Not that we haven't been over this a ton of times, but it is public knowledge that the Clintons got so rich namely via speaking engagements and book deals. The rest just through plain old investments (probably very well-informed ones, obviously). Their personal finances have been gone through with a fine toothed comb and everything seems on the up and up. Their wealth is the opposite of a mystery.
So why post-election hasn't she given a $200k speech?
Why has the Clinton Foundation shut down?
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According to the Foundation's website, neither Bill Clinton nor his daughter, Chelsea Clinton (both are members of the governing board), draws any salary or receives any income from the Foundation. When Hillary Clinton was a board member she, too, received no income from the Foundation.[10]
In March 2015, Reuters reported that the Clinton Health Access Initiative had failed to publish all of its donors, and to let the State Department review all of its donations from foreign governments after it was spun out of the Clinton Foundation in 2010.[84] In April 2015, the New York Times reported that when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State, the State Department had approved a deal to sell American uranium to a Russian state-owned enterprise Uranium One whose chairman had donated to the Clinton Foundation, and that Clinton had failed to disclose such donations.[85] The State Department "was one of nine government agencies, not to mention independent federal and state nuclear regulators, that had to sign off on the deal."[86] FactCheck.org notes that there is "no evidence" that the donations influenced Clinton’s official actions or that she was involved in the State Department's decision to approve the deal,[87] and PolitiFact concluded that any "suggestion of a quid pro quo is unsubstantiated."[86]
Or Unsung's super duper extra secret government contacts provide him with information not available to us bootlicking statists?
Not that we haven't been over this a ton of times, but it is public knowledge that the Clintons got so rich namely via speaking engagements and book deals. The rest just through plain old investments (probably very well-informed ones, obviously). Their personal finances have been gone through with a fine toothed comb and everything seems on the up and up. Their wealth is the opposite of a mystery.
So why post-election hasn't she given a $200k speech?
Why has the Clinton Foundation shut down?
The Clinton Foundation has not shut down, and the last speech she did was 5 days ago and has several others already booked for April and beyond. Where in the fuck are you getting your information??
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I find it amusing that when the left stoops to the lower depths that the right generally practices, it's suddenly an outrage. Spare me the faux outrage. Lee Atwater and the politics of personal destruction is to blame. I've listened to eight years of personal attacks on Obama and Hillary, many of them delivered by Trump. Folks who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Shart he blows!
speaking as a lefty, but a lefty who can be objective about this: it's an outrage because the left seems to pride itself on being morally superior, so when they do that, they go against the very thing they profess to be.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
That isn't sexist or racist. They are just useless.
Snowflake in Chief
I feel like that was just more evidence of his mental problems. Talk about a weird little moment. I'd feel sorry for Pence if he wasn't such a shit-eating homophobe.
A friend of mine is a lawyer for the elderly. All the "idiosyncrasies" (for lack of better word) that Trump exhibits are the exact same signs his clients experience in the early stages of dementia.
Yup. I worked with someone who was going through this (he recently finally retired). A lot of the what I saw with my colleague are things I see with Trump. My colleague's ego/pride made it so he was in constant damage control mode as well as in denial, making excuses for his slip ups, his nonsensical emails, blaming mistakes and misunderstandings on other people, losing his temper, intolerance for things that should be fine, getting overly defensive, etc, etc. Very sad. Combine Trump's obvious mental decline with his innate extreme assholeism, all while in the White House, and it's a recipe for disaster.
my sister is like this. she doesn't have dementia. she's a narcissist.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
That isn't sexist or racist. They are just useless.
Snowflake in Chief
I feel like that was just more evidence of his mental problems. Talk about a weird little moment. I'd feel sorry for Pence if he wasn't such a shit-eating homophobe.
A friend of mine is a lawyer for the elderly. All the "idiosyncrasies" (for lack of better word) that Trump exhibits are the exact same signs his clients experience in the early stages of dementia.
Yup. I worked with someone who was going through this (he recently finally retired). A lot of the what I saw with my colleague are things I see with Trump. My colleague's ego/pride made it so he was in constant damage control mode as well as in denial, making excuses for his slip ups, his nonsensical emails, blaming mistakes and misunderstandings on other people, losing his temper, intolerance for things that should be fine, getting overly defensive, etc, etc. Very sad. Combine Trump's obvious mental decline with his innate extreme assholeism, all while in the White House, and it's a recipe for disaster.
my sister is like this. she doesn't have dementia. she's a narcissist.
