Donald Trump

mickeyrat

Halifax2TheMax said:

Gern Blansten said:

Hopefully the Dems get the messaging out.  I have a feeling that the open hearings will shift opinion enough to matter.

Trending in the right direction. If everything is “perfect,” why so much non-cooperation? The House needs the Chinese call transcripts as well as Team Trump Treason’s tax returns. What are they hiding?

https://apple.news/APrgBClXNTmmdWWzkeY4qLg

that was done on air live on the WH lawn wasnt?

OnWis97

Kat said:

Ok. here's something I don't understand. When they talk about Dems trying to undo the election of 2016, is Pence invisible or something? If soul-eater is removed, Pence takes his place and the GOP is still the party in power. That's how the Constitution works, right? Maybe they don't like him but it doesn't turn the WH over to the other party. Why are they using that goofy argument? Why do I even ask lol. 

Times are just changing.  Partisanship has always been around and has always been a negative.  But I don't see too many people, particularly in the Party of Trump putting country first.  And part of what they thrive on is creating a negative image of their opponents, which often manifests as "sore losers" and "TDS."  "They're trying to undo an election" sounds way more scandalous than "they have nothing on him."

I am sure opinions on Clinton's impeachment ran very much down party lines (though I was for it).  But I don't remember anyone being accused of trying to undo the election.

pearljammr78

I have a serious question/comment to make. Does anyone else find it disturbing that Nancy P is doing press rounds like she won something? Why is she on Colbert? This is not a show. This is a very important time in most of our lifetimes and she is grandstanding like she won the Miss America contest. 

Nancy, if you don’t want the Fox News and others of the world blasting this is a partisan issue then get the fuck off tv and do what’s right. Laws have been and are being broken. Focus on that. This is not a time for political grandstanding. Thank you

signed, 
America and the World

benjs

pearljammr78 said:

I have a serious question/comment to make. Does anyone else find it disturbing that Nancy P is doing press rounds like she won something? Why is she on Colbert? This is not a show. This is a very important time in most of our lifetimes and she is grandstanding like she won the Miss America contest. 

Nancy, if you don’t want the Fox News and others of the world blasting this is a partisan issue then get the fuck off tv and do what’s right. Laws have been and are being broken. Focus on that. This is not a time for political grandstanding. Thank you

signed, 
America and the World

Grandstanding would be putting an effort to put herself on a pedestal. I watched her Colbert performance and she read to me as concerned, cautious, apprehensive, balanced, and genuine. She hardly spoke about herself, and wanted to focus on the situation and the danger to the democracy. 

Given how people have allegiance to news networks but not to comedians, given how the President is actively pursuing discrediting mainstream media, given the pathetically low attention span we collectively have, and given the critical nature of disseminating this news to the public, I fully support Pelosi's decision to broadcast her message any avenues she can find.

Bentleyspop

pearljammr78 said:

Kat said:

https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1190273610725896195

George Takei is a treasure. Oh my! Indeed 

brianlux

Bentleyspop said:

pearljammr78 said:

Kat said:

https://twitter.com/GeorgeTakei/status/1190273610725896195

George Takei is a treasure. Oh my! Indeed 

 

mrussel1

pearljammr78 said:

I have a serious question/comment to make. Does anyone else find it disturbing that Nancy P is doing press rounds like she won something? Why is she on Colbert? This is not a show. This is a very important time in most of our lifetimes and she is grandstanding like she won the Miss America contest. 

Nancy, if you don’t want the Fox News and others of the world blasting this is a partisan issue then get the fuck off tv and do what’s right. Laws have been and are being broken. Focus on that. This is not a time for political grandstanding. Thank you

signed, 
America and the World

It's awesome that you get to speak for not only America, but the world too.  Can I opt out of your letter, or is there not an "unsubscribe" button.

It's absolutely critical that the politicians go out and make the case directly to the American people.  It's not just relying on the media.  She's doing what she should be doing, in my opinion.  I trust Nancy.  

Halifax2TheMax

mrussel1 said:

pearljammr78 said:

I have a serious question/comment to make. Does anyone else find it disturbing that Nancy P is doing press rounds like she won something? Why is she on Colbert? This is not a show. This is a very important time in most of our lifetimes and she is grandstanding like she won the Miss America contest. 

Nancy, if you don’t want the Fox News and others of the world blasting this is a partisan issue then get the fuck off tv and do what’s right. Laws have been and are being broken. Focus on that. This is not a time for political grandstanding. Thank you

signed, 
America and the World

It's awesome that you get to speak for not only America, but the world too.  Can I opt out of your letter, or is there not an "unsubscribe" button.

It's absolutely critical that the politicians go out and make the case directly to the American people.  It's not just relying on the media.  She's doing what she should be doing, in my opinion.  I trust Nancy.  

Furthermore, when Colbert requested that she hold the hearings at a time that would allow his show to make the best use of their material, meeting a 2:30 p.m. cut off, she laughed but then very seriously explained that the hearings would be held when it was most efficient and effective to do so so that the work of the people and that which the Constitution demands would take place in all seriousness. Nancy ain't fucking around.

mickeyrat

pearljammr78 said:

I have a serious question/comment to make. Does anyone else find it disturbing that Nancy P is doing press rounds like she won something? Why is she on Colbert? This is not a show. This is a very important time in most of our lifetimes and she is grandstanding like she won the Miss America contest. 

