Donald Trump

Halifax2TheMax

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Oh my god. Cuomo has some GREAT lines here when he gives up playing polite journalist and turns arrogant on Kellyanne. I adore him.

"You know, some people investigate things based on merit"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgXIEUd2wUM&t=1194s

Sputter, sputter spew 

ikiT

When I watched that in real time last night, Chris Cuomo looked exhausted at the end of the KAC block...like he was thinking to himself, "I came to DC just to do this interview, zero breaks, AND I still have 35 minutes of show to do."

I knew it was going to be a shitshow when she walked behind him (on camera) and sat down before he introduced her.

JC29856

Tiki said:

JC29856 said:

benjs said:

Tiki said:

JC29856 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Post mid terms, pre thanksgiving turkey: Team Trump Treason fires Session and pardons Manafort, citing the holiday so Paulie can have possum with his family around the table and Session can argue with his family about his oh so wise decision to leave the senate and go to work directly for an organized crime syndicate.

Key Republicans Give Trump a Path to Fire Sessions After the Election - Bloomberg https://apple.news/AQkrYD98BQh-2sZ1a0dNGVw

If you can only pick one, who would you want fired, Sessions or Mueller?
Imagine the spread of Rachel Madcow diseases if Mueller was fired! I think you would opt for Mueller.

PAY UP or SHUT UP

Tiki, please don’t get yourself in trouble over JC. 

benjs, what's so troubling about that post? 

I like your attitude.  

I'm an ex-libertarian hockey player/stand up comic...I believe in absolute free speech, policing ourselves and lol.
Now I'm just a Russian sock puppet.

Halifax2TheMax

Tiki said:

When I watched that in real time last night, Chris Cuomo looked exhausted at the end of the KAC block...like he was thinking to himself, "I came to DC just to do this interview, zero breaks, AND I still have 35 minutes of show to do."

I knew it was going to be a shitshow when she walked behind him (on camera) and sat down before he introduced her.

Did you see Miller’s orgasm face when they put him and the other guy in the little up next box. I think he soiled himself. Multiple times.

Merkin Baller

Seems significant... 

https://twitter.com/tpm/status/1033006189871878145?s=21

Halifax2TheMax

Merkin Baller said:

Seems significant... 

https://twitter.com/tpm/status/1033006189871878145?s=21

Explains 3D, D’ing.

ikiT

When KAC leaned back in that chair I was like What the fucking fuck.

Gern Blansten

Trump CFO given immunity....this is the end folks.

mfc2006

Gern Blansten said:

Trump CFO given immunity....this is the end folks.

Hopefully

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I was just thinking this morning about how amazing it is that the fact that the POTUS is a serial cheater with porn star doesn't even really seem to be a part of the story, lol. It's a amazing how tolerant the right has become out that kind of thing in the past year and a half! At this rate, the GOP will be promoting open marriage and subsidies for the porn industry before Trump's term is up.

the outrage over a democrat cheating with an intern is really fucking funny now. 

I’m still upset about it. It was a #metoo moment before it was cool. A leader fucking his intern at the office....not cool. He should have been removed from office for that shit and lying.

And trump is way worse cause he seems to be fucking everyone over and lying every time he opens his mouth.  Can’t wait till he is gone.

You think a president should be removed from office for cheating? That would disqualify probably 95% of all presidents, lol.
BTW, the Lewinsky thing was not a #metoo moment at all. She never accused Clinton of sexual harassment or abuse. She was a willing participant. I'm not saying I think it was appropriate, just that that comparison is not valid, and the incident was not at all potentially impeachable - it was not a crime. It was only the lying afterwards that was. Again, I'm not defending Clinton, just pointing out the facts.
My point, and HFD's I think, was that the way the cheating behaviour by Trump is being roundly ignored... not even just by the GOP. It's generally being ignored by everyone.... In Clinton's case, it seemed to me that his actual sexual indiscretion was the main focus. But with Trump, his sexual indiscretions x 2+ and his 19 sexual assault accusations are getting the least focus. For that record to be basically ignored by just about everyone because there are so many other crimes and scandals and insanity to focus, you know it's fucking REALLY bad! And, of course, that the GOP is ridiculously hypocritical about the whole family values and the whole Bill Clinton thing, but we all know that already.

ikiT

Speaking of Monica....

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kavanaugh-clinton-questions-713428/

PJ_Soul

mfc2006 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

Tiki said:

“If I ever got impeached, I think the market would crash, I think everybody would be very poor. Because without this thinking (pointing to his head) you would see, you would see numbers that you wouldn’t believe in reverse.”

