* Do any Trump supporters even come to this thread anymore? It's become a piling on thread. I'm okay with it, but I wish those fools would appear every now and detail their mindset so we can at least gauge people's commitment to stupidity or their learning process as they acknowledge their error.
I am a Republican voter. Why would I appear here and participate in this conversation if you believe I'm a "fool" before you've heard me out? This is the problem of this thread. I live in a strong conservative community where many share the same beliefs. I come here to lurk and read the views of those that don't think like me. I would never join this debate on this forum. Your opinion is already developed...
This sounds to me like a euphemistic expression of a lack of confidence in the strength of your arguments.
Wrong. But again, my opinions are discounted before having heard them.
Well, it's not like this is the Breitbart forum . You may get some very lively responses and be in the minority, but that could be any thread in the AMT. I'm pretty sure none of us on here 100% agree on any topic. I don't agree with everything said in any forum topic and will state my position and view even though it may not be popular or accepted. I don't speak my opinions with the intent of making someone else agree with me, but I do hope it offers a different perspective that maybe wasn't considered. I am actually more interested in the response I get regarding my opinion or line of thinking because it exposes it to critical review, which benefits everyone involved.
There's a lot be said for infiltrating the echo chamber that is BB.
the thing is, many democrats also support many of those agendas, but in a sensible, bipartisan manner. Obama himself has said ACA needs improvement. everyone knows immigration reform is needed. not this "let's gut all of Obama's policies no matter the cost" that Trump is trying to bash through. it's clear all he cares about is dismantling Obama's legacy, and calling that his own. he is a brutal failure already, and it's not going to get better.
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* Do any Trump supporters even come to this thread anymore? It's become a piling on thread. I'm okay with it, but I wish those fools would appear every now and detail their mindset so we can at least gauge people's commitment to stupidity or their learning process as they acknowledge their error.
I am a Republican voter. Why would I appear here and participate in this conversation if you believe I'm a "fool" before you've heard me out? This is the problem of this thread. I live in a strong conservative community where many share the same beliefs. I come here to lurk and read the views of those that don't think like me. I would never join this debate on this forum. Your opinion is already developed...
This sounds to me like a euphemistic expression of a lack of confidence in the strength of your arguments.
Wrong. But again, my opinions are discounted before having heard them.
Let's hear them. I'm a roast, baste me.
I'd like to hear them as well. I'm interested in having a voter/supporter of his come on here and defend him and his words and behaviors in a clear, concise, and cogent manner. Not as a troll
I should have been more clear when putting myself out here. I stated I am a republican voter. I'm not the guy that defends Trump's every move. Those are the people I think you're looking for. I'm not that person. So I'm not going to defend a lot of what is taking place. I can't, I won't. What has transpired is far from my hopes of a Trump presidency. Outside of my 401(k) growth, not a whole lot has been accomplished that I can be proud of. I did NOT vote for Trump in the primaries. I did not think he was a serious candidate.
I won't go line by line how I feel about all the issues, but I still support much of the republican agenda. Specifically replacement of the ACA, immigration reform, social program and welfare stability (not growth), among others. Given my feelings on the issues, I would not have voted democrat in the 2016 election.
Thanks for your well thought out response. This is an example of what we need more of on here. Yes this is the fan forum of a very left leaning, liberal, democrat supporting band. But differing opinions, when they are thoughtfully and intelligently presented, are always welcome. As far I know, and other than my own increasing 401K, nothing has been accomplished by the currently elected president (and I wont give him credit for that either) beyond creating more divisiveness among Americans.
I should have been more clear when putting myself out here. I stated I am a republican voter. I'm not the guy that defends Trump's every move. Those are
Thanks for your well thought out response. This is an example of what we need more of on here. Yes this is the fan forum of a very left leaning, liberal, democrat supporting band. But differing opinions, when they are thoughtfully and intelligently presented, are always welcome. As far I know, and other than my own increasing 401K, nothing has been accomplished by the currently elected president (and I wont give him credit for that either) beyond creating more divisiveness among Americans.
Yeah, let's say accomplishments "since the election in November" without giving credit.
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* Do any Trump supporters even come to this thread anymore? It's become a piling on thread. I'm okay with it, but I wish those fools would appear every now and detail their mindset so we can at least gauge people's commitment to stupidity or their learning process as they acknowledge their error.
