Donald Trump

HughFreakingDillon

OnWis97 said:

On one hand, I don't have it in me to be outraged that a former president isn't doing something for 9/11. On the other hand, imagine if it was Obama or Biden that wasn't doing anything...

I think that's mostly what gets me, to be honest. fox and the conservative idiots would be outraged if obama did nothing. but trump? isn't it fitting that instead he's attending a fucking circus of a boxing match. once a carnival barker.....

Merkin Baller

OnWis97 said:

On one hand, I don't have it in me to be outraged that a former president isn't doing something for 9/11. On the other hand, imagine if it was Obama or Biden that wasn't doing anything...

IDK that anything from trump would outrage or shock me anymore. He's redefined rock bottom so many times, I'm pretty much numb to it by now. 



The hypocrisy of his base & the conservative media OTOH... 

mickeyrat

because of course he would .....

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/571453-trump-praises-robert-e-lee-slams-removal-of-giant-statue

gimmesometruth27

mickeyrat said:

because of course he would .....

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/571453-trump-praises-robert-e-lee-slams-removal-of-giant-statue

except for gettysburg, lol

mrussel1

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

because of course he would .....

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/571453-trump-praises-robert-e-lee-slams-removal-of-giant-statue

except for gettysburg, lol

I know.. except for the biggest battle.  But here's the other thing.. he's still wrong. The South had no chance to win the war.  After Europe refused to help break the blockades and the North continued to take huge chunks of land in teh western campaigns, the South was going to be choked out.  It was only a matter of time.  They simply did not have the resources, people or manufacturing to beat the North. 

mickeyrat

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

because of course he would .....

https://thehill.com/changing-america/respect/equality/571453-trump-praises-robert-e-lee-slams-removal-of-giant-statue

except for gettysburg, lol

I know.. except for the biggest battle.  But here's the other thing.. he's still wrong. The South had no chance to win the war.  After Europe refused to help break the blockades and the North continued to take huge chunks of land in teh western campaigns, the South was going to be choked out.  It was only a matter of time.  They simply did not have the resources, people or manufacturing to beat the North. 

nor did they have a General like Grant......

once Lincoln tapped him, game over

gimmesometruth27

lest we forget w t sherman. would not have won if not for his march to the sea.

even he was a better general than lee.

gimmesometruth27

did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.

mrussel1

gimmesometruth27 said:

did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.

Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 

josevolution

Is he really doing commentary on the Holyfield sick whatever you wanna call it? 

Bentleyspop

josevolution said:

Is he really doing commentary on the Holyfield sick whatever you wanna call it? 

Yes

gimmesometruth27

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.

Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 

it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.

i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles. 

i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.

mickeyrat

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.

Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 

it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.

i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles. 

i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.

virtually any civil war book will have that.

burnside held his own under grant though.

if you ever have the opportunity, read/listen to Grants autobiography. Just excellent.

HughFreakingDillon

Bentleyspop said:

josevolution said:

Is he really doing commentary on the Holyfield sick whatever you wanna call it? 

Yes

sort of. you can choose between the real commentators or trump and trump jr doing the "gamecast commentary". I'm not entirely sure what that means, but it appears you can choose.

and they've all but said they'll just be sitting there talking about politics. 

gimmesometruth27

mickeyrat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.

Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 

it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.

i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles. 

i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.

virtually any civil war book will have that.

burnside held his own under grant though.

if you ever have the opportunity, read/listen to Grants autobiography. Just excellent.

yeah i know i need to read that. the story behind that book is pretty incredible. he had lost his family fortune due to bad investments and he had inoperable throat cancer so he was slaving away writing this book with terminal cancer. he finished it just before he died and it ended up restoring the family fortune.

burnside did take that bridge at antietam though, so that was pretty big.

mickeyrat

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.

Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 

it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.

i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles. 

i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.

virtually any civil war book will have that.

burnside held his own under grant though.

if you ever have the opportunity, read/listen to Grants autobiography. Just excellent.

yeah i know i need to read that. the story behind that book is pretty incredible. he had lost his family fortune due to bad investments and he had inoperable throat cancer so he was slaving away writing this book with terminal cancer. he finished it just before he died and it ended up restoring the family fortune.

burnside did take that bridge at antietam though, so that was pretty big.

Mark Twain actually talked him into it and served as publisher.

whats fucked is, he was photographed once with a cigar.  citizens then sent him cigars for the rest of his life, in effect killing him.....

gimmesometruth27

mickeyrat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mickeyrat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.

Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 

it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.

i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles. 

i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.

virtually any civil war book will have that.

burnside held his own under grant though.

if you ever have the opportunity, read/listen to Grants autobiography. Just excellent.

yeah i know i need to read that. the story behind that book is pretty incredible. he had lost his family fortune due to bad investments and he had inoperable throat cancer so he was slaving away writing this book with terminal cancer. he finished it just before he died and it ended up restoring the family fortune.

burnside did take that bridge at antietam though, so that was pretty big.

Mark Twain actually talked him into it and served as publisher.

whats fucked is, he was photographed once with a cigar.  citizens then sent him cigars for the rest of his life, in effect killing him.....

i did not know that about Twain. He is from Hannibal, MO and that is in my territory. It is a pretty cool little town. There is this huge statue of him off the side of the highway and i have never stopped to check it out because i am always in a hurry to get to there hospital or to get back home.

yeah, if he knew that they caused cancer he would have probably thrown most of them out.

gimmesometruth27

also, grant's farm is about 15 miles from here. i am not sure if that is the hardscrabble farm where he started out and ended up having to pawn his watch to purchase christmas presents, or if he lived there after the war. i need to look in to that place more.

mrussel1

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.

Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 

it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.

i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles. 

i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.

Yeah, McClellan was the worst, particularly with the Peninsula campaign.  He could have take Richmond right then and there, but he was too scared to move.  

In the list of bad generals, don't forget about Hooker.  He did a great job getting his ass kicked at Chancellorsville.  

Fun fact, when I lived in Spotsy county, I owned a house that bordered on the battlefield.  The telltale pickets that surround the hallowed grounds were next to my property.  It was a pretty cool place.  Very thick and high pine trees to this day, so you could see how difficult the ground would be to advance an army.  Other than that, Fredericksburg area sucks. 

gimmesometruth27

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mrussel1 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.

Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 

it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.

i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles. 

i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.

Yeah, McClellan was the worst, particularly with the Peninsula campaign.  He could have take Richmond right then and there, but he was too scared to move.  

In the list of bad generals, don't forget about Hooker.  He did a great job getting his ass kicked at Chancellorsville.  

Fun fact, when I lived in Spotsy county, I owned a house that bordered on the battlefield.  The telltale pickets that surround the hallowed grounds were next to my property.  It was a pretty cool place.  Very thick and high pine trees to this day, so you could see how difficult the ground would be to advance an army.  Other than that, Fredericksburg area sucks. 

i would have liked to see little phil sheridan get a crack at it. "that was ungenerous. i'll take your guns for that." classic line. he also once said "if i owned texas and hell, i'd rent out texas and live in hell". also something like "i have never in my life taken a command into battle and had the slightest desire to come out alive unless i won."

mcclellan had the biggest army on earth and was afraid to use it. that war could have ended in 1862. and yeah lol hooker got smashed there. 

that is awesome you lived near the battlefield. always wanted to visit that one. is that the same area as the battle of the wilderness, or was that the battle of spotsylvania?

weird question for you. did you ever hear anything weird in the night? like phantom cannon shells or phantom gunfire? i hear people that live near civil war battlefields hear things like that. like paranormal remnant or something.