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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 6,024
    Proof that you can judge a book by its cover. Never done a day of physical labor in their lives and it shows.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • eddieceddiec Posts: 3,025
    BS44325 said:
    my2hands said:
    He basically said Mexican immigrants ARE criminals, drug dealers, and rapists, but a few MIGHT be ok 

    And you think that isn't racist and xenophobic... fucking warped... you need to work on your reading comprehension, hombre 

    Those Nazis in Virginia had good people too, right?

    You justify the words of a racist clown, which makes you part of the problem, amigo 
    No. He didn’t basically say that. You hear what isn’t said. You refuse to accept that illegal immigration prevents one from filtering the bad from the good. You continue to choose to make the argument into something that it isn’t. It is an emotional hurdle that you will need to get over.

    The same goes for the protestors in Virginia...there were awful white supremacists there. There were also people who just didn’t want a statue torn down. It always amazes me when a progressive wants to paint all people with a broad brush.
    This is no emotional hurdle to overcome. Nor is it brilliance on Trump's part. These words weren't meant to be scrutinised or analysed. They were meant to paint Mexicans in a bad light. All in an effort to galvanise a base that needed a reason as to why they were struggling in life. You know it. I don't know why you aren't accepting that simple fact.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,413
    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:
    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:
    So apparently running a racist, xenophobic, sexist, ignorant, name calling, bullying, disgusting excuse for a political campaign is "brilliant" in some circles?

    That campaign was fucking disgusting, and FAR from brilliant... Unless of course you're a racist, sexist, xenophobe
    Sorry. It just wasn't any of those things. Other then the brilliant part.
    You're out of your fucking mind. Where do you come up with such ridiculous spin? You're losing any credibility you had left
    Spin? One doesn’t need to spin a win. Listen the difference between Trump and his opposition is that Trump would rather punch them directly in the face while his opposition would rather secretly pay a law firm to pay Fusion GPS to pay a british spy to pay a russian to dig up phony dirt and launder it back to government all in the name of national security. Both tactics are actually brilliant but one is a lot more respectable IMO.
    It’s evident you don’t know squat about Christopher Steele and how the Dossier came to be. Keep believing the myth, Professor.
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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 7,886
    JimmyV said:
    BS44325 said:
    JimmyV said:
    It can be both but it was not both.
    I really can't believe that this far out nobody on here can give him any credit at all for the campaign. I'm not talking about style points for f sakes...I'm talking about strategy! It was chaotic and ugly for sure but it was a strategy based on timing and instincts that completely paid off. Democratic strategist are openly discussing this so why can't the rest of you?
    Trump was not brilliant and did not run a brilliant campaign. That was what was said. You are free to give him as much credit as you like. If you think he was brilliant, fine. I don't.
    The Russians gave him credit.  He never paid them back.
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USAPosts: 3,237
    donald trump is a sick fucking asshole.  good day everyone
  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 7,886
    “Trudeau came to see me. He’s a good guy, Justin. He said, ‘No, no, we have no trade deficit with you, we have none. Donald, please' ... Nice guy, good-looking guy, comes in — ‘Donald, we have no trade deficit.’ He’s very proud because everybody else, you know, we’re getting killed. ... I said, ‘Wrong, Justin, you do.’ I didn’t even know. ... I had no idea. I just said, ‘You’re wrong.’ You know why? Because we’re so stupid."
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,413
    Tiki said:
    “Trudeau came to see me. He’s a good guy, Justin. He said, ‘No, no, we have no trade deficit with you, we have none. Donald, please' ... Nice guy, good-looking guy, comes in — ‘Donald, we have no trade deficit.’ He’s very proud because everybody else, you know, we’re getting killed. ... I said, ‘Wrong, Justin, you do.’ I didn’t even know. ... I had no idea. I just said, ‘You’re wrong.’ You know why? Because we’re so stupid."
    That folks is brilliant diplomacy.
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  • ConorKavanaghConorKavanagh 27Posts: 671
    BS44325 said:
    Exactly.
    So really none of this shit matters in the long run because he's probably going to be dead soon anyway. Then not long after that we will be too!
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 19,201
    my god this man is stupid. he thinks he's smart for lying to one of his closest allies, boasts about it in public, and it turns out he's dead wrong. $17 billion deficit? nope. $2.7 billion surplus, you fucking moron. 

