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You have four major battlefields within a handful of miles between each other. The Wilderness is a few miles west of Chancellorsville, just up route 3. Spotsy CH is a bit to the south and east, further off the Rapidan. And then of course downtown Fredericksburg, with the Rappahhanock running straight through. It's really crazy that the Union tried that offensive, considering the banks of the river, the town, etc. But yeah, it was cool being so close. But they are not big battlefields like Getty or Antietam, still cool though. More 'untouched'.gimmesometruth27 said:
i would have liked to see little phil sheridan get a crack at it. "that was ungenerous. i'll take your guns for that." classic line. he also once said "if i owned texas and hell, i'd rent out texas and live in hell". also something like "i have never in my life taken a command into battle and had the slightest desire to come out alive unless i won."mrussel1 said:
Yeah, McClellan was the worst, particularly with the Peninsula campaign. He could have take Richmond right then and there, but he was too scared to move.gimmesometruth27 said:
it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.mrussel1 said:
Did the troops call him that, or the other officers? I always thought it was the officers.gimmesometruth27 said:did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources. Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft.
i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles.
i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.
In the list of bad generals, don't forget about Hooker. He did a great job getting his ass kicked at Chancellorsville.
Fun fact, when I lived in Spotsy county, I owned a house that bordered on the battlefield. The telltale pickets that surround the hallowed grounds were next to my property. It was a pretty cool place. Very thick and high pine trees to this day, so you could see how difficult the ground would be to advance an army. Other than that, Fredericksburg area sucks.
mcclellan had the biggest army on earth and was afraid to use it. that war could have ended in 1862. and yeah lol hooker got smashed there.
that is awesome you lived near the battlefield. always wanted to visit that one. is that the same area as the battle of the wilderness, or was that the battle of spotsylvania?
weird question for you. did you ever hear anything weird in the night? like phantom cannon shells or phantom gunfire? i hear people that live near civil war battlefields hear things like that. like paranormal remnant or something.
I never heard any noises, so I'm not sure I buy the ghost stuff. But I can tell you at night, and early morning it is creepy.0 -
that is pretty amazing. i am guessing they are so close because everyone marched everywhere. can only go so far so fast on foot. especially if you know the enemy is around. i think any battlefield where people struggled like that is pretty cool. a few hours from here is wilson's creek. it wasn't a big battle but i hear they take pretty good care of the battlefield and what remains of it.mrussel1 said:
You have four major battlefields within a handful of miles between each other. The Wilderness is a few miles west of Chancellorsville, just up route 3. Spotsy CH is a bit to the south and east, further off the Rapidan. And then of course downtown Fredericksburg, with the Rappahhanock running straight through. It's really crazy that the Union tried that offensive, considering the banks of the river, the town, etc. But yeah, it was cool being so close. But they are not big battlefields like Getty or Antietam, still cool though. More 'untouched'.gimmesometruth27 said:
i would have liked to see little phil sheridan get a crack at it. "that was ungenerous. i'll take your guns for that." classic line. he also once said "if i owned texas and hell, i'd rent out texas and live in hell". also something like "i have never in my life taken a command into battle and had the slightest desire to come out alive unless i won."mrussel1 said:
Yeah, McClellan was the worst, particularly with the Peninsula campaign. He could have take Richmond right then and there, but he was too scared to move.gimmesometruth27 said:
it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.mrussel1 said:
Did the troops call him that, or the other officers? I always thought it was the officers.gimmesometruth27 said:did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources. Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft.
i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles.
i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.
In the list of bad generals, don't forget about Hooker. He did a great job getting his ass kicked at Chancellorsville.
Fun fact, when I lived in Spotsy county, I owned a house that bordered on the battlefield. The telltale pickets that surround the hallowed grounds were next to my property. It was a pretty cool place. Very thick and high pine trees to this day, so you could see how difficult the ground would be to advance an army. Other than that, Fredericksburg area sucks.
mcclellan had the biggest army on earth and was afraid to use it. that war could have ended in 1862. and yeah lol hooker got smashed there.
that is awesome you lived near the battlefield. always wanted to visit that one. is that the same area as the battle of the wilderness, or was that the battle of spotsylvania?
weird question for you. did you ever hear anything weird in the night? like phantom cannon shells or phantom gunfire? i hear people that live near civil war battlefields hear things like that. like paranormal remnant or something.
