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  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 14,859
    Austria - strictly prohibits the public display and/or proliferation of all insignia/symbols, emblems, uniforms (full or partial), flags, etc., clearly associated with the National Socialist German Workers Party (NSDAP, commonly known as the Nazi Party).

    Canada - provides law enforcement agencies with broad scope to intervene if such flags are used to communicate hatred in a public place.

    Cyprus - allows for the prosecution of anyone who expresses an idea (in public, using almost any medium including flags) which insults another person's race, religion or ethnicity.

    Czech Republic - the police may cancel such events only once it becomes clear that protesters are inciting hate, which is deemed illegal in the Czech Republic.

    France - it is illegal to display Nazi flags, uniforms and insignia in public, unless for the purpose of a historical film, show or spectacle.

    Germany - strictly prohibits public display of Nazi symbols, such as the swastika and the SS logo, unless it is for historical purposes.

    Hungary - the Criminal Code of Hungary regulates the "use of symbols of totalitarianism", including the swastika, the insignia of the SS, the arrow cross, the hammer and sickle, and the five-pointed red star.
  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 7,539
    Trumpito walking out of the room at the end of Saturday's Charlottesville/VA statement while ignoring reporters questions about the Alt-Right and White Nationalists, and his deafening silence yesterday, and now his statements today should realistically sink this presidency. 

    If the fucking North Korean missile launch doesn't distract us.  You know the one they said they were going to do tomorrow, on August 15th.

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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    g under p said:
    Let's see 36 hours no mention from the President of the Nazi white supremacist group's violence. On the the other hand in less than an hour he calls out the CEO of Merck an African American businessman.

    What do think those white supremacists are thinking or feeling today? 

    For me I think they're saying the MFing President has our backs.....high fives.

    Peace
    Here is what I was referring to in a post yesterday about "radical Islamic terror" and hypocrisy.
    Trump is famous for asking Obama and whoever else, to condemn radical islamic terror(ism), Im para-phasing, how can you defeat it if you cant even say it. Trump campaigned on that phrase, saying it over and over. How stupid is it to think that saying radical islamic terror will somehow help solve it? Terrorists with their ears to Obama are suddently going to stop plowing into crowds and blowing up nightclubs if/when Obama says the words "radical islamic terror".
    Since charlottesville, everyone and their brother wants Trump to condemn specifically Nazis and the KKK because Im guessing by specifically saying KKK and Nazi Trump will suddenly rip the hate from there hearts and minds and they will trade in their Nazi flags for rainbow ones. It completely stupid on all sides. Its this a form of symptom blaming and not problem solving.
    I dont know how to stop racism, you cant ignore but you cant suppress their speech either.

    Is racism all of a sudden a threat to our democracy? Should we take to the streets to raise awareness that white supremacists are racist? Should we protest that our president didnt condemn violence enough, by mentioning Nazis and the KKK?

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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    g under p said:
    Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
     

    I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
    Isn't it obvious?

    Ok.  So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
    Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!

    Peace

    I do yes.  People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance.  There is some serious suppression going on.
    There is a reason for that: the recent incident is not up for discussion. Nazis and nazi supporters do not have a voice and never should have a voice.
    Who decides who can and cant have a voice? Sounds facist-y to me
    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • ^^^

    You're missing the point TB.  Who is supporting Nazis on here?  No one.  There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.

    Actually you are the one missing the point.

    The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.

    The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.

    There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.
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  • JC29856 said:
    g under p said:
    Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
     

    I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
    Isn't it obvious?

    Ok.  So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
    Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!

    Peace

    I do yes.  People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance.  There is some serious suppression going on.
    There is a reason for that: the recent incident is not up for discussion. Nazis and nazi supporters do not have a voice and never should have a voice.
    Who decides who can and cant have a voice? Sounds facist-y to me
    Common sense tells us what the limitations are for free speech. When speech is harmful... the brakes need to be applied.

    Pedophiles cannot speak to the pleasures of children. They don't get a voice.
    Rapists cannot speak to women deserving rape because they wear revealing clothing. They don't get a voice.
    Nazis cannot speak to white supremacy because dark people are mud people. They don't get a voice.

