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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,781
    Breitbart most certainly is not what CNN and MSNBC are to the left.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Also, FYI, whistleblower reports are not “leaks”. 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,783
    TJ25487 said:


    I get my news from Breitbart, Drudge, CNN, Fox, MSNBC etc. Breitbart is to the Right as what CNN and MSNBC is to the left.
    If you want to talk about conspiracy theories and partisan propaganda look no further than CNN and MSNBC as well as most of the mainstream media. For 21/2 years all we heard about night in and night out was Russian Collusion/The Mueller Report. Adam Shiff and his cohorts in congress even said during that time that they have seen the evidence and it is damning and then when it finally came out it was nothingburgers for all our friends. Now we are on to the Ukraine Charade for however long they can string it out as the Dems have nothing to run on as far as issues so the "resistance" is all they have. 

    You talk about Trumps bad character but have you seen Schiff, Pelosi, Nadler,  Schummer and the rest of these yayhoo presidential candidates? 
    Talk about bad characters. Sheez! 
    The first page of the Table of Contents form the Team Mueller Report. Clearly you haven't read any of the Team Mueller Report. "Collusion" is not a crime under US criminal code. You don't see any "collusion" there?

    TABLE OF CONTENTS - VOLUME I

    INTRODUCTION TO VOLUME I ....................... 1

    EXECUTIVE  SUMMARY TO VOLUME!................... 4

    I. THE SPECIAL COUNSEL'S INVESTIGATION........... 11

    II. RUSSIAN "ACTIVE MEASURES" SOCIAL MEDIA  CAMPAIGN ............ 14

    A.  Structure of the Internet Research Agency ................................ 15

    B. Funding  and Oversight from Concord  and Prigozhin ................. 16

    C. The IRA Targets U.S. Elections............ 19

    1.   The IRA Ramps Up U.S. Operations As Early As 2014 ...................................... 19

    2.   U.S. Operations Through  IRA-Controlled Social Media Accounts ..................... 22

    3.   U.S. Operations Through  Facebook............. 24

    4.   U.S. Operations Through  Twitter ............ 26 a.  Individualized Accounts.................... 26 b. IRA Botnet Activities ............................ 28

    5.   U.S. Operations Involving Political  Rallies...................... 29

    6.   Targeting and Recruitment of U.S. Persons...................... 31

    7.   Interactions and Contacts with the Trump  Campaign........................................... 33 a.  Trump Campaign Promotion ofiRA Political  Materials ................................. 33 b.  Contact  with Trump  Campaign  Officials in Connection to Rallies ................. 35

    III. RUSSIAN HACKING AND DUMPING  OPERATIONS ............. 36

    A. GRU Hacking Directed  at the Clinton  Campaign........ 36

    1.   GRU Units Target the Clinton Campaign........... 36

    2.   Intrusions into the DCCC  and DNC Networks..................................................... 38 a.  Initial Access ........................ 38 b.  Implantation of Malware on DCCC  and DNC Networks ................. 38 

    c.  Theft of Documents from DNC and DCCC Networks .................................... 40

    B.  Dissemination of the Hacked  Materials ........... 41

    1.   DCLeaks .............................. 41

    2.  Guccifer  2.0........................... 42

    3.   Use of WikiLeaks ....................... 44 a.  WikiLeaks's Expressed  Opposition Toward  the Clinton  Campaign ............... 44 b. WikiLeaks's First Contact  with Guccifer 2.0 and DCLeaks ........ 45


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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,924
    There's just too much misinformation and propaganda to unpack in those statements.  Breitbart acolytes are well conditioned. 
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,781
    edited October 2019
    mrussel1 said:
    There's just too much misinformation and propaganda to unpack in those statements.  Breitbart acolytes are well conditioned. 
    Right? When I see posts like that I actually have trouble not defaulting to the assumption that it's just trolling. I have to consciously talk myself into remembering that that is really what some people see as true.
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,553
    TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
    breitbart? Seriously?
    No links from....

    rt
    daily stormer 
    infowars
    daily pundit
    newsmax
    focksnooze
    daily caller
    washington  examiner 
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    It's interesting to see the mind of a true Trump supporter.

    Also scary.
  • benjs
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    dignin said:
    It's interesting to see the mind of a true Trump supporter.

    Also scary.
    Reminds me of the Godfather days. GF, is that you? ;) 
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  • TJ25487
    TJ25487 Posts: 1,501
    The Barr/Durham investigation is coming to a close. I'm sure you all will discount that as lies and propaganda as well. 
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    TJ25487 said:
    The Barr/Durham investigation is coming to a close. I'm sure you all will discount that as lies and propaganda as well. 
    Start another incoming indictments thread about it.
  • TJ25487
    TJ25487 Posts: 1,501
    benjs said:
    dignin said:
    It's interesting to see the mind of a true Trump supporter.