I am a Republican voter. Why would I appear here and participate in this conversation if you believe I'm a "fool" before you've heard me out? This is the problem of this thread. I live in a strong conservative community where many share the same beliefs. I come here to lurk and read the views of those that don't think like me. I would never join this debate on this forum. Your opinion is already developed...
This sounds to me like a euphemistic expression of a lack of confidence in the strength of your arguments.
Wrong. But again, my opinions are discounted before having heard them.
Let's hear them. I'm a roast, baste me.
I'd like to hear them as well. I'm interested in having a voter/supporter of his come on here and defend him and his words and behaviors in a clear, concise, and cogent manner. Not as a troll
I should have been more clear when putting myself out here. I stated I am a republican voter. I'm not the guy that defends Trump's every move. Those are the people I think you're looking for. I'm not that person. So I'm not going to defend a lot of what is taking place. I can't, I won't. What has transpired is far from my hopes of a Trump presidency. Outside of my 401(k) growth, not a whole lot has been accomplished that I can be proud of. I did NOT vote for Trump in the primaries. I did not think he was a serious candidate.
I won't go line by line how I feel about all the issues, but I still support much of the republican agenda. Specifically replacement of the ACA, immigration reform, social program and welfare stability (not growth), among others. Given my feelings on the issues, I would not have voted democrat in the 2016 election.
Thanks for this reply.
So, you're saying that, given what you know now, you still wouldn't have voted democrat in the last election. Would you have voted for trump, or someone else, or not voted?
I hate to say, but I likely would have not voted, which would have been a first for me. And hopefully the last.
When I became an eligible voter I never would have imagined there would be a time in which I had trouble supporting either party's candidate.
Atlanta 2003 Columbia 2008 Charlotte 2013 Seattle 2013 Greenville 2016
* Do any Trump supporters even come to this thread anymore? It's become a piling on thread. I'm okay with it, but I wish those fools would appear every now and detail their mindset so we can at least gauge people's commitment to stupidity or their learning process as they acknowledge their error.
I am a Republican voter. Why would I appear here and participate in this conversation if you believe I'm a "fool" before you've heard me out? This is the problem of this thread. I live in a strong conservative community where many share the same beliefs. I come here to lurk and read the views of those that don't think like me. I would never join this debate on this forum. Your opinion is already developed...
This sounds to me like a euphemistic expression of a lack of confidence in the strength of your arguments.
Wrong. But again, my opinions are discounted before having heard them.
Let's hear them. I'm a roast, baste me.
I'd like to hear them as well. I'm interested in having a voter/supporter of his come on here and defend him and his words and behaviors in a clear, concise, and cogent manner. Not as a troll
I should have been more clear when putting myself out here. I stated I am a republican voter. I'm not the guy that defends Trump's every move. Those are the people I think you're looking for. I'm not that person. So I'm not going to defend a lot of what is taking place. I can't, I won't. What has transpired is far from my hopes of a Trump presidency. Outside of my 401(k) growth, not a whole lot has been accomplished that I can be proud of. I did NOT vote for Trump in the primaries. I did not think he was a serious candidate.
I won't go line by line how I feel about all the issues, but I still support much of the republican agenda. Specifically replacement of the ACA, immigration reform, social program and welfare stability (not growth), among others. Given my feelings on the issues, I would not have voted democrat in the 2016 election.
Thanks for this reply.
So, you're saying that, given what you know now, you still wouldn't have voted democrat in the last election. Would you have voted for trump, or someone else, or not voted?
I hate to say, but I likely would have not voted, which would have been a first for me. And hopefully the last.
When I became an eligible voter I never would have imagined there would be a time in which I had trouble supporting either party's candidate.
it's becoming more and more difficult to tell the difference between the two candidates, Democrat and Republican.
if Hilliary was the GOP nominee would you have voted for her?
* Do any Trump supporters even come to this thread anymore? It's become a piling on thread. I'm okay with it, but I wish those fools would appear every now and detail their mindset so we can at least gauge people's commitment to stupidity or their learning process as they acknowledge their error.
I am a Republican voter. Why would I appear here and participate in this conversation if you believe I'm a "fool" before you've heard me out? This is the problem of this thread. I live in a strong conservative community where many share the same beliefs. I come here to lurk and read the views of those that don't think like me. I would never join this debate on this forum. Your opinion is already developed...