    Do you get the point?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    ^^^

    You're missing the point TB.  Who is supporting Nazis on here?  No one.  There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.

    Actually you are the one missing the point.

    The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.

    The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.

    There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.

    Just your best guess, how many Nazi votes do you think Trump received 2016? Do you think the Nazi vote pushed him over in the Nazi populated states?

    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer MarylandPosts: 14,859
    JC29856 said:
    ^^^

    You're missing the point TB.  Who is supporting Nazis on here?  No one.  There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.

    Actually you are the one missing the point.

    The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.

    The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.

    There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.

    Just your best guess, how many Nazi votes do you think Trump received 2016? Do you think the Nazi vote pushed him over in the Nazi populated states?

    Missing the point again.
  • JC29856 said:
    ^^^

    You're missing the point TB.  Who is supporting Nazis on here?  No one.  There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.

    Actually you are the one missing the point.

    The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.

    The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.

    There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.

    Just your best guess, how many Nazi votes do you think Trump received 2016? Do you think the Nazi vote pushed him over in the Nazi populated states?

    I'll lump nazis and racists together (with racists- the 'moderate' or 'mild' nazis- as a much more significant populace).

    40-50 % of his voters.
    20-30% of his voters being the moronic variety.
    20-30% of his voters being the greedy variety.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • ^^^

    You're missing the point TB.  Who is supporting Nazis on here?  No one.  There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.

    Actually you are the one missing the point.

    The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.

    The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.

    There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.
    Idebted? 
    Why would he want to address the alt right Nazi stuff.  They would love nothing more than that. If he came out condemning it would probably make the riots worse.  All those "supporter Nazis" would take to the streets in droves and the counter protesters would as well leading to more violence.  And the radlibs would shout even louder saying it is Trumps fault.  President Trump is not giving a voice to it at all which is what people want and he is still a monster. 

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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    ^^^

    You're missing the point TB.  Who is supporting Nazis on here?  No one.  There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.

    Actually you are the one missing the point.

    The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.

    The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.

    There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.

    Just your best guess, how many Nazi votes do you think Trump received 2016? Do you think the Nazi vote pushed him over in the Nazi populated states?

    Missing the point again.
    how so? if someone is indebted for support it must be of some value. Im asking for the value of the Nazi vote to Trump.
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    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 18,778
    g under p said:
    Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
     

    I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
    Isn't it obvious?

    Ok.  So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
    Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!

    Peace

    I do yes.  People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance.  There is some serious suppression going on.
    So this forum is fake news now too?
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,686
    edited August 2017
    JC29856 said:
    g under p said:
    Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
     

    I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
    Isn't it obvious?

    Ok.  So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
    Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!

    Peace

    I do yes.  People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance.  There is some serious suppression going on.
    There is a reason for that: the recent incident is not up for discussion. Nazis and nazi supporters do not have a voice and never should have a voice.
    Who decides who can and cant have a voice? Sounds facist-y to me
    Common sense tells us what the limitations are for free speech. When speech is harmful... the brakes need to be applied.

    Pedophiles cannot speak to the pleasures of children. They don't get a voice.
    Rapists cannot speak to women deserving rape because they wear revealing clothing. They don't get a voice.
    Nazis cannot speak to white supremacy because dark people are mud people. They don't get a voice.

    Do you get the point?
    your point is completely wrong though.  Free speech defends the right to speech we don't like as much as the speech we do like.  In the US yes those assholes have to right to speak and assemble. it's a basic tenet of our democracy.  yes their message is 100% vile and disgusting, but they do have a right to promote that message.  If not then who decides what speech is ok and what speech is harmful to use your term? hell just look at social media and how often someone is offended by pretty much everything these days.  do you really want to go down that path where we start limiting speech by who is offended by it?
    Post edited by pjhawks on
  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 7,539
    BTW, the bands 2013 Charlottesville concert is one of my favorite things about this band.  How about you PJFan?

    I refuse to hand that over to those douchebags.

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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    ^^^

    You're missing the point TB.  Who is supporting Nazis on here?  No one.  There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.

    Actually you are the one missing the point.

    The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.

    The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.

    There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.