    but hey....facts.....who needs em?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,413
    my god this man is stupid. he thinks he's smart for lying to one of his closest allies, boasts about it in public, and it turns out he's dead wrong. $17 billion deficit? nope. $2.7 billion surplus, you fucking moron. 

    but hey....facts.....who needs em?
    Certainly not 60 million + Team Trump Treason voters nor certain posters on here.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,939
    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:
    The Pennsylvania race proves it: Trump is a weight around the GOP’s neck

    In short, the vast majority of Republican officeholders will continue walking the tightrope. Too afraid of offending the GOP base, which is still solidly behind Trump, yet too afraid of generating a backlash among Democrats and independents, they are the proverbial deer caught in the headlights. They dare not dash to one side or another (solidly pro- or anti-Trump), but they are defenseless against the charge that they are enablers of a deeply unpopular president.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/03/14/the-pennsylvania-race-proves-it-trump-is-a-weight-around-the-gops-neck/?utm_term=.a68ed847eead
    The Pennsylvania race proves conservative democrats can win. Lamb did not run against Trump. He was a great candidate who vocally rejected Pelosi and supported most if not all of the GOP's positions. There is nothing wrong with that and in fact it is smart. The other thing the race proves is that Lamb's district is not filled with a bunch of misogynist, low-information racists who voted for Trump by 20 points but then all of a sudden came to their senses. The voters of this district were offered a young dynamic candidate who spoke to them with respect and for the most part agreed with them on centre-right issues.
    Trying to paint Lamb as an almost Republican is only showing your exposure to right wing media is too much. He’s pro-choice, pro-union, pro-stricter background check for guns, and opposes the repeal of ACA. 
    This just isn't true...

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/michael-barone-democrats-can-take-the-house-if-they-just-pick-conor-lamb-over-hillary-clinton

    Key quote:

    "A former Marine, he ran an ad showing him shooting an AR-15 and said, “new gun laws aren’t the answer to preventing more mass shootings like the one at a Florida high school.” Early on, he pledged not to vote for Nancy Pelosi for speaker (an issue which won’t come up until at least January 2019). While many Democrats are baying for impeachment, Lamb said, “We need the office of the presidency to succeed if we’re going to make any progress on these issues.”"
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 10,430
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:
    The Pennsylvania race proves it: Trump is a weight around the GOP’s neck

    In short, the vast majority of Republican officeholders will continue walking the tightrope. Too afraid of offending the GOP base, which is still solidly behind Trump, yet too afraid of generating a backlash among Democrats and independents, they are the proverbial deer caught in the headlights. They dare not dash to one side or another (solidly pro- or anti-Trump), but they are defenseless against the charge that they are enablers of a deeply unpopular president.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/03/14/the-pennsylvania-race-proves-it-trump-is-a-weight-around-the-gops-neck/?utm_term=.a68ed847eead
    The Pennsylvania race proves conservative democrats can win. Lamb did not run against Trump. He was a great candidate who vocally rejected Pelosi and supported most if not all of the GOP's positions. There is nothing wrong with that and in fact it is smart. The other thing the race proves is that Lamb's district is not filled with a bunch of misogynist, low-information racists who voted for Trump by 20 points but then all of a sudden came to their senses. The voters of this district were offered a young dynamic candidate who spoke to them with respect and for the most part agreed with them on centre-right issues.
    Trying to paint Lamb as an almost Republican is only showing your exposure to right wing media is too much. He’s pro-choice, pro-union, pro-stricter background check for guns, and opposes the repeal of ACA. 
    This just isn't true...

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/michael-barone-democrats-can-take-the-house-if-they-just-pick-conor-lamb-over-hillary-clinton

    Key quote:

    "A former Marine, he ran an ad showing him shooting an AR-15 and said, “new gun laws aren’t the answer to preventing more mass shootings like the one at a Florida high school.” Early on, he pledged not to vote for Nancy Pelosi for speaker (an issue which won’t come up until at least January 2019). While many Democrats are baying for impeachment, Lamb said, “We need the office of the presidency to succeed if we’re going to make any progress on these issues.”"

