous as Islamic extremists which is the most silly thought in the history of mankind. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying around the world at the hands of Muslim extremists, and probably 50 people have died in the last ten years by Christian extremists.

Anyway, my takeaway if living in Europe: avoid loitering in large groups near a street, airports, train stations and large events. Understand where the exits are, enjoy the show, and get out. Get checked into the airport as quickly as you can. No reason to take chances.

You just described how we should think, visiting the US with all your gun nuts shooting in public places and cops without proper training and/or racial bias.

The wave of terrorist attacks is scary. But Europe is still safe. But obviously, I will think more about it now when it's happend here. Sweden being a very safe and shielded place.

Spiritual_Chaos

An 11-year old girl on her way home from school is one of the victims.

Horrible.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Spiritual_Chaos said:

An 11-year old girl on her way home from school is one of the victims.

Horrible.

It takes a special kind of person to be able to drive a truck into a bunch of innocent people.

What was to gain? I'm at a loss to explain the measurable gains from committing such a callous act.

It's a purely psychotic mentality.

jnimhaoileoin

Spiritual_Chaos said:

bootlegger10 said:

There have been many discussions on here that the religious right in the USA are just as dangerous as Islamic extremists which is the most silly thought in the history of mankind. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying around the world at the hands of Muslim extremists, and probably 50 people have died in the last ten years by Christian extremists.

Anyway, my takeaway if living in Europe: avoid loitering in large groups near a street, airports, train stations and large events. Understand where the exits are, enjoy the show, and get out. Get checked into the airport as quickly as you can. No reason to take chances.

You just described how we should think, visiting the US with all your gun nuts shooting in public places and cops without proper training and/or racial bias.

The wave of terrorist attacks is scary. But Europe is still safe. But obviously, I will think more about it now when it's happend here. Sweden being a very safe and shielded place.

Thank you for speaking such sense. We in Europe are not going to live in fear

bootlegger10

jnimhaoileoin said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

bootlegger10 said:

There have been many discussions on here that the religious right in the USA are just as dangerous as Islamic extremists which is the most silly thought in the history of mankind. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying around the world at the hands of Muslim extremists, and probably 50 people have died in the last ten years by Christian extremists.

Anyway, my takeaway if living in Europe: avoid loitering in large groups near a street, airports, train stations and large events. Understand where the exits are, enjoy the show, and get out. Get checked into the airport as quickly as you can. No reason to take chances.

You just described how we should think, visiting the US with all your gun nuts shooting in public places and cops without proper training and/or racial bias.

The wave of terrorist attacks is scary. But Europe is still safe. But obviously, I will think more about it now when it's happend here. Sweden being a very safe and shielded place.

Thank you for speaking such sense. We in Europe are not going to live in fear

I didn't say live in fear. Just be diligent and aware.

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Another terrorist attack from the religion of peace.
Prayers to all those effected by this.

Lol

Get ready for the apologist attack. Prepare for the following questions and subsequent points and you might be able to hold your own:

Do you know how many people die from mosquitoes each year? A few deaths from terrorism is nothing.
Do you know how many people practice the religion of peace... peacefully? These events are outliers.
Do you know that in 1995 Timothy McVeigh blew up a building in Oklahoma? There's just as much Christian terrorism as Islamic terrorism.

Don't forget...

He was Swedish, he was born there.

Go Beavers

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Another terrorist attack from the religion of peace.
Prayers to all those effected by this.

Lol

Get ready for the apologist attack. Prepare for the following questions and subsequent points and you might be able to hold your own:

Do you know how many people die from mosquitoes each year? A few deaths from terrorism is nothing.
Do you know how many people practice the religion of peace... peacefully? These events are outliers.
Do you know that in 1995 Timothy McVeigh blew up a building in Oklahoma? There's just as much Christian terrorism as Islamic terrorism.

What are you trying to say.

Thirty bills is saying that he attributes the terrorism as a manifestation of the Muslim religion belief system, most likely because he's misinformed about the religion and has little direct contact with Muslims. He's minimizing terrorism committed in the name of Christianity, both past and present, most likely because he's more familiar with Christianity and those who practice it. He probably doesn't have much information about acts of murder currently carried out by Christians in the name of their faith. If he learns about these, he'll say it's an abomination of the faith and will give other reasons for it. But when a terrorist is Muslim, it's primarily because of their religion.

Annafalk

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Another terrorist attack from the religion of peace.
Prayers to all those effected by this.