    Also scary.
    Reminds me of the Godfather days. GF, is that you? ;) 
    No Fredo! It's not. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,783
    TJ25487 said:
    The Barr/Durham investigation is coming to a close. I'm sure you all will discount that as lies and propaganda as well. 
    We’ve been collectively holding our breath since January 2018. What’s taking so long?
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  • TJ25487
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Breitbart most certainly is not what CNN and MSNBC are to the left.
    Apparently you didn't see the Fox News (most watched news channel) report where Project Veritas infiltrated the CNN boardroom and tape recorded the owner Jeff Zucker basically saying to his higher ups " Fuck the news, get Trump". 
  • TJ25487
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    Bentleyspop said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
    breitbart? Seriously?
    No links from....

    rt
    daily stormer 
    infowars
    daily pundit
    newsmax
    focksnooze
    daily caller
    washington  examiner 
    Oh is this a " my news sources are better than your news sources" deal???
    I didn't know you were the official news police. 
    Noted. Can you please give me a list of news sources that I am allowed to quote on here? 
    Thanks, 
  • TJ25487
    TJ25487 Posts: 1,501
    oftenreading said:
    Also, FYI, whistleblower reports are not “leaks”.


    TJ24587 says:

    and a friend of a friend of a friend who was on the phone call is also not a whistleblower. 
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,924
    TJ25487 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Breitbart most certainly is not what CNN and MSNBC are to the left.
    Apparently you didn't see the Fox News (most watched news channel) report where Project Veritas infiltrated the CNN boardroom and tape recorded the owner Jeff Zucker basically saying to his higher ups " Fuck the news, get Trump". 
    The network nightly news pulls 3x as many viewers as fox. That's where swing voters get their information. 
  • TJ25487
    TJ25487 Posts: 1,501
    oftenreading said:
    TJ25487 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
    Are you completely daft?  He went straight to NSC lawyers with concerns.  Read his damn opening statement and stop getting information Nolte on Breitbart.  All he does is write propaganda for the those without critical thinking skills.  Read the opening statement and then tell me that Vindman thinks everything was fine.  Christ almighty..  https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Read-Alexander-Vindmans-Opening-Statement-on-Trumps-Ukraine-Call-564036951.html

    How about a nice easy quote?  "I was concerned by the call," Vindman wrote in his opening statement. "I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine."

    The statement went on to say: "I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel."

    Get out of your bubble and deal with facts.  


    I'm not as daft as your going to look when this impeachment charade is over. Vindman, Shiff, Nadler, Brennon, Clapper, Comey, Struck, Paige Pelosi, Baker, Simpson, Steele etc. etc. can all go whining and crying to anybody they want saying that Trump did this or did that but in the end nothing sticks as Trump breaking the law. For Christ sake you guys! The only reason we are hearing about all the crazy stuff Trump says is because all of his private conversations get leaked out because of all the partisan hacks in Washington that have been trying to take him out since before he took office. Nobody ever leaked Obama's conversations as they were protecting him, other than when he got caught on tape telling a Russian ambassador to " tell Vladimir that I will have more flexibility after my last election".

     If our wives or significant others heard all of our private conversations that we have amongst friends and acquaintances they would probably leave us. 

    Back to Ukraine: Nevermind the Quid Pro Quo where Biden said that if they don't fire the investigator that is looking into the company that his son worked for (who had no reason to work there) that he would withhold a billion dollars of tax payer money. That is the real smoking gun that nobody wants to look into for fear of finding out the truth. 

    Next up: John Bolton who of course the media is going to prop up as the best guy since Abe Lincoln when all they have ever done in the past is label him as a crazy fool which he very well could be. 

    Stay tuned! 
    Are you really trying to equate calls and conversations regarding governmental business to private conversations with friends? 
     
    There’s a reason that people are reporting these, and it’s because they’re concerned that they break the law. 


    TJ24587 says:

    Yes there is a difference between personal and business conversations. I am saying that Obama could have been heard saying that he murdered someone and nobody would have said boo. Heck! He was even caught on tape telling a Russian ambassador " Tell Putin I will have more flexibility after the next election" I'm sure that didn't have any suspicious implications??? I know I know, Obama has a big heart! 

    So they are reporting his private comments because they are concerned citizens huh? Where were they when the Obama administration wire tapped Trump Tower and when Samantha Powers unmasked a bunch of private citizens? Not to mention when they started spying on Carter Paige. Oh and where was the press when Hillary was throwing subpoena'd government servers out her window and smashing her cell phones with hammers??? I guess the media was busy with more important news of the day?
  • Smellyman
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    TJ25487 said:
    pearljammr78 said:
    TJ, being a Republican is a choice. Being a whatever(liberal, independent, satanist) is a choice. 

    Sticking with a belligerent racist criminal traitor is ignorant and just makes you look uninformed and gives your arguments no merit. This guy is the worst president in the history of the United States and it’s not even close. W got us into two forever wars. Carter was incompetent but had a good heart. Clinton and his wife are criminals too but guess what. News flash. She lost. The only people that still bring her up are Trumpers that have no merit for an argument. 

    Part of being an adult is admitting when your wrong. The laundry list of infractions and all of the associates of Trump and his family that have already been arrested and are getting indicted is growing. His prior and current administration lackeys are singing like birds in spring. 

