i wonder if don jr hid his pyramid of cocaine, or if they left it sitting out since it was not a subject of the warrant....
Evidence of other crimes discovered under the reason for this search warrant can result in charges for other crimes.
Sometimes
for example if you have a warrant to look for a car and you are going through a closet where a car can’t reasonably be that won’t fly
True but if you open a safe looking for documents and discover a ledger that might be relevant and upon a looksy it’s a tabulation of payments made for favors or a gun with blood on it and dna analysis and bullets fired from it match Marc Rich’s manner of homicide, there’s gonna be charges.
i wonder if don jr hid his pyramid of cocaine, or if they left it sitting out since it was not a subject of the warrant....
Evidence of other crimes discovered under the reason for this search warrant can result in charges for other crimes.
Sometimes
for example if you have a warrant to look for a car and you are going through a closet where a car can’t reasonably be that won’t fly
True but if you open a safe looking for documents and discover a ledger that might be relevant and upon a looksy it’s a tabulation of payments made for favors or a gun with blood on it and dna analysis and bullets fired from it match Marc Rich’s manner of homicide, there’s gonna be charges.
If they are looking for documents yeah, anything goes I assume
only an idiot would have anything on site. They will probably find the national archives documents because they know they were there. If they aren’t there that’s probably legally worse for trump. I thought at one point there were boxes in a picture of his office where you could see these documents in boxes
i wonder if don jr hid his pyramid of cocaine, or if they left it sitting out since it was not a subject of the warrant....
Evidence of other crimes discovered under the reason for this search warrant can result in charges for other crimes.
Sometimes
for example if you have a warrant to look for a car and you are going through a closet where a car can’t reasonably be that won’t fly
True but if you open a safe looking for documents and discover a ledger that might be relevant and upon a looksy it’s a tabulation of payments made for favors or a gun with blood on it and dna analysis and bullets fired from it match Marc Rich’s manner of homicide, there’s gonna be charges.
If they are looking for documents yeah, anything goes I assume
only an idiot would have anything on site. They will probably find the national archives documents because they know they were there. If they aren’t there that’s probably legally worse for trump. I thought at one point there were boxes in a published picture of these documents.
thats probably all they will get
National Archives asked for them to be returned and maybe not everything was returned and our intelligence agencies know what a full file would contain. And maybe because of the missing documents, the FBI got a FISA warrant to tap POOTWH’s wires? How would that taste as some fruit from the poisonous tree?
i wonder if don jr hid his pyramid of cocaine, or if they left it sitting out since it was not a subject of the warrant....
Evidence of other crimes discovered under the reason for this search warrant can result in charges for other crimes.
Sometimes
for example if you have a warrant to look for a car and you are going through a closet where a car can’t reasonably be that won’t fly
True but if you open a safe looking for documents and discover a ledger that might be relevant and upon a looksy it’s a tabulation of payments made for favors or a gun with blood on it and dna analysis and bullets fired from it match Marc Rich’s manner of homicide, there’s gonna be charges.
If they are looking for documents yeah, anything goes I assume
only an idiot would have anything on site. They will probably find the national archives documents because they know they were there. If they aren’t there that’s probably legally worse for trump. I thought at one point there were boxes in a published picture of these documents.
thats probably all they will get
National Archives asked for them to be returned and maybe not everything was returned and our intelligence agencies know what a full file would contain. And maybe because of the missing documents, the FBI got a FISA warrant to tap POOTWH’s wires? How would that taste as some fruit from the poisonous tree?
One can hope.
trump when not being handled is exceedingly stupid. When he doesn’t have an aide around the potential is limitless
i wonder if don jr hid his pyramid of cocaine, or if they left it sitting out since it was not a subject of the warrant....
Evidence of other crimes discovered under the reason for this search warrant can result in charges for other crimes.
Sometimes
for example if you have a warrant to look for a car and you are going through a closet where a car can’t reasonably be that won’t fly
True but if you open a safe looking for documents and discover a ledger that might be relevant and upon a looksy it’s a tabulation of payments made for favors or a gun with blood on it and dna analysis and bullets fired from it match Marc Rich’s manner of homicide, there’s gonna be charges.
