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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Dems had the white house, senate, and house from 2009-2011
  • my2hands said:
    Dems had the white house, senate, and house from 2009-2011
    And they focused on healthcare. There weren’t any repubs screaming that we don’t need health care but we do need a wall during 2009-2011.
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  • mfc2006
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    mfc2006 said:
    How the hell does google figure that these type of ads are befitting my Pearl Jam bootleg blog? I have to see if there's a way to control what is advertised on your blog. 

    Edit: Okay I fixed it. But still...why would Trump ads be automated on my Pearl Jam page in the first place? Weird. 


    Google tracks your shopping interests and then the advertising banners on different sites feature items that might be of interest to you to try and entice you.

    So... when you looked at getting some Trump merch...
    Not just your shopping interests, but also what sites you visit, articles you read, etc.
    I'm just hassling him a bit.
    I know; just adding some extra info.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    my2hands said:
    Dems had the white house, senate, and house from 2009-2011
    And they focused on healthcare. There weren’t any repubs screaming that we don’t need health care but we do need a wall during 2009-2011.
    Well shit. I didn’t know you could only get 1 thing done in 2 years with the executive and legislative branch in your control. 
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  • mfc2006 said:
    How the hell does google figure that these type of ads are befitting my Pearl Jam bootleg blog? I have to see if there's a way to control what is advertised on your blog. 

    Edit: Okay I fixed it. But still...why would Trump ads be automated on my Pearl Jam page in the first place? Weird. 


    Google tracks your shopping interests and then the advertising banners on different sites feature items that might be of interest to you to try and entice you.

    So... when you looked at getting some Trump merch...
    Not just your shopping interests, but also what sites you visit, articles you read, etc.
    I'm just hassling him a bit.
    But I've definitely never looked up Trump merch. I do however admit to watching Fox News videos on YouTube from time to time, but certainly not often enough to suggest that Trump-stuff should be advertised on my blog. Hell, if it really went by sites I visit and articles I read, every advertisement on the blog would be about how the Miami Dolphins stink. 

    And good line by Cincybearcat suggesting that I search for "dumbass brunettes." That was funny (and closer to my actual searches that Trump-related stuff)
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJNB said:
    As a Canadian I find it pretty fucking weird no matter what side you are on to wear hats or clothes for your political alliance. How odd. 
    You see American cars with bumper stickers supporting their candidates as well, all to fuckin weird, I do not think I've ever seen a bumper sticker on Canadian car advertising their candidates.  Of course in Canada, once the elections are over the elected get sworn in and we do not hear about next until the year the election takes place...we are not in eternal campaign mode.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    PJNB said:
    As a Canadian I find it pretty fucking weird no matter what side you are on to wear hats or clothes for your political alliance. How odd. 
    You see American cars with bumper stickers supporting their candidates as well, all to fuckin weird, I do not think I've ever seen a bumper sticker on Canadian car advertising their candidates.  Of course in Canada, once the elections are over the elected get sworn in and we do not hear about next until the year the election takes place...we are not in eternal campaign mode.
    The eternal campaigning is a huge issue.
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  • my2hands said:
    Dems had the white house, senate, and house from 2009-2011
    And they focused on healthcare. There weren’t any repubs screaming that we don’t need health care but we do need a wall during 2009-2011.
    Well shit. I didn’t know you could only get 1 thing done in 2 years with the executive and legislative branch in your control. 
    It’s called a “heavy lift.” Finite number of staff to work through the issues to get a major piece of legislation passed and enacted. Care to cite the equivalent repub piece of legislation regardless of issue? And wasn’t one of the chief complaints was that you’re trying to legislate 1/12 of the economy? And yet Dems got it done without one repub vote despite the inclusion, debate, mark ups, etc. And yet you still want to believe “both sides are the same.” The repubs are afraid of their white nationalist base and they have only themselves to blame, see gerrymandering.
     
