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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,170
    disagree. he benefited from many things. running a brilliant campaign was not one of them. 

    if he ran a brilliant campaign, he would have to be brilliant no matter his opposition. had hillary been even slightly more likable and actualy run a campaign in the states that mattered (and that pesky FBI announcement days prior to voting), he would have lost. how brilliant could that be?
    If he'd run a brilliant campaign, he and his entire campaign staff wouldn't have been completely gobsmacked when it dawned on them that they might actually win the fucking thing. They didn't even WANT to win FFS, and it was never their plan to actually win, lol. They fell ass backwards into it, essentially. None of them ever though their tactics would actually work... that's what happens when you underestimate the stupidity of the masses.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    PJ_Soul said:
    If he'd run a brilliant campaign, he and his entire campaign staff wouldn't have been completely gobsmacked when it dawned on them that they might actually win the fucking thing. They didn't even WANT to win FFS, and it was never their plan to actually win, lol. They fell ass backwards into it, essentially. None of them ever though their tactics would actually work... that's what happens when you underestimate the stupidity of the masses.
    I totally agree with you on his staff as he pretty much ran a one-man campaign making calls on the fly. His presidency isn't very different. I also agree that he probably didn't think he would win but believed that he could win and adjusted everyday on his own to give himself the best possible chance. The question of "WANT" is something none of us can truly know. I believe he wanted to without fully thinking through what it meant. If he really didn't "want" to then he wouldn't have pushed as hard as he did during the final weeks. If you look back he campaigned in the last week like somebody who "wanted" it and not as somebody who was resigned to defeat.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,170
    True, in the last week, lol, he suddenly realized "omfg, I could actually win this?!" Right about the same time Comey did his thing, haha. So yeah... to me, that would suggest it wasn't a brilliant campaign. At the end of the day it worked, but that doesn't mean it was brilliant. It was, in fact, completely ridiculous.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,350
    He had no idea what the job of President of the United States entailed so whether or not he wanted to win is largely irrelevant. I'm willing to be he did want to win but in no way did he want the job that he now has.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited March 2018
    So apparently running a racist, xenophobic, sexist, ignorant, name calling, bullying, disgusting excuse for a political campaign is "brilliant" in some circles?

    That campaign was fucking disgusting, and FAR from brilliant... Unless of course you're a racist, sexist, xenophobe
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    You should be ashamed of your unaplogetic support of this piece of shit clown
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,317
    my2hands said:
    So apparently running a racist, xenophobic, sexist, ignorant, name calling, bullying, disgusting excuse for a political campaign is "brilliant" in some circles?

    That campaign was fucking disgusting, and FAR from brilliant... Unless of course you're a racist, sexist, xenophobe
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    my2hands said:
    You should be ashamed of your unaplogetic support of this piece of shit clown
    No I shouldn't because it isn't unapologetic. 
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    JimmyV said:
    He had no idea what the job of President of the United States entailed so whether or not he wanted to win is largely irrelevant. I'm willing to be he did want to win but in no way did he want the job that he now has.
    I don't disagree on what he believed the job entailed. I do disagree on whether he still wants the job...throughout all the chaos he doesn't seem discouraged at all. In fact I think that's what drives you all crazy the most. The man don't care.
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    my2hands said:
    So apparently running a racist, xenophobic, sexist, ignorant, name calling, bullying, disgusting excuse for a political campaign is "brilliant" in some circles?

    That campaign was fucking disgusting, and FAR from brilliant... Unless of course you're a racist, sexist, xenophobe
    Sorry. It just wasn't any of those things. Other then the brilliant part.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,170
    BS44325 said:

    Sorry. It just wasn't any of those things. Other then the brilliant part.
    Yeah it was. You either like that stuff or are in denial or are just kind of teasing/trolling us.
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,350
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yeah it was. You either like that stuff or are in denial or are just kind of teasing/trolling us.
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    Even if you are in complete denial about everything else, to say the campaign was not name calling is insane.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    BS44325 said:

    Sorry. It just wasn't any of those things. Other then the brilliant part.
    You're out of your fucking mind. Where do you come up with such ridiculous spin? You're losing any credibility you had left
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    PJ_Soul said:
    Yeah it was. You either like that stuff or are in denial or are just kind of teasing/trolling us.
    I don't like that stuff but you are right and I am wrong on the name calling and bullying.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,317
    JimmyV said:
    He had no idea what the job of President of the United States entailed so whether or not he wanted to win is largely irrelevant. I'm willing to be he did want to win but in no way did he want the job that he now has.
    Team Trump Treason by no means wants the peering into his personal business that the job he thought he could do like a New York real estate agent has lead to. The emperor has no clothes. He had many relationships with Russian monsters and oligarchs long before he ran for president.