If they are looking for documents yeah, anything goes I assume
only an idiot would have anything on site. They will probably find the national archives documents because they know they were there. If they aren’t there that’s probably legally worse for trump. I thought at one point there were boxes in a published picture of these documents.
thats probably all they will get
National Archives asked for them to be returned and maybe not everything was returned and our intelligence agencies know what a full file would contain. And maybe because of the missing documents, the FBI got a FISA warrant to tap POOTWH’s wires? How would that taste as some fruit from the poisonous tree?
One can hope.
trump when not being handled is exceedingly stupid. When he doesn’t have an aide around the potential is limitless
Let’s not forget that this puke declared war on our intelligence agencies and embraced our enemies, inviting some into the Oval Office. Those folks who keep this nation safe from enemies foreign and domestic don’t take shit like that lightly. And they’re not going to go after POOTWH because they’re Dems or don’t like his real estate deals but they will be there when he does stupid, stupid shit because he thinks he can get away with it. He’s fucked because he fucked with the wrong people.
Anyone remember those CIA people blown up by the double agent in a tent in Afghanistan? Those are the people he fucked with. What do you think a list of US spies is worth to certain people around the world?
And some of these documents are so highly classified that they probably can’t be publicly released in documents. What were they? Nuclear codes or strategies? Names of foreign US spies overseas? What dollar value is that type of information worth? Or is the threat of releasing a PTAPE enough? Otherwise, why and how?
i wonder if don jr hid his pyramid of cocaine, or if they left it sitting out since it was not a subject of the warrant....
Evidence of other crimes discovered under the reason for this search warrant can result in charges for other crimes.
Sometimes
for example if you have a warrant to look for a car and you are going through a closet where a car can’t reasonably be that won’t fly
True but if you open a safe looking for documents and discover a ledger that might be relevant and upon a looksy it’s a tabulation of payments made for favors or a gun with blood on it and dna analysis and bullets fired from it match Marc Rich’s manner of homicide, there’s gonna be charges.
If they are looking for documents yeah, anything goes I assume
only an idiot would have anything on site. They will probably find the national archives documents because they know they were there. If they aren’t there that’s probably legally worse for trump. I thought at one point there were boxes in a published picture of these documents.
thats probably all they will get
National Archives asked for them to be returned and maybe not everything was returned and our intelligence agencies know what a full file would contain. And maybe because of the missing documents, the FBI got a FISA warrant to tap POOTWH’s wires? How would that taste as some fruit from the poisonous tree?
One can hope.
trump when not being handled is exceedingly stupid. When he doesn’t have an aide around the potential is limitless
Let’s not forget that this puke declared war on our intelligence agencies and embraced our enemies, inviting some into the Oval Office. Those folks who keep this nation safe from enemies foreign and domestic don’t take shit like that lightly. And they’re not going to go after POOTWH because they’re Dems or don’t like his real estate deals but they will be there when he does stupid, stupid shit because he thinks he can get away with it. He’s fucked because he fucked with the wrong people.
Anyone remember those CIA people blown up by the double agent in a tent in Afghanistan? Those are the people he fucked with. What do you think a list of US spies is worth to certain people around the world?
It’s crossed my mind as to what the threshold actually is for black ops to step in for a national security threat
i wonder if don jr hid his pyramid of cocaine, or if they left it sitting out since it was not a subject of the warrant....
Evidence of other crimes discovered under the reason for this search warrant can result in charges for other crimes.
Sometimes
for example if you have a warrant to look for a car and you are going through a closet where a car can’t reasonably be that won’t fly
True but if you open a safe looking for documents and discover a ledger that might be relevant and upon a looksy it’s a tabulation of payments made for favors or a gun with blood on it and dna analysis and bullets fired from it match Marc Rich’s manner of homicide, there’s gonna be charges.
If they are looking for documents yeah, anything goes I assume
only an idiot would have anything on site. They will probably find the national archives documents because they know they were there. If they aren’t there that’s probably legally worse for trump. I thought at one point there were boxes in a published picture of these documents.
thats probably all they will get
National Archives asked for them to be returned and maybe not everything was returned and our intelligence agencies know what a full file would contain. And maybe because of the missing documents, the FBI got a FISA warrant to tap POOTWH’s wires? How would that taste as some fruit from the poisonous tree?
One can hope.
trump when not being handled is exceedingly stupid. When he doesn’t have an aide around the potential is limitless
Let’s not forget that this puke declared war on our intelligence agencies and embraced our enemies, inviting some into the Oval Office. Those folks who keep this nation safe from enemies foreign and domestic don’t take shit like that lightly. And they’re not going to go after POOTWH because they’re Dems or don’t like his real estate deals but they will be there when he does stupid, stupid shit because he thinks he can get away with it. He’s fucked because he fucked with the wrong people.
