Donald Trump

HughFreakingDillon

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

"according to people familiar with their reactions". and we wonder why people believe the term "fake news". 

There were enough people present that this was bound to leak.
Anonymous and unnamed sources have always been a part of journalism. 

The White House issued a statement that did not deny or confirm that he said it.

i know. it was just a funny way to put it. i've heard familiar with the situation, or familiar with the conversation, just never heard familiar with their reactions before. i could see how trump supporters would look at that and scoff. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

"according to people familiar with their reactions". and we wonder why people believe the term "fake news". 

There were enough people present that this was bound to leak.
Anonymous and unnamed sources have always been a part of journalism. 

The White House issued a statement that did not deny or confirm that he said it.

i know. it was just a funny way to put it. i've heard familiar with the situation, or familiar with the conversation, just never heard familiar with their reactions before. i could see how trump supporters would look at that and scoff. 

But that isn't fake news. You're right, they'd call it that. But saying "according to so-and-so" is far from being fake news. It's actually quite transparent. They are specifically telling people that they don't know for sure, they are just reporting what was said by others. Nothing fake or misleading about that. Fake would be if they literally made it all up and claimed otherwise, and nobody has a real reason to suspect that... not that plenty of dummies don't think it anyway.

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ah, the benevolence of wal mart, where full time employees earn about $28K a year, if you’re a full timer, on average. And that $1,000 bonus? You’re only eligible for the $1K if you have 20 years of service. Imagine working at wal mart for 20 years. What percentage of employees last that long? $50 a year for each year of service. Less than a dollar a week. How will they spend it all?

Is that right??  Only 20 year employees got the bonus?

cincybearcat

HesCalledDyer said:

cincybearcat said:

HesCalledDyer said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

So if the economy is doing so well thanks to Obama and the recession was due to bush, sounds like republican presidents do nothing but get in the way of democratic economic  progress. Ya’ll have gone cray cray.  It’s important to note that neither president is at fault or fully responsible for these numbers, but come on, the numbers are pretty telling that things are far far far from falling apart like ya’ll were claiming would happen.  Let’s take a look, shall we?

GDP quarter 2 2017: +3.1%
GDP quarter 3 2017: +3.0%, (with 2 massive hurricanes)

Obama GDP avg over 8 years: +1.6% (but this boom is a result of him, remember?, lol)

unemployment: Obama’s avg 8 years: ~4.9%
                          Trump: ~4.1% (16 year low)
                          AA down to 6.8%, lowest since count began in ‘72.
employee wages up $.09 in December
                              Q3 2017 +.7%
                               Q4 2017 +.5%
 consumer confidence was at 125.9 in October, highest since 12/2000

and @PJ_Soul  , who said I didn’t care about millions of suffering folks just because I’m excited about economic growth? I didn’t, and I don’t think see how that has anything to do with what I was saying.

Please point us to ANY legislation that has passed under Trump has that has a direct effect on ANY of this?  Yes, he is riding Obama's wave.  How do I know this? Because Trump hasn't done a fucking thing since he's been in office.  NOTHING. Not one fucking piece of legislation passed.

There is this thing called happenstance, you know.

Well to be fair the market responded to trump presidency and what they thought he would do. The corporate tax rate is a big win for companies and the market.

For your first sentence, like I said, happenstance.  That's market speculation, not an direct effect of any Trump legislation or EO.  As for the corporate tax rate, that takes effect for the 2018 tax year, correct?  So it won't really see the effects from it until next tax season.

its market speculation but it’s not like it didn’t happen. And the tax rates don’t start until 2018, that’s true. But you simply can’t ignore that the market was responding to what was to come.  That’s not happenstance at all...it didn’t just happen in a vacuum 

Smellyman

Something good about Alabama football.  The video has more downvotes than upvotes, those bama fans are whack.  Must be weird for players to play for so many racists.  Conversely racist fans root for black players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxrQTuMNcTM

RoleModelsinBlood31

Josh dawsey is a self proclaimed muck raker in case you didn’t know.  Dude searches for garbage, wrote for the wsj as well as Politico.  Reading his for anything other than a laugh is questionable.  He writes anti-trump articles, rarely cites legit sources, and was put in the White House to find dirt.  No surprise that’s the name I saw on the article.  I wouldn’t call it fake news, i just would assume that’s it’s hearsay before fact.

oftenreading

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Josh dawsey is a self proclaimed muck raker in case you didn’t know.  Dude searches for garbage, wrote for the wsj as well as Politico.  Reading his for anything other than a laugh is questionable.  He writes anti-trump articles, rarely cites legit sources, and was put in the White House to find dirt.  No surprise that’s the name I saw on the article.  I wouldn’t call it fake news, i just would assume that’s it’s hearsay before fact.

