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  • ikiTikiT USAPosts: 9,908
    The fucking Taliban.  Unbelievable.
    10 years in the 10club... 2010-2020 
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,046
    i think the taliban is gonna name kabul airport after trump. probably one of the few demands trump made when negotiating the withdrawl.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 28,838
    i think the taliban is gonna name kabul airport after trump. probably one of the few demands trump made when negotiating the withdrawl.
    POOTWH Tower Kabul International Airport.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 28,838
    A walking Ponzi Scheme. Suckers.

    Trump Tower’s key tenants have fallen behind on rent and moved out. But Trump has one reliable customer: His own PAC.

    NEW YORK — Inside Trump Tower, swank suit-maker Marcraft Clothes once rented the entire 18th floor, outfitting its offices with fireplaces, mahogany-lined closets and two bars for schmoozing customers.

    But then Marcraft fell $664,000 behind on rent and went out of business last year — its assets having dwindled to $40.75 in a checking account and “1,200 damaged coats,” according to court filings.

    One floor up, a business school once led by Kardashian family matriarch Kris Jenner was consumed by lawsuits, falling $198,000 behind on payments to Trump Tower by October 2020, according to court papers. And on the 21st and 22nd floors, the company that made Ivanka Trump shoes racked up $1.5 million in unpaid rent, according to a lawsuit that the Trump Organization filed this year.

    But through all that — as Trump Tower has dealt with imploding tenants, political backlash and a broader, pandemic-related slump in Manhattan office leasing since last year — it has been able to count on one reliable, high-paying tenant: former president Donald Trump’s own political operation.

    Starting in March, one of his committees, Make America Great Again PAC, paid $37,541.67 per month to rent office space on the 15th floor of Trump Tower — a space previously rented by his campaign — according to campaign-finance filings and a person familiar with the political action committee.

    This may not be the most efficient use of donors’ money: The person familiar with Trump’s PAC said that its staffers do not regularly use the office space. Also, for several months, Trump’s PAC paid the Trump Organization $3,000 per month to rent a retail kiosk in the tower’s lobby — even though the lobby was closed.

    Campaign-finance experts said the payments do not appear to be illegal. This kind of PAC has very few restrictions and no expiration date, so Trump is free to spend its money at his own properties as long as he wants.

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    Trump Tower’s key tenants have fallen behind on rent and moved out. But Trump has one reliable customer: His own PAC. - The Washington Post

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 22,714

    Trump-appointed ambassador directed government business to his hotel, emails show


    Yesterday at 9:34 a.m. EDT
    correction

    An earlier version of this story misidentified Kelly Craft’s husband as Robert Craft. His first name is Joe.

    Kelly Craft, who was appointed to two ambassadorships under President Donald Trump, directed government business to Trump’s hotel in Washington while in office, emails released by the State Department show.

    In November 2018, Craft — then the U.S. ambassador to Canada — received an email about an upcoming conference in Washington for ambassadors and other chiefs of mission. The email included a list of five recommended hotels in Washington that had blocks of rooms set aside for conference attendees, along with specially negotiated rates between $119 and $181 per night.

    Craft apparently ignored those recommendations.

    “Is this a meeting I should attend? If so, I would prefer the TRUMP HOTEL,” Craft wrote after forwarding the email to a staffer, referring to the Trump International Hotel, which was owned by Trump’s company and in a building leased from the federal government.

    The staffer replied that the conference was one Craft would “definitely” want to attend.

    “I’ll make reservations at the Trump Intl Hotel,” the staffer added.

    Craft’s emails were obtained from the State Department by the nonprofit legal watchdog group American Oversight through a records request under the Freedom of Information Act, and they were reported earlier Thursday by Forbes. The watchdog group accused Craft of using her position as an American diplomat “to line the president’s pockets” and said it was “an example of the casual corruption that permeated the Trump administration and undermines confidence in the United States.”


