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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,952
    And quite likely these folks fully expected to be arrested:

    "In verdicts returned shortly after noon Wednesday, the jury also convicted two other activists in the group she was with, Tighe Barry and Lenny Bianchi, who were dressed as Ku Klux Klan members with white hoods and robes and stood up before the Jan. 10 hearing started."

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/03/us/code-pink-sessions-laughter-trial.html

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  • Didn't someone on here recently post that Michael Moore was one of the few who predicted Trump's win?

    Turns out he did, sort of. He also predicted that Trump would drop out before the election, and that Clinton would win. And in 2012 he predicted that Romney would win. Maybe not as great an oracle as it might appear.

    http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/future_tense/2017/09/we_remember_predictions_that_come_true_but_forget_the_flops.html

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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    When you say enough shit,  some of it is bound to be true.  That was Nostradamus's strategy. 
  • mrussel1 said:
    When you say enough shit,  some of it is bound to be true.  That was Nostradamus's strategy. 
    Agreed. Especially when you're extremely vague with references and the people reading you are searching for ways to make your words fit their narrative. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,952
    Shits goin' all to hell and we're worrying about Michael Moore?
    Interesting.  Verrrrry interesting!

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  • Tick tock tick tock tick tock goes the impeachment clock. Just a matter of time. Follow the money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment. 7Xs.

    Trump Confronts Accelerating Russia Probes on Multiple Fronts - Bloomberg
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  • It's going to be an interesting September to December. Buckle up.
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  • Those who know or watch President Donald Trump closely fear he is “coming apart” under the strain of his failed presidency and often aborted actions. “He’s grasping to achieve something, anything, to prove he’s up to the job,” says a longtime business associate of Trump.  “He’s coming apart at the seams.” Some worry Trump will “to war” with North Korea in an attempt to prove he is an able commander-in-chief while others say he will “do something that he feels is courageous but will be incredibly risky and could threaten the security of America.” “He has lived on the edge most of his life,” says a former paramour of Trump.  “I fear he’s gone over the edge and is plummeting.” 

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a51d2b11-c014-3630-85a3-25dc6d581b71/ss_aide-says-trump-‘is-insane’.html
  • brianlux said:
    Shits goin' all to hell and we're worrying about Michael Moore?
    Interesting.  Verrrrry interesting!


    :weary:

    The point wasn't really about Michael Moore; it was about political and non-political prognostications, how the media reports them, and how we remember, or don't remember, them. And if that doesn't meet your personal threshold for relevance, you can always skip right by it.
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  • Those who know or watch President Donald Trump closely fear he is “coming apart” under the strain of his failed presidency and often aborted actions. “He’s grasping to achieve something, anything, to prove he’s up to the job,” says a longtime business associate of Trump.  “He’s coming apart at the seams.” Some worry Trump will “to war” with North Korea in an attempt to prove he is an able commander-in-chief while others say he will “do something that he feels is courageous but will be incredibly risky and could threaten the security of America.” “He has lived on the edge most of his life,” says a former paramour of Trump.  “I fear he’s gone over the edge and is plummeting.” 

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/m/a51d2b11-c014-3630-85a3-25dc6d581b71/ss_aide-says-trump-‘is-insane’.html
    There's no question he feels something over the surge of negative press and on-line activity towards him.

    I feel the somewhat defensive tweets and comments he consistently makes are the tip if his angst.
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    trump has formed 49 companies since taking office. public citizen tries untangling the birds nest.

    http://www.citizenvox.org/2017/09/05/president-trump-inc-report/
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    female Dick Cheney, neocon heartthrob Nikki Haley


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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 41,952
    brianlux said:
    Shits goin' all to hell and we're worrying about Michael Moore?
    Interesting.  Verrrrry interesting!


    :weary:

    The point wasn't really about Michael Moore; it was about political and non-political prognostications, how the media reports them, and how we remember, or don't remember, them. And if that doesn't meet your personal threshold for relevance, you can always skip right by it.
    My "personal threshold for relevance".  :lol:

    No worries, often.  As CML likes to say, "It's all good."
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,746
    Way to go Microsoft...

    Microsoft says it will defend its 39 'dreamers' in court if the government tries to deport them. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIwoP2z9jU
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,062
    Washington and CA will probably be the first two AGs to sue based in impact it will have on them. 
  • KatKat Posts: 4,864
    Do they mean it or is it just for public show?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/congress-daca-dreamers_us_59a9a57de4b0b5e530fe901b?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    I honestly believe trump is cruel and evil. I'm not likening him to any previous historical figure though. He's in a horrible class of his own. :(