She is nonsensical and incoherent? Big picture, Trump really does display dementia onset. He is also a raging narcissist, yes, and I can why some might confuse the two things, but I feel like his mental instability is obvious, and many, many experts have said the same, so.... I think he suffers from a profound personality disorder, yes. Much of his behaviour is about that. But I think he ALSO suffers from growing mental instability - the signs can be subtle, but having experienced them before, they are noticeable to me. Now if it's actually dementia or some other disorder, I do not know, and neither does anyone else, since he only submitted a phony account of his health before the election. (My sister is a narcissist too, btw. It's a bummer, eh?).
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
That isn't sexist or racist. They are just useless.
Snowflake in Chief
I feel like that was just more evidence of his mental problems. Talk about a weird little moment. I'd feel sorry for Pence if he wasn't such a shit-eating homophobe.
A friend of mine is a lawyer for the elderly. All the "idiosyncrasies" (for lack of better word) that Trump exhibits are the exact same signs his clients experience in the early stages of dementia.
Yup. I worked with someone who was going through this (he recently finally retired). A lot of the what I saw with my colleague are things I see with Trump. My colleague's ego/pride made it so he was in constant damage control mode as well as in denial, making excuses for his slip ups, his nonsensical emails, blaming mistakes and misunderstandings on other people, losing his temper, intolerance for things that should be fine, getting overly defensive, etc, etc. Very sad. Combine Trump's obvious mental decline with his innate extreme assholeism, all while in the White House, and it's a recipe for disaster.
my sister is like this. she doesn't have dementia. she's a narcissist.
She is nonsensical and incoherent? Big picture, Trump really does display dementia onset. He is also a raging narcissist, yes, and I can why some might confuse the two things, but I feel like his mental instability is obvious, and many, many experts have said the same, so.... I think he suffers from a profound personality disorder, yes. Much of his behaviour is about that. But I think he ALSO suffers from growing mental instability - the signs can be subtle, but having experienced them before, they are noticeable to me. Now if it's actually dementia or some other disorder, I do not know, and neither does anyone else, since he only submitted a phony account of his health before the election. (My sister is a narcissist too, btw. It's a bummer, eh?).
no, she is not nonsensical. I don't find him nonsensical. I think he thinks he can say anything and people will believe him, and he doesn't give a shit, or he even believes his own lies because his ego won't let him be wrong.
yes, many "experts" have claimed that, but none of them have examined him personally. big difference when just going off watching someone on tv.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
That isn't sexist or racist. They are just useless.
Snowflake in Chief
I feel like that was just more evidence of his mental problems. Talk about a weird little moment. I'd feel sorry for Pence if he wasn't such a shit-eating homophobe.
A friend of mine is a lawyer for the elderly. All the "idiosyncrasies" (for lack of better word) that Trump exhibits are the exact same signs his clients experience in the early stages of dementia.
Yup. I worked with someone who was going through this (he recently finally retired). A lot of the what I saw with my colleague are things I see with Trump. My colleague's ego/pride made it so he was in constant damage control mode as well as in denial, making excuses for his slip ups, his nonsensical emails, blaming mistakes and misunderstandings on other people, losing his temper, intolerance for things that should be fine, getting overly defensive, etc, etc. Very sad. Combine Trump's obvious mental decline with his innate extreme assholeism, all while in the White House, and it's a recipe for disaster.
my sister is like this. she doesn't have dementia. she's a narcissist.
She is nonsensical and incoherent? Big picture, Trump really does display dementia onset. He is also a raging narcissist, yes, and I can why some might confuse the two things, but I feel like his mental instability is obvious, and many, many experts have said the same, so.... I think he suffers from a profound personality disorder, yes. Much of his behaviour is about that. But I think he ALSO suffers from growing mental instability - the signs can be subtle, but having experienced them before, they are noticeable to me. Now if it's actually dementia or some other disorder, I do not know, and neither does anyone else, since he only submitted a phony account of his health before the election. (My sister is a narcissist too, btw. It's a bummer, eh?).
no, she is not nonsensical. I don't find him nonsensical. I think he thinks he can say anything and people will believe him, and he doesn't give a shit, or he even believes his own lies because his ego won't let him be wrong.
yes, many "experts" have claimed that, but none of them have examined him personally. big difference when just going off watching someone on tv.