Anyone remember those CIA people blown up by the double agent in a tent in Afghanistan? Those are the people he fucked with. What do you think a list of US spies is worth to certain people around the world?
It’s crossed my mind as to what the threshold actually is for black ops to step in for a national security threat
All it would take is their confirmation that classified information was still missing after the documents were supposedly returned. These documents were were highly sensitive and the government wanted them back. No black ops required.
maga twitter is discussing the prospect of civil war.
i hate this timeline.
We’re talking the national security of the US and every elected repub needs to be put on the record as to who and what they support. Might be time to convene the senate select intelligence committee gang of 8 and brief them on what was missing and needed to be returned.
McCarthy the traitor releases a statement threatening AG Garland while Chucky Baby refuses to comment on Rachel Mad Cow until additional information becomes available and would rather discuss BBB, stripped down as it is.
I'd REALLLY like to know what these slack jawed yokels think a civil war would look like. they think they have 70 million people willing to engage an armed military? christ on a cracker, fuck these people are stupid.
I'd REALLLY like to know what these slack jawed yokels think a civil war would look like. they think they have 70 million people willing to engage an armed military? christ on a cracker, fuck these people are stupid.
They think the military is on their side and the police.
they aren’t totally wrong. I’d imagine a lot would switch sides or refuse to carry out orders
our military can’t defeat insurgents in other countries, and it’s impossible to defeat an ideology.
They better get some serious proof of something or this is going to blow up in all of our faces.
CBS was reporting that it was a violation of the records retention act. It seems they are there to recover documents that belong to the gov't. If that's the case, my guess is this is the limit of the 'intrusion'.
Anything is going to play to the cult when it comes to the persecution defense. Obviously justice needs to be served but I am really hoping for something more than a records violation that would feed into the paranoia of the right that trump is being targeted for purely political reasons.
Nah, this is just softening them up for the real charges.
BTW, while the crime of destroying or otherwise compromising federal records is only a misdemeanor (I believe), it does make you ineligible to hold federal office.
They better get some serious proof of something or this is going to blow up in all of our faces.
CBS was reporting that it was a violation of the records retention act. It seems they are there to recover documents that belong to the gov't. If that's the case, my guess is this is the limit of the 'intrusion'.
Anything is going to play to the cult when it comes to the persecution defense. Obviously justice needs to be served but I am really hoping for something more than a records violation that would feed into the paranoia of the right that trump is being targeted for purely political reasons.
Nah, this is just softening them up for the real charges.
BTW, while the crime of destroying or otherwise compromising federal records is only a misdemeanor (I believe), it does make you ineligible to hold federal office.
They better get some serious proof of something or this is going to blow up in all of our faces.
CBS was reporting that it was a violation of the records retention act. It seems they are there to recover documents that belong to the gov't. If that's the case, my guess is this is the limit of the 'intrusion'.
Anything is going to play to the cult when it comes to the persecution defense. Obviously justice needs to be served but I am really hoping for something more than a records violation that would feed into the paranoia of the right that trump is being targeted for purely political reasons.
Nah, this is just softening them up for the real charges.
BTW, while the crime of destroying or otherwise compromising federal records is only a misdemeanor (I believe), it does make you ineligible to hold federal office.
Not the presidency.
There have been people who have ran from prison before. eugene debs got 4% in 1920 from prison. coincidentally jailed and convicted for violating anti-sedition laws
They better get some serious proof of something or this is going to blow up in all of our faces.
CBS was reporting that it was a violation of the records retention act. It seems they are there to recover documents that belong to the gov't. If that's the case, my guess is this is the limit of the 'intrusion'.
Anything is going to play to the cult when it comes to the persecution defense. Obviously justice needs to be served but I am really hoping for something more than a records violation that would feed into the paranoia of the right that trump is being targeted for purely political reasons.
Nah, this is just softening them up for the real charges.
BTW, while the crime of destroying or otherwise compromising federal records is only a misdemeanor (I believe), it does make you ineligible to hold federal office.
Not the presidency.
