Donald Trump

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJ_Soul said:

ledvedderman said:

I read that earlier. Pee tape changes nothing. We all know that Trump is a sleazy guy. Hell, a solid chunk of the people who voted for him don't believe he's a good person. Russian hookers peeing on one another changes nothing. 
Instead, give me video of the President personally asking for Russian help. Would that even do it though? Putin polls much higher than even President Obama amongst Trump voters. They'd probably give even that a pass. 
We can't impeach the guy over a sexual act...no matter what Newt and Ken Starr think. 

That isn't really the point I don't think. Doesn't anyone think he would be impeached for getting hookers to pee on each other as a fuck you to the dems? No. I think everyone just want to witness the proof for fun and spite and so there is further evidence of how disgusting he is. Of course, that dossier overall is likely another matter.

Personally, I would have liked to have known prior to the election that he was susceptible to blackmail from Russia. It's not like he admitted to the behavior and released the tape. Poor judgement on a future presidential candidate's part, the likes of which we're seeing and experiencing now after it's too late. Remember, Obama didn't release it but his intelligence team briefed Trump on it. PTAPE, where are you? The humiliation alone is worth it.

Well, if he doesn't leave office before this term is over, he's likely to run again... of course, by then, the PTAPE will pale in comparison to all the shit he did in office. I agree that the humiliation is worth it, lol. Not just for the sake of Trump, but also for his die-hard supporters.

if it ever gets released, and if he makes it through his whole first time, he won't be nominated in 2020. that would be just way too humiliating for the republican party. 

I don't give that party that much credit. They are humiliated either way, so I definitely won't be surprised if they do nominate him again, going on the "stay the course" kind of mindset... especially if he manages to start a war between now and then. Who knows?? NOTHING can be ruled out at this point. I didn't think it was possible that he'd be nominated the first time.... and then he was.

mrussel1

It may be humiliating for the party, but unfortunately it isn't humiliating for the grass roots or the voters.  There's no stopping them.  

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

It may be humiliating for the party, but unfortunately it isn't humiliating for the grass roots or the voters.  There's no stopping them.  

if he is forced to testify under oath about it, he will most certainly lie, and then they may have no choice. 

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

It may be humiliating for the party, but unfortunately it isn't humiliating for the grass roots or the voters.  There's no stopping them.  

if he is forced to testify under oath about it, he will most certainly lie, and then they may have no choice. 

Dude...you would be SHOCKED to see how these people think.  Go on to Breitbart and read the comments in an article.  They refuse to believe anything that doesn't fit precisely into their world view.  The grip on reality is gone...not even tenuous anymore.  Anything that moves against heir bias is 'fake news', 'CNN lies", etc.  It's really, literally insane.  So long as he goes after immigrants, they will stay with him.  Abortion, taxes, free market, foreign power collusion etc. none of the traditional pillars of Republicanism matter one iota.  

OnWis97

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

It may be humiliating for the party, but unfortunately it isn't humiliating for the grass roots or the voters.  There's no stopping them.  

if he is forced to testify under oath about it, he will most certainly lie, and then they may have no choice. 

Dude...you would be SHOCKED to see how these people think.  Go on to Breitbart and read the comments in an article.  They refuse to believe anything that doesn't fit precisely into their world view.  The grip on reality is gone...not even tenuous anymore.  Anything that moves against heir bias is 'fake news', 'CNN lies", etc.  It's really, literally insane.  So long as he goes after immigrants, they will stay with him.  Abortion, taxes, free market, foreign power collusion etc. none of the traditional pillars of Republicanism matter one iota.  

Yep.  There's nothing that will drop any of these people from his bandgwagon, short of him shooting a personal acquaintance.  To a third of the country, Breitbart, Fox, and Trump's Twitter are the only legitimate sources of news.

Go Beavers

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

It may be humiliating for the party, but unfortunately it isn't humiliating for the grass roots or the voters.  There's no stopping them.  

if he is forced to testify under oath about it, he will most certainly lie, and then they may have no choice. 

Dude...you would be SHOCKED to see how these people think.  Go on to Breitbart and read the comments in an article.  They refuse to believe anything that doesn't fit precisely into their world view.  The grip on reality is gone...not even tenuous anymore.  Anything that moves against heir bias is 'fake news', 'CNN lies", etc.  It's really, literally insane.  So long as he goes after immigrants, they will stay with him.  Abortion, taxes, free market, foreign power collusion etc. none of the traditional pillars of Republicanism matter one iota.  

Yep.  There's nothing that will drop any of these people from his bandgwagon, short of him shooting a personal acquaintance.  To a third of the country, Breitbart, Fox, and Trump's Twitter are the only legitimate sources of news.