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  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    ...Press Secretary Sarah Sanders has used the term 'permanent solution' at least 4 times while referring to immigration law...
  • CM189191 said:
    ...Press Secretary Sarah Sanders has used the term 'permanent solution' at least 4 times while referring to immigration law...
    Imagine the outrage if she had used the term in reference to Jared's Mid-East peace efforts? Imagine that.
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  • ikiTikiT Posts: 11,055
    Racism, Xenophobia, and out and out cruelty.
    The hallmarks of the Trump administration.  
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  • Kat said:
    Do they mean it or is it just for public show?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/congress-daca-dreamers_us_59a9a57de4b0b5e530fe901b?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    I honestly believe trump is cruel and evil. I'm not likening him to any previous historical figure though. He's in a horrible class of his own. :(


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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,936
    Cancelling DACA is probably the most disgusting thing he's done as POTUS so far. That's saying a lot. I have faith that Congress will put a stop to this revolting bit of bullshit, but just the fact that he did it..... It's almost like he is just getting off on being a villain now.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,746
    President Obama's response to the decision by the current administration to eventually end DACA......

    Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

    But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

    Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

    That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

    But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

    Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

    It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

    Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

    What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union.

  • President Obama's response to the decision by the current administration to eventually end DACA......

    Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

    But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

    Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

    That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

    But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

    Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

    It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

    Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

    What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union.

    Imagine if we had a president as articulate as that? Imagine if we had a president as thoughtful as this guy? Imagine that.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,627
    Trump is certainly in a  DACA quandary on this one much of it his making, but not all.  Let's review the whole story, not just the Huff Post one.  
    1. He foolishly campaigned on killing DACA to appease his base (his fault)
    2. Several AG's have filed suit against the gov't for DACA as being Unconstitutional (not his fault)
    3. I've read (without reading the merits) that most think that a court will rule DACA uncon., killing the program (not his fault).
    4. While Obama or Clinton would defend the action, it would look pretty politically stupid for the Trump admin to defend something he campaigned against, and then LOSE the case (his own stupid fault for campaigning on it). 
    5. He probably made the best decision considering the circumstances...
     - the AG's will likely drop the suit (without prejudice I'm sure)
     - Congress has six months to pass a proper law
    I'm not sure Congress will get this done, but it's probably the best scenario since he really can't fight it in court.  
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Kat said:
    Do they mean it or is it just for public show?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/congress-daca-dreamers_us_59a9a57de4b0b5e530fe901b?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    I honestly believe trump is cruel and evil. I'm not likening him to any previous historical figure though. He's in a horrible class of his own. :(


    This is what happens when you legislate through EO.  No matter who you like or anyone likes as POTUS using a EO to create new laws is only as good as long as that person is POTUS.  Real reform has to come through Congress not the Executive Branch. 
    Legislation has to come through Congress and the Executive Branch.  Obama did his part.  The obstructionist Republican Congress are the ones who shat the bed here. 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,781
    I'm not in total agreement with ending DACA, but I also find it hard to support a program that automatically gives a legal right to a by product of an illegal act. We do have laws in place and while Trump is his own worst enemy because of his track record with immigration, racism and any other negative relationship you can have with anyone not white, this would have been less of a target without all of his other abominable orders.

    And yes, it is great to see a well written statement from a president. Eloquent and pretty words always make it easier to accept the decisions behind them, but they are not the whole story either. Of course Obama is only going to speak to the positives and great people in the DACA program. I would expect nothing less and believe that for the most part what he said is accurate. That still doesn't make it any more legal.


    It's a hopeless situation...
  • President Obama's response to the decision by the current administration to eventually end DACA......

    Immigration can be a controversial topic. We all want safe, secure borders and a dynamic economy, and people of goodwill can have legitimate disagreements about how to fix our immigration system so that everybody plays by the rules.

    But that’s not what the action that the White House took today is about. This is about young people who grew up in America – kids who study in our schools, young adults who are starting careers, patriots who pledge allegiance to our flag. These Dreamers are Americans in their hearts, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper. They were brought to this country by their parents, sometimes even as infants. They may not know a country besides ours. They may not even know a language besides English. They often have no idea they’re undocumented until they apply for a job, or college, or a driver’s license.

    Over the years, politicians of both parties have worked together to write legislation that would have told these young people – our young people – that if your parents brought you here as a child, if you’ve been here a certain number of years, and if you’re willing to go to college or serve in our military, then you’ll get a chance to stay and earn your citizenship. And for years while I was President, I asked Congress to send me such a bill.

    That bill never came. And because it made no sense to expel talented, driven, patriotic young people from the only country they know solely because of the actions of their parents, my administration acted to lift the shadow of deportation from these young people, so that they could continue to contribute to our communities and our country. We did so based on the well-established legal principle of prosecutorial discretion, deployed by Democratic and Republican presidents alike, because our immigration enforcement agencies have limited resources, and it makes sense to focus those resources on those who come illegally to this country to do us harm. Deportations of criminals went up. Some 800,000 young people stepped forward, met rigorous requirements, and went through background checks. And America grew stronger as a result.