There have been people who have ran from prison before. eugene debs got 4% in 1920 from prison. coincidentally jailed and convicted for violating anti-sedition laws
The statute specifically states that you cannot hold federal office. It also states you forfeit your current office. That's not true of other crimes. So yes, a convicted murderer can be president because neither a statute or Constitution prohibits it. This particular law does. I'll see if I can find it.
They better get some serious proof of something or this is going to blow up in all of our faces.
CBS was reporting that it was a violation of the records retention act. It seems they are there to recover documents that belong to the gov't. If that's the case, my guess is this is the limit of the 'intrusion'.
Anything is going to play to the cult when it comes to the persecution defense. Obviously justice needs to be served but I am really hoping for something more than a records violation that would feed into the paranoia of the right that trump is being targeted for purely political reasons.
Nah, this is just softening them up for the real charges.
BTW, while the crime of destroying or otherwise compromising federal records is only a misdemeanor (I believe), it does make you ineligible to hold federal office.
Not the presidency.
There have been people who have ran from prison before. eugene debs got 4% in 1920 from prison. coincidentally jailed and convicted for violating anti-sedition laws
The statute specifically states that you cannot hold federal office. It also states you forfeit your current office. That's not true of other crimes. So yes, a convicted murderer can be president because neither a statute or Constitution prohibits it. This particular law does. I'll see if I can find it.
The constitutional requirements for president don’t include crimes as a disqualification. I can’t imagine any federal court would allow any law to supersede that.
I guess a law is a law until it’s challenged. I would think it adds a stipulation not listed in the constitution
the fact we need to determine if a convicted criminal can be president in the first place shows the mess we are in
They better get some serious proof of something or this is going to blow up in all of our faces.
CBS was reporting that it was a violation of the records retention act. It seems they are there to recover documents that belong to the gov't. If that's the case, my guess is this is the limit of the 'intrusion'.
Anything is going to play to the cult when it comes to the persecution defense. Obviously justice needs to be served but I am really hoping for something more than a records violation that would feed into the paranoia of the right that trump is being targeted for purely political reasons.
Nah, this is just softening them up for the real charges.
BTW, while the crime of destroying or otherwise compromising federal records is only a misdemeanor (I believe), it does make you ineligible to hold federal office.
Not the presidency.
There have been people who have ran from prison before. eugene debs got 4% in 1920 from prison. coincidentally jailed and convicted for violating anti-sedition laws
The statute specifically states that you cannot hold federal office. It also states you forfeit your current office. That's not true of other crimes. So yes, a convicted murderer can be president because neither a statute or Constitution prohibits it. This particular law does. I'll see if I can find it.
The constitutional requirements for president don’t include crimes as a disqualification. I can’t imagine any federal court would allow any law to supersede that.
I guess a law is a law until it’s challenged. I would think it adds a stipulation not listed in the constitution
Anything not in the Constitution is left to either the state or the legislative branch. In this case, the legislative branch addressed it.
Edit - in thinking about it, you may be right inasmuch as the qualifications are set forward. It would be a helluva challenge.
§2071. Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States
Sandy Berger was fined $50K, had to perform 100 hours of community service, was put on probation for two years and lost his law license for removing a couple of documents related to his conduct as NSA director. This is a wee little bit more serious than that.
Sandy Berger was fined $50K, had to perform 100 hours of community service, was put on probation for two years and lost his law license for removing a couple of documents related to his conduct as NSA director. This is a wee little bit more serious than that.
Trump will probably sue the government for way more than that for damaging his beautiful house. He’s probably angling for a free renovation.
Consequences to him are probably not even on his radar. Getting something out of it probably is
They better get some serious proof of something or this is going to blow up in all of our faces.
CBS was reporting that it was a violation of the records retention act. It seems they are there to recover documents that belong to the gov't. If that's the case, my guess is this is the limit of the 'intrusion'.
Anything is going to play to the cult when it comes to the persecution defense. Obviously justice needs to be served but I am really hoping for something more than a records violation that would feed into the paranoia of the right that trump is being targeted for purely political reasons.
Which is why the cult shouldn't set any of the criteria about what's suitable evidence for any of his crimes and which of his crimes deserve punishment. He committed multiple crimes out in the open and they laughed it off. Manafort just said he shared polling data with Russians, which was something also pointed out in the Steele Dossier. Not one of them is suddenly going to see this and say "wow, I guess the dossier had valid stuff in it".
