Donald Trump

ikiT

$750

ikiT

$750

ikiT

fifteen hunny

ikiT

I paid more than that.

Halifax2TheMax

ikiT said:

I paid more than that.

So did a single worker earning $18K in a year. They must be doing something wrong, like you?

mickeyrat

https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/27/donald-trump-denies-income-tax-report/3556287001/

Bentleyspop

Anyone who pays federal taxes is a sucker and a loser.

HughFreakingDillon

I dunno, does not paying taxes really resonate as a big thing with american voters? i'd think that would be cause for admiration, not condemnation. 

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

I dunno, does not paying taxes really resonate as a big thing with american voters? i'd think that would be cause for admiration, not condemnation. 

Admiration when a repub is in office...unacceptable when a Dem is in office.  The hypocrisy is deafening.

tRumpsters love to talk about leaches on society.  Takers that pay no tax yet receive welfare, etc.  

If I were advising Biden I would have him hammer the "I can't release my returns because they are under audit" thing 24/7.  We know that the IRS has already stated that there is nothing stopping him from releasing returns.  If tRump wants to say he can't release them then the first question is "why won't you release the returns that are NOT under audit?"  The IRS can only audit open tax years, generally the last three years of returns.  The only reason that returns older than three years would be under audit would be if the IRS suspects or is investigating fraud.  Biden needs to press him on that and either make him admit that the IRS is examining him for fraud or to prove the NYT wrong and release his returns.

OnWis97

darwinstheory said:

josevolution said:

Longest running tax audit in presidential history lol and his deplorable base could give to shits! 

Nah, they are more concerned with this story owning the libs. 

This.  I think a lot of the base loves this.  Because it bugs the libs and that's what matters.

I personally am not sure this is as big of a story as some people make it out to be.  Apparently, it's pretty much legal...the depreciation on the buildings leads to tax credits.  It's probably more of a condemnation on our tax laws than it is on him. And working class conservatives loving tax laws that are friendly to the rich?  That's not new.

Gern Blansten

OnWis97 said:

darwinstheory said:

josevolution said:

Longest running tax audit in presidential history lol and his deplorable base could give to shits! 

Nah, they are more concerned with this story owning the libs. 

This.  I think a lot of the base loves this.  Because it bugs the libs and that's what matters.

I personally am not sure this is as big of a story as some people make it out to be.  Apparently, it's pretty much legal...the depreciation on the buildings leads to tax credits.  It's probably more of a condemnation on our tax laws than it is on him. And working class conservatives loving tax laws that are friendly to the rich?  That's not new.

It's more than that.  Depreciation would allow you to offset income but it isn't likely going to create massive losses that offset all of your other income.  At a minimum it shows that he is NOT successful.  

Depreciation can be manipulated to obtain the best tax advantage.  The best tax strategy for tRump would be to pay tax every year and use up the 10%-24% tax brackets and push depreciation forward to offset large income years being taxed at 36% or higher.

That he has those massive losses shows that it is not a planning strategy....he's losing his ass.

dignin

OnWis97 said:

darwinstheory said:

josevolution said:

Longest running tax audit in presidential history lol and his deplorable base could give to shits! 

Nah, they are more concerned with this story owning the libs. 

This.  I think a lot of the base loves this.  Because it bugs the libs and that's what matters.

I personally am not sure this is as big of a story as some people make it out to be.  Apparently, it's pretty much legal...the depreciation on the buildings leads to tax credits.  It's probably more of a condemnation on our tax laws than it is on him. And working class conservatives loving tax laws that are friendly to the rich?  That's not new.

I think we're going to find out some day that it was all very illegal. There is a lot of evidence out there of him cooking the books. Saying stuff is worth a lot more/or less when it suits him. 

Trump Inc podcast has done extensive research into this. As has the NYT. 

HughFreakingDillon

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I dunno, does not paying taxes really resonate as a big thing with american voters? i'd think that would be cause for admiration, not condemnation. 

Admiration when a repub is in office...unacceptable when a Dem is in office.  The hypocrisy is deafening.

tRumpsters love to talk about leaches on society.  Takers that pay no tax yet receive welfare, etc.  

If I were advising Biden I would have him hammer the "I can't release my returns because they are under audit" thing 24/7.  We know that the IRS has already stated that there is nothing stopping him from releasing returns.  If tRump wants to say he can't release them then the first question is "why won't you release the returns that are NOT under audit?"  The IRS can only audit open tax years, generally the last three years of returns.  The only reason that returns older than three years would be under audit would be if the IRS suspects or is investigating fraud.  Biden needs to press him on that and either make him admit that the IRS is examining him for fraud or to prove the NYT wrong and release his returns.

yeah, i just don't see this moving the needle even with undecideds. many people, not just republicans, view legal but ethically ambiguous tax evasion as something to be proud of. sure, paying ivanka as a consultant seems shady, but is it illegal? this would likely take down a mayor or city councilor, but the president? more importantly, THIS president?

trump's take will likely hit it home: i didn't pay much tax because i'm smart. 

Gern Blansten

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I dunno, does not paying taxes really resonate as a big thing with american voters? i'd think that would be cause for admiration, not condemnation. 

Admiration when a repub is in office...unacceptable when a Dem is in office.  The hypocrisy is deafening.

tRumpsters love to talk about leaches on society.  Takers that pay no tax yet receive welfare, etc.  