Have you read the transcripts of his speeches?? Those seem pretty fucking nonsensical and incoherent to me. He can't even form a full sentence most of the time. I know that they haven't examined him, but with all the evidence put together, I think it's a pretty safe bet, and apparently the experts think so too (and no, not "experts". Just experts, lol - they understand the importance of examinations, but there is no reason to go all or none. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.... Honestly, a lot of the signs seem pretty undeniable. Are you saying that you think he is all there mentally??
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
That isn't sexist or racist. They are just useless.
Snowflake in Chief
I feel like that was just more evidence of his mental problems. Talk about a weird little moment. I'd feel sorry for Pence if he wasn't such a shit-eating homophobe.
A friend of mine is a lawyer for the elderly. All the "idiosyncrasies" (for lack of better word) that Trump exhibits are the exact same signs his clients experience in the early stages of dementia.
Yup. I worked with someone who was going through this (he recently finally retired). A lot of the what I saw with my colleague are things I see with Trump. My colleague's ego/pride made it so he was in constant damage control mode as well as in denial, making excuses for his slip ups, his nonsensical emails, blaming mistakes and misunderstandings on other people, losing his temper, intolerance for things that should be fine, getting overly defensive, etc, etc. Very sad. Combine Trump's obvious mental decline with his innate extreme assholeism, all while in the White House, and it's a recipe for disaster.
my sister is like this. she doesn't have dementia. she's a narcissist.
She is nonsensical and incoherent? Big picture, Trump really does display dementia onset. He is also a raging narcissist, yes, and I can why some might confuse the two things, but I feel like his mental instability is obvious, and many, many experts have said the same, so.... I think he suffers from a profound personality disorder, yes. Much of his behaviour is about that. But I think he ALSO suffers from growing mental instability - the signs can be subtle, but having experienced them before, they are noticeable to me. Now if it's actually dementia or some other disorder, I do not know, and neither does anyone else, since he only submitted a phony account of his health before the election. (My sister is a narcissist too, btw. It's a bummer, eh?).
no, she is not nonsensical. I don't find him nonsensical. I think he thinks he can say anything and people will believe him, and he doesn't give a shit, or he even believes his own lies because his ego won't let him be wrong.
yes, many "experts" have claimed that, but none of them have examined him personally. big difference when just going off watching someone on tv.
Have you read the transcripts of his speeches?? Those seem pretty fucking nonsensical and incoherent to me. He can't even form a full sentence most of the time. I know that they haven't examined him, but with all the evidence put together, I think it's a pretty safe bet, and apparently the experts think so too (and no, not "experts". Just experts, lol - they understand the importance of examinations, but there is no reason to go all or none. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.... Honestly, a lot of the signs seem pretty undeniable. Are you saying that you think he is all there mentally??
No, I haven't read the transcripts to his speeches. But watching his speeches, he's not a good public speaker. that's obvious. he speaks on the fly based on the reactions he gets from the crowd. Nothing about him is conventional, but I don't think you can jump from that to "out of his mind". I'm saying it's impossible to know by just watching a guy on a podium. diagnoses like that take many person-to-person conversations and tests. at this point, all they can do is speculate. and consider that many a leader that has not been liked has been smeared with the "mentally unstable" tag. Maybe these folks are non-partisan, maybe they aren't. who knows. I don't know anything about dementia and the signs of it. So I can't comment on that.
I put experts in quotations because I don't think many "experts" worth their salt would make a comment like that without doing actual in-person testing on the guy.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
That isn't sexist or racist. They are just useless.
Snowflake in Chief
I feel like that was just more evidence of his mental problems. Talk about a weird little moment. I'd feel sorry for Pence if he wasn't such a shit-eating homophobe.
A friend of mine is a lawyer for the elderly. All the "idiosyncrasies" (for lack of better word) that Trump exhibits are the exact same signs his clients experience in the early stages of dementia.
Yup. I worked with someone who was going through this (he recently finally retired). A lot of the what I saw with my colleague are things I see with Trump. My colleague's ego/pride made it so he was in constant damage control mode as well as in denial, making excuses for his slip ups, his nonsensical emails, blaming mistakes and misunderstandings on other people, losing his temper, intolerance for things that should be fine, getting overly defensive, etc, etc. Very sad. Combine Trump's obvious mental decline with his innate extreme assholeism, all while in the White House, and it's a recipe for disaster.
my sister is like this. she doesn't have dementia. she's a narcissist.