    When will you and others realize that putting a known con man into office was a bad choice. Find another Republican with some merit to right the ship. I agree with some republican ideas. But I’m an environmental tree hugger who also understands that there can be a balance of consumerism and environmentalism. 

    This guy is a lost cause and from what it looks like a treasonous traitor. Ask the Kurds. Look at who benefits from that withdrawal. Russia. Remember when the republicans were the fuck Russia party and this buffoon welcomes them with open arms and gift bags. 

    To sum it up, it’s better to admit when your wrong and get on the rescue ship instead of going down with the titanic. We are Humans first and Americans second. History and present day will show that this criminal was the downfall of America and hopefully whoever comes next regardless of party can right the wrong. 
    PJ - I respect your opinions and you make some good points here but feel your opinions are a bit skewed as you believe mine are. 
    I am neither a Republican or Democrat

  • TJ25487
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    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Breitbart most certainly is not what CNN and MSNBC are to the left.
    Apparently you didn't see the Fox News (most watched news channel) report where Project Veritas infiltrated the CNN boardroom and tape recorded the owner Jeff Zucker basically saying to his higher ups " Fuck the news, get Trump". 
    The network nightly news pulls 3x as many viewers as fox. That's where swing voters get their information. 
    Sorry. I meant to say cable news. So what did you think of the report?
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    TJ25487 said:
    oftenreading said:
    TJ25487 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    TJ25487 said:
    Nolte: Dem Star Impeachment Witness Vindman Confirms Trump Did Nothing Wrong

    Another swing and a miss by the left. 

    https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/2019/10/30/nolte-dem-star-impeachment-witness-vindman-confirms-trump-did-nothing-wrong/
    Are you completely daft?  He went straight to NSC lawyers with concerns.  Read his damn opening statement and stop getting information Nolte on Breitbart.  All he does is write propaganda for the those without critical thinking skills.  Read the opening statement and then tell me that Vindman thinks everything was fine.  Christ almighty..  https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/Read-Alexander-Vindmans-Opening-Statement-on-Trumps-Ukraine-Call-564036951.html

    How about a nice easy quote?  "I was concerned by the call," Vindman wrote in his opening statement. "I did not think it was proper to demand that a foreign government investigate a U.S. citizen, and I was worried about the implications for the U.S. government’s support of Ukraine."

    The statement went on to say: "I realized that if Ukraine pursued an investigation into the Bidens and Burisma, it would likely be interpreted as a partisan play which would undoubtedly result in Ukraine losing the bipartisan support it has thus far maintained. This would all undermine U.S. national security. Following the call, I again reported my concerns to NSC’s lead counsel."

    Get out of your bubble and deal with facts.  


    I'm not as daft as your going to look when this impeachment charade is over. Vindman, Shiff, Nadler, Brennon, Clapper, Comey, Struck, Paige Pelosi, Baker, Simpson, Steele etc. etc. can all go whining and crying to anybody they want saying that Trump did this or did that but in the end nothing sticks as Trump breaking the law. For Christ sake you guys! The only reason we are hearing about all the crazy stuff Trump says is because all of his private conversations get leaked out because of all the partisan hacks in Washington that have been trying to take him out since before he took office. Nobody ever leaked Obama's conversations as they were protecting him, other than when he got caught on tape telling a Russian ambassador to " tell Vladimir that I will have more flexibility after my last election".

     If our wives or significant others heard all of our private conversations that we have amongst friends and acquaintances they would probably leave us. 

    Back to Ukraine: Nevermind the Quid Pro Quo where Biden said that if they don't fire the investigator that is looking into the company that his son worked for (who had no reason to work there) that he would withhold a billion dollars of tax payer money. That is the real smoking gun that nobody wants to look into for fear of finding out the truth. 

    Next up: John Bolton who of course the media is going to prop up as the best guy since Abe Lincoln when all they have ever done in the past is label him as a crazy fool which he very well could be. 

    Stay tuned! 
    Are you really trying to equate calls and conversations regarding governmental business to private conversations with friends? 
     
    There’s a reason that people are reporting these, and it’s because they’re concerned that they break the law. 


    TJ24587 says:

    Yes there is a difference between personal and business conversations. I am saying that Obama could have been heard saying that he murdered someone and nobody would have said boo. Heck! He was even caught on tape telling a Russian ambassador " Tell Putin I will have more flexibility after the next election" I'm sure that didn't have any suspicious implications??? I know I know, Obama has a big heart! 

    So they are reporting his private comments because they are concerned citizens huh? Where were they when the Obama administration wire tapped Trump Tower and when Samantha Powers unmasked a bunch of private citizens? Not to mention when they started spying on Carter Paige. Oh and where was the press when Hillary was throwing subpoena'd government servers out her window and smashing her cell phones with hammers??? I guess the media was busy with more important news of the day?
    You enjoying that fruit from the poisonous tree an awful lot. Be careful, you’ll feel bloated and make rash decisions. Like spike the football. Speaking of which, when will you reference the four page CYA Barr summary report in Team Trump Treason’s defense? Asking for a friend.
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