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    PJNB said:
    As a Canadian I find it pretty fucking weird no matter what side you are on to wear hats or clothes for your political alliance. How odd. 
    You see American cars with bumper stickers supporting their candidates as well, all to fuckin weird, I do not think I've ever seen a bumper sticker on Canadian car advertising their candidates.  Of course in Canada, once the elections are over the elected get sworn in and we do not hear about next until the year the election takes place...we are not in eternal campaign mode.
    The eternal campaigning is a huge issue.
    I do not understand that.  I think America is a way to political for my liking.  
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  • PJNB said:
    As a Canadian I find it pretty fucking weird no matter what side you are on to wear hats or clothes for your political alliance. How odd. 
    You see American cars with bumper stickers supporting their candidates as well, all to fuckin weird, I do not think I've ever seen a bumper sticker on Canadian car advertising their candidates.  Of course in Canada, once the elections are over the elected get sworn in and we do not hear about next until the year the election takes place...we are not in eternal campaign mode.
    What are your campaign finance laws like? Limits? Amount raised and spent? Tv advertising, etc.? Corporations and individuals donor limits?
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  • cincybearcat
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    my2hands said:
    Dems had the white house, senate, and house from 2009-2011
    And they focused on healthcare. There weren’t any repubs screaming that we don’t need health care but we do need a wall during 2009-2011.
    Well shit. I didn’t know you could only get 1 thing done in 2 years with the executive and legislative branch in your control. 
    It’s called a “heavy lift.” Finite number of staff to work through the issues to get a major piece of legislation passed and enacted. Care to cite the equivalent repub piece of legislation regardless of issue? And wasn’t one of the chief complaints was that you’re trying to legislate 1/12 of the economy? And yet Dems got it done without one repub vote despite the inclusion, debate, mark ups, etc. And yet you still want to believe “both sides are the same.” The repubs are afraid of their white nationalist base and they have only themselves to blame, see gerrymandering.
     
    In the case of immigration reform I do see both sides as the same. You are the one trying to broaden it.

    and the 1 issue every 2 years argument is bogus.
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  • my2hands said:
    Dems had the white house, senate, and house from 2009-2011
    And they focused on healthcare. There weren’t any repubs screaming that we don’t need health care but we do need a wall during 2009-2011.
    Well shit. I didn’t know you could only get 1 thing done in 2 years with the executive and legislative branch in your control. 
    It’s called a “heavy lift.” Finite number of staff to work through the issues to get a major piece of legislation passed and enacted. Care to cite the equivalent repub piece of legislation regardless of issue? And wasn’t one of the chief complaints was that you’re trying to legislate 1/12 of the economy? And yet Dems got it done without one repub vote despite the inclusion, debate, mark ups, etc. And yet you still want to believe “both sides are the same.” The repubs are afraid of their white nationalist base and they have only themselves to blame, see gerrymandering.
     
    In the case of immigration reform I do see both sides as the same. You are the one trying to broaden it.

    and the 1 issue every 2 years argument is bogus.
    Again, you seem to be dismissive of what has alreadyt been proposed by a bi-partisan group of senators. Then the white nationalist Mitchy Baby got ascared of his white nationalist base and then Team Trump Treason walked away because President Coulter and VP Rushbo told him to. Yea, both sides are the same. Can you name a repub piece of legislation that has passed that is as significant as healthcare or immigration in its scope and complexity? Better yet, name more than 1 legislative issue of such scope and complexity that has been passed by the repubs when they had all three branches of governoment, seeing how you think its such a simple task? 
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  • And this guy has his "finger" on the trigger, this Team Trump Treason?

    Opinion

    Trump finds a cure for his small-hands problem

    Trump aides have been elongating his fingers on social media. What else could they edit?

    By Dana Milbank  •  Read more »


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  • cincybearcat
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    my2hands said:
    Dems had the white house, senate, and house from 2009-2011
    And they focused on healthcare. There weren’t any repubs screaming that we don’t need health care but we do need a wall during 2009-2011.
    Well shit. I didn’t know you could only get 1 thing done in 2 years with the executive and legislative branch in your control. 
    It’s called a “heavy lift.” Finite number of staff to work through the issues to get a major piece of legislation passed and enacted. Care to cite the equivalent repub piece of legislation regardless of issue? And wasn’t one of the chief complaints was that you’re trying to legislate 1/12 of the economy? And yet Dems got it done without one repub vote despite the inclusion, debate, mark ups, etc. And yet you still want to believe “both sides are the same.” The repubs are afraid of their white nationalist base and they have only themselves to blame, see gerrymandering.
     