She is nonsensical and incoherent? Big picture, Trump really does display dementia onset. He is also a raging narcissist, yes, and I can why some might confuse the two things, but I feel like his mental instability is obvious, and many, many experts have said the same, so.... I think he suffers from a profound personality disorder, yes. Much of his behaviour is about that. But I think he ALSO suffers from growing mental instability - the signs can be subtle, but having experienced them before, they are noticeable to me. Now if it's actually dementia or some other disorder, I do not know, and neither does anyone else, since he only submitted a phony account of his health before the election. (My sister is a narcissist too, btw. It's a bummer, eh?).
no, she is not nonsensical. I don't find him nonsensical. I think he thinks he can say anything and people will believe him, and he doesn't give a shit, or he even believes his own lies because his ego won't let him be wrong.
yes, many "experts" have claimed that, but none of them have examined him personally. big difference when just going off watching someone on tv.
Have you read the transcripts of his speeches?? Those seem pretty fucking nonsensical and incoherent to me. He can't even form a full sentence most of the time. I know that they haven't examined him, but with all the evidence put together, I think it's a pretty safe bet, and apparently the experts think so too (and no, not "experts". Just experts, lol - they understand the importance of examinations, but there is no reason to go all or none. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.... Honestly, a lot of the signs seem pretty undeniable. Are you saying that you think he is all there mentally??
No, I haven't read the transcripts to his speeches. But watching his speeches, he's not a good public speaker. that's obvious. he speaks on the fly based on the reactions he gets from the crowd. Nothing about him is conventional, but I don't think you can jump from that to "out of his mind". I'm saying it's impossible to know by just watching a guy on a podium. diagnoses like that take many person-to-person conversations and tests. at this point, all they can do is speculate. and consider that many a leader that has not been liked has been smeared with the "mentally unstable" tag. Maybe these folks are non-partisan, maybe they aren't. who knows. I don't know anything about dementia and the signs of it. So I can't comment on that.
I put experts in quotations because I don't think many "experts" worth their salt would make a comment like that without doing actual in-person testing on the guy.
Any expert qualified to make a diagnosis should already be aware that making a diagnosis on a public figure based only on public statements and who you haven't personally examined contravenes accepted medical ethics; specifically, the so-called Goldwater Rule. There will always be someone who believes that their personal ethics demand that they speak up. Fine, speak up and raise your concerns. Just don't pretend you can make a diagnosis.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
She has such a wonderful laugh and someone thinks it's fit for youtube to gather all the times they could of her laughing...ten hours worth??? Yes, someone is kind of nuts and it sure isn't Hillary.
According to the Foundation's website, neither Bill Clinton nor his daughter, Chelsea Clinton (both are members of the governing board), draws any salary or receives any income from the Foundation. When Hillary Clinton was a board member she, too, received no income from the Foundation.[10]
In March 2015, Reuters reported that the Clinton Health Access Initiative had failed to publish all of its donors, and to let the State Department review all of its donations from foreign governments after it was spun out of the Clinton Foundation in 2010.[84] In April 2015, the New York Times reported that when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State, the State Department had approved a deal to sell American uranium to a Russian state-owned enterprise Uranium One whose chairman had donated to the Clinton Foundation, and that Clinton had failed to disclose such donations.[85] The State Department "was one of nine government agencies, not to mention independent federal and state nuclear regulators, that had to sign off on the deal."[86] FactCheck.org notes that there is "no evidence" that the donations influenced Clinton’s official actions or that she was involved in the State Department's decision to approve the deal,[87] and PolitiFact concluded that any "suggestion of a quid pro quo is unsubstantiated."[86]
Or Unsung's super duper extra secret government contacts provide him with information not available to us bootlicking statists?
Factcheck.org? LOL, what will you cite next, snopes?
Let's see big donation to Clinton Foundation from Russia gets big uranium deal. That is corruption.
That isn't sexist or racist. They are just useless.
Snowflake in Chief
I feel like that was just more evidence of his mental problems. Talk about a weird little moment. I'd feel sorry for Pence if he wasn't such a shit-eating homophobe.
A friend of mine is a lawyer for the elderly. All the "idiosyncrasies" (for lack of better word) that Trump exhibits are the exact same signs his clients experience in the early stages of dementia.
Yup. I worked with someone who was going through this (he recently finally retired). A lot of the what I saw with my colleague are things I see with Trump. My colleague's ego/pride made it so he was in constant damage control mode as well as in denial, making excuses for his slip ups, his nonsensical emails, blaming mistakes and misunderstandings on other people, losing his temper, intolerance for things that should be fine, getting overly defensive, etc, etc. Very sad. Combine Trump's obvious mental decline with his innate extreme assholeism, all while in the White House, and it's a recipe for disaster.
my sister is like this. she doesn't have dementia. she's a narcissist.