I'd put the fully delusional trump suporters around 15%. 20% tops. It's really bizzare and sad to see, but at the same time it makes me grateful for the internet, because otherwise I'd have no idea about the thought process of this segment of the population. There's zero factual basis from their standpoint and it's solely emotional, mostly fear based.  

ledvedderman

Agree with the last two posts 100%. When he said last year he could go out on Fifth Avenue and shoot someone and lose zero support; he's pretty close to telling the truth. The people left are there for the long haul. A lot of these people don't like to admit they were wrong by supporting him- so if they keep their support...they can't be wrong. I would love to see a psychological makeup of these folks. Of folks who in every other aspect of their life, wouldn't support an unknown factor in how they invest their time or money. Yet pull the wild card on a candidate to run the country. 

ledvedderman

Go Beavers said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

It may be humiliating for the party, but unfortunately it isn't humiliating for the grass roots or the voters.  There's no stopping them.  

if he is forced to testify under oath about it, he will most certainly lie, and then they may have no choice. 

Dude...you would be SHOCKED to see how these people think.  Go on to Breitbart and read the comments in an article.  They refuse to believe anything that doesn't fit precisely into their world view.  The grip on reality is gone...not even tenuous anymore.  Anything that moves against heir bias is 'fake news', 'CNN lies", etc.  It's really, literally insane.  So long as he goes after immigrants, they will stay with him.  Abortion, taxes, free market, foreign power collusion etc. none of the traditional pillars of Republicanism matter one iota.  

Yep.  There's nothing that will drop any of these people from his bandgwagon, short of him shooting a personal acquaintance.  To a third of the country, Breitbart, Fox, and Trump's Twitter are the only legitimate sources of news.

I'd put the fully delusional trump suporters around 15%. 20% tops. It's really bizzare and sad to see, but at the same time it makes me grateful for the internet, because otherwise I'd have no idea about the thought process of this segment of the population. There's zero factual basis from their standpoint and it's solely emotional, mostly fear based.  

I don't know. I think your ceiling of 20% is way too low. I'd put it at 28-29%, which means we are almost there. The approval rating needle is going to move very slowly from here on out unless the economy tanks (if even then) or we go to war- where it will get up in the 40's. But I honestly think we're close to that now. 

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

It may be humiliating for the party, but unfortunately it isn't humiliating for the grass roots or the voters.  There's no stopping them.  

if he is forced to testify under oath about it, he will most certainly lie, and then they may have no choice. 

Dude...you would be SHOCKED to see how these people think.  Go on to Breitbart and read the comments in an article.  They refuse to believe anything that doesn't fit precisely into their world view.  The grip on reality is gone...not even tenuous anymore.  Anything that moves against heir bias is 'fake news', 'CNN lies", etc.  It's really, literally insane.  So long as he goes after immigrants, they will stay with him.  Abortion, taxes, free market, foreign power collusion etc. none of the traditional pillars of Republicanism matter one iota.  

I know. I was talking about congressional leaders, not his base. 

HughFreakingDillon

so Trump goes behind the back of the GOP and reaches a deal with the Dems to raise the debt ceiling. interesting. 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/06/politics/trump-deal-democrats-republicans/index.html

PJ_Soul

Go Beavers said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

It may be humiliating for the party, but unfortunately it isn't humiliating for the grass roots or the voters.  There's no stopping them.  

if he is forced to testify under oath about it, he will most certainly lie, and then they may have no choice. 

Dude...you would be SHOCKED to see how these people think.  Go on to Breitbart and read the comments in an article.  They refuse to believe anything that doesn't fit precisely into their world view.  The grip on reality is gone...not even tenuous anymore.  Anything that moves against heir bias is 'fake news', 'CNN lies", etc.  It's really, literally insane.  So long as he goes after immigrants, they will stay with him.  Abortion, taxes, free market, foreign power collusion etc. none of the traditional pillars of Republicanism matter one iota.  

Yep.  There's nothing that will drop any of these people from his bandgwagon, short of him shooting a personal acquaintance.  To a third of the country, Breitbart, Fox, and Trump's Twitter are the only legitimate sources of news.

I'd put the fully delusional trump suporters around 15%. 20% tops. It's really bizzare and sad to see, but at the same time it makes me grateful for the internet, because otherwise I'd have no idea about the thought process of this segment of the population. There's zero factual basis from their standpoint and it's solely emotional, mostly fear based.  

Ironically, if it weren't for the internet, Trump never would have won and these crazy Trump supporters would probably have pretty normal ideas about things.

HughFreakingDillon

double post? 

Go Beavers

ledvedderman said:

Go Beavers said:

OnWis97 said:

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

It may be humiliating for the party, but unfortunately it isn't humiliating for the grass roots or the voters.  There's no stopping them.  

if he is forced to testify under oath about it, he will most certainly lie, and then they may have no choice. 

Dude...you would be SHOCKED to see how these people think.  Go on to Breitbart and read the comments in an article.  They refuse to believe anything that doesn't fit precisely into their world view.  The grip on reality is gone...not even tenuous anymore.  Anything that moves against heir bias is 'fake news', 'CNN lies", etc.  It's really, literally insane.  So long as he goes after immigrants, they will stay with him.  Abortion, taxes, free market, foreign power collusion etc. none of the traditional pillars of Republicanism matter one iota.  

Yep.  There's nothing that will drop any of these people from his bandgwagon, short of him shooting a personal acquaintance.  To a third of the country, Breitbart, Fox, and Trump's Twitter are the only legitimate sources of news.