This sounds to me like a euphemistic expression of a lack of confidence in the strength of your arguments.
Wrong. But again, my opinions are discounted before having heard them.
Let's hear them. I'm a roast, baste me.
I'd like to hear them as well. I'm interested in having a voter/supporter of his come on here and defend him and his words and behaviors in a clear, concise, and cogent manner. Not as a troll
I should have been more clear when putting myself out here. I stated I am a republican voter. I'm not the guy that defends Trump's every move. Those are the people I think you're looking for. I'm not that person. So I'm not going to defend a lot of what is taking place. I can't, I won't. What has transpired is far from my hopes of a Trump presidency. Outside of my 401(k) growth, not a whole lot has been accomplished that I can be proud of. I did NOT vote for Trump in the primaries. I did not think he was a serious candidate.
I won't go line by line how I feel about all the issues, but I still support much of the republican agenda. Specifically replacement of the ACA, immigration reform, social program and welfare stability (not growth), among others. Given my feelings on the issues, I would not have voted democrat in the 2016 election.
This is a good comment. Really good actually.
It seems to me that perhaps you might have been let down by your Republican party. You might have spoiled your ballot or not voted at all given the alternative of supporting the orange one.
Trump isn't a Republican. I think we should all be able to dispel that notion. His stance on trade alone makes eliminates him from that territory. Trump is a Trumpist. It's a low grade cult of whatever decision leads to the ability to declare victory, regardless of the principle. I just don't understand how the lemmings fall in step at every turn. No matter what he says, they support it. It's really astounding. And I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi with this statement, but it makes clear how a country like German fell to the forces of evil without a fight back in 33. There are so many people that will support a person regardless of the position. We are witnessing it first hand.
Trump isn't a Republican. I think we should all be able to dispel that notion. His stance on trade alone makes eliminates him from that territory. Trump is a Trumpist. It's a low grade cult of whatever decision leads to the ability to declare victory, regardless of the principle. I just don't understand how the lemmings fall in step at every turn. No matter what he says, they support it. It's really astounding. And I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi with this statement, but it makes clear how a country like German fell to the forces of evil without a fight back in 33. There are so many people that will support a person regardless of the position. We are witnessing it first hand.
Recent polling shows that the vast majority of republicans support Trump but don't support the party. Things evolve, this is now the republican party.
Republicans are signaling they prefer President Donald Trump's vision for the party, with 79% saying he is taking it in the right direction. A majority of GOP voters -- 53% -- believe Republican leaders in Congress are taking the party in the wrong direction.
the thing is, many democrats also support many of those agendas, but in a sensible, bipartisan manner. Obama himself has said ACA needs improvement. everyone knows immigration reform is needed. not this "let's gut all of Obama's policies no matter the cost" that Trump is trying to bash through. it's clear all he cares about is dismantling Obama's legacy, and calling that his own. he is a brutal failure already, and it's not going to get better.
Yes I agree completely, but how to reform differs greatly on both sides of the aisle. We all wish for a "sensible, bipartisan manner", but that isn't happening right now regardless of who is sitting in the oval office.
Regarding what you said about 'welfare stability, and not growth', you know the rate of people on public assistance has been dropping for several years now.
Trump isn't a Republican. I think we should all be able to dispel that notion. His stance on trade alone makes eliminates him from that territory. Trump is a Trumpist. It's a low grade cult of whatever decision leads to the ability to declare victory, regardless of the principle. I just don't understand how the lemmings fall in step at every turn. No matter what he says, they support it. It's really astounding. And I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi with this statement, but it makes clear how a country like German fell to the forces of evil without a fight back in 33. There are so many people that will support a person regardless of the position. We are witnessing it first hand.
Recent polling shows that the vast majority of republicans support Trump but don't support the party. Things evolve, this is now the republican party.
Republicans are signaling they prefer President Donald Trump's vision for the party, with 79% saying he is taking it in the right direction. A majority of GOP voters -- 53% -- believe Republican leaders in Congress are taking the party in the wrong direction.
I actually think it's the Lemming state. But maybe not. Maybe he is the voice of those "Republicans". The whole thing is scary, to be honest. It doesn't worry me that the country is so partisan so much as it being linked to race.