She is nonsensical and incoherent? Big picture, Trump really does display dementia onset. He is also a raging narcissist, yes, and I can why some might confuse the two things, but I feel like his mental instability is obvious, and many, many experts have said the same, so.... I think he suffers from a profound personality disorder, yes. Much of his behaviour is about that. But I think he ALSO suffers from growing mental instability - the signs can be subtle, but having experienced them before, they are noticeable to me. Now if it's actually dementia or some other disorder, I do not know, and neither does anyone else, since he only submitted a phony account of his health before the election. (My sister is a narcissist too, btw. It's a bummer, eh?).
no, she is not nonsensical. I don't find him nonsensical. I think he thinks he can say anything and people will believe him, and he doesn't give a shit, or he even believes his own lies because his ego won't let him be wrong.
yes, many "experts" have claimed that, but none of them have examined him personally. big difference when just going off watching someone on tv.
Have you read the transcripts of his speeches?? Those seem pretty fucking nonsensical and incoherent to me. He can't even form a full sentence most of the time. I know that they haven't examined him, but with all the evidence put together, I think it's a pretty safe bet, and apparently the experts think so too (and no, not "experts". Just experts, lol - they understand the importance of examinations, but there is no reason to go all or none. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.... Honestly, a lot of the signs seem pretty undeniable. Are you saying that you think he is all there mentally??
No, I haven't read the transcripts to his speeches. But watching his speeches, he's not a good public speaker. that's obvious. he speaks on the fly based on the reactions he gets from the crowd. Nothing about him is conventional, but I don't think you can jump from that to "out of his mind". I'm saying it's impossible to know by just watching a guy on a podium. diagnoses like that take many person-to-person conversations and tests. at this point, all they can do is speculate. and consider that many a leader that has not been liked has been smeared with the "mentally unstable" tag. Maybe these folks are non-partisan, maybe they aren't. who knows. I don't know anything about dementia and the signs of it. So I can't comment on that.
I put experts in quotations because I don't think many "experts" worth their salt would make a comment like that without doing actual in-person testing on the guy.
Any expert qualified to make a diagnosis should already be aware that making a diagnosis on a public figure based only on public statements and who you haven't personally examined contravenes accepted medical ethics; specifically, the so-called Goldwater Rule. There will always be someone who believes that their personal ethics demand that they speak up. Fine, speak up and raise your concerns. Just don't pretend you can make a diagnosis.
I haven't seen that anyone has done that. Everything I've seen has had the caveat that you're talking about attached. However, that doesn't mean there is something wrong in Trump's head. I firmly believe there is. I think the signs of the onset of dementia are pretty apparent. No, of course I don't know that for a fact. I just think the signs strongly indicate it (HFD, it's not just about what the guy does on the podium. I am talking about all things combined).
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
According to the Foundation's website, neither Bill Clinton nor his daughter, Chelsea Clinton (both are members of the governing board), draws any salary or receives any income from the Foundation. When Hillary Clinton was a board member she, too, received no income from the Foundation.[10]
In March 2015, Reuters reported that the Clinton Health Access Initiative had failed to publish all of its donors, and to let the State Department review all of its donations from foreign governments after it was spun out of the Clinton Foundation in 2010.[84] In April 2015, the New York Times reported that when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State, the State Department had approved a deal to sell American uranium to a Russian state-owned enterprise Uranium One whose chairman had donated to the Clinton Foundation, and that Clinton had failed to disclose such donations.[85] The State Department "was one of nine government agencies, not to mention independent federal and state nuclear regulators, that had to sign off on the deal."[86] FactCheck.org notes that there is "no evidence" that the donations influenced Clinton’s official actions or that she was involved in the State Department's decision to approve the deal,[87] and PolitiFact concluded that any "suggestion of a quid pro quo is unsubstantiated."[86]
Or Unsung's super duper extra secret government contacts provide him with information not available to us bootlicking statists?
Factcheck.org? LOL, what will you cite next, snopes?
Let's see big donation to Clinton Foundation from Russia gets big uranium deal. That is corruption.
Can you dispute the bolded part with reputable links? Or just attack the source. Hillary Clinton has been the most investigated and scrutinized political appointee, elected official and candidate in modern political history and she's never been to jail. Why is that?
That isn't sexist or racist. They are just useless.
Snowflake in Chief
I feel like that was just more evidence of his mental problems. Talk about a weird little moment. I'd feel sorry for Pence if he wasn't such a shit-eating homophobe.