    In the case of immigration reform I do see both sides as the same. You are the one trying to broaden it.

    and the 1 issue every 2 years argument is bogus.
    Again, you seem to be dismissive of what has alreadyt been proposed by a bi-partisan group of senators. Then the white nationalist Mitchy Baby got ascared of his white nationalist base and then Team Trump Treason walked away because President Coulter and VP Rushbo told him to. Yea, both sides are the same. Can you name a repub piece of legislation that has passed that is as significant as healthcare or immigration in its scope and complexity? Better yet, name more than 1 legislative issue of such scope and complexity that has been passed by the repubs when they had all three branches of governoment, seeing how you think its such a simple task? 
    I’m dismissive of any proposal that hasn’t become law cause it isn’t helping. 

    Why are you deflecting to other issues? We are taking about immigration reform. A party choosing to work on anything else is them saying the other is not as important. That’s my point, neither party actually thinks it’s important.


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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,637
    edited January 2019
    my2hands said:
    Dems had the white house, senate, and house from 2009-2011
    And they focused on healthcare. There weren’t any repubs screaming that we don’t need health care but we do need a wall during 2009-2011.
    Well shit. I didn’t know you could only get 1 thing done in 2 years with the executive and legislative branch in your control. 
    It’s called a “heavy lift.” Finite number of staff to work through the issues to get a major piece of legislation passed and enacted. Care to cite the equivalent repub piece of legislation regardless of issue? And wasn’t one of the chief complaints was that you’re trying to legislate 1/12 of the economy? And yet Dems got it done without one repub vote despite the inclusion, debate, mark ups, etc. And yet you still want to believe “both sides are the same.” The repubs are afraid of their white nationalist base and they have only themselves to blame, see gerrymandering.
     
    In the case of immigration reform I do see both sides as the same. You are the one trying to broaden it.

    and the 1 issue every 2 years argument is bogus.
    Again, you seem to be dismissive of what has alreadyt been proposed by a bi-partisan group of senators. Then the white nationalist Mitchy Baby got ascared of his white nationalist base and then Team Trump Treason walked away because President Coulter and VP Rushbo told him to. Yea, both sides are the same. Can you name a repub piece of legislation that has passed that is as significant as healthcare or immigration in its scope and complexity? Better yet, name more than 1 legislative issue of such scope and complexity that has been passed by the repubs when they had all three branches of governoment, seeing how you think its such a simple task? 
    Forget health care.  I agree that multiple important things can be done at the same time.  The reason I'm not buying "both sides" is that the GOP is selling this as the most important initiative since WWII.  And they chose to sit on it for two years until they could use it to try to win a battle vs. democrats (and/or share the blame for such a cluserfuck with them).  And now accuse the Democrats of "playing politics?"  And this whole discussion started with the question of "why did they do that?"  "Both sides" is 50% deflection.

    I actually don't think the GOP wants the wall.  I know Trump does.  But I don't think the rest do.  So they've been deceiving him into thinking they are on his side, thereby allowing themselves to be free of the burden of implementing something with a poor cost-benefit ratio, and winning points with the base by villainizing Democrats. It's a good way to win a game and a bad way to serve a country.  It's awful and it's the GOP.  Fuck them, regardless of what Democrats have done.

    So once again: Why did this go down this way?  Why did the GOP not do this while they had both houses of congress?  Not "well everyone is bad" but this wall; this monument to ending humanitarian crises?  Why wait until weeks until the Dems takeover the House?  
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  • And this guy has his "finger" on the trigger, this Team Trump Treason?

    Opinion

    Trump finds a cure for his small-hands problem

    Trump aides have been elongating his fingers on social media. What else could they edit?

    By Dana Milbank  •  Read more »


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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    OnWis97 said:
    my2hands said:
    Dems had the white house, senate, and house from 2009-2011
    And they focused on healthcare. There weren’t any repubs screaming that we don’t need health care but we do need a wall during 2009-2011.
    Well shit. I didn’t know you could only get 1 thing done in 2 years with the executive and legislative branch in your control. 
    It’s called a “heavy lift.” Finite number of staff to work through the issues to get a major piece of legislation passed and enacted. Care to cite the equivalent repub piece of legislation regardless of issue? And wasn’t one of the chief complaints was that you’re trying to legislate 1/12 of the economy? And yet Dems got it done without one repub vote despite the inclusion, debate, mark ups, etc. And yet you still want to believe “both sides are the same.” The repubs are afraid of their white nationalist base and they have only themselves to blame, see gerrymandering.
     