Given that a "muckraker" is a journalist who investigates and exposes corruption in the political landscape, that's not a bad self-description. And lots of work for muckrakers in the current administration. 

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ah, the benevolence of wal mart, where full time employees earn about $28K a year, if you’re a full timer, on average. And that $1,000 bonus? You’re only eligible for the $1K if you have 20 years of service. Imagine working at wal mart for 20 years. What percentage of employees last that long? $50 a year for each year of service. Less than a dollar a week. How will they spend it all?

Is that right??  Only 20 year employees got the bonus?

Only 20+ year employees got the full bonus of $1,000. Tell me how many 20+ year employees there are at Walmart, particularly with their arcane work rules, schedule changes and other actions they took to encourage turnover and deny benefits? They were notorious for fucking over their “associates” during the 90s and 2000s.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

"according to people familiar with their reactions". and we wonder why people believe the term "fake news". 

There were enough people present that this was bound to leak.
Anonymous and unnamed sources have always been a part of journalism. 

The White House issued a statement that did not deny or confirm that he said it.

i know. it was just a funny way to put it. i've heard familiar with the situation, or familiar with the conversation, just never heard familiar with their reactions before. i could see how trump supporters would look at that and scoff. 

But that isn't fake news. You're right, they'd call it that. But saying "according to so-and-so" is far from being fake news. It's actually quite transparent. They are specifically telling people that they don't know for sure, they are just reporting what was said by others. Nothing fake or misleading about that. Fake would be if they literally made it all up and claimed otherwise, and nobody has a real reason to suspect that... not that plenty of dummies don't think it anyway.

but that's not what it said. it wasn't 'according to so and so', it was 'according to people familiar with their reactions', which is such a subjective viewpoint it could be taken in any number of ways. fake news is anything that is intentionally false, sensational, or misleading. depending on what 'familiar with their reactions' means, it could definitely fall under that category. 

Halifax2TheMax

oftenreading said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Josh dawsey is a self proclaimed muck raker in case you didn’t know.  Dude searches for garbage, wrote for the wsj as well as Politico.  Reading his for anything other than a laugh is questionable.  He writes anti-trump articles, rarely cites legit sources, and was put in the White House to find dirt.  No surprise that’s the name I saw on the article.  I wouldn’t call it fake news, i just would assume that’s it’s hearsay before fact.

Given that a "muckraker" is a journalist who investigates and exposes corruption in the political landscape, that's not a bad self-description. And lots of work for muckrakers in the current administration. 

Welcome to The Jungle.

oftenreading

Halifax2TheMax said:

oftenreading said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Josh dawsey is a self proclaimed muck raker in case you didn’t know.  Dude searches for garbage, wrote for the wsj as well as Politico.  Reading his for anything other than a laugh is questionable.  He writes anti-trump articles, rarely cites legit sources, and was put in the White House to find dirt.  No surprise that’s the name I saw on the article.  I wouldn’t call it fake news, i just would assume that’s it’s hearsay before fact.

Given that a "muckraker" is a journalist who investigates and exposes corruption in the political landscape, that's not a bad self-description. And lots of work for muckrakers in the current administration. 

Welcome to The Jungle.

It gets worse here everyday 

mrussel1

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ah, the benevolence of wal mart, where full time employees earn about $28K a year, if you’re a full timer, on average. And that $1,000 bonus? You’re only eligible for the $1K if you have 20 years of service. Imagine working at wal mart for 20 years. What percentage of employees last that long? $50 a year for each year of service. Less than a dollar a week. How will they spend it all?