If I were advising Biden I would have him hammer the "I can't release my returns because they are under audit" thing 24/7.  We know that the IRS has already stated that there is nothing stopping him from releasing returns.  If tRump wants to say he can't release them then the first question is "why won't you release the returns that are NOT under audit?"  The IRS can only audit open tax years, generally the last three years of returns.  The only reason that returns older than three years would be under audit would be if the IRS suspects or is investigating fraud.  Biden needs to press him on that and either make him admit that the IRS is examining him for fraud or to prove the NYT wrong and release his returns.

yeah, i just don't see this moving the needle even with undecideds. many people, not just republicans, view legal but ethically ambiguous tax evasion as something to be proud of. sure, paying ivanka as a consultant seems shady, but is it illegal? this would likely take down a mayor or city councilor, but the president? more importantly, THIS president?

trump's take will likely hit it home: i didn't pay much tax because i'm smart. 

This will hurt him but not by much.  If there are any undecideds out there they might be affected...or it might cause some of his diehards to stay home on Nov 3rd.

The Ivanka thing isn't a big deal.  He paid her for "consulting" and as long as she picked it up as income on her return it's totally legal.

cincybearcat

Guess I need to see this play out a bit, but I'll be disappointed in anyone that isn't upset that Trump pays significantly lower taxes then them.  

That said, businesses create jobs and products that lead to income tax and sales tax so I can understand why they should get some tax advantages.  But I think we all know this isn't the case we are talking about with trump.  

dignin

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I dunno, does not paying taxes really resonate as a big thing with american voters? i'd think that would be cause for admiration, not condemnation. 

Admiration when a repub is in office...unacceptable when a Dem is in office.  The hypocrisy is deafening.

tRumpsters love to talk about leaches on society.  Takers that pay no tax yet receive welfare, etc.  

If I were advising Biden I would have him hammer the "I can't release my returns because they are under audit" thing 24/7.  We know that the IRS has already stated that there is nothing stopping him from releasing returns.  If tRump wants to say he can't release them then the first question is "why won't you release the returns that are NOT under audit?"  The IRS can only audit open tax years, generally the last three years of returns.  The only reason that returns older than three years would be under audit would be if the IRS suspects or is investigating fraud.  Biden needs to press him on that and either make him admit that the IRS is examining him for fraud or to prove the NYT wrong and release his returns.

yeah, i just don't see this moving the needle even with undecideds. many people, not just republicans, view legal but ethically ambiguous tax evasion as something to be proud of. sure, paying ivanka as a consultant seems shady, but is it illegal? this would likely take down a mayor or city councilor, but the president? more importantly, THIS president?

trump's take will likely hit it home: i didn't pay much tax because i'm smart. 

That's not Trumps take though. He says it's fake news. 

He's hiding those returns because they show lots of illegal activity.

HughFreakingDillon

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I dunno, does not paying taxes really resonate as a big thing with american voters? i'd think that would be cause for admiration, not condemnation. 

Admiration when a repub is in office...unacceptable when a Dem is in office.  The hypocrisy is deafening.

tRumpsters love to talk about leaches on society.  Takers that pay no tax yet receive welfare, etc.  

If I were advising Biden I would have him hammer the "I can't release my returns because they are under audit" thing 24/7.  We know that the IRS has already stated that there is nothing stopping him from releasing returns.  If tRump wants to say he can't release them then the first question is "why won't you release the returns that are NOT under audit?"  The IRS can only audit open tax years, generally the last three years of returns.  The only reason that returns older than three years would be under audit would be if the IRS suspects or is investigating fraud.  Biden needs to press him on that and either make him admit that the IRS is examining him for fraud or to prove the NYT wrong and release his returns.

yeah, i just don't see this moving the needle even with undecideds. many people, not just republicans, view legal but ethically ambiguous tax evasion as something to be proud of. sure, paying ivanka as a consultant seems shady, but is it illegal? this would likely take down a mayor or city councilor, but the president? more importantly, THIS president?

trump's take will likely hit it home: i didn't pay much tax because i'm smart. 

That's not Trumps take though. He says it's fake news. 

He's hiding those returns because they show lots of illegal activity.

his kneejerk is always fake news. then he sometimes pivots. i think he might pivot on this one. 

gimmesometruth27

if i paid someone $70k to maintain my hair and it came out looking like that piss yellow cotton candy on top of his head, i would be pretty upset.

gimmesometruth27

fake billionaire.

100% tax cheat

100% fraud

dignin

HughFreakingDillon said:

dignin said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Gern Blansten said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

I dunno, does not paying taxes really resonate as a big thing with american voters? i'd think that would be cause for admiration, not condemnation. 

Admiration when a repub is in office...unacceptable when a Dem is in office.  The hypocrisy is deafening.

tRumpsters love to talk about leaches on society.  Takers that pay no tax yet receive welfare, etc.  

If I were advising Biden I would have him hammer the "I can't release my returns because they are under audit" thing 24/7.  We know that the IRS has already stated that there is nothing stopping him from releasing returns.  If tRump wants to say he can't release them then the first question is "why won't you release the returns that are NOT under audit?"  The IRS can only audit open tax years, generally the last three years of returns.  The only reason that returns older than three years would be under audit would be if the IRS suspects or is investigating fraud.  Biden needs to press him on that and either make him admit that the IRS is examining him for fraud or to prove the NYT wrong and release his returns.

yeah, i just don't see this moving the needle even with undecideds. many people, not just republicans, view legal but ethically ambiguous tax evasion as something to be proud of. sure, paying ivanka as a consultant seems shady, but is it illegal? this would likely take down a mayor or city councilor, but the president? more importantly, THIS president?

trump's take will likely hit it home: i didn't pay much tax because i'm smart. 

That's not Trumps take though. He says it's fake news. 

He's hiding those returns because they show lots of illegal activity.

his kneejerk is always fake news. then he sometimes pivots. i think he might pivot on this one. 

Pivot and release the returns or just tell us what's on them? No way he releases them. Doesn't want anyone to be able to go into them in detail. He's more afraid of going to jail than not getting elected.