I never heard any noises, so I'm not sure I buy the ghost stuff. But I can tell you at night, and early morning it is creepy.
i can imagine it is pretty creepy. especially with the morning fog."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
I think what you had is there are two rivers that need to be crossed to take Richmond, the Rappahhanock and the Rapidan. And because there are only a few places and fords to cross, and cross both, it made it easy for the South to defend those rivers. And the best places to cross were the Fburg area. Otherwise you had to go a hundred miles west where the rivers thin or go east, hence the Peninsula campaign. Because they couldn't cross without being slaughtered, they went around by boat. But the Peninsula brought in all of the marshland near W'burg, New Kent, etc. and McClellan's failures.gimmesometruth27 said:
that is pretty amazing. i am guessing they are so close because everyone marched everywhere. can only go so far so fast on foot. especially if you know the enemy is around. i think any battlefield where people struggled like that is pretty cool. a few hours from here is wilson's creek. it wasn't a big battle but i hear they take pretty good care of the battlefield and what remains of it.mrussel1 said:
You have four major battlefields within a handful of miles between each other. The Wilderness is a few miles west of Chancellorsville, just up route 3. Spotsy CH is a bit to the south and east, further off the Rapidan. And then of course downtown Fredericksburg, with the Rappahhanock running straight through. It's really crazy that the Union tried that offensive, considering the banks of the river, the town, etc. But yeah, it was cool being so close. But they are not big battlefields like Getty or Antietam, still cool though. More 'untouched'.gimmesometruth27 said:
i would have liked to see little phil sheridan get a crack at it. "that was ungenerous. i'll take your guns for that." classic line. he also once said "if i owned texas and hell, i'd rent out texas and live in hell". also something like "i have never in my life taken a command into battle and had the slightest desire to come out alive unless i won."mrussel1 said:
Yeah, McClellan was the worst, particularly with the Peninsula campaign. He could have take Richmond right then and there, but he was too scared to move.gimmesometruth27 said:
it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.mrussel1 said:
Did the troops call him that, or the other officers? I always thought it was the officers.gimmesometruth27 said:did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources. Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft.
i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles.
i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.
In the list of bad generals, don't forget about Hooker. He did a great job getting his ass kicked at Chancellorsville.
Fun fact, when I lived in Spotsy county, I owned a house that bordered on the battlefield. The telltale pickets that surround the hallowed grounds were next to my property. It was a pretty cool place. Very thick and high pine trees to this day, so you could see how difficult the ground would be to advance an army. Other than that, Fredericksburg area sucks.
mcclellan had the biggest army on earth and was afraid to use it. that war could have ended in 1862. and yeah lol hooker got smashed there.
that is awesome you lived near the battlefield. always wanted to visit that one. is that the same area as the battle of the wilderness, or was that the battle of spotsylvania?
weird question for you. did you ever hear anything weird in the night? like phantom cannon shells or phantom gunfire? i hear people that live near civil war battlefields hear things like that. like paranormal remnant or something.
I never heard any noises, so I'm not sure I buy the ghost stuff. But I can tell you at night, and early morning it is creepy.
i can imagine it is pretty creepy. especially with the morning fog.