    Follow the money from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Mexicans are rapists
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    my2hands said:
    Mexicans are rapists
    It’s funny how in your memory those words were actually said.
  • stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 3,384
    my2hands said:
    Mexicans are rapists
    ???
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    my2hands said:
    You're out of your fucking mind. Where do you come up with such ridiculous spin? You're losing any credibility you had left
    Spin? One doesn’t need to spin a win. Listen the difference between Trump and his opposition is that Trump would rather punch them directly in the face while his opposition would rather secretly pay a law firm to pay Fusion GPS to pay a british spy to pay a russian to dig up phony dirt and launder it back to government all in the name of national security. Both tactics are actually brilliant but one is a lot more respectable IMO.
  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited March 2018
    You're hopeless and not worth the keystrokes 
  • ConorKavanaghConorKavanagh Ireland Posts: 1,148
    We're all hopeless when you look at the situation that the planet has been in for the last few years. Probably hopeless even regardless of Trump.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,170
    BS44325 said:

    Spin? One doesn’t need to spin a win. Listen the difference between Trump and his opposition is that Trump would rather punch them directly in the face while his opposition would rather secretly pay a law firm to pay Fusion GPS to pay a british spy to pay a russian to dig up phony dirt and launder it back to government all in the name of national security. Both tactics are actually brilliant but one is a lot more respectable IMO.
    Here is what "punching them directly in the face" looks like in Trump's world:




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  • ConorKavanaghConorKavanagh Ireland Posts: 1,148
    The Iron Sheik has a more credible Twitter account than Donald Trump at this stage, and there's some fairly politically incorrect stuff on his one.
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited March 2018
    When Mexico sends it's people, they're no sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people. 

    That's about 1 minute into his speech launching his candidacy. It's racist. It's xenophobic. It's total bullshit. And if you don't see that, then we really have nothing further to discuss, because you're either clueless or just completely fucking warped.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,317
    BS44325 said:
    It’s funny how in your memory those words were actually said.
    Funny how in your memory they weren’t. Keep believing the myth.

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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    I bet if he said that about the jews you would have flipped your lid... but who gives a shit about Mexicans, right? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,317
    BS44325 said:

    Spin? One doesn’t need to spin a win. Listen the difference between Trump and his opposition is that Trump would rather punch them directly in the face while his opposition would rather secretly pay a law firm to pay Fusion GPS to pay a british spy to pay a russian to dig up phony dirt and launder it back to government all in the name of national security. Both tactics are actually brilliant but one is a lot more respectable IMO.
    You mean the guy who can’t even fire someone face to face is going to punch someone in the face? Crazy talk.
     
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 30,327
    Had lunch in Manhattan today with a financial conservative that knows Kudlow well.  Hes outraged with this pick and said he snorts an 8 ball a day.  Be interesting if he gets full clearance.  If he doesnt, this might be a reason.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    We're all hopeless when you look at the situation that the planet has been in for the last few years. Probably hopeless even regardless of Trump.
    Exactly.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    my2hands said:
    When Mexico sends it's people, they're no sending their best. They're not sending you. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people. 

    That's about 1 minute into his speech launching his candidacy. It's racist. It's xenophobic. It's total bullshit. And if you don't see that, then we really have nothing further to discuss, because you're either clueless or just completely fucking warped.
    “And some, I assume, are good people” which shows that what you “heard” and what he “said” are in fact different things. If you cannot recognize that this rambling refers to the bad amongst the good within illegal immigration then it is completely YOUR problem. There is bad amongst the good. It isn’t xenophobic and it isn’t bullshit. When you don’t control your borders you end up with both. 
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