    Just your best guess, how many Nazi votes do you think Trump received 2016? Do you think the Nazi vote pushed him over in the Nazi populated states?

    I'll lump nazis and racists together (with racists- the 'moderate' or 'mild' nazis- as a much more significant populace).

    40-50 % of his voters.
    20-30% of his voters being the moronic variety.
    20-30% of his voters being the greedy variety.
    Thanks for lending credence to my "blurring the lines of Nazis and racists" post, well done!

    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 7,539
    Freedom of speech, yes.

    Freedom to intimidate, no.
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  • JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    ^^^

    You're missing the point TB.  Who is supporting Nazis on here?  No one.  There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.

    Actually you are the one missing the point.

    The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.

    The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.

    There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.

    Just your best guess, how many Nazi votes do you think Trump received 2016? Do you think the Nazi vote pushed him over in the Nazi populated states?

    I'll lump nazis and racists together (with racists- the 'moderate' or 'mild' nazis- as a much more significant populace).

    40-50 % of his voters.
    20-30% of his voters being the moronic variety.
    20-30% of his voters being the greedy variety.
    Thanks for lending credence to my "blurring the lines of Nazis and racists" post, well done!

    No problem.

    You speak here as if one is acceptable and one isn't.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    ^^^

    You're missing the point TB.  Who is supporting Nazis on here?  No one.  There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.

    Actually you are the one missing the point.

    The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.

    The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.

    There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.

    Just your best guess, how many Nazi votes do you think Trump received 2016? Do you think the Nazi vote pushed him over in the Nazi populated states?

    I'll lump nazis and racists together (with racists- the 'moderate' or 'mild' nazis- as a much more significant populace).

    40-50 % of his voters.
    20-30% of his voters being the moronic variety.
    20-30% of his voters being the greedy variety.
    Thanks for lending credence to my "blurring the lines of Nazis and racists" post, well done!

    No problem.

    You speak here as if one is acceptable and one isn't.
    example?
    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • pjhawks said:
    JC29856 said:
    g under p said:
    Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
     

    I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
    Isn't it obvious?

    Ok.  So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
    Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!

    Peace

    I do yes.  People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance.  There is some serious suppression going on.
    There is a reason for that: the recent incident is not up for discussion. Nazis and nazi supporters do not have a voice and never should have a voice.
    Who decides who can and cant have a voice? Sounds facist-y to me
    Common sense tells us what the limitations are for free speech. When speech is harmful... the brakes need to be applied.

    Pedophiles cannot speak to the pleasures of children. They don't get a voice.
    Rapists cannot speak to women deserving rape because they wear revealing clothing. They don't get a voice.
    Nazis cannot speak to white supremacy because dark people are mud people. They don't get a voice.

    Do you get the point?
    your point is completely wrong though.  Free speech defends the right to speech we don't like as much as the speech we do like.  In the US yes those assholes have to right to speak and assemble. it's a basic tenet of our democracy.  yes their message is 100% vile and disgusting, but they do have a right to promote that message.  If not then who decides what speech is ok and what speech is harmful to use your term? hell just look at social media and how often someone is offended by pretty much everything these days.  do you really want to go down that path where we start limiting speech by who is offended by it?
    No.

    I am saying limit speech for the damages such speech might incur.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Tiki said:
    BTW, the bands 2013 Charlottesville concert is one of my favorite things about this band.  How about you PJFan?

    I refuse to hand that over to those douchebags.


    Well no shit.  I don't want to be around Nazis no matter the location.  They still are out there no matter how much you ignore them is what I am saying.  Every now and then you will run into them.  It's impossible not to they have to go somewhere.  This time it happened to be Charlottesville.  The location will be different next time.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 5,233
    pjhawks said:
    JC29856 said:
    g under p said:
    Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
     

    I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
    Isn't it obvious?

    Ok.  So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
    Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!

    Peace

    I do yes.  People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance.  There is some serious suppression going on.
    There is a reason for that: the recent incident is not up for discussion. Nazis and nazi supporters do not have a voice and never should have a voice.
    Who decides who can and cant have a voice? Sounds facist-y to me
    Common sense tells us what the limitations are for free speech. When speech is harmful... the brakes need to be applied.