    A fairly diplomatic answer. Of course the US needs "the office of the presidency to succeed". That doesn't mean that this particular president will succeed.
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  • ConorKavanaghConorKavanagh 27Posts: 671
    In order for the office of the presidency to succeed probably there's needed a different president. Just my initial reaction to that statement when I read it written down in front of me. Trump needs to be gone as soon as possible before the whole world just accepts him as the new norm.
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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 10,430
    my god this man is stupid. he thinks he's smart for lying to one of his closest allies, boasts about it in public, and it turns out he's dead wrong. $17 billion deficit? nope. $2.7 billion surplus, you fucking moron. 

    but hey....facts.....who needs em?

    Outright lied about the trade figures because he really had no idea so hey, why not just make it up? It's not like anyone actually cares about the correct figures. Then boasts about it, of course, as he does with every little "accomplishment".

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/03/15/trump-boasts-he-made-up-facts_a_23386458/?utm_hp_ref=ca-homepage
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 21,413
    Kat said:
    Laws are for the little people.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,951
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:
    The Pennsylvania race proves it: Trump is a weight around the GOP’s neck

    In short, the vast majority of Republican officeholders will continue walking the tightrope. Too afraid of offending the GOP base, which is still solidly behind Trump, yet too afraid of generating a backlash among Democrats and independents, they are the proverbial deer caught in the headlights. They dare not dash to one side or another (solidly pro- or anti-Trump), but they are defenseless against the charge that they are enablers of a deeply unpopular president.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/03/14/the-pennsylvania-race-proves-it-trump-is-a-weight-around-the-gops-neck/?utm_term=.a68ed847eead
    The Pennsylvania race proves conservative democrats can win. Lamb did not run against Trump. He was a great candidate who vocally rejected Pelosi and supported most if not all of the GOP's positions. There is nothing wrong with that and in fact it is smart. The other thing the race proves is that Lamb's district is not filled with a bunch of misogynist, low-information racists who voted for Trump by 20 points but then all of a sudden came to their senses. The voters of this district were offered a young dynamic candidate who spoke to them with respect and for the most part agreed with them on centre-right issues.
    Trying to paint Lamb as an almost Republican is only showing your exposure to right wing media is too much. He’s pro-choice, pro-union, pro-stricter background check for guns, and opposes the repeal of ACA. 
    This just isn't true...

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/michael-barone-democrats-can-take-the-house-if-they-just-pick-conor-lamb-over-hillary-clinton

    Key quote:

    "A former Marine, he ran an ad showing him shooting an AR-15 and said, “new gun laws aren’t the answer to preventing more mass shootings like the one at a Florida high school.” Early on, he pledged not to vote for Nancy Pelosi for speaker (an issue which won’t come up until at least January 2019). While many Democrats are baying for impeachment, Lamb said, “We need the office of the presidency to succeed if we’re going to make any progress on these issues.”"
    It's not exactly political genius to pick a person that best matches the district.  Lamb is pro choice, pro organized labor and believes in moderate gun reform.  His opponent was pro life, anti-labor and wanted no reform.  They are not the same person. nor is he a Republican.  Burt you don't run the same candidate in NORCAL as PA.  That's just common fucking sense.  
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,684
    edited March 2018
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:
    The Pennsylvania race proves it: Trump is a weight around the GOP’s neck

    In short, the vast majority of Republican officeholders will continue walking the tightrope. Too afraid of offending the GOP base, which is still solidly behind Trump, yet too afraid of generating a backlash among Democrats and independents, they are the proverbial deer caught in the headlights. They dare not dash to one side or another (solidly pro- or anti-Trump), but they are defenseless against the charge that they are enablers of a deeply unpopular president.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/03/14/the-pennsylvania-race-proves-it-trump-is-a-weight-around-the-gops-neck/?utm_term=.a68ed847eead
    The Pennsylvania race proves conservative democrats can win. Lamb did not run against Trump. He was a great candidate who vocally rejected Pelosi and supported most if not all of the GOP's positions. There is nothing wrong with that and in fact it is smart. The other thing the race proves is that Lamb's district is not filled with a bunch of misogynist, low-information racists who voted for Trump by 20 points but then all of a sudden came to their senses. The voters of this district were offered a young dynamic candidate who spoke to them with respect and for the most part agreed with them on centre-right issues.
    Trying to paint Lamb as an almost Republican is only showing your exposure to right wing media is too much. He’s pro-choice, pro-union, pro-stricter background check for guns, and opposes the repeal of ACA. 
    This just isn't true...