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    Beyond pathetic
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,144

    I'm actually surprised he isn't finding a way to monetize this somehow with a rally disguised as a 9/11 memorial stop somewhere. But I guess being on tv/PPV is more important to this self-involved asshole. And by the wording on the promotion of his and Jr's upcoming "commentary", it sounds like they won't be muzzling either of them on the "stolen election" either. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 3,891
    On one hand, I don't have it in me to be outraged that a former president isn't doing something for 9/11. On the other hand, imagine if it was Obama or Biden that wasn't doing anything...
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,144
    OnWis97 said:
    On one hand, I don't have it in me to be outraged that a former president isn't doing something for 9/11. On the other hand, imagine if it was Obama or Biden that wasn't doing anything...
    I think that's mostly what gets me, to be honest. fox and the conservative idiots would be outraged if obama did nothing. but trump? isn't it fitting that instead he's attending a fucking circus of a boxing match. once a carnival barker.....
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 6,071
    OnWis97 said:
    On one hand, I don't have it in me to be outraged that a former president isn't doing something for 9/11. On the other hand, imagine if it was Obama or Biden that wasn't doing anything...
    IDK that anything from trump would outrage or shock me anymore. He's redefined rock bottom so many times, I'm pretty much numb to it by now. 



    The hypocrisy of his base & the conservative media OTOH... 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 22,714
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,046
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,762
    I know.. except for the biggest battle.  But here's the other thing.. he's still wrong. The South had no chance to win the war.  After Europe refused to help break the blockades and the North continued to take huge chunks of land in teh western campaigns, the South was going to be choked out.  It was only a matter of time.  They simply did not have the resources, people or manufacturing to beat the North. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 22,714
    mrussel1 said:
    I know.. except for the biggest battle.  But here's the other thing.. he's still wrong. The South had no chance to win the war.  After Europe refused to help break the blockades and the North continued to take huge chunks of land in teh western campaigns, the South was going to be choked out.  It was only a matter of time.  They simply did not have the resources, people or manufacturing to beat the North. 

    nor did they have a General like Grant......

    once Lincoln tapped him, game over
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,046
    lest we forget w t sherman. would not have won if not for his march to the sea.

    even he was a better general than lee.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,046
    did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,762
    did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
    Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

    I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 25,094
    Is he really doing commentary on the Holyfield sick whatever you wanna call it? 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    Is he really doing commentary on the Holyfield sick whatever you wanna call it? 
    Yes
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,046
    mrussel1 said:
    did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
    Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

    I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 
    it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.

    i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles. 

    i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 22,714
    mrussel1 said:
    did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
    Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

    I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 
    it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.

    i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles. 

    i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.

    virtually any civil war book will have that.

    burnside held his own under grant though.

    if you ever have the opportunity, read/listen to Grants autobiography. Just excellent.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 28,144
    Is he really doing commentary on the Holyfield sick whatever you wanna call it? 
    Yes
    sort of. you can choose between the real commentators or trump and trump jr doing the "gamecast commentary". I'm not entirely sure what that means, but it appears you can choose.

    and they've all but said they'll just be sitting there talking about politics. 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,046
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
    Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

    I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 
    it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.

    i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles. 

    i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.

    virtually any civil war book will have that.

    burnside held his own under grant though.

    if you ever have the opportunity, read/listen to Grants autobiography. Just excellent.
    yeah i know i need to read that. the story behind that book is pretty incredible. he had lost his family fortune due to bad investments and he had inoperable throat cancer so he was slaving away writing this book with terminal cancer. he finished it just before he died and it ended up restoring the family fortune.

    burnside did take that bridge at antietam though, so that was pretty big.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 22,714
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
    Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

    I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 
    it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.

    i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles. 

    i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.

    virtually any civil war book will have that.

    burnside held his own under grant though.

    if you ever have the opportunity, read/listen to Grants autobiography. Just excellent.
    yeah i know i need to read that. the story behind that book is pretty incredible. he had lost his family fortune due to bad investments and he had inoperable throat cancer so he was slaving away writing this book with terminal cancer. he finished it just before he died and it ended up restoring the family fortune.

    burnside did take that bridge at antietam though, so that was pretty big.

    Mark Twain actually talked him into it and served as publisher.

    whats fucked is, he was photographed once with a cigar.  citizens then sent him cigars for the rest of his life, in effect killing him.....
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,046
    mickeyrat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
    Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

    I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 
    it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.

    i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles. 

    i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.

    virtually any civil war book will have that.

    burnside held his own under grant though.

    if you ever have the opportunity, read/listen to Grants autobiography. Just excellent.
    yeah i know i need to read that. the story behind that book is pretty incredible. he had lost his family fortune due to bad investments and he had inoperable throat cancer so he was slaving away writing this book with terminal cancer. he finished it just before he died and it ended up restoring the family fortune.

    burnside did take that bridge at antietam though, so that was pretty big.