I'd love to see some western campaign stuff. I've never been out there. My brother lives in St Charles, MO and he took his family to Shiloh recently and really liked it. He has a PhD in American history so really digs into this stuff.0 -
i am literally 7 miles from st charles. in bridgeton. because we have one of the bridges that crosses the missouri to go from st louis county to st charles.mrussel1 said:
I think what you had is there are two rivers that need to be crossed to take Richmond, the Rappahhanock and the Rapidan. And because there are only a few places and fords to cross, and cross both, it made it easy for the South to defend those rivers. And the best places to cross were the Fburg area. Otherwise you had to go a hundred miles west where the rivers thin or go east, hence the Peninsula campaign. Because they couldn't cross without being slaughtered, they went around by boat. But the Peninsula brought in all of the marshland near W'burg, New Kent, etc. and McClellan's failures.gimmesometruth27 said:
that is pretty amazing. i am guessing they are so close because everyone marched everywhere. can only go so far so fast on foot. especially if you know the enemy is around. i think any battlefield where people struggled like that is pretty cool. a few hours from here is wilson's creek. it wasn't a big battle but i hear they take pretty good care of the battlefield and what remains of it.mrussel1 said:
You have four major battlefields within a handful of miles between each other. The Wilderness is a few miles west of Chancellorsville, just up route 3. Spotsy CH is a bit to the south and east, further off the Rapidan. And then of course downtown Fredericksburg, with the Rappahhanock running straight through. It's really crazy that the Union tried that offensive, considering the banks of the river, the town, etc. But yeah, it was cool being so close. But they are not big battlefields like Getty or Antietam, still cool though. More 'untouched'.gimmesometruth27 said:
i would have liked to see little phil sheridan get a crack at it. "that was ungenerous. i'll take your guns for that." classic line. he also once said "if i owned texas and hell, i'd rent out texas and live in hell". also something like "i have never in my life taken a command into battle and had the slightest desire to come out alive unless i won."mrussel1 said:
Yeah, McClellan was the worst, particularly with the Peninsula campaign. He could have take Richmond right then and there, but he was too scared to move.gimmesometruth27 said:
it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.mrussel1 said:
Did the troops call him that, or the other officers? I always thought it was the officers.gimmesometruth27 said:did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources. Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft.
i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles.
i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.
In the list of bad generals, don't forget about Hooker. He did a great job getting his ass kicked at Chancellorsville.
Fun fact, when I lived in Spotsy county, I owned a house that bordered on the battlefield. The telltale pickets that surround the hallowed grounds were next to my property. It was a pretty cool place. Very thick and high pine trees to this day, so you could see how difficult the ground would be to advance an army. Other than that, Fredericksburg area sucks.
mcclellan had the biggest army on earth and was afraid to use it. that war could have ended in 1862. and yeah lol hooker got smashed there.
that is awesome you lived near the battlefield. always wanted to visit that one. is that the same area as the battle of the wilderness, or was that the battle of spotsylvania?
weird question for you. did you ever hear anything weird in the night? like phantom cannon shells or phantom gunfire? i hear people that live near civil war battlefields hear things like that. like paranormal remnant or something.
I never heard any noises, so I'm not sure I buy the ghost stuff. But I can tell you at night, and early morning it is creepy.
i can imagine it is pretty creepy. especially with the morning fog.
I'd love to see some western campaign stuff. I've never been out there. My brother lives in St Charles, MO and he took his family to Shiloh recently and really liked it. He has a PhD in American history so really digs into this stuff.
i went to shiloh once when i was maybe 12. we went when i was in boy scouts. we tried to go back several years ago but was told that if we were not affiliated with a scout troop we could not go there. that might have changed now. i would love to go back because i was too youny to appreciate it.
always wanted to go to gettysburg and antietam too. maybe one of these days....
i wonder if trump knows any of this stuff we have discussed. thread integrity lol..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Not even a little bit, does he know.gimmesometruth27 said:
i am literally 7 miles from st charles. in bridgeton. because we have one of the bridges that crosses the missouri to go from st louis county to st charles.mrussel1 said:
I think what you had is there are two rivers that need to be crossed to take Richmond, the Rappahhanock and the Rapidan. And because there are only a few places and fords to cross, and cross both, it made it easy for the South to defend those rivers. And the best places to cross were the Fburg area. Otherwise you had to go a hundred miles west where the rivers thin or go east, hence the Peninsula campaign. Because they couldn't cross without being slaughtered, they went around by boat. But the Peninsula brought in all of the marshland near W'burg, New Kent, etc. and McClellan's failures.gimmesometruth27 said:
that is pretty amazing. i am guessing they are so close because everyone marched everywhere. can only go so far so fast on foot. especially if you know the enemy is around. i think any battlefield where people struggled like that is pretty cool. a few hours from here is wilson's creek. it wasn't a big battle but i hear they take pretty good care of the battlefield and what remains of it.mrussel1 said:
You have four major battlefields within a handful of miles between each other. The Wilderness is a few miles west of Chancellorsville, just up route 3. Spotsy CH is a bit to the south and east, further off the Rapidan. And then of course downtown Fredericksburg, with the Rappahhanock running straight through. It's really crazy that the Union tried that offensive, considering the banks of the river, the town, etc. But yeah, it was cool being so close. But they are not big battlefields like Getty or Antietam, still cool though. More 'untouched'.gimmesometruth27 said:
i would have liked to see little phil sheridan get a crack at it. "that was ungenerous. i'll take your guns for that." classic line. he also once said "if i owned texas and hell, i'd rent out texas and live in hell". also something like "i have never in my life taken a command into battle and had the slightest desire to come out alive unless i won."mrussel1 said:
Yeah, McClellan was the worst, particularly with the Peninsula campaign. He could have take Richmond right then and there, but he was too scared to move.gimmesometruth27 said:
it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.mrussel1 said:
Did the troops call him that, or the other officers? I always thought it was the officers.gimmesometruth27 said:did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources. Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft.