Nancy, if you don’t want the Fox News and others of the world blasting this is a partisan issue then get the fuck off tv and do what’s right. Laws have been and are being broken. Focus on that. This is not a time for political grandstanding. Thank you

signed, 
America and the World

consider it a way to make an explaonation directly to a particular demographic.

your criticism , based on appearances alone or content of those appearances?

OnWis97

Colbert is just as close to being a journalist as the personalities on Fox News.

benjs

OnWis97 said:

Colbert is just as close to being a journalist as the personalities on Fox News.

Only difference is he doesn't claim to be a journalist.

pearljammr78

I think there are better avenues to spread the word besides an already left leaning comedy show that panders to actors and actresses promoting their newest film. It just seems like the wrong show to say something serious. What’s SNL next. That’s how I feel. That’s the problem I have. Meet the Press, a press conference, something besides what she did. This is not a show. This is not a joke. But I will admit when I am wrong. If no one else has a problem with this, then I retract my prior statement. 

I am 99% behind this impeachment given that it’s done right and the ball doesn’t get dropped. The 1% in me just feels like this ignites the Trump base and makes the propaganda and misleading information more problematic. But I do trust Nancy and crew and hope all comes out to impeach, remove and maybe arrest this criminal and his cronies. The pessimist in me just has zero faith in the whole system. I hope to the god I don’t believe in that I am wrong. 

Last thing, the joke of signing for America and the world was to get rid of the Trump administration. I speak for no one but myself and I do that poorly most of the time. 

The Juggler

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

pearljammr78 said:

I have a serious question/comment to make. Does anyone else find it disturbing that Nancy P is doing press rounds like she won something? Why is she on Colbert? This is not a show. This is a very important time in most of our lifetimes and she is grandstanding like she won the Miss America contest. 

Nancy, if you don’t want the Fox News and others of the world blasting this is a partisan issue then get the fuck off tv and do what’s right. Laws have been and are being broken. Focus on that. This is not a time for political grandstanding. Thank you

signed, 
America and the World

It's awesome that you get to speak for not only America, but the world too.  Can I opt out of your letter, or is there not an "unsubscribe" button.

It's absolutely critical that the politicians go out and make the case directly to the American people.  It's not just relying on the media.  She's doing what she should be doing, in my opinion.  I trust Nancy.  

Furthermore, when Colbert requested that she hold the hearings at a time that would allow his show to make the best use of their material, meeting a 2:30 p.m. cut off, she laughed but then very seriously explained that the hearings would be held when it was most efficient and effective to do so so that the work of the people and that which the Constitution demands would take place in all seriousness. Nancy ain't fucking around.

She hint at all of prime time hearings by any chance?

Get as many eyes on those hearing as possible, as far as I am concerned. 

benjs

pearljammr78 said:

I think there are better avenues to spread the word besides an already left leaning comedy show that panders to actors and actresses promoting their newest film. It just seems like the wrong show to say something serious. What’s SNL next. That’s how I feel. That’s the problem I have. Meet the Press, a press conference, something besides what she did. This is not a show. This is not a joke. But I will admit when I am wrong. If no one else has a problem with this, then I retract my prior statement. 

I am 99% behind this impeachment given that it’s done right and the ball doesn’t get dropped. The 1% in me just feels like this ignites the Trump base and makes the propaganda and misleading information more problematic. But I do trust Nancy and crew and hope all comes out to impeach, remove and maybe arrest this criminal and his cronies. The pessimist in me just has zero faith in the whole system. I hope to the god I don’t believe in that I am wrong. 

Last thing, the joke of signing for America and the world was to get rid of the Trump administration. I speak for no one but myself and I do that poorly most of the time. 

You shouldn't retract your prior statement if it's the way you feel! Power to you for having an opinion and a rationale behind why you feel it's inappropriate. I can appreciate where you're coming from.

On backing the impeachment or not, this has long been the debate: if the Senate won't remove, then why impeach? My current stance is that both sides of the aisle tend to weaponize the others' words and actions, regardless of the validity or honour of said decisions - so with hefty piles of public evidence, it seems to be one of those rare moments where the best political decision also is the most moral one. Therefore I'm all for it.

PJ_Soul

Colbert has as many politicians as he can possibly get on his show, and most of them do it. That includes the President (not Trump anymore obviously, lol). His show seems to be an accepted platform for politicians to share their messages and opinions, and they do just that every time they appear on Colbert. What's the problem?

The Juggler

PJ_Soul said:

Colbert has as many politicians as he can possibly get on his show, and most of them do it. That includes the President (not Trump anymore obviously, lol). His show seems to be an accepted platform for politicians to share their messages and opinions, and they do just that every time they appear on Colbert. What's the problem?

I don't think it is a problem. I just know that folks on the right have a disdain for these late night shows these days because they all lean left so that's probably feeding into his initial post.