Trump isn't a Republican. I think we should all be able to dispel that notion. His stance on trade alone makes eliminates him from that territory. Trump is a Trumpist. It's a low grade cult of whatever decision leads to the ability to declare victory, regardless of the principle. I just don't understand how the lemmings fall in step at every turn. No matter what he says, they support it. It's really astounding. And I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi with this statement, but it makes clear how a country like German fell to the forces of evil without a fight back in 33. There are so many people that will support a person regardless of the position. We are witnessing it first hand.
Recent polling shows that the vast majority of republicans support Trump but don't support the party. Things evolve, this is now the republican party.
Republicans are signaling they prefer President Donald Trump's vision for the party, with 79% saying he is taking it in the right direction. A majority of GOP voters -- 53% -- believe Republican leaders in Congress are taking the party in the wrong direction.
I actually think it's the Lemming state. But maybe not. Maybe he is the voice of those "Republicans". The whole thing is scary, to be honest. It doesn't worry me that the country is so partisan so much as it being linked to race.
The jingoism is just as scary to me. For the first time in my life, I have an insight into how the world wars happened that came from my actual life and not a historical account.
Trump isn't a Republican. I think we should all be able to dispel that notion. His stance on trade alone makes eliminates him from that territory. Trump is a Trumpist. It's a low grade cult of whatever decision leads to the ability to declare victory, regardless of the principle. I just don't understand how the lemmings fall in step at every turn. No matter what he says, they support it. It's really astounding. And I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi with this statement, but it makes clear how a country like German fell to the forces of evil without a fight back in 33. There are so many people that will support a person regardless of the position. We are witnessing it first hand.
Recent polling shows that the vast majority of republicans support Trump but don't support the party. Things evolve, this is now the republican party.
Republicans are signaling they prefer President Donald Trump's vision for the party, with 79% saying he is taking it in the right direction. A majority of GOP voters -- 53% -- believe Republican leaders in Congress are taking the party in the wrong direction.
I actually think it's the Lemming state. But maybe not. Maybe he is the voice of those "Republicans". The whole thing is scary, to be honest. It doesn't worry me that the country is so partisan so much as it being linked to race.
The jingoism is just as scary to me. For the first time in my life, I have an insight into how the world wars happened that came from my actual life and not a historical account.
True, although jingoism was just a rampant after 9/11, leading up to the war. Remember the Dixie Chicks and how their career was basically destroyed in country music? The difference here is the capacity of NK to level a country or even two with their weapons. Iraq didn't have that capacity.
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the thing is, many democrats also support many of those agendas, but in a sensible, bipartisan manner. Obama himself has said ACA needs improvement. everyone knows immigration reform is needed. not this "let's gut all of Obama's policies no matter the cost" that Trump is trying to bash through. it's clear all he cares about is dismantling Obama's legacy, and calling that his own. he is a brutal failure already, and it's not going to get better.
Yes I agree completely, but how to reform differs greatly on both sides of the aisle. We all wish for a "sensible, bipartisan manner", but that isn't happening right now regardless of who is sitting in the oval office.
Regarding what you said about 'welfare stability, and not growth', you know the rate of people on public assistance has been dropping for several years now.
Not untrue, but that is short sighted. There are many forms of public assistance, but let's look at food stamps alone. 25M enrolled in 2005 47M in 2013 (all time high) 41M in 2016
Down in 3 years, but nearly doubled 2005-2013. $1 TRILLION is spent on PA each year.
Please don't confuse this with eliminating public programs, or leaving people hungry. But it's a staggering number and I don't think our systems do enough to lift people out of PA.
Atlanta 2003 Columbia 2008 Charlotte 2013 Seattle 2013 Greenville 2016
Trump isn't a Republican. I think we should all be able to dispel that notion. His stance on trade alone makes eliminates him from that territory. Trump is a Trumpist. It's a low grade cult of whatever decision leads to the ability to declare victory, regardless of the principle. I just don't understand how the lemmings fall in step at every turn. No matter what he says, they support it. It's really astounding. And I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi with this statement, but it makes clear how a country like German fell to the forces of evil without a fight back in 33. There are so many people that will support a person regardless of the position. We are witnessing it first hand.
Recent polling shows that the vast majority of republicans support Trump but don't support the party. Things evolve, this is now the republican party.