i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles.
i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.
In the list of bad generals, don't forget about Hooker. He did a great job getting his ass kicked at Chancellorsville.
Fun fact, when I lived in Spotsy county, I owned a house that bordered on the battlefield. The telltale pickets that surround the hallowed grounds were next to my property. It was a pretty cool place. Very thick and high pine trees to this day, so you could see how difficult the ground would be to advance an army. Other than that, Fredericksburg area sucks.
mcclellan had the biggest army on earth and was afraid to use it. that war could have ended in 1862. and yeah lol hooker got smashed there.
that is awesome you lived near the battlefield. always wanted to visit that one. is that the same area as the battle of the wilderness, or was that the battle of spotsylvania?
weird question for you. did you ever hear anything weird in the night? like phantom cannon shells or phantom gunfire? i hear people that live near civil war battlefields hear things like that. like paranormal remnant or something.
I never heard any noises, so I'm not sure I buy the ghost stuff. But I can tell you at night, and early morning it is creepy.
i can imagine it is pretty creepy. especially with the morning fog.
I'd love to see some western campaign stuff. I've never been out there. My brother lives in St Charles, MO and he took his family to Shiloh recently and really liked it. He has a PhD in American history so really digs into this stuff.
i went to shiloh once when i was maybe 12. we went when i was in boy scouts. we tried to go back several years ago but was told that if we were not affiliated with a scout troop we could not go there. that might have changed now. i would love to go back because i was too youny to appreciate it.
always wanted to go to gettysburg and antietam too. maybe one of these days....
i wonder if trump knows any of this stuff we have discussed. thread integrity lol...
Gettysburg is amazing. Antietam is even better because it's less commercial and more solemn. You definitely have to make the trip and they are plenty close. Just fly to DC and drive. I would also do it in the fall because summer is so busy in Gettysburg. But they just redid the welcome/ main center and it's fantastic. Since you're clearly knowledgeable on the War of Northern Aggression (ha), you would appreciate all of the details there.0 -
oh yeah i am totally here for is, haha.mrussel1 said:
Not even a little bit, does he know.gimmesometruth27 said:
i am literally 7 miles from st charles. in bridgeton. because we have one of the bridges that crosses the missouri to go from st louis county to st charles.mrussel1 said:
I think what you had is there are two rivers that need to be crossed to take Richmond, the Rappahhanock and the Rapidan. And because there are only a few places and fords to cross, and cross both, it made it easy for the South to defend those rivers. And the best places to cross were the Fburg area. Otherwise you had to go a hundred miles west where the rivers thin or go east, hence the Peninsula campaign. Because they couldn't cross without being slaughtered, they went around by boat. But the Peninsula brought in all of the marshland near W'burg, New Kent, etc. and McClellan's failures.gimmesometruth27 said:
that is pretty amazing. i am guessing they are so close because everyone marched everywhere. can only go so far so fast on foot. especially if you know the enemy is around. i think any battlefield where people struggled like that is pretty cool. a few hours from here is wilson's creek. it wasn't a big battle but i hear they take pretty good care of the battlefield and what remains of it.mrussel1 said:
You have four major battlefields within a handful of miles between each other. The Wilderness is a few miles west of Chancellorsville, just up route 3. Spotsy CH is a bit to the south and east, further off the Rapidan. And then of course downtown Fredericksburg, with the Rappahhanock running straight through. It's really crazy that the Union tried that offensive, considering the banks of the river, the town, etc. But yeah, it was cool being so close. But they are not big battlefields like Getty or Antietam, still cool though. More 'untouched'.gimmesometruth27 said:
i would have liked to see little phil sheridan get a crack at it. "that was ungenerous. i'll take your guns for that." classic line. he also once said "if i owned texas and hell, i'd rent out texas and live in hell". also something like "i have never in my life taken a command into battle and had the slightest desire to come out alive unless i won."mrussel1 said:
Yeah, McClellan was the worst, particularly with the Peninsula campaign. He could have take Richmond right then and there, but he was too scared to move.gimmesometruth27 said:
it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.mrussel1 said:
Did the troops call him that, or the other officers? I always thought it was the officers.gimmesometruth27 said:did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources. Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft.