A friend of mine is a lawyer for the elderly. All the "idiosyncrasies" (for lack of better word) that Trump exhibits are the exact same signs his clients experience in the early stages of dementia.
Yup. I worked with someone who was going through this (he recently finally retired). A lot of the what I saw with my colleague are things I see with Trump. My colleague's ego/pride made it so he was in constant damage control mode as well as in denial, making excuses for his slip ups, his nonsensical emails, blaming mistakes and misunderstandings on other people, losing his temper, intolerance for things that should be fine, getting overly defensive, etc, etc. Very sad. Combine Trump's obvious mental decline with his innate extreme assholeism, all while in the White House, and it's a recipe for disaster.
my sister is like this. she doesn't have dementia. she's a narcissist.
She is nonsensical and incoherent? Big picture, Trump really does display dementia onset. He is also a raging narcissist, yes, and I can why some might confuse the two things, but I feel like his mental instability is obvious, and many, many experts have said the same, so.... I think he suffers from a profound personality disorder, yes. Much of his behaviour is about that. But I think he ALSO suffers from growing mental instability - the signs can be subtle, but having experienced them before, they are noticeable to me. Now if it's actually dementia or some other disorder, I do not know, and neither does anyone else, since he only submitted a phony account of his health before the election. (My sister is a narcissist too, btw. It's a bummer, eh?).
no, she is not nonsensical. I don't find him nonsensical. I think he thinks he can say anything and people will believe him, and he doesn't give a shit, or he even believes his own lies because his ego won't let him be wrong.
yes, many "experts" have claimed that, but none of them have examined him personally. big difference when just going off watching someone on tv.
Have you read the transcripts of his speeches?? Those seem pretty fucking nonsensical and incoherent to me. He can't even form a full sentence most of the time. I know that they haven't examined him, but with all the evidence put together, I think it's a pretty safe bet, and apparently the experts think so too (and no, not "experts". Just experts, lol - they understand the importance of examinations, but there is no reason to go all or none. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.... Honestly, a lot of the signs seem pretty undeniable. Are you saying that you think he is all there mentally??
No, I haven't read the transcripts to his speeches. But watching his speeches, he's not a good public speaker. that's obvious. he speaks on the fly based on the reactions he gets from the crowd. Nothing about him is conventional, but I don't think you can jump from that to "out of his mind". I'm saying it's impossible to know by just watching a guy on a podium. diagnoses like that take many person-to-person conversations and tests. at this point, all they can do is speculate. and consider that many a leader that has not been liked has been smeared with the "mentally unstable" tag. Maybe these folks are non-partisan, maybe they aren't. who knows. I don't know anything about dementia and the signs of it. So I can't comment on that.
I put experts in quotations because I don't think many "experts" worth their salt would make a comment like that without doing actual in-person testing on the guy.
Any expert qualified to make a diagnosis should already be aware that making a diagnosis on a public figure based only on public statements and who you haven't personally examined contravenes accepted medical ethics; specifically, the so-called Goldwater Rule. There will always be someone who believes that their personal ethics demand that they speak up. Fine, speak up and raise your concerns. Just don't pretend you can make a diagnosis.
I haven't seen that anyone has done that. Everything I've seen has had the caveat that you're talking about attached. However, that doesn't mean there is something wrong in Trump's head. I firmly believe there is. I think the signs of the onset of dementia are pretty apparent. No, of course I don't know that for a fact. I just think the signs strongly indicate it (HFD, it's not just about what the guy does on the podium. I am talking about all things combined).
I know, I just used that as an example. the point is, none of these folks have examined him personally.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Typically, when other news organizations cite facts from a third party, you can believe the information to have been vetted and factual. But you're free to believe your conspiracy theories.
That isn't sexist or racist. They are just useless.
Snowflake in Chief
I feel like that was just more evidence of his mental problems. Talk about a weird little moment. I'd feel sorry for Pence if he wasn't such a shit-eating homophobe.
A friend of mine is a lawyer for the elderly. All the "idiosyncrasies" (for lack of better word) that Trump exhibits are the exact same signs his clients experience in the early stages of dementia.
Yup. I worked with someone who was going through this (he recently finally retired). A lot of the what I saw with my colleague are things I see with Trump. My colleague's ego/pride made it so he was in constant damage control mode as well as in denial, making excuses for his slip ups, his nonsensical emails, blaming mistakes and misunderstandings on other people, losing his temper, intolerance for things that should be fine, getting overly defensive, etc, etc. Very sad. Combine Trump's obvious mental decline with his innate extreme assholeism, all while in the White House, and it's a recipe for disaster.
my sister is like this. she doesn't have dementia. she's a narcissist.