Republicans are signaling they prefer President Donald Trump's vision for the party, with 79% saying he is taking it in the right direction. A majority of GOP voters -- 53% -- believe Republican leaders in Congress are taking the party in the wrong direction.
I actually think it's the Lemming state. But maybe not. Maybe he is the voice of those "Republicans". The whole thing is scary, to be honest. It doesn't worry me that the country is so partisan so much as it being linked to race.
The jingoism is just as scary to me. For the first time in my life, I have an insight into how the world wars happened that came from my actual life and not a historical account.
True, although jingoism was just a rampant after 9/11, leading up to the war. Remember the Dixie Chicks and how their career was basically destroyed in country music? The difference here is the capacity of NK to level a country or even two with their weapons. Iraq didn't have that capacity.
It was, it's been simmering ever since Hulk Hogan played the American flag guitar.
Trump isn't a Republican. I think we should all be able to dispel that notion. His stance on trade alone makes eliminates him from that territory. Trump is a Trumpist. It's a low grade cult of whatever decision leads to the ability to declare victory, regardless of the principle. I just don't understand how the lemmings fall in step at every turn. No matter what he says, they support it. It's really astounding. And I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi with this statement, but it makes clear how a country like German fell to the forces of evil without a fight back in 33. There are so many people that will support a person regardless of the position. We are witnessing it first hand.
Recent polling shows that the vast majority of republicans support Trump but don't support the party. Things evolve, this is now the republican party.
Republicans are signaling they prefer President Donald Trump's vision for the party, with 79% saying he is taking it in the right direction. A majority of GOP voters -- 53% -- believe Republican leaders in Congress are taking the party in the wrong direction.
I actually think it's the Lemming state. But maybe not. Maybe he is the voice of those "Republicans". The whole thing is scary, to be honest. It doesn't worry me that the country is so partisan so much as it being linked to race.
The jingoism is just as scary to me. For the first time in my life, I have an insight into how the world wars happened that came from my actual life and not a historical account.
True, although jingoism was just a rampant after 9/11, leading up to the war. Remember the Dixie Chicks and how their career was basically destroyed in country music? The difference here is the capacity of NK to level a country or even two with their weapons. Iraq didn't have that capacity.
It was, it's been simmering ever since Hulk Hogan played the American flag guitar.
Most bad things can be traced to the Hulkster and Hulkamania broadly.
the thing is, many democrats also support many of those agendas, but in a sensible, bipartisan manner. Obama himself has said ACA needs improvement. everyone knows immigration reform is needed. not this "let's gut all of Obama's policies no matter the cost" that Trump is trying to bash through. it's clear all he cares about is dismantling Obama's legacy, and calling that his own. he is a brutal failure already, and it's not going to get better.
Yes I agree completely, but how to reform differs greatly on both sides of the aisle. We all wish for a "sensible, bipartisan manner", but that isn't happening right now regardless of who is sitting in the oval office.
Regarding what you said about 'welfare stability, and not growth', you know the rate of people on public assistance has been dropping for several years now.
Not untrue, but that is short sighted. There are many forms of public assistance, but let's look at food stamps alone. 25M enrolled in 2005 47M in 2013 (all time high) 41M in 2016
Down in 3 years, but nearly doubled 2005-2013. $1 TRILLION is spent on PA each year.
Please don't confuse this with eliminating public programs, or leaving people hungry. But it's a staggering number and I don't think our systems do enough to lift people out of PA.
A good piece of that rise is linked to the recession I imagine. The timing seems to substantiate that.
the thing is, many democrats also support many of those agendas, but in a sensible, bipartisan manner. Obama himself has said ACA needs improvement. everyone knows immigration reform is needed. not this "let's gut all of Obama's policies no matter the cost" that Trump is trying to bash through. it's clear all he cares about is dismantling Obama's legacy, and calling that his own. he is a brutal failure already, and it's not going to get better.
Yes I agree completely, but how to reform differs greatly on both sides of the aisle. We all wish for a "sensible, bipartisan manner", but that isn't happening right now regardless of who is sitting in the oval office.
Regarding what you said about 'welfare stability, and not growth', you know the rate of people on public assistance has been dropping for several years now.
Not untrue, but that is short sighted. There are many forms of public assistance, but let's look at food stamps alone. 25M enrolled in 2005 47M in 2013 (all time high) 41M in 2016
Down in 3 years, but nearly doubled 2005-2013. $1 TRILLION is spent on PA each year.