Is that right??  Only 20 year employees got the bonus?

Only 20+ year employees got the full bonus of $1,000. Tell me how many 20+ year employees there are at Walmart, particularly with their arcane work rules, schedule changes and other actions they took to encourage turnover and deny benefits? They were notorious for fucking over their “associates” during the 90s and 2000s.

So you're talking about the white collar workers in Bentonville... not the store people I'm sure. 

Halifax2TheMax

PJPOWER said:

JC29856 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ah, the benevolence of wal mart, where full time employees earn about $28K a year, if you’re a full timer, on average. And that $1,000 bonus? You’re only eligible for the $1K if you have 20 years of service. Imagine working at wal mart for 20 years. What percentage of employees last that long? $50 a year for each year of service. Less than a dollar a week. How will they spend it all?

Some trivia before I leave?? What famous politician was once a WalMart board member?

Haha, just looked it up.  Hillbilly Rotten Clinton helped Wal Mart become the “ rhinoceros dick” blower that it is today!

Yea, sure. Hillary made a shitty company shittier by promoting the hiring of women in management and getting them to be more environmentally friendly. Fake news. Why am I not surprised by your portrayal? Still better than being a pasty white guy fucking over everyone you can for one of the richest families in America.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html

mrussel1

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Josh dawsey is a self proclaimed muck raker in case you didn’t know.  Dude searches for garbage, wrote for the wsj as well as Politico.  Reading his for anything other than a laugh is questionable.  He writes anti-trump articles, rarely cites legit sources, and was put in the White House to find dirt.  No surprise that’s the name I saw on the article.  I wouldn’t call it fake news, i just would assume that’s it’s hearsay before fact.

There were six senators in the room with him. No one has disputed it yet.  Plus Orin Hatch is livid.  I'm not sure it's fake...

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Josh dawsey is a self proclaimed muck raker in case you didn’t know.  Dude searches for garbage, wrote for the wsj as well as Politico.  Reading his for anything other than a laugh is questionable.  He writes anti-trump articles, rarely cites legit sources, and was put in the White House to find dirt.  No surprise that’s the name I saw on the article.  I wouldn’t call it fake news, i just would assume that’s it’s hearsay before fact.

There were six senators in the room with him. No one has disputed it yet.  Plus Orin Hatch is livid.  I'm not sure it's fake...

Furthermore, when news outlets put quotation marks around words, it generally means they’ve had at least one or two other sources verify what was said. They won’t tell you the sources but they usually won’t go to print otherwise. That it hasn’t been vociferously denied is telling. And, and, and, why would WaPo make something like this up or rush to print something when that racist piece of shit says something outrageously embarrassing 3 times a day every day anyway? It’s not like they’re desperate for material.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

rgambs said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

"according to people familiar with their reactions". and we wonder why people believe the term "fake news". 

There were enough people present that this was bound to leak.
Anonymous and unnamed sources have always been a part of journalism. 

The White House issued a statement that did not deny or confirm that he said it.

i know. it was just a funny way to put it. i've heard familiar with the situation, or familiar with the conversation, just never heard familiar with their reactions before. i could see how trump supporters would look at that and scoff. 

But that isn't fake news. You're right, they'd call it that. But saying "according to so-and-so" is far from being fake news. It's actually quite transparent. They are specifically telling people that they don't know for sure, they are just reporting what was said by others. Nothing fake or misleading about that. Fake would be if they literally made it all up and claimed otherwise, and nobody has a real reason to suspect that... not that plenty of dummies don't think it anyway.

but that's not what it said. it wasn't 'according to so and so', it was 'according to people familiar with their reactions', which is such a subjective viewpoint it could be taken in any number of ways. fake news is anything that is intentionally false, sensational, or misleading. depending on what 'familiar with their reactions' means, it could definitely fall under that category. 

No it couldn't. Reporting what others said isn't fake news in any way, shape or form. "According to people familiar with their reactions" is still them saying "all we know is what these people familiar with their reactions said". There is nothing wrong with that. They are being transparent by saying it that way.