Holy fucking shit.

Yea, right?

Fucking delusional.

Yes, textbook delusions of grandeur for sure... if he actually thinks it. Chances are good that he knows it's not the case but is saying it because he knows his base is that stupid.

ikiT

He's no Merrick Garland...that's for sure.

OnWis97

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I was just thinking this morning about how amazing it is that the fact that the POTUS is a serial cheater with porn star doesn't even really seem to be a part of the story, lol. It's a amazing how tolerant the right has become out that kind of thing in the past year and a half! At this rate, the GOP will be promoting open marriage and subsidies for the porn industry before Trump's term is up.

the outrage over a democrat cheating with an intern is really fucking funny now. 

I’m still upset about it. It was a #metoo moment before it was cool. A leader fucking his intern at the office....not cool. He should have been removed from office for that shit and lying.

And trump is way worse cause he seems to be fucking everyone over and lying every time he opens his mouth.  Can’t wait till he is gone.

You think a president should be removed from office for cheating? That would disqualify probably 95% of all presidents, lol.
BTW, the Lewinsky thing was not a #metoo moment at all. She never accused Clinton of sexual harassment or abuse. She was a willing participant. I'm not saying I think it was appropriate, just that that comparison is not valid, and the incident was not at all potentially impeachable - it was not a crime. It was only the lying afterwards that was. Again, I'm not defending Clinton, just pointing out the facts.
My point, and HFD's I think, was that the way the cheating behaviour by Trump is being roundly ignored... not even just by the GOP. It's generally being ignored by everyone.... In Clinton's case, it seemed to me that his actual sexual indiscretion was the main focus. But with Trump, his sexual indiscretions x 2+ and his 19 sexual assault accusations are getting the least focus. For that record to be basically ignored by just about everyone because there are so many other crimes and scandals and insanity to focus, you know it's fucking REALLY bad! And, of course, that the GOP is ridiculously hypocritical about the whole family values and the whole Bill Clinton thing, but we all know that already.

As a member of the left that Voted twice for Clinton...we need to stop defending that.  Just like Trump says all sorts of shit that would get him fired from a regular job, so too would Bill have been fired for that.  It's a blatant abuse of power.  Yes she consented and Bill did not commit a crime by having sex with her.  So you can argue it's not a true meetoo issue.  My feeling was that he should have been removed as well.

Is Trump a worse person?  Depends on how much stuff you believe about Clinton.  They're both awful.  Is Trump a worse President?  Absolutely.  Has Trump done things worse than Bill did with Monica? Yup.  But at the very least, we need to evolve and in hindsight, say, Clinton was not a "blowjob" issue; in hindsight it was much more than that and just as embarrassing to the office as most of things Trump does (this is not to suggest that Bill can compete with the sheer volume of embarrassments that Trump brings).

Regarding Trump's cheating being ignored...yes, he's getting a huge pass (especially from family values folks, etc.) but the affairs from 15 years ago are not the same as an affair with an intern while in office.  That's the difference.  Nobody thinks Bill should have been impeached for his 1980s affairs.

PJ_Soul

OnWis97 said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I was just thinking this morning about how amazing it is that the fact that the POTUS is a serial cheater with porn star doesn't even really seem to be a part of the story, lol. It's a amazing how tolerant the right has become out that kind of thing in the past year and a half! At this rate, the GOP will be promoting open marriage and subsidies for the porn industry before Trump's term is up.

the outrage over a democrat cheating with an intern is really fucking funny now. 

I’m still upset about it. It was a #metoo moment before it was cool. A leader fucking his intern at the office....not cool. He should have been removed from office for that shit and lying.

And trump is way worse cause he seems to be fucking everyone over and lying every time he opens his mouth.  Can’t wait till he is gone.

You think a president should be removed from office for cheating? That would disqualify probably 95% of all presidents, lol.
BTW, the Lewinsky thing was not a #metoo moment at all. She never accused Clinton of sexual harassment or abuse. She was a willing participant. I'm not saying I think it was appropriate, just that that comparison is not valid, and the incident was not at all potentially impeachable - it was not a crime. It was only the lying afterwards that was. Again, I'm not defending Clinton, just pointing out the facts.
My point, and HFD's I think, was that the way the cheating behaviour by Trump is being roundly ignored... not even just by the GOP. It's generally being ignored by everyone.... In Clinton's case, it seemed to me that his actual sexual indiscretion was the main focus. But with Trump, his sexual indiscretions x 2+ and his 19 sexual assault accusations are getting the least focus. For that record to be basically ignored by just about everyone because there are so many other crimes and scandals and insanity to focus, you know it's fucking REALLY bad! And, of course, that the GOP is ridiculously hypocritical about the whole family values and the whole Bill Clinton thing, but we all know that already.