Please don't confuse this with eliminating public programs, or leaving people hungry. But it's a staggering number and I don't think our systems do enough to lift people out of PA.
A good piece of that rise is linked to the recession I imagine. The timing seems to substantiate that.
Yes, very likely related. Like many things, it takes longer rebound than it does for something to get bad. I'd like to know how or if the existing programs were tweaked to help these situations.
Atlanta 2003 Columbia 2008 Charlotte 2013 Seattle 2013 Greenville 2016
the thing is, many democrats also support many of those agendas, but in a sensible, bipartisan manner. Obama himself has said ACA needs improvement. everyone knows immigration reform is needed. not this "let's gut all of Obama's policies no matter the cost" that Trump is trying to bash through. it's clear all he cares about is dismantling Obama's legacy, and calling that his own. he is a brutal failure already, and it's not going to get better.
Yes I agree completely, but how to reform differs greatly on both sides of the aisle. We all wish for a "sensible, bipartisan manner", but that isn't happening right now regardless of who is sitting in the oval office.
Regarding what you said about 'welfare stability, and not growth', you know the rate of people on public assistance has been dropping for several years now.
Not untrue, but that is short sighted. There are many forms of public assistance, but let's look at food stamps alone. 25M enrolled in 2005 47M in 2013 (all time high) 41M in 2016
Down in 3 years, but nearly doubled 2005-2013. $1 TRILLION is spent on PA each year.
Please don't confuse this with eliminating public programs, or leaving people hungry. But it's a staggering number and I don't think our systems do enough to lift people out of PA.
A good piece of that rise is linked to the recession I imagine. The timing seems to substantiate that.
Yes, very likely related. Like many things, it takes longer rebound than it does for something to get bad. I'd like to know how or if the existing programs were tweaked to help these situations.
Yes, according to this document (which is a good read). It said that the ARRA (remember Obama's bill) allowed able bodied individuals to get up to 18 months of SNAP vs the previous limit of 90 days. This was due to the high unemployment. I imagine that provision has expired. It also discusses other policy changes that affect participation. But reading this, it further stands to reason that the growth was related to the recession. https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/25626/412613-SNAP-s-Role-in-the-Great-Recession-and-Beyond.PDF
Trump isn't a Republican. I think we should all be able to dispel that notion. His stance on trade alone makes eliminates him from that territory. Trump is a Trumpist. It's a low grade cult of whatever decision leads to the ability to declare victory, regardless of the principle. I just don't understand how the lemmings fall in step at every turn. No matter what he says, they support it. It's really astounding. And I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi with this statement, but it makes clear how a country like German fell to the forces of evil without a fight back in 33. There are so many people that will support a person regardless of the position. We are witnessing it first hand.
Recent polling shows that the vast majority of republicans support Trump but don't support the party. Things evolve, this is now the republican party.
Republicans are signaling they prefer President Donald Trump's vision for the party, with 79% saying he is taking it in the right direction. A majority of GOP voters -- 53% -- believe Republican leaders in Congress are taking the party in the wrong direction.
I actually think it's the Lemming state. But maybe not. Maybe he is the voice of those "Republicans". The whole thing is scary, to be honest. It doesn't worry me that the country is so partisan so much as it being linked to race.
The jingoism is just as scary to me. For the first time in my life, I have an insight into how the world wars happened that came from my actual life and not a historical account.
True, although jingoism was just a rampant after 9/11, leading up to the war. Remember the Dixie Chicks and how their career was basically destroyed in country music? The difference here is the capacity of NK to level a country or even two with their weapons. Iraq didn't have that capacity.
It was, it's been simmering ever since Hulk Hogan played the American flag guitar.
Most bad things can be traced to the Hulkster and Hulkamania broadly.
SERIOUSLY??!! Now I have to add Hulk Hogan to this list.....
President Obama Bill Clinton Hillary Clinton Kamala Harris Comet PIzza Emails Benghazi etc...
* Do any Trump supporters even come to this thread anymore? It's become a piling on thread. I'm okay with it, but I wish those fools would appear every now and detail their mindset so we can at least gauge people's commitment to stupidity or their learning process as they acknowledge their error.