I'd put the fully delusional trump suporters around 15%. 20% tops. It's really bizzare and sad to see, but at the same time it makes me grateful for the internet, because otherwise I'd have no idea about the thought process of this segment of the population. There's zero factual basis from their standpoint and it's solely emotional, mostly fear based.  

I don't know. I think your ceiling of 20% is way too low. I'd put it at 28-29%, which means we are almost there. The approval rating needle is going to move very slowly from here on out unless the economy tanks (if even then) or we go to war- where it will get up in the 40's. But I honestly think we're close to that now. 

My break down goes like this: if we have 15% delusional trump suppoerters, that leaves about 20% of the country as more rationally minded trump supporters. In that 20% there's the old crusty die hard republicans who think he's rude and underqualified, but red is always better than blue no matter what, and hey, tax cuts! There's also strong support from conservative Chrisitan fundamentalists. They don't approve of trump the individual, who they see as morally lacking, but that his policies of appointing conservative scotus judges along with his isoloationist stance is what God wants, basically. One world government is the work of the Devil and with that, their way of life and ability to worship would be eliminated. God put trump their to open a doorway to some sort of Christian revival, where God is the answer, not the government. There's also a segment of that 20% who just want to see things get upended in the system. trump's complete lack of abilities is doing this. 

ikiT

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mrussel1 said:

It may be humiliating for the party, but unfortunately it isn't humiliating for the grass roots or the voters.  There's no stopping them.  

if he is forced to testify under oath about it, he will most certainly lie, and then they may have no choice. 

Dude...you would be SHOCKED to see how these people think.  Go on to Breitbart and read the comments in an article.  They refuse to believe anything that doesn't fit precisely into their world view.  The grip on reality is gone...not even tenuous anymore.  Anything that moves against heir bias is 'fake news', 'CNN lies", etc.  It's really, literally insane.  So long as he goes after immigrants, they will stay with him.  Abortion, taxes, free market, foreign power collusion etc. none of the traditional pillars of Republicanism matter one iota.  

I can say from experience that they are fucking delusional over there. 

Halifax2TheMax

Some interesting insight here. Untenable to be tied to Trump except in the most red red districts in the most red of red states and gerrymandered red districts. You can't win re-election or claim a mandate with 38%, primarily your base, supporting you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/09/06/new-poll-obama-trump-voters-are-starting-to-sour-on-trump/?utm_term=.a8beb23221d6&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

PJ_Soul

Halifax2TheMax said:

Some interesting insight here. Untenable to be tied to Trump except in the most red red districts in the most red of red states and gerrymandered red districts. You can't win re-election or claim a mandate with 38%, primarily your base, supporting you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/09/06/new-poll-obama-trump-voters-are-starting-to-sour-on-trump/?utm_term=.a8beb23221d6&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

You can easily win re-election with 38% when only 60% of eligible voters go to the polls.

Halifax2TheMax

PJ_Soul said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Some interesting insight here. Untenable to be tied to Trump except in the most red red districts in the most red of red states and gerrymandered red districts. You can't win re-election or claim a mandate with 38%, primarily your base, supporting you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/09/06/new-poll-obama-trump-voters-are-starting-to-sour-on-trump/?utm_term=.a8beb23221d6&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

You can easily win re-election with 38% when only 60% of eligible voters go to the polls.

Not happening. Trump's base is not a majority of voters in any election. Unless its a republican primary in a red state in a red district.

HughFreakingDillon

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJ_Soul said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Some interesting insight here. Untenable to be tied to Trump except in the most red red districts in the most red of red states and gerrymandered red districts. You can't win re-election or claim a mandate with 38%, primarily your base, supporting you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/09/06/new-poll-obama-trump-voters-are-starting-to-sour-on-trump/?utm_term=.a8beb23221d6&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

You can easily win re-election with 38% when only 60% of eligible voters go to the polls.

Not happening. Trump's base is not a majority of voters in any election. Unless its a republican primary in a red state in a red district.

that's what everyone, myself included, said 8 months ago. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

PJ_Soul said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Some interesting insight here. Untenable to be tied to Trump except in the most red red districts in the most red of red states and gerrymandered red districts. You can't win re-election or claim a mandate with 38%, primarily your base, supporting you.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/09/06/new-poll-obama-trump-voters-are-starting-to-sour-on-trump/?utm_term=.a8beb23221d6&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1

You can easily win re-election with 38% when only 60% of eligible voters go to the polls.

Not happening. Trump's base is not a majority of voters in any election. Unless its a republican primary in a red state in a red district.

that's what everyone, myself included, said 8 months ago. 

Exactly. One thing I learned from the last US election and everything that has happened since then: Never ever rule anything out when it comes to American politics, no matter how crazy and awful it sounds. 

Halifax2TheMax

Trumps base did not win him the election 8 months ago. Rather, it was his energized base + disaffected Obama supporters, bitter Bernie Bros and independents (with Russian collusion) combined to give him a narrow victory. That 35%-38%, of his core base, will not win him a re-election or give him a mandate. Unless of course everyone else stays home. Not happening. 2,864,974 more voted for Hillary but you know, the Electoral College.