i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles.
i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.
In the list of bad generals, don't forget about Hooker. He did a great job getting his ass kicked at Chancellorsville.
Fun fact, when I lived in Spotsy county, I owned a house that bordered on the battlefield. The telltale pickets that surround the hallowed grounds were next to my property. It was a pretty cool place. Very thick and high pine trees to this day, so you could see how difficult the ground would be to advance an army. Other than that, Fredericksburg area sucks.
mcclellan had the biggest army on earth and was afraid to use it. that war could have ended in 1862. and yeah lol hooker got smashed there.
that is awesome you lived near the battlefield. always wanted to visit that one. is that the same area as the battle of the wilderness, or was that the battle of spotsylvania?
weird question for you. did you ever hear anything weird in the night? like phantom cannon shells or phantom gunfire? i hear people that live near civil war battlefields hear things like that. like paranormal remnant or something.
I never heard any noises, so I'm not sure I buy the ghost stuff. But I can tell you at night, and early morning it is creepy.
i can imagine it is pretty creepy. especially with the morning fog.
I'd love to see some western campaign stuff. I've never been out there. My brother lives in St Charles, MO and he took his family to Shiloh recently and really liked it. He has a PhD in American history so really digs into this stuff.
i went to shiloh once when i was maybe 12. we went when i was in boy scouts. we tried to go back several years ago but was told that if we were not affiliated with a scout troop we could not go there. that might have changed now. i would love to go back because i was too youny to appreciate it.
always wanted to go to gettysburg and antietam too. maybe one of these days....
i wonder if trump knows any of this stuff we have discussed. thread integrity lol...
Gettysburg is amazing. Antietam is even better because it's less commercial and more solemn. You definitely have to make the trip and they are plenty close. Just fly to DC and drive. I would also do it in the fall because summer is so busy in Gettysburg. But they just redid the welcome/ main center and it's fantastic. Since you're clearly knowledgeable on the War of Northern Aggression (ha), you would appreciate all of the details there.
thanks for the DC flight tip. i would have probably tried to drive the whole thing, haha. Do you know if there is anything great relating to the war in the Richmond area? we had talked about maybe going there too."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
gimmesometruth27 said:
oh yeah i am totally here for is, haha.mrussel1 said:
Not even a little bit, does he know.gimmesometruth27 said:
i am literally 7 miles from st charles. in bridgeton. because we have one of the bridges that crosses the missouri to go from st louis county to st charles.mrussel1 said:
I think what you had is there are two rivers that need to be crossed to take Richmond, the Rappahhanock and the Rapidan. And because there are only a few places and fords to cross, and cross both, it made it easy for the South to defend those rivers. And the best places to cross were the Fburg area. Otherwise you had to go a hundred miles west where the rivers thin or go east, hence the Peninsula campaign. Because they couldn't cross without being slaughtered, they went around by boat. But the Peninsula brought in all of the marshland near W'burg, New Kent, etc. and McClellan's failures.gimmesometruth27 said:
that is pretty amazing. i am guessing they are so close because everyone marched everywhere. can only go so far so fast on foot. especially if you know the enemy is around. i think any battlefield where people struggled like that is pretty cool. a few hours from here is wilson's creek. it wasn't a big battle but i hear they take pretty good care of the battlefield and what remains of it.mrussel1 said:
You have four major battlefields within a handful of miles between each other. The Wilderness is a few miles west of Chancellorsville, just up route 3. Spotsy CH is a bit to the south and east, further off the Rapidan. And then of course downtown Fredericksburg, with the Rappahhanock running straight through. It's really crazy that the Union tried that offensive, considering the banks of the river, the town, etc. But yeah, it was cool being so close. But they are not big battlefields like Getty or Antietam, still cool though. More 'untouched'.gimmesometruth27 said:
i would have liked to see little phil sheridan get a crack at it. "that was ungenerous. i'll take your guns for that." classic line. he also once said "if i owned texas and hell, i'd rent out texas and live in hell". also something like "i have never in my life taken a command into battle and had the slightest desire to come out alive unless i won."mrussel1 said:
Yeah, McClellan was the worst, particularly with the Peninsula campaign. He could have take Richmond right then and there, but he was too scared to move.gimmesometruth27 said:
it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.mrussel1 said:
Did the troops call him that, or the other officers? I always thought it was the officers.gimmesometruth27 said:did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources. Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft.