I am a Republican voter. Why would I appear here and participate in this conversation if you believe I'm a "fool" before you've heard me out? This is the problem of this thread. I live in a strong conservative community where many share the same beliefs. I come here to lurk and read the views of those that don't think like me. I would never join this debate on this forum. Your opinion is already developed...
This sounds to me like a euphemistic expression of a lack of confidence in the strength of your arguments.
Wrong. But again, my opinions are discounted before having heard them.
Let's hear them. I'm a roast, baste me.
I'd like to hear them as well. I'm interested in having a voter/supporter of his come on here and defend him and his words and behaviors in a clear, concise, and cogent manner. Not as a troll
I should have been more clear when putting myself out here. I stated I am a republican voter. I'm not the guy that defends Trump's every move. Those are the people I think you're looking for. I'm not that person. So I'm not going to defend a lot of what is taking place. I can't, I won't. What has transpired is far from my hopes of a Trump presidency. Outside of my 401(k) growth, not a whole lot has been accomplished that I can be proud of. I did NOT vote for Trump in the primaries. I did not think he was a serious candidate.
I won't go line by line how I feel about all the issues, but I still support much of the republican agenda. Specifically replacement of the ACA, immigration reform, social program and welfare stability (not growth), among others. Given my feelings on the issues, I would not have voted democrat in the 2016 election.
He wasn't. That's no longer a requirement. Or even preferred.
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Trump isn't a Republican. I think we should all be able to dispel that notion. His stance on trade alone makes eliminates him from that territory. Trump is a Trumpist. It's a low grade cult of whatever decision leads to the ability to declare victory, regardless of the principle. I just don't understand how the lemmings fall in step at every turn. No matter what he says, they support it. It's really astounding. And I'm not saying Trump is a Nazi with this statement, but it makes clear how a country like German fell to the forces of evil without a fight back in 33. There are so many people that will support a person regardless of the position. We are witnessing it first hand.
Recent polling shows that the vast majority of republicans support Trump but don't support the party. Things evolve, this is now the republican party.
Republicans are signaling they prefer President Donald Trump's vision for the party, with 79% saying he is taking it in the right direction. A majority of GOP voters -- 53% -- believe Republican leaders in Congress are taking the party in the wrong direction.
And yet most of the left doesn't think he has a chance to be re-elected.
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the thing is, many democrats also support many of those agendas, but in a sensible, bipartisan manner. Obama himself has said ACA needs improvement. everyone knows immigration reform is needed. not this "let's gut all of Obama's policies no matter the cost" that Trump is trying to bash through. it's clear all he cares about is dismantling Obama's legacy, and calling that his own. he is a brutal failure already, and it's not going to get better.
Yes I agree completely, but how to reform differs greatly on both sides of the aisle. We all wish for a "sensible, bipartisan manner", but that isn't happening right now regardless of who is sitting in the oval office.
Regarding what you said about 'welfare stability, and not growth', you know the rate of people on public assistance has been dropping for several years now.
Not untrue, but that is short sighted. There are many forms of public assistance, but let's look at food stamps alone. 25M enrolled in 2005 47M in 2013 (all time high) 41M in 2016
Down in 3 years, but nearly doubled 2005-2013. $1 TRILLION is spent on PA each year.
Please don't confuse this with eliminating public programs, or leaving people hungry. But it's a staggering number and I don't think our systems do enough to lift people out of PA.
A good piece of that rise is linked to the recession I imagine. The timing seems to substantiate that.
Yes, very likely related. Like many things, it takes longer rebound than it does for something to get bad. I'd like to know how or if the existing programs were tweaked to help these situations.
Yes, according to this document (which is a good read). It said that the ARRA (remember Obama's bill) allowed able bodied individuals to get up to 18 months of SNAP vs the previous limit of 90 days. This was due to the high unemployment. I imagine that provision has expired. It also discusses other policy changes that affect participation. But reading this, it further stands to reason that the growth was related to the recession. https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/25626/412613-SNAP-s-Role-in-the-Great-Recession-and-Beyond.PDF
It was definately due to the recession and wage lag. Most food stamp recipients are on it short term and also work. If the economy goes okay, it'll get to pre-recession levels in five years or so. Another problem is disproportionate high use in nearly every rural red county. It seems like they want to cling to dead economies.
the thing is, many democrats also support many of those agendas, but in a sensible, bipartisan manner. Obama himself has said ACA needs improvement. everyone knows immigration reform is needed. not this "let's gut all of Obama's policies no matter the cost" that Trump is trying to bash through. it's clear all he cares about is dismantling Obama's legacy, and calling that his own. he is a brutal failure already, and it's not going to get better.