    In the case of immigration reform I do see both sides as the same. You are the one trying to broaden it.

    and the 1 issue every 2 years argument is bogus.
    Again, you seem to be dismissive of what has alreadyt been proposed by a bi-partisan group of senators. Then the white nationalist Mitchy Baby got ascared of his white nationalist base and then Team Trump Treason walked away because President Coulter and VP Rushbo told him to. Yea, both sides are the same. Can you name a repub piece of legislation that has passed that is as significant as healthcare or immigration in its scope and complexity? Better yet, name more than 1 legislative issue of such scope and complexity that has been passed by the repubs when they had all three branches of governoment, seeing how you think its such a simple task? 
    Forget health care.  I agree that multiple important things can be done at the same time.  The reason I'm not buying "both sides" is that the GOP is selling this as the most important initiative since WWII.  And they chose to sit on it for two years until they could use it to try to win a battle vs. democrats (and/or share the blame for such a cluserfuck with them).  And now accuse the Democrats of "playing politics?"  And this whole discussion started with the question of "why did they do that?"  "Both sides" is 50% deflection.

    I actually don't think the GOP wants the wall.  I know Trump does.  But I don't think the rest do.  So they've been deceiving him into thinking they are on his side, thereby allowing themselves to be free of the burden of implementing something with a poor cost-benefit ratio, and winning points with the base by villainizing Democrats. It's a good way to win a game and a bad way to serve a country.  It's awful and it's the GOP.  Fuck them, regardless of what Democrats have done.
    Im not excusing the pathetic republicans that have made this their current #1 issue just to rule up the base. Just there have been many opportunities for legislation here and nothing has ever gotten done. 
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    my2hands said:
    Dems had the white house, senate, and house from 2009-2011
    And they focused on healthcare. There weren’t any repubs screaming that we don’t need health care but we do need a wall during 2009-2011.
    Well shit. I didn’t know you could only get 1 thing done in 2 years with the executive and legislative branch in your control. 
    It’s called a “heavy lift.” Finite number of staff to work through the issues to get a major piece of legislation passed and enacted. Care to cite the equivalent repub piece of legislation regardless of issue? And wasn’t one of the chief complaints was that you’re trying to legislate 1/12 of the economy? And yet Dems got it done without one repub vote despite the inclusion, debate, mark ups, etc. And yet you still want to believe “both sides are the same.” The repubs are afraid of their white nationalist base and they have only themselves to blame, see gerrymandering.
     
    In the case of immigration reform I do see both sides as the same. You are the one trying to broaden it.

    and the 1 issue every 2 years argument is bogus.

    Hmmmm....where have I heard this before?

    Both sides are bad on immigration.  It's called horseshoe politics and it's what got Britain into this Brexit mess, courtesy of a little Russian propaganda assistance.  

    And now you're promoting it here.  Watch as this narrative continues to get pushed.  It all helps with their goal : "Deconstruction of the administrative state"
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    CM189191 said:
    my2hands said:
    Dems had the white house, senate, and house from 2009-2011
    And they focused on healthcare. There weren’t any repubs screaming that we don’t need health care but we do need a wall during 2009-2011.
    Well shit. I didn’t know you could only get 1 thing done in 2 years with the executive and legislative branch in your control. 
    It’s called a “heavy lift.” Finite number of staff to work through the issues to get a major piece of legislation passed and enacted. Care to cite the equivalent repub piece of legislation regardless of issue? And wasn’t one of the chief complaints was that you’re trying to legislate 1/12 of the economy? And yet Dems got it done without one repub vote despite the inclusion, debate, mark ups, etc. And yet you still want to believe “both sides are the same.” The repubs are afraid of their white nationalist base and they have only themselves to blame, see gerrymandering.
     
    In the case of immigration reform I do see both sides as the same. You are the one trying to broaden it.

    and the 1 issue every 2 years argument is bogus.

    Hmmmm....where have I heard this before?

    Both sides are bad on immigration.  It's called horseshoe politics and it's what got Britain into this Brexit mess, courtesy of a little Russian propaganda assistance.  

    And now you're promoting it here.  Watch as this narrative continues to get pushed.  It all helps with their goal : "Deconstruction of the administrative state"
    Breaking shit just to break it is TREASON.
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,974
    Putin celebrates every day at how destabilized America has become at the hands of his puppet.


    Falling down,...not staying down
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