    But today, that shadow has been cast over some of our best and brightest young people once again. To target these young people is wrong – because they have done nothing wrong. It is self-defeating – because they want to start new businesses, staff our labs, serve in our military, and otherwise contribute to the country we love. And it is cruel. What if our kid’s science teacher, or our friendly neighbor turns out to be a Dreamer? Where are we supposed to send her? To a country she doesn’t know or remember, with a language she may not even speak?

    Let’s be clear: the action taken today isn’t required legally. It’s a political decision, and a moral question. Whatever concerns or complaints Americans may have about immigration in general, we shouldn’t threaten the future of this group of young people who are here through no fault of their own, who pose no threat, who are not taking away anything from the rest of us. They are that pitcher on our kid’s softball team, that first responder who helps out his community after a disaster, that cadet in ROTC who wants nothing more than to wear the uniform of the country that gave him a chance. Kicking them out won’t lower the unemployment rate, or lighten anyone’s taxes, or raise anybody’s wages.

    It is precisely because this action is contrary to our spirit, and to common sense, that business leaders, faith leaders, economists, and Americans of all political stripes called on the administration not to do what it did today. And now that the White House has shifted its responsibility for these young people to Congress, it’s up to Members of Congress to protect these young people and our future. I’m heartened by those who’ve suggested that they should. And I join my voice with the majority of Americans who hope they step up and do it with a sense of moral urgency that matches the urgency these young people feel.

    Ultimately, this is about basic decency. This is about whether we are a people who kick hopeful young strivers out of America, or whether we treat them the way we’d want our own kids to be treated. It’s about who we are as a people – and who we want to be.

    What makes us American is not a question of what we look like, or where our names come from, or the way we pray. What makes us American is our fidelity to a set of ideals – that all of us are created equal; that all of us deserve the chance to make of our lives what we will; that all of us share an obligation to stand up, speak out, and secure our most cherished values for the next generation. That’s how America has traveled this far. That’s how, if we keep at it, we will ultimately reach that more perfect union.

    Imagine if we had a president as articulate as that? Imagine if we had a president as thoughtful as this guy? Imagine that.
    There has to be a balance between 140 characters and that way to long long piece that reeks of being a little to fond of hearing one's own thoughts?

    Obama certainly has the gift.  Like Reagan.  And Slick Willy. 

    I don't remember a former president getting as involved as Obama is.  I wonder if a normal republican would have been elected if he would have remained silent (meaning it's trump that is bringing this out) or if it's just who Obama intended to be after he left office.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Posts: 7,177
    CM189191 said:
    Kat said:
    Do they mean it or is it just for public show?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/congress-daca-dreamers_us_59a9a57de4b0b5e530fe901b?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    I honestly believe trump is cruel and evil. I'm not likening him to any previous historical figure though. He's in a horrible class of his own. :(


    This is what happens when you legislate through EO.  No matter who you like or anyone likes as POTUS using a EO to create new laws is only as good as long as that person is POTUS.  Real reform has to come through Congress not the Executive Branch. 
    Legislation has to come through Congress and the Executive Branch.  Obama did his part.  The obstructionist Republican Congress are the ones who shat the bed here. 
    well, I'm not a big fan of EOs regardless of which party's president is issuing them, and this is a good example of why. Obama certainly had good intentions. But now the gov't is being sued by multiple state AGs and as Mrussel said, there's a likelihood of it being overturned. In this case, in some really twisted way, it is probably a good thing that Trump is ending it the way he is - with the 6 month grace period for Congress to fix it. Much more humane than a court ordering the EO unconstitutional and wiping it out completely. Make no mistake, I'm a fan of what Obama was trying to do, and would love to see Congress create legislation that is humane and accomplishes what Obama set out to in his EO, but the EO wasn't the right way to do it. EOs are great until the other team starts issuing them.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,781
    CM189191 said:
    Kat said:
    Do they mean it or is it just for public show?
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/congress-daca-dreamers_us_59a9a57de4b0b5e530fe901b?ncid=inblnkushpmg00000009

    I honestly believe trump is cruel and evil. I'm not likening him to any previous historical figure though. He's in a horrible class of his own. :(


    This is what happens when you legislate through EO.  No matter who you like or anyone likes as POTUS using a EO to create new laws is only as good as long as that person is POTUS.  Real reform has to come through Congress not the Executive Branch. 
    Legislation has to come through Congress and the Executive Branch.  Obama did his part.  The obstructionist Republican Congress are the ones who shat the bed here. 
    Obama over stepped his part when he didn't get what he wanted from the Republican congress. The same way Trump tried to over step his authority with the travel ban. Unfortunately, if you don't like getting "no" for an answer that doesn't mean you get to make up your own rules. You definitely wouldn't support it for Trump, so why so much leeway for Obama? Obama had good intentions, but that doesn't make it any more legitimate. Trump is merely falling back to rule of law.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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