Yes I agree completely, but how to reform differs greatly on both sides of the aisle. We all wish for a "sensible, bipartisan manner", but that isn't happening right now regardless of who is sitting in the oval office.
Regarding what you said about 'welfare stability, and not growth', you know the rate of people on public assistance has been dropping for several years now.
Not untrue, but that is short sighted. There are many forms of public assistance, but let's look at food stamps alone. 25M enrolled in 2005 47M in 2013 (all time high) 41M in 2016
Down in 3 years, but nearly doubled 2005-2013. $1 TRILLION is spent on PA each year.
Please don't confuse this with eliminating public programs, or leaving people hungry. But it's a staggering number and I don't think our systems do enough to lift people out of PA.
I agree, there’s no reason the federal government should maintain 79 different means-tested programs. States should combine different forms of federal anti-poverty funding—food stamps, housing assistance, and more—into a single funding stream. A guaranteed basic income would reduce government and offer citizens more control.
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It's odd that the author is pushing the notion of some hidden welfare spending. All of the info he presents has been in the discussion for a long time. Something he breezed past was the fact that medical care is almost half of means tested welfare spending. Certainly a focus that would help the budget would be reducing medical costs.
Great solidarity for our National Anthem and for our Country. Standing with locked arms is good, kneeling is not acceptable. Bad ratings! Please to inform that the Champion Pittsburgh Penguins of the NHL will be joining me at the White House for Ceremony. Great team!
I wonder why he thinks anyone should give a flying fuck about what this totally unacceptable man thinks is acceptable? Laughable. As for the Penguins.... shame on them.
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Great solidarity for our National Anthem and for our Country. Standing with locked arms is good, kneeling is not acceptable. Bad ratings! Please to inform that the Champion Pittsburgh Penguins of the NHL will be joining me at the White House for Ceremony. Great team!
I wonder why he thinks anyone should give a flying fuck about what this totally unacceptable man thinks is acceptable? Laughable. As for the Penguins.... shame on them.
seems to be extreme narcissism. I really think he believes all americans are his subjects.
just once, I want him to fuck up and utter the "n" word in public or within ear shot. that would be glorious.
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This is an example of what we need more of on here.
Yes this is the fan forum of a very left leaning, liberal, democrat supporting band. But differing opinions, when they are thoughtfully and intelligently presented, are always welcome.
As far I know, and other than my own increasing 401K, nothing has been accomplished by the currently elected president (and I wont give him credit for that either) beyond creating more divisiveness among Americans.
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When I became an eligible voter I never would have imagined there would be a time in which I had trouble supporting either party's candidate.
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if Hilliary was the GOP nominee would you have voted for her?
It seems to me that perhaps you might have been let down by your Republican party. You might have spoiled your ballot or not voted at all given the alternative of supporting the orange one.
Republicans are signaling they prefer President Donald Trump's vision for the party, with 79% saying he is taking it in the right direction. A majority of GOP voters -- 53% -- believe Republican leaders in Congress are taking the party in the wrong direction.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/24/politics/cnn-poll-republican-party-approval/index.html
For the first time in my life, I have an insight into how the world wars happened that came from my actual life and not a historical account.
25M enrolled in 2005
47M in 2013 (all time high)
41M in 2016
Down in 3 years, but nearly doubled 2005-2013.
$1 TRILLION is spent on PA each year.
Please don't confuse this with eliminating public programs, or leaving people hungry. But it's a staggering number and I don't think our systems do enough to lift people out of PA.
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Charlotte 2013
Seattle 2013
Greenville 2016
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Charlotte 2013
Seattle 2013
Greenville 2016
https://www.urban.org/sites/default/files/publication/25626/412613-SNAP-s-Role-in-the-Great-Recession-and-Beyond.PDF
Now I have to add Hulk Hogan to this list.....
President Obama
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Kamala Harris
Comet PIzza
Emails
Benghazi
etc...
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http://time.com/magazine/
As for the Penguins.... shame on them.
just once, I want him to fuck up and utter the "n" word in public or within ear shot. that would be glorious.
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