i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles.
i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.
In the list of bad generals, don't forget about Hooker. He did a great job getting his ass kicked at Chancellorsville.
Fun fact, when I lived in Spotsy county, I owned a house that bordered on the battlefield. The telltale pickets that surround the hallowed grounds were next to my property. It was a pretty cool place. Very thick and high pine trees to this day, so you could see how difficult the ground would be to advance an army. Other than that, Fredericksburg area sucks.
mcclellan had the biggest army on earth and was afraid to use it. that war could have ended in 1862. and yeah lol hooker got smashed there.
that is awesome you lived near the battlefield. always wanted to visit that one. is that the same area as the battle of the wilderness, or was that the battle of spotsylvania?
weird question for you. did you ever hear anything weird in the night? like phantom cannon shells or phantom gunfire? i hear people that live near civil war battlefields hear things like that. like paranormal remnant or something.
I never heard any noises, so I'm not sure I buy the ghost stuff. But I can tell you at night, and early morning it is creepy.
i can imagine it is pretty creepy. especially with the morning fog.
I'd love to see some western campaign stuff. I've never been out there. My brother lives in St Charles, MO and he took his family to Shiloh recently and really liked it. He has a PhD in American history so really digs into this stuff.
i went to shiloh once when i was maybe 12. we went when i was in boy scouts. we tried to go back several years ago but was told that if we were not affiliated with a scout troop we could not go there. that might have changed now. i would love to go back because i was too youny to appreciate it.
always wanted to go to gettysburg and antietam too. maybe one of these days....
i wonder if trump knows any of this stuff we have discussed. thread integrity lol...
Gettysburg is amazing. Antietam is even better because it's less commercial and more solemn. You definitely have to make the trip and they are plenty close. Just fly to DC and drive. I would also do it in the fall because summer is so busy in Gettysburg. But they just redid the welcome/ main center and it's fantastic. Since you're clearly knowledgeable on the War of Northern Aggression (ha), you would appreciate all of the details there.
thanks for the DC flight tip. i would have probably tried to drive the whole thing, haha. Do you know if there is anything great relating to the war in the Richmond area? we had talked about maybe going there too.