At this point I don't give a shit if anything blows up in anyone's face. I don't care if it's divisive and I don't want to hear about how we need to come to the center and heal the divide. Depending on how serious the classified info is, this could be one of his more minor crimes. If we can't have him held accountable just for this, we're screwed for at least the next 30 years.
They better get some serious proof of something or this is going to blow up in all of our faces.
CBS was reporting that it was a violation of the records retention act. It seems they are there to recover documents that belong to the gov't. If that's the case, my guess is this is the limit of the 'intrusion'.
Anything is going to play to the cult when it comes to the persecution defense. Obviously justice needs to be served but I am really hoping for something more than a records violation that would feed into the paranoia of the right that trump is being targeted for purely political reasons.
Which is why the cult shouldn't set any of the criteria about what's suitable evidence for any of his crimes and which of his crimes deserve punishment. He committed multiple crimes out in the open and they laughed it off. Manafort just said he shared polling data with Russians, which was something also pointed out in the Steele Dossier. Not one of them is suddenly going to see this and say "wow, I guess the dossier had valid stuff in it".
At this point I don't give a shit if anything blows up in anyone's face. I don't care if it's divisive and I don't want to hear about how we need to come to the center and heal the divide. Depending on how serious the classified info is, this could be one of his more minor crimes. If we can't have him held accountable just for this, we're screwed for at least the next 30 years.
Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately, I don't see anyway the divide can be healed. Letting 45 and his cult following off the hook would be a huge injustice and would play right into the hands of those who want to destroy democracy. It would make no sense to do that.
I do get get what static111 said about wanting to see more of the crimes brought to light in carrying out justice, but backing down to appease cultists is not going to stop them from being cultists. If anything, it will encourage them.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
They better get some serious proof of something or this is going to blow up in all of our faces.
CBS was reporting that it was a violation of the records retention act. It seems they are there to recover documents that belong to the gov't. If that's the case, my guess is this is the limit of the 'intrusion'.
Anything is going to play to the cult when it comes to the persecution defense. Obviously justice needs to be served but I am really hoping for something more than a records violation that would feed into the paranoia of the right that trump is being targeted for purely political reasons.
Which is why the cult shouldn't set any of the criteria about what's suitable evidence for any of his crimes and which of his crimes deserve punishment. He committed multiple crimes out in the open and they laughed it off. Manafort just said he shared polling data with Russians, which was something also pointed out in the Steele Dossier. Not one of them is suddenly going to see this and say "wow, I guess the dossier had valid stuff in it".
At this point I don't give a shit if anything blows up in anyone's face. I don't care if it's divisive and I don't want to hear about how we need to come to the center and heal the divide. Depending on how serious the classified info is, this could be one of his more minor crimes. If we can't have him held accountable just for this, we're screwed for at least the next 30 years.
Yeah, I agree. Unfortunately, I don't see anyway the divide can be healed. Letting 45 and his cult following off the hook would be a huge injustice and would play right into the hands of those who want to destroy democracy. It would make no sense to do that.
I do get get what static111 said about wanting to see more of the crimes brought to light in carrying out justice, but backing down to appease cultists is not going to stop them from being cultists. If anything, it will encourage them.
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for example if you have a warrant to look for a car and you are going through a closet where a car can’t reasonably be that won’t fly
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only an idiot would have anything on site. They will probably find the national archives documents because they know they were there. If they aren’t there that’s probably legally worse for trump. I thought at one point there were boxes in a picture of his office where you could see these documents in boxes
thats probably all they will get
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trump when not being handled is exceedingly stupid. When he doesn’t have an aide around the potential is limitless
Anyone remember those CIA people blown up by the double agent in a tent in Afghanistan? Those are the people he fucked with. What do you think a list of US spies is worth to certain people around the world?
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i hate this timeline.
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until additional information becomes available and would rather discuss BBB, stripped down as it is.
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they aren’t totally wrong. I’d imagine a lot would switch sides or refuse to carry out orders
our military can’t defeat insurgents in other countries, and it’s impossible to defeat an ideology.
BTW, while the crime of destroying or otherwise compromising federal records is only a misdemeanor (I believe), it does make you ineligible to hold federal office.
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
the fact we need to determine if a convicted criminal can be president in the first place shows the mess we are in
Edit - in thinking about it, you may be right inasmuch as the qualifications are set forward. It would be a helluva challenge.
§2071. Concealment, removal, or mutilation generally
(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term "office" does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States
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