    Mark Twain actually talked him into it and served as publisher.

    whats fucked is, he was photographed once with a cigar.  citizens then sent him cigars for the rest of his life, in effect killing him.....
    i did not know that about Twain. He is from Hannibal, MO and that is in my territory. It is a pretty cool little town. There is this huge statue of him off the side of the highway and i have never stopped to check it out because i am always in a hurry to get to there hospital or to get back home.

    yeah, if he knew that they caused cancer he would have probably thrown most of them out.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,046
    also, grant's farm is about 15 miles from here. i am not sure if that is the hardscrabble farm where he started out and ended up having to pawn his watch to purchase christmas presents, or if he lived there after the war. i need to look in to that place more.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 22,762
    mrussel1 said:
    did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
    Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

    I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 
    it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.

    i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles. 

    i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.
    Yeah, McClellan was the worst, particularly with the Peninsula campaign.  He could have take Richmond right then and there, but he was too scared to move.  

    In the list of bad generals, don't forget about Hooker.  He did a great job getting his ass kicked at Chancellorsville.  

    Fun fact, when I lived in Spotsy county, I owned a house that bordered on the battlefield.  The telltale pickets that surround the hallowed grounds were next to my property.  It was a pretty cool place.  Very thick and high pine trees to this day, so you could see how difficult the ground would be to advance an army.  Other than that, Fredericksburg area sucks. 
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 19,046
    mrussel1 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    did trump mention that the confederate troops used to call lee "granny lee"? if he knew that he would not like him as much.
    Did the troops call him that, or the other officers?  I always thought it was the officers.  

    I don't think you can really disparage Lee's strategic and tactical skills, but the reality is that he was fighting with inferior resources.  Grant and Sherman were certainly excellent and merciless generals, whereas the Army of the Potomac's previous commanders were prima donnas and soft. 
    it may have been the officers. i read about it maybe 20 years ago. i thought it was the troops because he was old and really disciplined. it may have been the other officers though.

    i remember winfield scott was the initial commanding general and oversaw many of the early union losses. at any given battle mcclellan always thought they were outnumbered by 50,000 troops even when the union had more troops so that made mcclellan too scared to go on the offensive. he finally got sacked and then out of sour grapes ran against lincoln in 1864 and promptly got trounced. burnside was a terrible commander so he got sacked. then grant came in and they actually started winning some battles. 

    i remember reading a letter from lincoln to mcclellan basically begging him to do some sort of attack. he said something like "if you are not going to use the army i would like to borrow it for awhile." he also implorted him "you must act'. I need to try to find it.
    Yeah, McClellan was the worst, particularly with the Peninsula campaign.  He could have take Richmond right then and there, but he was too scared to move.  

    In the list of bad generals, don't forget about Hooker.  He did a great job getting his ass kicked at Chancellorsville.  

    Fun fact, when I lived in Spotsy county, I owned a house that bordered on the battlefield.  The telltale pickets that surround the hallowed grounds were next to my property.  It was a pretty cool place.  Very thick and high pine trees to this day, so you could see how difficult the ground would be to advance an army.  Other than that, Fredericksburg area sucks. 
    i would have liked to see little phil sheridan get a crack at it. "that was ungenerous. i'll take your guns for that." classic line. he also once said "if i owned texas and hell, i'd rent out texas and live in hell". also something like "i have never in my life taken a command into battle and had the slightest desire to come out alive unless i won."

    mcclellan had the biggest army on earth and was afraid to use it. that war could have ended in 1862. and yeah lol hooker got smashed there. 

    that is awesome you lived near the battlefield. always wanted to visit that one. is that the same area as the battle of the wilderness, or was that the battle of spotsylvania?

    weird question for you. did you ever hear anything weird in the night? like phantom cannon shells or phantom gunfire? i hear people that live near civil war battlefields hear things like that. like paranormal remnant or something.
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