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Not really the war, because there was no real battle here. The confederates abandoned the city and headed South and West at the end. Hollywood Cemetery is cool because there are several presidents and generals buried here. It's right downtown. Colonial Williamsburg and Yorktown are an hour east if you like the Revolution. But most of the good civil war is all Fredericksburg area and then up towards Maryland and PA.gimmesometruth27 said:
oh yeah i am totally here for is, haha.mrussel1 said:
Not even a little bit, does he know.gimmesometruth27 said:
i am literally 7 miles from st charles. in bridgeton. because we have one of the bridges that crosses the missouri to go from st louis county to st charles.mrussel1 said:
I think what you had is there are two rivers that need to be crossed to take Richmond, the Rappahhanock and the Rapidan. And because there are only a few places and fords to cross, and cross both, it made it easy for the South to defend those rivers. And the best places to cross were the Fburg area. Otherwise you had to go a hundred miles west where the rivers thin or go east, hence the Peninsula campaign. Because they couldn't cross without being slaughtered, they went around by boat. But the Peninsula brought in all of the marshland near W'burg, New Kent, etc. and McClellan's failures.gimmesometruth27 said:
that is pretty amazing. i am guessing they are so close because everyone marched everywhere. can only go so far so fast on foot. especially if you know the enemy is around. i think any battlefield where people struggled like that is pretty cool. a few hours from here is wilson's creek. it wasn't a big battle but i hear they take pretty good care of the battlefield and what remains of it.mrussel1 said:
You have four major battlefields within a handful of miles between each other. The Wilderness is a few miles west of Chancellorsville, just up route 3. Spotsy CH is a bit to the south and east, further off the Rapidan. And then of course downtown Fredericksburg, with the Rappahhanock running straight through. It's really crazy that the Union tried that offensive, considering the banks of the river, the town, etc. But yeah, it was cool being so close. But they are not big battlefields like Getty or Antietam, still cool though. More 'untouched'.gimmesometruth27 said:
i would have liked to see little phil sheridan get a crack at it. "that was ungenerous. i'll take your guns for that." classic line. he also once said "if i owned texas and hell, i'd rent out texas and live in hell". also something like "i have never in my life taken a command into battle and had the slightest desire to come out alive unless i won."mrussel1 said:
Yeah, McClellan was the worst, particularly with the Peninsula campaign. He could have take Richmond right then and there, but he was too scared to move.gimmesometruth27 said:
it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.mrussel1 said:
Did the troops call him that, or the other officers? I always thought it was the officers.gimmesometruth27 said:did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources. Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft.
i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles.
i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.
In the list of bad generals, don't forget about Hooker. He did a great job getting his ass kicked at Chancellorsville.
Fun fact, when I lived in Spotsy county, I owned a house that bordered on the battlefield. The telltale pickets that surround the hallowed grounds were next to my property. It was a pretty cool place. Very thick and high pine trees to this day, so you could see how difficult the ground would be to advance an army. Other than that, Fredericksburg area sucks.
mcclellan had the biggest army on earth and was afraid to use it. that war could have ended in 1862. and yeah lol hooker got smashed there.
that is awesome you lived near the battlefield. always wanted to visit that one. is that the same area as the battle of the wilderness, or was that the battle of spotsylvania?
weird question for you. did you ever hear anything weird in the night? like phantom cannon shells or phantom gunfire? i hear people that live near civil war battlefields hear things like that. like paranormal remnant or something.
I never heard any noises, so I'm not sure I buy the ghost stuff. But I can tell you at night, and early morning it is creepy.
i can imagine it is pretty creepy. especially with the morning fog.
I'd love to see some western campaign stuff. I've never been out there. My brother lives in St Charles, MO and he took his family to Shiloh recently and really liked it. He has a PhD in American history so really digs into this stuff.
i went to shiloh once when i was maybe 12. we went when i was in boy scouts. we tried to go back several years ago but was told that if we were not affiliated with a scout troop we could not go there. that might have changed now. i would love to go back because i was too youny to appreciate it.
always wanted to go to gettysburg and antietam too. maybe one of these days....
i wonder if trump knows any of this stuff we have discussed. thread integrity lol...
Gettysburg is amazing. Antietam is even better because it's less commercial and more solemn. You definitely have to make the trip and they are plenty close. Just fly to DC and drive. I would also do it in the fall because summer is so busy in Gettysburg. But they just redid the welcome/ main center and it's fantastic. Since you're clearly knowledgeable on the War of Northern Aggression (ha), you would appreciate all of the details there.