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/michael-barone-democrats-can-take-the-house-if-they-just-pick-conor-lamb-over-hillary-clinton

    Key quote:

    "A former Marine, he ran an ad showing him shooting an AR-15 and said, “new gun laws aren’t the answer to preventing more mass shootings like the one at a Florida high school.” Early on, he pledged not to vote for Nancy Pelosi for speaker (an issue which won’t come up until at least January 2019). While many Democrats are baying for impeachment, Lamb said, “We need the office of the presidency to succeed if we’re going to make any progress on these issues.”"


    BS... grasping for straws... struggling to come to terms that a Trump +20 district lost 20% of the vote in just a year and a half.....


    Trump was there twice, as recently as last weekend. Pence was there. Don Jr was there. Face it, Trump is doing much more harm than good to the republican brand.


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  • i_lov_iti_lov_it Perth, Western AustraliaPosts: 3,932
    edited March 2018
    Kat said:
    Laws are for the little people.

    Well put...It seems Government are just Corporations...well atleast these days anyway...
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,476

    Say it with me, Donald Trump and Paul Ryan: Conor Lamb did not run as a conservative

    • Lamb wants to keep the Affordable Care Act in place. His opponent, Rick Saccone, wants it repealed.
    • Lamb blasted the GOP tax plan as “giveaway” to the rich. His opponent supports the plan.
    • Lamb said that he personally opposes abortion but that he doesn't think the right to have one should be taken away. His opponent flatly opposes abortion rights.
    • Lamb wants to strengthen background checks for gun sales, although he doesn't think there should be new restrictions on guns.
    • Lamb supports Trump's tariffs on steel and aluminum, even though GOP leaders including Ryan oppose them.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/03/15/say-it-with-me-donald-trump-and-paul-ryan-conor-lamb-did-not-run-as-a-conservative/?utm_term=.795af5ab4ab0
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,684
    dignin said:

    Say it with me, Donald Trump and Paul Ryan: Conor Lamb did not run as a conservative

    • Lamb wants to keep the Affordable Care Act in place. His opponent, Rick Saccone, wants it repealed.
    • Lamb blasted the GOP tax plan as “giveaway” to the rich. His opponent supports the plan.
    • Lamb said that he personally opposes abortion but that he doesn't think the right to have one should be taken away. His opponent flatly opposes abortion rights.
    • Lamb wants to strengthen background checks for gun sales, although he doesn't think there should be new restrictions on guns.
    • Lamb supports Trump's tariffs on steel and aluminum, even though GOP leaders including Ryan oppose them.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/03/15/say-it-with-me-donald-trump-and-paul-ryan-conor-lamb-did-not-run-as-a-conservative/?utm_term=.795af5ab4ab0

    Honestly? Let them think this way.....it's flawed and will only hurt them more in the fall
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,758
    edited March 2018
    BS44325 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    BS44325 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Trump: the wall has to be see-through. You have to know what's on the other side. 

    :rofl:

    I guess he'll be tendering out some force field companies?
    Did he really say it's going to be see-through? So what, like a fucking chain linked fence or like prison bars? It's really not a wall if you can see through it, lol.
    Ummmmm you ever heard of glass?
    Ummmmm yeah I have. You really think that's a viable option? I already brought up the window washing problem, lol.
    Haven’t any of you looked at the prototypes? It isn’t that complicated.
    What isn't? Yeah, I've seen the prototypes.... I don't know what point you're trying to make right now.
    Trump now seems to be in fences, not walls, lol, but he keeps insisting in a weirdly strong and determined way that this is going to be a wall. It's bizarre the way he keeps stressing that point while he now seems to be leaning towards security fences with what I'm just going to go ahead and call a kill zone in the middle.
    The prototypes are “walls” and some of them have areas at the bottom that are “see through”. Also the semantic of walls vs fences is so silly. Some high traffic areas will be “walls” other areas will be “fences”. In the end it won’t matter to anybody but the nitpickers. 
    Er, I'm not the one who made the semantics between walls and fences a thing. Trump very specifically did that himself, several times. I'm talking went way out of his way to point out the difference and kept insisting it's a WALL! A WAAALLLL! Not a fence! A wall! That's why I'm mentioning it, lol. Yes, it's silly, but not because of me.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,939
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:
    The Pennsylvania race proves it: Trump is a weight around the GOP’s neck