She is nonsensical and incoherent? Big picture, Trump really does display dementia onset. He is also a raging narcissist, yes, and I can why some might confuse the two things, but I feel like his mental instability is obvious, and many, many experts have said the same, so.... I think he suffers from a profound personality disorder, yes. Much of his behaviour is about that. But I think he ALSO suffers from growing mental instability - the signs can be subtle, but having experienced them before, they are noticeable to me. Now if it's actually dementia or some other disorder, I do not know, and neither does anyone else, since he only submitted a phony account of his health before the election. (My sister is a narcissist too, btw. It's a bummer, eh?).
no, she is not nonsensical. I don't find him nonsensical. I think he thinks he can say anything and people will believe him, and he doesn't give a shit, or he even believes his own lies because his ego won't let him be wrong.
yes, many "experts" have claimed that, but none of them have examined him personally. big difference when just going off watching someone on tv.
Have you read the transcripts of his speeches?? Those seem pretty fucking nonsensical and incoherent to me. He can't even form a full sentence most of the time. I know that they haven't examined him, but with all the evidence put together, I think it's a pretty safe bet, and apparently the experts think so too (and no, not "experts". Just experts, lol - they understand the importance of examinations, but there is no reason to go all or none. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.... Honestly, a lot of the signs seem pretty undeniable. Are you saying that you think he is all there mentally??
No, I haven't read the transcripts to his speeches. But watching his speeches, he's not a good public speaker. that's obvious. he speaks on the fly based on the reactions he gets from the crowd. Nothing about him is conventional, but I don't think you can jump from that to "out of his mind". I'm saying it's impossible to know by just watching a guy on a podium. diagnoses like that take many person-to-person conversations and tests. at this point, all they can do is speculate. and consider that many a leader that has not been liked has been smeared with the "mentally unstable" tag. Maybe these folks are non-partisan, maybe they aren't. who knows. I don't know anything about dementia and the signs of it. So I can't comment on that.
I put experts in quotations because I don't think many "experts" worth their salt would make a comment like that without doing actual in-person testing on the guy.
Any expert qualified to make a diagnosis should already be aware that making a diagnosis on a public figure based only on public statements and who you haven't personally examined contravenes accepted medical ethics; specifically, the so-called Goldwater Rule. There will always be someone who believes that their personal ethics demand that they speak up. Fine, speak up and raise your concerns. Just don't pretend you can make a diagnosis.
I haven't seen that anyone has done that. Everything I've seen has had the caveat that you're talking about attached. However, that doesn't mean there is something wrong in Trump's head. I firmly believe there is. I think the signs of the onset of dementia are pretty apparent. No, of course I don't know that for a fact. I just think the signs strongly indicate it (HFD, it's not just about what the guy does on the podium. I am talking about all things combined).
I know, I just used that as an example. the point is, none of these folks have examined him personally.
Of course not - Trump wouldn't let any qualified doctors examine him and vouch for his letter. That why he found a quack who released a letter that was obviously a load of crap.
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Whether the donations played any role in the approval of the uranium deal is unknown. But the episode underscores the special ethical challenges presented by the Clinton Foundation, headed by a former president who relied heavily on foreign cash to accumulate $250 million in assets even as his wife helped steer American foreign policy as secretary of state, presiding over decisions with the potential to benefit the foundation’s donors.
In a statement, Brian Fallon, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign, said no one “has ever produced a shred of evidence supporting the theory that Hillary Clinton ever took action as secretary of state to support the interests of donors to the Clinton Foundation.” He emphasized that multiple United States agencies, as well as the Canadian government, had signed off on the deal and that, in general, such matters were handled at a level below the secretary. “To suggest the State Department, under then-Secretary Clinton, exerted undue influence in the U.S. government’s review of the sale of Uranium One is utterly baseless,” he added.
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The national security issue at stake in the Uranium One deal was not primarily about nuclear weapons proliferation; the United States and Russia had for years cooperated on that front, with Russia sending enriched fuel from decommissioned warheads to be used in American nuclear power plants in return for raw uranium.
A person with knowledge of the Clinton Foundation’s fund-raising operation, who requested anonymity to speak candidly about it, said that for many people, the hope is that money will in fact buy influence: “Why do you think they are doing it — because they love them?” But whether it actually does is another question. And in this case, there were broader geopolitical pressures that likely came into play as the United States considered whether to approve the Rosatom-Uranium One deal.