    Pedophiles cannot speak to the pleasures of children. They don't get a voice.
    Rapists cannot speak to women deserving rape because they wear revealing clothing. They don't get a voice.
    Nazis cannot speak to white supremacy because dark people are mud people. They don't get a voice.

    Do you get the point?
    your point is completely wrong though.  Free speech defends the right to speech we don't like as much as the speech we do like.  In the US yes those assholes have to right to speak and assemble. it's a basic tenet of our democracy.  yes their message is 100% vile and disgusting, but they do have a right to promote that message.  If not then who decides what speech is ok and what speech is harmful to use your term? hell just look at social media and how often someone is offended by pretty much everything these days.    
    Free speech until someone says something a liberal disagrees with...it would seem.  Then you become a racist, Nazi, Trumpito.
    "At least I'm housebroken"
  • JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    JC29856 said:
    ^^^

    You're missing the point TB.  Who is supporting Nazis on here?  No one.  There are people on here that perceive others that do and shout at them and say their opinions and thoughts don't count. As I said Nazis and their supporters should never have a voice but just to be a normal guy and get labelled as one because I'm not going around calling everyone a Nazi is crazy.

    Actually you are the one missing the point.

    The emboldened nazis strutted their stuff on full display. They even killed someone.

    The concerned citizens of the US expected their country's leader to, at a minimum, speak to their vile nature (let alone mobilize against them). But, in typical fashion, Trump failed again: speaking vaguely to violence and essentially that both sides need to get along.

    There is no 'both sides' here. There is one side that is good and there is one side that is evil. Trump couldn't speak against the 'evil' side because that side made up a decent percentage of his 'base'. That is scary... when the leader of the US is indebted to the nazis for their support of him.

    Just your best guess, how many Nazi votes do you think Trump received 2016? Do you think the Nazi vote pushed him over in the Nazi populated states?

    I'll lump nazis and racists together (with racists- the 'moderate' or 'mild' nazis- as a much more significant populace).

    40-50 % of his voters.
    20-30% of his voters being the moronic variety.
    20-30% of his voters being the greedy variety.
    Thanks for lending credence to my "blurring the lines of Nazis and racists" post, well done!

    No problem.

    You speak here as if one is acceptable and one isn't.
    example?
    I spoke to your post as one. 'Blurring the lines of Nazis and racists'... ? In other words, you are saying, "Cmon guys. Don't lump racists of the simple variety with extreme racists like the Nazis."
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 9,686
    Tiki said:
    Freedom of speech, yes.

    Freedom to intimidate, no.
    of course and i agree 100% but that also pertains to both sides.
  • dignindignin Posts: 7,381
    pjhawks said:
    JC29856 said:
    g under p said:
    Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
     

    I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
    Isn't it obvious?

    Ok.  So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
    Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!

    Peace

    I do yes.  People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance.  There is some serious suppression going on.
    There is a reason for that: the recent incident is not up for discussion. Nazis and nazi supporters do not have a voice and never should have a voice.
    Who decides who can and cant have a voice? Sounds facist-y to me
    Common sense tells us what the limitations are for free speech. When speech is harmful... the brakes need to be applied.

    Pedophiles cannot speak to the pleasures of children. They don't get a voice.
    Rapists cannot speak to women deserving rape because they wear revealing clothing. They don't get a voice.
    Nazis cannot speak to white supremacy because dark people are mud people. They don't get a voice.

    Do you get the point?
    your point is completely wrong though.  Free speech defends the right to speech we don't like as much as the speech we do like.  In the US yes those assholes have to right to speak and assemble. it's a basic tenet of our democracy.  yes their message is 100% vile and disgusting, but they do have a right to promote that message.  If not then who decides what speech is ok and what speech is harmful to use your term? hell just look at social media and how often someone is offended by pretty much everything these days.  do you really want to go down that path where we start limiting speech by who is offended by it?
    I get that, and I am sympathetic to the idea that all speech should be protected.

    But in this case and others should speech that incites violence and hate be protected?
  • PJPOWER said:
    pjhawks said:
    JC29856 said:
    g under p said:
    Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
     

    I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
    Isn't it obvious?