As a member of the left that Voted twice for Clinton...we need to stop defending that.  Just like Trump says all sorts of shit that would get him fired from a regular job, so too would Bill have been fired for that.  It's a blatant abuse of power.  Yes she consented and Bill did not commit a crime by having sex with her.  So you can argue it's not a true meetoo issue.  My feeling was that he should have been removed as well.

Is Trump a worse person?  Depends on how much stuff you believe about Clinton.  They're both awful.  Is Trump a worse President?  Absolutely.  Has Trump done things worse than Bill did with Monica? Yup.  But at the very least, we need to evolve and in hindsight, say, Clinton was not a "blowjob" issue; in hindsight it was much more than that and just as embarrassing to the office as most of things Trump does (this is not to suggest that Bill can compete with the sheer volume of embarrassments that Trump brings).

Regarding Trump's cheating being ignored...yes, he's getting a huge pass (especially from family values folks, etc.) but the affairs from 15 years ago are not the same as an affair with an intern while in office.  That's the difference.  Nobody thinks Bill should have been impeached for his 1980s affairs.

But a POTUS can't be removed for something like that. And I'm not defending it. I'm just looking at it objectively. I'm also not convinced it was an abuse of power - I actually feel like Lewinsky knew exactly what she was doing and was doing it specifically because it was the POTUS; I do not believe that JUST because someone is in a higher position it is automatically an abuse of power.
Does anyone thing Bill should have been impeached for the 90s affair?? That is simply not an impeachable offense. Period. It makes no difference if people didn't like it. And nobody thinks that Trump should be impeached for cheating with the porn stars. They think he should be impeached for paying them off to sway the election. I was simply talking about how people are ignoring the moral aspect of it in a very weird way.
I feel 100% comfortable saying that Trump is a FAR worse person than Clinton on pretty much all levels. Way dumber too. And I'm not a Clinton fan.

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I was just thinking this morning about how amazing it is that the fact that the POTUS is a serial cheater with porn star doesn't even really seem to be a part of the story, lol. It's a amazing how tolerant the right has become out that kind of thing in the past year and a half! At this rate, the GOP will be promoting open marriage and subsidies for the porn industry before Trump's term is up.

the outrage over a democrat cheating with an intern is really fucking funny now. 

I’m still upset about it. It was a #metoo moment before it was cool. A leader fucking his intern at the office....not cool. He should have been removed from office for that shit and lying.

And trump is way worse cause he seems to be fucking everyone over and lying every time he opens his mouth.  Can’t wait till he is gone.

You think a president should be removed from office for cheating? That would disqualify probably 95% of all presidents, lol.
BTW, the Lewinsky thing was not a #metoo moment at all. She never accused Clinton of sexual harassment or abuse. She was a willing participant. I'm not saying I think it was appropriate, just that that comparison is not valid, and the incident was not at all potentially impeachable - it was not a crime. It was only the lying afterwards that was. Again, I'm not defending Clinton, just pointing out the facts.
My point, and HFD's I think, was that the way the cheating behaviour by Trump is being roundly ignored... not even just by the GOP. It's generally being ignored by everyone.... In Clinton's case, it seemed to me that his actual sexual indiscretion was the main focus. But with Trump, his sexual indiscretions x 2+ and his 19 sexual assault accusations are getting the least focus. For that record to be basically ignored by just about everyone because there are so many other crimes and scandals and insanity to focus, you know it's fucking REALLY bad! And, of course, that the GOP is ridiculously hypocritical about the whole family values and the whole Bill Clinton thing, but we all know that already.

No because a leader had sex with an intern at work. And Monica even tweeted about perhaps an intern can’t really provide consent to their boss.  

Gern Blansten

Clinton was impeached for perjury.  Comparing tRump to Clinton makes no sense.

tRump's issue is fraud

PJ_Soul

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I was just thinking this morning about how amazing it is that the fact that the POTUS is a serial cheater with porn star doesn't even really seem to be a part of the story, lol. It's a amazing how tolerant the right has become out that kind of thing in the past year and a half! At this rate, the GOP will be promoting open marriage and subsidies for the porn industry before Trump's term is up.

the outrage over a democrat cheating with an intern is really fucking funny now. 