    In short, the vast majority of Republican officeholders will continue walking the tightrope. Too afraid of offending the GOP base, which is still solidly behind Trump, yet too afraid of generating a backlash among Democrats and independents, they are the proverbial deer caught in the headlights. They dare not dash to one side or another (solidly pro- or anti-Trump), but they are defenseless against the charge that they are enablers of a deeply unpopular president.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/03/14/the-pennsylvania-race-proves-it-trump-is-a-weight-around-the-gops-neck/?utm_term=.a68ed847eead
    The Pennsylvania race proves conservative democrats can win. Lamb did not run against Trump. He was a great candidate who vocally rejected Pelosi and supported most if not all of the GOP's positions. There is nothing wrong with that and in fact it is smart. The other thing the race proves is that Lamb's district is not filled with a bunch of misogynist, low-information racists who voted for Trump by 20 points but then all of a sudden came to their senses. The voters of this district were offered a young dynamic candidate who spoke to them with respect and for the most part agreed with them on centre-right issues.
    Trying to paint Lamb as an almost Republican is only showing your exposure to right wing media is too much. He’s pro-choice, pro-union, pro-stricter background check for guns, and opposes the repeal of ACA. 
    This just isn't true...

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/michael-barone-democrats-can-take-the-house-if-they-just-pick-conor-lamb-over-hillary-clinton

    Key quote:

    "A former Marine, he ran an ad showing him shooting an AR-15 and said, “new gun laws aren’t the answer to preventing more mass shootings like the one at a Florida high school.” Early on, he pledged not to vote for Nancy Pelosi for speaker (an issue which won’t come up until at least January 2019). While many Democrats are baying for impeachment, Lamb said, “We need the office of the presidency to succeed if we’re going to make any progress on these issues.”"

    A fairly diplomatic answer. Of course the US needs "the office of the presidency to succeed". That doesn't mean that this particular president will succeed.
    What I am illustrating is that Lamb is a unique candidate that Democrats should learn from. Go Beavers summation of Lamb is totally and utterly wrong.

    Here is Margaret Carlson who breaks this down for you in the same article where she bashes Trump

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/congrats-demsbut-dont-believe-that-there-are-dozens-of-conor-lambs-out-there

    You are all celebrating a victory by a candidate the progressive base generally disapproves of.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,939

    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:
    The Pennsylvania race proves it: Trump is a weight around the GOP’s neck

    In short, the vast majority of Republican officeholders will continue walking the tightrope. Too afraid of offending the GOP base, which is still solidly behind Trump, yet too afraid of generating a backlash among Democrats and independents, they are the proverbial deer caught in the headlights. They dare not dash to one side or another (solidly pro- or anti-Trump), but they are defenseless against the charge that they are enablers of a deeply unpopular president.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/03/14/the-pennsylvania-race-proves-it-trump-is-a-weight-around-the-gops-neck/?utm_term=.a68ed847eead
    The Pennsylvania race proves conservative democrats can win. Lamb did not run against Trump. He was a great candidate who vocally rejected Pelosi and supported most if not all of the GOP's positions. There is nothing wrong with that and in fact it is smart. The other thing the race proves is that Lamb's district is not filled with a bunch of misogynist, low-information racists who voted for Trump by 20 points but then all of a sudden came to their senses. The voters of this district were offered a young dynamic candidate who spoke to them with respect and for the most part agreed with them on centre-right issues.
    Trying to paint Lamb as an almost Republican is only showing your exposure to right wing media is too much. He’s pro-choice, pro-union, pro-stricter background check for guns, and opposes the repeal of ACA. 
    This just isn't true...

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/michael-barone-democrats-can-take-the-house-if-they-just-pick-conor-lamb-over-hillary-clinton

    Key quote:

    "A former Marine, he ran an ad showing him shooting an AR-15 and said, “new gun laws aren’t the answer to preventing more mass shootings like the one at a Florida high school.” Early on, he pledged not to vote for Nancy Pelosi for speaker (an issue which won’t come up until at least January 2019). While many Democrats are baying for impeachment, Lamb said, “We need the office of the presidency to succeed if we’re going to make any progress on these issues.”"
    It's not exactly political genius to pick a person that best matches the district.  Lamb is pro choice, pro organized labor and believes in moderate gun reform.  His opponent was pro life, anti-labor and wanted no reform.  They are not the same person. nor is he a Republican.  Burt you don't run the same candidate in NORCAL as PA.  That's just common fucking sense.  
    I shall post this again...