    Ok.  So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
    Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!

    Peace

    I do yes.  People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance.  There is some serious suppression going on.
    There is a reason for that: the recent incident is not up for discussion. Nazis and nazi supporters do not have a voice and never should have a voice.
    Who decides who can and cant have a voice? Sounds facist-y to me
    Common sense tells us what the limitations are for free speech. When speech is harmful... the brakes need to be applied.

    Pedophiles cannot speak to the pleasures of children. They don't get a voice.
    Rapists cannot speak to women deserving rape because they wear revealing clothing. They don't get a voice.
    Nazis cannot speak to white supremacy because dark people are mud people. They don't get a voice.

    Do you get the point?
    your point is completely wrong though.  Free speech defends the right to speech we don't like as much as the speech we do like.  In the US yes those assholes have to right to speak and assemble. it's a basic tenet of our democracy.  yes their message is 100% vile and disgusting, but they do have a right to promote that message.  If not then who decides what speech is ok and what speech is harmful to use your term? hell just look at social media and how often someone is offended by pretty much everything these days.    
    Free speech until someone says something a liberal disagrees with...it would seem.  Then you become a racist, Nazi, Trumpito.
    Replace 'liberal' with 'decent human being' and then I think you have got it right.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 5,233
    Tiki said:
    Freedom of speech, yes.

    Freedom to intimidate, no.
    I'm not sure who disagrees with this.  Let's name some groups known for intimidation through violence:
    KKK
    Antifa
    Nazis
    BLM
    ISIS
    etc...
    They should all be named as terrorist organizations.
    "At least I'm housebroken"
  • dignindignin Posts: 7,381
    PJPOWER said:
    Tiki said:
    Freedom of speech, yes.

    Freedom to intimidate, no.
    I'm not sure who disagrees with this.  Let's name some groups known for intimidation through violence:
    KKK
    Antifa
    Nazis
    BLM
    ISIS
    etc...
    They should all be named as terrorist organizations.
    What a joke.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    PJPOWER said:
    pjhawks said:
    JC29856 said:
    g under p said:
    Any comment from Ben Carson regarding Charlottesville? Can someone go wake him up and ask him what is like working for a racist, white nationalist? Please.
     

    I know you would prefer to have a different President but now you've gone from disagreeing with President Trump to he's a white nationalist?
    Isn't it obvious?

    Ok.  So if someone disagrees with your stance what do you consider them.
    Do you actually pay attention or understand what it is that you write? Jeez!

    Peace

    I do yes.  People are starting to shut down any side of discussion on here until others agree with their stance.  There is some serious suppression going on.
    There is a reason for that: the recent incident is not up for discussion. Nazis and nazi supporters do not have a voice and never should have a voice.
    Who decides who can and cant have a voice? Sounds facist-y to me
    Common sense tells us what the limitations are for free speech. When speech is harmful... the brakes need to be applied.

    Pedophiles cannot speak to the pleasures of children. They don't get a voice.
    Rapists cannot speak to women deserving rape because they wear revealing clothing. They don't get a voice.
    Nazis cannot speak to white supremacy because dark people are mud people. They don't get a voice.

    Do you get the point?
    your point is completely wrong though.  Free speech defends the right to speech we don't like as much as the speech we do like.  In the US yes those assholes have to right to speak and assemble. it's a basic tenet of our democracy.  yes their message is 100% vile and disgusting, but they do have a right to promote that message.  If not then who decides what speech is ok and what speech is harmful to use your term? hell just look at social media and how often someone is offended by pretty much everything these days.    
    Free speech until someone says something a liberal disagrees with...it would seem.  Then you become a racist, Nazi, Trumpito.
    That is this months narrative, the preceding months it was Russian.
    “I used to spend a lot of time in this room...back when it was a shit hole and I was a shit head.”
    big·otˈbiɡət/ noun: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
    big·ot·ryˈbiɡətrē/ noun: intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.

  • PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo FacePosts: 5,233
    Well, at least the next president is full on condemning...Is he still a Trumpito Nazi?
    https://apnews.com/c084b9da6322497993c6abfdd4c7dfa2?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
    "At least I'm housebroken"
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