Lol

Get ready for the apologist attack. Prepare for the following questions and subsequent points and you might be able to hold your own:

Do you know how many people die from mosquitoes each year? A few deaths from terrorism is nothing.
Do you know how many people practice the religion of peace... peacefully? These events are outliers.
Do you know that in 1995 Timothy McVeigh blew up a building in Oklahoma? There's just as much Christian terrorism as Islamic terrorism.

Don't forget...

He was Swedish, he was born there.

He was from Uzbekistan,( but I understand what you mean.)

Bootlegger10's advices was good, I will try and follow them.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Go Beavers said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Another terrorist attack from the religion of peace.
Prayers to all those effected by this.

Lol

Get ready for the apologist attack. Prepare for the following questions and subsequent points and you might be able to hold your own:

Do you know how many people die from mosquitoes each year? A few deaths from terrorism is nothing.
Do you know how many people practice the religion of peace... peacefully? These events are outliers.
Do you know that in 1995 Timothy McVeigh blew up a building in Oklahoma? There's just as much Christian terrorism as Islamic terrorism.

What are you trying to say.

Thirty bills is saying that he attributes the terrorism as a manifestation of the Muslim religion belief system, most likely because he's misinformed about the religion and has little direct contact with Muslims. He's minimizing terrorism committed in the name of Christianity, both past and present, most likely because he's more familiar with Christianity and those who practice it. He probably doesn't have much information about acts of murder currently carried out by Christians in the name of their faith. If he learns about these, he'll say it's an abomination of the faith and will give other reasons for it. But when a terrorist is Muslim, it's primarily because of their religion.

A while back when dealing with this topic and when challenged, you posted some obscure list of Christian terrorist acts. It was a list that spanned the length of over 20 years and really struggled to piece together a solid grouping of events. The acts ranged from mostly small incidents like abortion clinic bombings to other events that by today's standards... resembled birthday parties. It's big ticket item was McVeigh's Oklahoma bombing which, as anyone knows, was not rooted in religion- it was an assault on the federal government. But it's understandable such a list and you sought to include that piece of history... it needed something to try and make its case.

It was a good effort, but it fell very short of accomplishing what you intended, which was to say Christian terrorism is on par with Islamic terrorism. It's not even remotely close.

As for the crude psychoanalysis... I'm not going to respond other than to say I'm sorry that's all you had to come up with after stewing on my post all day knowing full well the rhetorical questions I posed to Scruffy may as well have come from you.

oftenreading

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Another terrorist attack from the religion of peace.
Prayers to all those effected by this.

Lol

Get ready for the apologist attack. Prepare for the following questions and subsequent points and you might be able to hold your own:

Do you know how many people die from mosquitoes each year? A few deaths from terrorism is nothing.
Do you know how many people practice the religion of peace... peacefully? These events are outliers.
Do you know that in 1995 Timothy McVeigh blew up a building in Oklahoma? There's just as much Christian terrorism as Islamic terrorism.

What are you trying to say.

Thirty bills is saying that he attributes the terrorism as a manifestation of the Muslim religion belief system, most likely because he's misinformed about the religion and has little direct contact with Muslims. He's minimizing terrorism committed in the name of Christianity, both past and present, most likely because he's more familiar with Christianity and those who practice it. He probably doesn't have much information about acts of murder currently carried out by Christians in the name of their faith. If he learns about these, he'll say it's an abomination of the faith and will give other reasons for it. But when a terrorist is Muslim, it's primarily because of their religion.

A while back when dealing with this topic and when challenged, you posted some obscure list of Christian terrorist acts. It was a list that spanned the length of over 20 years and really struggled to piece together a solid grouping of events. The acts ranged from mostly small incidents like abortion clinic bombings to other events that by today's standards... resembled birthday parties. It's big ticket item was McVeigh's Oklahoma bombing which, as anyone knows, was not rooted in religion- it was an assault on the federal government. But it's understandable such a list and you sought to include that piece of history... it needed something to try and make its case.

It was a good effort, but it fell very short of accomplishing what you intended, which was to say Christian terrorism is on par with Islamic terrorism. It's not even remotely close.

As for the crude psychoanalysis... I'm not going to respond other than to say I'm sorry that's all you had to come up with after stewing on my post all day knowing full well the rhetorical questions I posed to Scruffy may as well have come from you.

I am not going to address all the issues raised but I find it very unfortunate and in really poor taste that you would joke about bombings of abortion clinics. Violence against abortion providers is a hugely serious issue that has had grave consequences to the providers themselves, of course, but also to the availability of abortion services to the population as a whole.