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/congrats-demsbut-dont-believe-that-there-are-dozens-of-conor-lambs-out-there

    What you and I call common fucking sense is apparently not common fucking sense to the progressive wing of the democratic party. You know this to be true mRussel as you have argued with these people before.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,939
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The next couple of weeks will be dangerous ones...

    https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/fourteen-days/

    For those begging for a tougher stand against Russia you better be careful of what you wish for.
    Except Trump won't do anything meaningful,  so why are you worried?
    It actually looks like they are doing plenty meaningful

    https://apnews.com/2964ce37e2084ae5b4c13da748b35cff/US-imposes-sanctions-on-Russians-for-US-election-meddling

    and being applauded for it


  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,951
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:

    dignin said:
    The Pennsylvania race proves it: Trump is a weight around the GOP’s neck

    In short, the vast majority of Republican officeholders will continue walking the tightrope. Too afraid of offending the GOP base, which is still solidly behind Trump, yet too afraid of generating a backlash among Democrats and independents, they are the proverbial deer caught in the headlights. They dare not dash to one side or another (solidly pro- or anti-Trump), but they are defenseless against the charge that they are enablers of a deeply unpopular president.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2018/03/14/the-pennsylvania-race-proves-it-trump-is-a-weight-around-the-gops-neck/?utm_term=.a68ed847eead
    The Pennsylvania race proves conservative democrats can win. Lamb did not run against Trump. He was a great candidate who vocally rejected Pelosi and supported most if not all of the GOP's positions. There is nothing wrong with that and in fact it is smart. The other thing the race proves is that Lamb's district is not filled with a bunch of misogynist, low-information racists who voted for Trump by 20 points but then all of a sudden came to their senses. The voters of this district were offered a young dynamic candidate who spoke to them with respect and for the most part agreed with them on centre-right issues.
    Trying to paint Lamb as an almost Republican is only showing your exposure to right wing media is too much. He’s pro-choice, pro-union, pro-stricter background check for guns, and opposes the repeal of ACA. 
    This just isn't true...

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/michael-barone-democrats-can-take-the-house-if-they-just-pick-conor-lamb-over-hillary-clinton

    Key quote:

    "A former Marine, he ran an ad showing him shooting an AR-15 and said, “new gun laws aren’t the answer to preventing more mass shootings like the one at a Florida high school.” Early on, he pledged not to vote for Nancy Pelosi for speaker (an issue which won’t come up until at least January 2019). While many Democrats are baying for impeachment, Lamb said, “We need the office of the presidency to succeed if we’re going to make any progress on these issues.”"
    It's not exactly political genius to pick a person that best matches the district.  Lamb is pro choice, pro organized labor and believes in moderate gun reform.  His opponent was pro life, anti-labor and wanted no reform.  They are not the same person. nor is he a Republican.  Burt you don't run the same candidate in NORCAL as PA.  That's just common fucking sense.  
    I shall post this again...

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/congrats-demsbut-dont-believe-that-there-are-dozens-of-conor-lambs-out-there

    What you and I call common fucking sense is apparently not common fucking sense to the progressive wing of the democratic party. You know this to be true mRussel as you have argued with these people before.
    There doesn't need to be dozens... there needs to be 24 districts that flip.  And at least 1/4 of those were already won by Clinton, so I like the chances.  
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,951
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The next couple of weeks will be dangerous ones...

    https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/fourteen-days/

    For those begging for a tougher stand against Russia you better be careful of what you wish for.
    Except Trump won't do anything meaningful,  so why are you worried?
    It actually looks like they are doing plenty meaningful

    https://apnews.com/2964ce37e2084ae5b4c13da748b35cff/US-imposes-sanctions-on-Russians-for-US-election-meddling

    and being applauded for it


    You must be freaking the fuck out about the Syria deadline now.  Is your bunker built?
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,199
    BS44325 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    BS44325 said:
    The next couple of weeks will be dangerous ones...

    https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/fourteen-days/

    For those begging for a tougher stand against Russia you better be careful of what you wish for.
    Except Trump won't do anything meaningful,  so why are you worried?
    It actually looks like they are doing plenty meaningful

    https://apnews.com/2964ce37e2084ae5b4c13da748b35cff/US-imposes-sanctions-on-Russians-for-US-election-meddling

    and being applauded for it


    The sanctions are mostly meaningless, because (ironically) most the people targeted are the ones indicted by Mueller.                       
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