I’m still upset about it. It was a #metoo moment before it was cool. A leader fucking his intern at the office....not cool. He should have been removed from office for that shit and lying.

And trump is way worse cause he seems to be fucking everyone over and lying every time he opens his mouth.  Can’t wait till he is gone.

You think a president should be removed from office for cheating? That would disqualify probably 95% of all presidents, lol.
BTW, the Lewinsky thing was not a #metoo moment at all. She never accused Clinton of sexual harassment or abuse. She was a willing participant. I'm not saying I think it was appropriate, just that that comparison is not valid, and the incident was not at all potentially impeachable - it was not a crime. It was only the lying afterwards that was. Again, I'm not defending Clinton, just pointing out the facts.
My point, and HFD's I think, was that the way the cheating behaviour by Trump is being roundly ignored... not even just by the GOP. It's generally being ignored by everyone.... In Clinton's case, it seemed to me that his actual sexual indiscretion was the main focus. But with Trump, his sexual indiscretions x 2+ and his 19 sexual assault accusations are getting the least focus. For that record to be basically ignored by just about everyone because there are so many other crimes and scandals and insanity to focus, you know it's fucking REALLY bad! And, of course, that the GOP is ridiculously hypocritical about the whole family values and the whole Bill Clinton thing, but we all know that already.

No because a leader had sex with an intern at work. And Monica even tweeted about perhaps an intern can’t really provide consent to their boss.  

Ha. Yeah, after the fact. Don't you remember all the gritty details of how Lewinsky handled that whole thing? It was pure damage control for her and always will be. Well, that and attempting to be relevant. I mean, Twitter came along many years after it all happened. Anyway, it's all opinion - I've made mine clear, and I am absolutely an advocate against sexual harassment, as someone who has been the victim of it many times.
In any case... a leader having sex at work with a willing intern who never made any harassment allegations at the time isn't illegal or impeachable, and neither is being a serial cheater with porn stars.

cincybearcat

Gern Blansten said:

Clinton was impeached for perjury.  Comparing tRump to Clinton makes no sense.

tRump's issue is fraud

Trumps issue is he has a lot more  issues

cincybearcat

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

PJ_Soul said:

cincybearcat said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

I was just thinking this morning about how amazing it is that the fact that the POTUS is a serial cheater with porn star doesn't even really seem to be a part of the story, lol. It's a amazing how tolerant the right has become out that kind of thing in the past year and a half! At this rate, the GOP will be promoting open marriage and subsidies for the porn industry before Trump's term is up.

the outrage over a democrat cheating with an intern is really fucking funny now. 

I’m still upset about it. It was a #metoo moment before it was cool. A leader fucking his intern at the office....not cool. He should have been removed from office for that shit and lying.

And trump is way worse cause he seems to be fucking everyone over and lying every time he opens his mouth.  Can’t wait till he is gone.

You think a president should be removed from office for cheating? That would disqualify probably 95% of all presidents, lol.
BTW, the Lewinsky thing was not a #metoo moment at all. She never accused Clinton of sexual harassment or abuse. She was a willing participant. I'm not saying I think it was appropriate, just that that comparison is not valid, and the incident was not at all potentially impeachable - it was not a crime. It was only the lying afterwards that was. Again, I'm not defending Clinton, just pointing out the facts.
My point, and HFD's I think, was that the way the cheating behaviour by Trump is being roundly ignored... not even just by the GOP. It's generally being ignored by everyone.... In Clinton's case, it seemed to me that his actual sexual indiscretion was the main focus. But with Trump, his sexual indiscretions x 2+ and his 19 sexual assault accusations are getting the least focus. For that record to be basically ignored by just about everyone because there are so many other crimes and scandals and insanity to focus, you know it's fucking REALLY bad! And, of course, that the GOP is ridiculously hypocritical about the whole family values and the whole Bill Clinton thing, but we all know that already.

No because a leader had sex with an intern at work. And Monica even tweeted about perhaps an intern can’t really provide consent to their boss.  

Ha. Yeah, after the fact. Don't you remember all the gritty details of how Lewinsky handled that whole thing? It was pure damage control for her and always will be. Well, that and attempting to be relevant. I mean, Twitter came along many years after it all happened. Anyway, it's all opinion - I've made mine clear, and I am absolutely an advocate against sexual harassment, as someone who has been the victim of it many times.
In any case... a leader having sex at work with a willing intern who never made any harassment allegations at the time isn't illegal or impeachable, and neither is being a serial cheater with porn stars.

Yup all opinion. It’s not illegal but people lose their jobs all the time for things that aren’t illegal.