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Why has the Clinton Foundation shut down?
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According to the Foundation's website, neither Bill Clinton nor his daughter, Chelsea Clinton (both are members of the governing board), draws any salary or receives any income from the Foundation. When Hillary Clinton was a board member she, too, received no income from the Foundation.[10]
In March 2015, Reuters reported that the Clinton Health Access Initiative had failed to publish all of its donors, and to let the State Department review all of its donations from foreign governments after it was spun out of the Clinton Foundation in 2010.[84] In April 2015, the New York Times reported that when Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State, the State Department had approved a deal to sell American uranium to a Russian state-owned enterprise Uranium One whose chairman had donated to the Clinton Foundation, and that Clinton had failed to disclose such donations.[85] The State Department "was one of nine government agencies, not to mention independent federal and state nuclear regulators, that had to sign off on the deal."[86] FactCheck.org notes that there is "no evidence" that the donations influenced Clinton’s official actions or that she was involved in the State Department's decision to approve the deal,[87] and PolitiFact concluded that any "suggestion of a quid pro quo is unsubstantiated."[86]
Or Unsung's super duper extra secret government contacts provide him with information not available to us bootlicking statists?
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(My sister is a narcissist too, btw. It's a bummer, eh?).
yes, many "experts" have claimed that, but none of them have examined him personally. big difference when just going off watching someone on tv.
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I know that they haven't examined him, but with all the evidence put together, I think it's a pretty safe bet, and apparently the experts think so too (and no, not "experts". Just experts, lol - they understand the importance of examinations, but there is no reason to go all or none. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck.... Honestly, a lot of the signs seem pretty undeniable. Are you saying that you think he is all there mentally??
I put experts in quotations because I don't think many "experts" worth their salt would make a comment like that without doing actual in-person testing on the guy.
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Let's see big donation to Clinton Foundation from Russia gets big uranium deal. That is corruption.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?referer=https://duckduckgo.com/
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http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/16/trump-claims--falsely--that-clinton-gave-russia-20-of-us-uranium.html
Typically, when other news organizations cite facts from a third party, you can believe the information to have been vetted and factual. But you're free to believe your conspiracy theories.
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The New York Times’s examination of the Uranium One deal is based on dozens of interviews, as well as a review of public records and securities filings in Canada, Russia and the United States. Some of the connections between Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation were unearthed by Peter Schweizer, a former fellow at the right-leaning Hoover Institution and author of the forthcoming book “Clinton Cash.” Mr. Schweizer provided a preview of material in the book to The Times, which scrutinized his information and built upon it with its own reporting.
Whether the donations played any role in the approval of the uranium deal is unknown. But the episode underscores the special ethical challenges presented by the Clinton Foundation, headed by a former president who relied heavily on foreign cash to accumulate $250 million in assets even as his wife helped steer American foreign policy as secretary of state, presiding over decisions with the potential to benefit the foundation’s donors.
In a statement, Brian Fallon, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign, said no one “has ever produced a shred of evidence supporting the theory that Hillary Clinton ever took action as secretary of state to support the interests of donors to the Clinton Foundation.” He emphasized that multiple United States agencies, as well as the Canadian government, had signed off on the deal and that, in general, such matters were handled at a level below the secretary. “To suggest the State Department, under then-Secretary Clinton, exerted undue influence in the U.S. government’s review of the sale of Uranium One is utterly baseless,” he added.
Such is the power of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States. The committee comprises some of the most powerful members of the cabinet, including the attorney general, the secretaries of the Treasury, Defense, Homeland Security, Commerce and Energy, and the secretary of state. They are charged with reviewing any deal that could result in foreign control of an American business or asset deemed important to national security.
The national security issue at stake in the Uranium One deal was not primarily about nuclear weapons proliferation; the United States and Russia had for years cooperated on that front, with Russia sending enriched fuel from decommissioned warheads to be used in American nuclear power plants in return for raw uranium.
A person with knowledge of the Clinton Foundation’s fund-raising operation, who requested anonymity to speak candidly about it, said that for many people, the hope is that money will in fact buy influence: “Why do you think they are doing it — because they love them?” But whether it actually does is another question. And in this case, there were broader geopolitical pressures that likely came into play as the United States considered whether to approve the Rosatom-Uranium One deal.
From 2015. Old news. Is Hillary in jail yet?
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