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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,500
    Tiki said:
    I see one side instigating.  Yes?
    That's what it looked like to me.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    edited August 2017
    https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/trumpito-the-racist/5994adab0b7465610778fa62
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited August 2017
    PJPOWER said:
    Tiki said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thhd-VM6mW4 
    The only people I respect in that video are the state police "trying" to do their job and get home to their families.
    The guy at 4:04 :rofl:
    The look of -What happened in my life to get me right here right now?
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Wait..what about that ONE guy at GWU in DC that got arrested?  
    How do we know he was part of Antifa?  He didn't have a uniform on.  He wasn't carrying a shield, didn't have a discernible tattoo.  Is our only evidence the what the filmer said?  And it didn't exactly look like he was a part of some large scale action.  
    False equivalency...
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited August 2017
    I thought the terms false equivalency and whataboutisms were taking a break for awhile?
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2017
    Tiki said:
    I see one side instigating.  Yes?
    I see a bunch of people scampering around like jack asses, hard to differentiate who is who.  Rocks being thrown both ways, chaos.  There are a lot of people there that do not appear to be affiliated with Antifa or the Nazis that are bloodied...How many of those are actually people of Charlettsville?  They are the ones I feel sorry for in that mess of shitheads.

    https://youtu.be/4S2TZOdXAtQ
    She says it better than I ever could.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    I still see no evidence as to what YOU and your President are saying.  Problematic, no?
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Facts aren't required, just statements.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2017
    Tiki said:
    I still see no evidence as to what YOU and your President are saying.  Problematic, no?
    https://youtu.be/4S2TZOdXAtQ
    You left her ^^^ out.  She sees it.  I'm guessing she's a Nazi sympathizer, white supremacist too, right?
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    PJPOWER said:
    Tiki said:
    I still see no evidence as to what YOU and your President are saying.  Problematic, no?
    https://youtu.be/4S2TZOdXAtQ
    You left her ^^^ out.  She sees it.  I'm guessing she's a Nazi sympathizer, white supremacist too, right?

    People won't watch this.  It's too late. You're a Nazi! in some eyes.
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Statements aren't facts.

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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,670
    PJPOWER said:
    Go Beavers said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Tiki said:
    Not really an example of antifa behavior from Charlottesville.  
    Black Lives Matter, bro.
    Denial must be fun, keep defending Antifa thugs
    Trying to say antifa and white supremacists are essentially the same is a logic fail and a denial of historical facts as well as the group's objectives. 
    I have never eluded that they are the same.  Just pointed out that they are both fuckhead violence inticers in their own, unique, individuality.  Two separate groups, both fucking wrong and guilty of escalating devision through their fascist tactics.  Condemnation of both groups does not equate to supporting one.  Some of you are so wrapped up in your hate...it's sad actually.
    No indicator of hate from me. Maybe using 'same' was incorrect, but you did clarify where you see similarities. There would be no discussion of antifa in here if there was no trump. That is a big difference. You disaprove of their tactics and probably misconstrue things based on accusing them of similar escalation. 


  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Go Beavers said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Go Beavers said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Tiki said:
    Not really an example of antifa behavior from Charlottesville.  
    Black Lives Matter, bro.
    Denial must be fun, keep defending Antifa thugs
    Trying to say antifa and white supremacists are essentially the same is a logic fail and a denial of historical facts as well as the group's objectives. 
    I have never eluded that they are the same.  Just pointed out that they are both fuckhead violence inticers in their own, unique, individuality.  Two separate groups, both fucking wrong and guilty of escalating devision through their fascist tactics.  Condemnation of both groups does not equate to supporting one.  Some of you are so wrapped up in your hate...it's sad actually.
    No indicator of hate from me. Maybe using 'same' was incorrect, but you did clarify where you see similarities. There would be no discussion of antifa in here if there was no trump. That is a big difference. You disaprove of their tactics and probably misconstrue things based on accusing them of similar escalation. 


    And that's probably the main difference.  I disapprove of violence and burning shit up as a means of decreasing hate and bigotry or any political agenda.  Others see it as acceptable...
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,142

    To PJPower:

    PJPower said, Page 272, 10:16 a.m.: They are both on the wrong "side", the side that encourages violence against people that do not perfectly align with their views.

    I was responding that there is no alignment with Nazi's and their views as you so aptly made the comparison. Maybe you'd like to explain to us which Nazi views we should, or that you, align with? I align with Antifa in their opposition to Nazis. I do not align with any Nazi views.

    Are you sure the opposition didn't have a permit to march?

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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Had 2 for other locations. Didn't need one for where they were.

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/aug/17/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrong-charlottesville-counter-protest/
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2017
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    To PJPower:

    PJPower said, Page 272, 10:16 a.m.: They are both on the wrong "side", the side that encourages violence against people that do not perfectly align with their views.

    I was responding that there is no alignment with Nazi's and their views as you so aptly made the comparison. Maybe you'd like to explain to us which Nazi views we should, or that you, align with? I align with Antifa in their opposition to Nazis. I do not align with any Nazi views.

    Are you sure the opposition didn't have a permit to march?

    The key word there is "perfectly" align.  Do you "perfectly" align with either group, meaning support everything they do...or are you a little more moderate in your ideals?  I never said anyone should align with any Nazi views, but solid attempt at demonizing :)
    I align with the idea of anti-fascism, but do not align with the idea that you should dress all "black bloc", riot and destroy innocent people's property to push your viewpoint, therefor I do not perfectly align with Antifa and would probably get pepper sprayed if I ever accidentally walked into one of their riots.  I also do no align with socialist or communism.  Does that clear it up?
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    What are you basing this antifa indescrimantely pepper spraying everyone in sight without prejudice and smashing Starbucks windows narrative on?  

    That didn't happen in Charlottesville VA, which is what we're talking about.  

    You know what did happen there?  
    Out of position, improperly equipped cops, dealing with hundreds of open carry asshole Nazis and a bunch of Patriots who weren't interested in their shit.  And one ISIS wanna be who aimed his car into a crowd of people.  Unless you were there, (doubt it) or have some other inside info about how antifa just ruined a perfectly good KKK march, spare us your sorry excuses for why people shouldn't fight back against this type of bullshit.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    BRO
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Tiki said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thhd-VM6mW4 
    Madness.

    I respect those people that showed up to protest the nazi morons.

    I have zero respect for the nazi morons. They are less than insects to me.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Tiki said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Thhd-VM6mW4 
    Madness.

    I respect those people that showed up to protest the nazi morons.

    I have zero respect for the nazi morons. They are less than insects to me.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
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