I do agree that your position was misrepresented, but don't agree with your reply.

unsung

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

An 11-year old girl on her way home from school is one of the victims.

Horrible.

It takes a special kind of person to be able to drive a truck into a bunch of innocent people.

What was to gain? I'm at a loss to explain the measurable gains from committing such a callous act.

It's a purely psychotic mentality.

They are a plague. They are intent on destroying everything that exists and are willing to ensure the subjugation of any survivors.

unsung

Spiritual_Chaos said:

bootlegger10 said:

There have been many discussions on here that the religious right in the USA are just as dangerous as Islamic extremists which is the most silly thought in the history of mankind. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying around the world at the hands of Muslim extremists, and probably 50 people have died in the last ten years by Christian extremists.

Anyway, my takeaway if living in Europe: avoid loitering in large groups near a street, airports, train stations and large events. Understand where the exits are, enjoy the show, and get out. Get checked into the airport as quickly as you can. No reason to take chances.

You just described how we should think, visiting the US with all your gun nuts shooting in public places and cops without proper training and/or racial bias.

The wave of terrorist attacks is scary. But Europe is still safe. But obviously, I will think more about it now when it's happend here. Sweden being a very safe and shielded place.

So there are no such thing as no-go zones and rapes have not increased?

CM189191

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

An 11-year old girl on her way home from school is one of the victims.

Horrible.

It takes a special kind of person to be able to drive a truck into a bunch of innocent people.

What was to gain? I'm at a loss to explain the measurable gains from committing such a callous act.

It's a purely psychotic mentality.

They are a plague. They are intent on destroying everything that exists and are willing to ensure the subjugation of any survivors.

But enough about the current administration.....

benjs

unsung said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

bootlegger10 said:

There have been many discussions on here that the religious right in the USA are just as dangerous as Islamic extremists which is the most silly thought in the history of mankind. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying around the world at the hands of Muslim extremists, and probably 50 people have died in the last ten years by Christian extremists.

Anyway, my takeaway if living in Europe: avoid loitering in large groups near a street, airports, train stations and large events. Understand where the exits are, enjoy the show, and get out. Get checked into the airport as quickly as you can. No reason to take chances.

You just described how we should think, visiting the US with all your gun nuts shooting in public places and cops without proper training and/or racial bias.

The wave of terrorist attacks is scary. But Europe is still safe. But obviously, I will think more about it now when it's happend here. Sweden being a very safe and shielded place.

So there are no such thing as no-go zones and rapes have not increased?

So everyone should stop visiting Europe, construct a bomb shelter, and wear steel chastity belts to prevent unwanted intruders? What you are defining is how terrorism wins, and it's pure cowardice. I put myself in far riskier situations regularly when I jay walk or use a shower, both of which have incident rates higher than Europeans being victims of terrorism.

jnimhaoileoin

unsung said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

bootlegger10 said:

There have been many discussions on here that the religious right in the USA are just as dangerous as Islamic extremists which is the most silly thought in the history of mankind. Hundreds of thousands of people are dying around the world at the hands of Muslim extremists, and probably 50 people have died in the last ten years by Christian extremists.

Anyway, my takeaway if living in Europe: avoid loitering in large groups near a street, airports, train stations and large events. Understand where the exits are, enjoy the show, and get out. Get checked into the airport as quickly as you can. No reason to take chances.

You just described how we should think, visiting the US with all your gun nuts shooting in public places and cops without proper training and/or racial bias.

The wave of terrorist attacks is scary. But Europe is still safe. But obviously, I will think more about it now when it's happend here. Sweden being a very safe and shielded place.

So there are no such thing as no-go zones and rapes have not increased?

What on earth are you talking about? No-go zones? Have you been watching too much Fox News or something?

jnimhaoileoin

unsung said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

Another terrorist attack from the religion of peace.
Prayers to all those effected by this.

Lol

Get ready for the apologist attack. Prepare for the following questions and subsequent points and you might be able to hold your own:

Do you know how many people die from mosquitoes each year? A few deaths from terrorism is nothing.
Do you know how many people practice the religion of peace... peacefully? These events are outliers.
Do you know that in 1995 Timothy McVeigh blew up a building in Oklahoma? There's just as much Christian terrorism as Islamic terrorism.

Don't forget...

He was Swedish, he was born there.

He wasn't Swedish. He was am Uzbek national who had been denied the right to stay in Sweden and was wanted for deportation. Try sticking to facts please