thanks for the DC flight tip. i would have probably tried to drive the whole thing, haha. Do you know if there is anything great relating to the war in the Richmond area? we had talked about maybe going there too.0 -
I’ll second a visit to Antietam. I dragged my wife and some of her friends there a few years ago on the way back to DC from a wedding in WV. They grumbled of course… Needless to say, they all were very impressed afterwards.mrussel1 said:
Not even a little bit, does he know.gimmesometruth27 said:
i am literally 7 miles from st charles. in bridgeton. because we have one of the bridges that crosses the missouri to go from st louis county to st charles.mrussel1 said:
I think what you had is there are two rivers that need to be crossed to take Richmond, the Rappahhanock and the Rapidan. And because there are only a few places and fords to cross, and cross both, it made it easy for the South to defend those rivers. And the best places to cross were the Fburg area. Otherwise you had to go a hundred miles west where the rivers thin or go east, hence the Peninsula campaign. Because they couldn't cross without being slaughtered, they went around by boat. But the Peninsula brought in all of the marshland near W'burg, New Kent, etc. and McClellan's failures.gimmesometruth27 said:
that is pretty amazing. i am guessing they are so close because everyone marched everywhere. can only go so far so fast on foot. especially if you know the enemy is around. i think any battlefield where people struggled like that is pretty cool. a few hours from here is wilson's creek. it wasn't a big battle but i hear they take pretty good care of the battlefield and what remains of it.mrussel1 said:
You have four major battlefields within a handful of miles between each other. The Wilderness is a few miles west of Chancellorsville, just up route 3. Spotsy CH is a bit to the south and east, further off the Rapidan. And then of course downtown Fredericksburg, with the Rappahhanock running straight through. It's really crazy that the Union tried that offensive, considering the banks of the river, the town, etc. But yeah, it was cool being so close. But they are not big battlefields like Getty or Antietam, still cool though. More 'untouched'.gimmesometruth27 said:
i would have liked to see little phil sheridan get a crack at it. "that was ungenerous. i'll take your guns for that." classic line. he also once said "if i owned texas and hell, i'd rent out texas and live in hell". also something like "i have never in my life taken a command into battle and had the slightest desire to come out alive unless i won."mrussel1 said:
Yeah, McClellan was the worst, particularly with the Peninsula campaign. He could have take Richmond right then and there, but he was too scared to move.gimmesometruth27 said:
it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.mrussel1 said:
Did the troops call him that, or the other officers? I always thought it was the officers.gimmesometruth27 said:did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources. Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft.
i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles.
i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.
In the list of bad generals, don't forget about Hooker. He did a great job getting his ass kicked at Chancellorsville.
Fun fact, when I lived in Spotsy county, I owned a house that bordered on the battlefield. The telltale pickets that surround the hallowed grounds were next to my property. It was a pretty cool place. Very thick and high pine trees to this day, so you could see how difficult the ground would be to advance an army. Other than that, Fredericksburg area sucks.
mcclellan had the biggest army on earth and was afraid to use it. that war could have ended in 1862. and yeah lol hooker got smashed there.
that is awesome you lived near the battlefield. always wanted to visit that one. is that the same area as the battle of the wilderness, or was that the battle of spotsylvania?
weird question for you. did you ever hear anything weird in the night? like phantom cannon shells or phantom gunfire? i hear people that live near civil war battlefields hear things like that. like paranormal remnant or something.
I never heard any noises, so I'm not sure I buy the ghost stuff. But I can tell you at night, and early morning it is creepy.
i can imagine it is pretty creepy. especially with the morning fog.
I'd love to see some western campaign stuff. I've never been out there. My brother lives in St Charles, MO and he took his family to Shiloh recently and really liked it. He has a PhD in American history so really digs into this stuff.
i went to shiloh once when i was maybe 12. we went when i was in boy scouts. we tried to go back several years ago but was told that if we were not affiliated with a scout troop we could not go there. that might have changed now. i would love to go back because i was too youny to appreciate it.
always wanted to go to gettysburg and antietam too. maybe one of these days....
i wonder if trump knows any of this stuff we have discussed. thread integrity lol...
Gettysburg is amazing. Antietam is even better because it's less commercial and more solemn. You definitely have to make the trip and they are plenty close. Just fly to DC and drive. I would also do it in the fall because summer is so busy in Gettysburg. But they just redid the welcome/ main center and it's fantastic. Since you're clearly knowledgeable on the War of Northern Aggression (ha), you would appreciate all of the details there.0 -
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Yea. I don’t care about any of that. Just pointing out the endless cycle of stupid tweets that people on both sides automatically think are true just because they agree.Hobbes said:
Surprise but not planned. This was damage control. And he still couldn't simply commemorate the day. He had to plug his potential run in '24. Pathetic.nicknyr15 said:0 -
Ruddy, we hardly knew ya. How far has he fallen?
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Moonies are behind the Washington Times?Good to know._____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________
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