But yeah....they have to try and reach as many people as possible in as many ways as possible. Kind of preaching to the choir with Colbert but who cares? It will make news and people will see clips of it. And it will get more attention than a press conference or MTP appearance.

I also think they need to start bombarding the airwaves with ads. They should've started those weeks ago. 

Ledbetterman10

I can't stand Colbert's show. I liked the Colbert Report (that was actually good satire of conservatives) and was happy to see him named as Letterman's replacement. But Jesus Christ, every night is just a recap of The Day In Trump. I know there's a lot of people obsessed with hating Trump (especially on this board), but don't ya want a break sometimes? Or at least some comedy to it? People give Jimmy Fallon a hard time but at least his Trump impression is goofy and meant to get laughs. Colbert often stands there reading Trump's tweets in an hacky impression voice (or at least he did that a lot when I was still watching). 

I'm a Lights Out with David Spade guy myself these days when it comes to late night talk shows. No political agenda. No preaching. Just back to basics: making fun of celebrities and viral videos. 

mickeyrat

The Juggler said:

PJ_Soul said:

Colbert has as many politicians as he can possibly get on his show, and most of them do it. That includes the President (not Trump anymore obviously, lol). His show seems to be an accepted platform for politicians to share their messages and opinions, and they do just that every time they appear on Colbert. What's the problem?

I don't think it is a problem. I just know that folks on the right have a disdain for these late night shows these days because they all lean left so that's probably feeding into his initial post.

But yeah....they have to try and reach as many people as possible in as many ways as possible. Kind of preaching to the choir with Colbert but who cares? It will make news and people will see clips of it. And it will get more attention than a press conference or MTP appearance.

I also think they need to start bombarding the airwaves with ads. They should've started those weeks ago. 

by what percentage do you believe those on the right are open minded enough to actually listen to the argument?

Halifax2TheMax

Ledbetterman10 said:

I can't stand Colbert's show. I liked the Colbert Report (that was actually good satire of conservatives) and was happy to see him named as Letterman's replacement. But Jesus Christ, every night is just a recap of The Day In Trump. I know there's a lot of people obsessed with hating Trump (especially on this board), but don't ya want a break sometimes? Or at least some comedy to it? People give Jimmy Fallon a hard time but at least his Trump impression is goofy and meant to get laughs. Colbert often stands there reading Trump's tweets in an hacky impression voice (or at least he did that a lot when I was still watching). 

I'm a Lights Out with David Spade guy myself these days when it comes to late night talk shows. No political agenda. No preaching. Just back to basics: making fun of celebrities and viral videos. 

I find Colbert funny in his opening monologue and as Nancy stated last night, one of the main differences between the previous two impeachment processes and this one is Faux News and the internet constantly spewing forth lies and disinformation. I view Steve as adding truth/facts and humour to the mix. That said, I wish repubs would stop whining about how Hollywood, the internet search engines and late night comedy all have such a huge left slant. Well, start your own damn Faceturd, Google, Apple, movie studio, television programming and get late night comedy hosts. And maybe stop being such neanderthals with your social views and "funny" people might work for you. Anybody remember Larry the Cable Guy? Why don't repubs/cons have their own comedians or late night tv shows? Maybe because they suck? 

Halifax2TheMax

The Juggler said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

pearljammr78 said:

I have a serious question/comment to make. Does anyone else find it disturbing that Nancy P is doing press rounds like she won something? Why is she on Colbert? This is not a show. This is a very important time in most of our lifetimes and she is grandstanding like she won the Miss America contest. 

Nancy, if you don’t want the Fox News and others of the world blasting this is a partisan issue then get the fuck off tv and do what’s right. Laws have been and are being broken. Focus on that. This is not a time for political grandstanding. Thank you

signed, 
America and the World

It's awesome that you get to speak for not only America, but the world too.  Can I opt out of your letter, or is there not an "unsubscribe" button.

It's absolutely critical that the politicians go out and make the case directly to the American people.  It's not just relying on the media.  She's doing what she should be doing, in my opinion.  I trust Nancy.  

Furthermore, when Colbert requested that she hold the hearings at a time that would allow his show to make the best use of their material, meeting a 2:30 p.m. cut off, she laughed but then very seriously explained that the hearings would be held when it was most efficient and effective to do so so that the work of the people and that which the Constitution demands would take place in all seriousness. Nancy ain't fucking around.

She hint at all of prime time hearings by any chance?

Get as many eyes on those hearing as possible, as far as I am concerned. 

I believe she did in the context of we want as many people as possible to be able to tune in and see for themselves, to weigh the allegations and evidence and come to their own conclusions, or words to that effect. Personally, I see Nancy playing this very smart with which transcripts and depositions are released first and the order of hearings and the witnesses called. Further, I think she's got some aces up her sleeve with allegations we have yet to hear or be privy too. She was coy when asked about whether there could be additional articles. She'll also slowly erode all the reasons for the opposition and make the repubs defend Team Trump Treason on the indefensible merits. Its going to be great television, particularly after news reporters have already made some repubs look utterly silly with their false claims and accusations. Whether it sinks in for a majority of Americans remains to be seen.