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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,773

    If this is true, Trump & his lemmings will complain that Obama didn't warn them enough, and it's STILL his fault.
    They are already using the mantra that "the Obama admin gave him a security clearance"...yet they aren't mentioning that the same admin also fired his ass.


    Right, that prior administration that according to the GOP got NOTHING right. They trusted Obama for vetting Flynn, but nothing else, right?


    Makes sense.

  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059

    If this is true, Trump & his lemmings will complain that Obama didn't warn them enough, and it's STILL his fault.
    They are already using the mantra that "the Obama admin gave him a security clearance"...yet they aren't mentioning that the same admin also fired his ass.
    but why was he able to keep his security clearance after obama fired him?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473

    If this is true, Trump & his lemmings will complain that Obama didn't warn them enough, and it's STILL his fault.
    They are already using the mantra that "the Obama admin gave him a security clearance"...yet they aren't mentioning that the same admin also fired his ass.
    but why was he able to keep his security clearance after obama fired him?
    Because the Trump administration didn't properly vett him as they should have. Amerature hour at the WH. 
    he was allowed to keep his security clearance under obama. trump re-hired him. 
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    It also turns out that the Trump admin is corrupt as shizzit.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,149

    Trump could have gained an efficiency by having Rexy baby join him and Pence for lunch. Then he could have knocked off early and gotten 18 in. Who's his scheduler anyway?

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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,549
    Let's hope Pence's wife will be at lunch, too. I don't want the lust and passion to take over
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401

    If this is true, Trump & his lemmings will complain that Obama didn't warn them enough, and it's STILL his fault.
    They are already using the mantra that "the Obama admin gave him a security clearance"...yet they aren't mentioning that the same admin also fired his ass.


    Right, that prior administration that according to the GOP got NOTHING right. They trusted Obama for vetting Flynn, but nothing else, right?


    Makes sense.

    My understanding is that basically the current admin is blaming Obama because his admin gave Flynn the initial security clearance; however, Flynn "retired' (forced out/fired) in 2014 due to be a shitty supervisor, employee and his dysfunctional work style. None of these would qualify him for a removal of his security clearance if I understand it correctly. What this comes down to with the Trump admin is either laziness, ignorance, collusion or a combination of the aforementioned. Sorry, but if a company re-hires someone that was fired or had that many skeletons in their closet without doing another background or proper vetting, that's their fault.

    For those interested, here is the executive order Clinton put in to effect https://fas.org/sgp/clinton/eo12968.html. I found sections 3 - 6 most interesting as it pertains to re-investigation and processes for removal of the clearance.


    It's a hopeless situation...
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    I don't understand how being fired or retired would still qualify you for that type of security clearance. 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,177
    If you aren't  in a position to review secure documents why does it matter if you're clearance is revoked?  Isn't it kind of revoked by not having a job that gives you ACCESS to secure information?
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    If you aren't  in a position to review secure documents why does it matter if you're clearance is revoked?  Isn't it kind of revoked by not having a job that gives you ACCESS to secure information?
    I guess. I have no idea how it works. wouldn't you want to revoke it so someone can't say "well I let him review the file, he's got clearance"?
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    If you aren't  in a position to review secure documents why does it matter if you're clearance is revoked?  Isn't it kind of revoked by not having a job that gives you ACCESS to secure information?
    I guess. I have no idea how it works. wouldn't you want to revoke it so someone can't say "well I let him review the file, he's got clearance"?
    That would be the logical assumption, but this is the government so why make it simple. If the security clearance really only is something that allows you access if you're in the position to receive it, then revoking it is unnecessary, It seems like a loophole that needs to be fixed. Without an ID or electronic database access, the clearance should be worthless, but as we've learned it seems like an easy way to get a position and pick right back up without any further consideration until the next mandated review.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,594
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
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  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,026
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
    You don't vet people with a security clearance!
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
    You don't vet people with a security clearance!
    "Obama says he is bad? he must be awesome! hire him immediately!"
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
    You don't vet people with a security clearance!
    "Obama says he is bad? he must be awesome! hire him immediately!"
    Undoubtedly, that was part of his motivation. Stick it to Obama at all costs.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,473
    tbergs said:
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
    You don't vet people with a security clearance!
    "Obama says he is bad? he must be awesome! hire him immediately!"
    Undoubtedly, that was part of his motivation. Stick it to Obama at all costs.
    Who knows. maybe that was obama's motivation too, in warning him. "that buffoon is going to hire him instantly now....watch it all crumble as I go sailing with Brad Pitt and Chris Hemsworth"
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    tbergs said:
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
    You don't vet people with a security clearance!
    "Obama says he is bad? he must be awesome! hire him immediately!"
    Undoubtedly, that was part of his motivation. Stick it to Obama at all costs.
    Who knows. maybe that was obama's motivation too, in warning him. "that buffoon is going to hire him instantly now....watch it all crumble as I go sailing with Brad Pitt and Chris Hemsworth"
    Then he should have told him how bad Obama care is too ;)
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,149
    tbergs said:
    So Flynn wasn't vetted at all????

     My god, this administration is a dumpster fire. 
    You don't vet people with a security clearance!
    "Obama says he is bad? he must be awesome! hire him immediately!"
    Undoubtedly, that was part of his motivation. Stick it to Obama at all costs.
    Who knows. maybe that was obama's motivation too, in warning him. "that buffoon is going to hire him instantly now....watch it all crumble as I go sailing with Brad Pitt and Chris Hemsworth"
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  • dignin
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     It Was Cultural Anxiety That Drove White, Working-Class Voters to Trump

    A new study finds that fear of societal change, not economic pressure, motivated votes for the president among non-salaried workers without college degrees.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/white-working-class-trump-cultural-anxiety/525771/


  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,773
    dignin said:


     It Was Cultural Anxiety That Drove White, Working-Class Voters to Trump

    A new study finds that fear of societal change, not economic pressure, motivated votes for the president among non-salaried workers without college degrees.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/white-working-class-trump-cultural-anxiety/525771/



    Least surprising thing I've seen in a while.
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