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ah, the benevolence of wal mart, where full time employees earn about $28K a year, if you’re a full timer, on average. And that $1,000 bonus? You’re only eligible for the $1K if you have 20 years of service. Imagine working at wal mart for 20 years. What percentage of employees last that long? $50 a year for each year of service. Less than a dollar a week. How will they spend it all?

Is that right??  Only 20 year employees got the bonus?

Only 20+ year employees got the full bonus of $1,000. Tell me how many 20+ year employees there are at Walmart, particularly with their arcane work rules, schedule changes and other actions they took to encourage turnover and deny benefits? They were notorious for fucking over their “associates” during the 90s and 2000s.

So you're talking about the white collar workers in Bentonville... not the store people I'm sure. 

Ummm, no. Hourlies.

http://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_64831695ed493af9983f57b827e32a66

PJ_Soul

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ah, the benevolence of wal mart, where full time employees earn about $28K a year, if you’re a full timer, on average. And that $1,000 bonus? You’re only eligible for the $1K if you have 20 years of service. Imagine working at wal mart for 20 years. What percentage of employees last that long? $50 a year for each year of service. Less than a dollar a week. How will they spend it all?

Is that right??  Only 20 year employees got the bonus?

Only 20+ year employees got the full bonus of $1,000. Tell me how many 20+ year employees there are at Walmart, particularly with their arcane work rules, schedule changes and other actions they took to encourage turnover and deny benefits? They were notorious for fucking over their “associates” during the 90s and 2000s.

So you're talking about the white collar workers in Bentonville... not the store people I'm sure. 

Ummm, no. Hourlies.

http://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_64831695ed493af9983f57b827e32a66

I'm sure the white collars at headquarters get a hell of a lot more than $1000 bonus.

mrussel1

PJ_Soul said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ah, the benevolence of wal mart, where full time employees earn about $28K a year, if you’re a full timer, on average. And that $1,000 bonus? You’re only eligible for the $1K if you have 20 years of service. Imagine working at wal mart for 20 years. What percentage of employees last that long? $50 a year for each year of service. Less than a dollar a week. How will they spend it all?

Is that right??  Only 20 year employees got the bonus?

Only 20+ year employees got the full bonus of $1,000. Tell me how many 20+ year employees there are at Walmart, particularly with their arcane work rules, schedule changes and other actions they took to encourage turnover and deny benefits? They were notorious for fucking over their “associates” during the 90s and 2000s.

So you're talking about the white collar workers in Bentonville... not the store people I'm sure. 

Ummm, no. Hourlies.

http://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_64831695ed493af9983f57b827e32a66

I'm sure the white collars at headquarters get a hell of a lot more than $1000 bonus.

It didn't say that only non exempt would get the bonus.  It was a poorly constructed sentence. Could be read either way.   But there are likely many non exempts at the corporate level regardless... call center people,  accounting clerks,  etc. My point is there probably isn't  a helluva lot of 20 year employees at the stores, to qualify for the bonus.  

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Ah, the benevolence of wal mart, where full time employees earn about $28K a year, if you’re a full timer, on average. And that $1,000 bonus? You’re only eligible for the $1K if you have 20 years of service. Imagine working at wal mart for 20 years. What percentage of employees last that long? $50 a year for each year of service. Less than a dollar a week. How will they spend it all?

Is that right??  Only 20 year employees got the bonus?

Only 20+ year employees got the full bonus of $1,000. Tell me how many 20+ year employees there are at Walmart, particularly with their arcane work rules, schedule changes and other actions they took to encourage turnover and deny benefits? They were notorious for fucking over their “associates” during the 90s and 2000s.

So you're talking about the white collar workers in Bentonville... not the store people I'm sure. 

Ummm, no. Hourlies.

http://m.cnn.com/en/article/h_64831695ed493af9983f57b827e32a66

I'm sure the white collars at headquarters get a hell of a lot more than $1000 bonus.

It didn't say that only non exempt would get the bonus.  It was a poorly constructed sentence. Could be read either way.   But there are likely many non exempts at the corporate level regardless... call center people,  accounting clerks,  etc. My point is there probably isn't  a helluva lot of 20 year employees at the stores, to qualify for the bonus.  

It seems the thrust of the detail referred to “associates” which is how they refer to their hourlies.