Did Brendan O'Brien destroy Pearl Jam's Analog Master tapes?

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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,423
    darthvedder said:

    Tim Simmons said:

    Yeah, but a digital recording can sound fantastic on vinyl if mastered right.

    I think people get too hung up on the source used for the vinyl. It comes down to the mastering. Granted the source can matter, but the vaults are a perfect example. They are probably sourced from DATs or a digital recording, but they are cut and pressed well and sound fantastic.

    I think people get too hung up on thinking vinyl is superior to digital. Digital, like vinyl, comes down to the mastering.
    I think the other hang up is that people believe the band has always advocated audiophilia in regards to vinyl, when I don't think that's ever been the case. I have always thought their love was mainly driven by nostalgia, especially since they blew up at the same time CDs exploded and forced vinyl away. I dont recall them ever making the case based on sonic quality or purity.
  • KV4053
    KV4053 Mike's side, crushed up against the stage Posts: 1,514
    Tim Simmons said:

    darthvedder said:

    Tim Simmons said:

    Yeah, but a digital recording can sound fantastic on vinyl if mastered right.

    I think people get too hung up on the source used for the vinyl. It comes down to the mastering. Granted the source can matter, but the vaults are a perfect example. They are probably sourced from DATs or a digital recording, but they are cut and pressed well and sound fantastic.

    I think people get too hung up on thinking vinyl is superior to digital. Digital, like vinyl, comes down to the mastering.
    I think the other hang up is that people believe the band has always advocated audiophilia in regards to vinyl, when I don't think that's ever been the case. I have always thought their love was mainly driven by nostalgia, especially since they blew up at the same time CDs exploded and forced vinyl away. I dont recall them ever making the case based on sonic quality or purity.
    .... But for those songs about vinyl
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  • trees
    trees Columbus OHIO Posts: 2,086
    Can you tell the difference with head phones on Binural?


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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,710
    KV4053 said:

    Tim Simmons said:

    darthvedder said:

    Tim Simmons said:

    Yeah, but a digital recording can sound fantastic on vinyl if mastered right.

    I think people get too hung up on the source used for the vinyl. It comes down to the mastering. Granted the source can matter, but the vaults are a perfect example. They are probably sourced from DATs or a digital recording, but they are cut and pressed well and sound fantastic.

    I think people get too hung up on thinking vinyl is superior to digital. Digital, like vinyl, comes down to the mastering.
    I think the other hang up is that people believe the band has always advocated audiophilia in regards to vinyl, when I don't think that's ever been the case. I have always thought their love was mainly driven by nostalgia, especially since they blew up at the same time CDs exploded and forced vinyl away. I dont recall them ever making the case based on sonic quality or purity.
    .... But for those songs about vinyl
    Aren't those also more about the "feeling" of vinyl and looking at the big artwork in your childhood room?
    Tim Simmons said:

    darthvedder said:

    Tim Simmons said:

    Yeah, but a digital recording can sound fantastic on vinyl if mastered right.

    I think people get too hung up on the source used for the vinyl. It comes down to the mastering. Granted the source can matter, but the vaults are a perfect example. They are probably sourced from DATs or a digital recording, but they are cut and pressed well and sound fantastic.

    I think people get too hung up on thinking vinyl is superior to digital. Digital, like vinyl, comes down to the mastering.
    I think the other hang up is that people believe the band has always advocated audiophilia in regards to vinyl, when I don't think that's ever been the case. I have always thought their love was mainly driven by nostalgia, especially since they blew up at the same time CDs exploded and forced vinyl away. I dont recall them ever making the case based on sonic quality or purity.
    "Wanted a LP
    Only had CD:s
    So digitally clean
    it was a piece of crap"

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  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,461
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    buck502000 said:

    Binaural sound pretty damn good on my rig. Glad BoB didn't get his grubby mitts on that one ;)

    pretty sure he mixed it
    Yep! Doh!
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  • JV130312
    JV130312 STATE OF LOVE & TRUST Posts: 2,540
    Pono...lol.

    Is that still a thing?
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  • buck502000
    buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    2-feign-reluctance said:

    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    buck502000 said:

    Binaural sound pretty damn good on my rig. Glad BoB didn't get his grubby mitts on that one ;)

    pretty sure he mixed it
    Yep! Doh!
    He mixed it, but they used a different producer.
  • joseph33
    joseph33 Washington DC Posts: 1,342
    JV130312 said:

    Pono...lol.

    Is that still a thing?</blockquot
    I think it started out with a good idea,but never caught on. Price I think was a factor.

  • Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh Posts: 1,180
    buck502000 said:

    2-feign-reluctance said:

    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh said:

    buck502000 said:

    Binaural sound pretty damn good on my rig. Glad BoB didn't get his grubby mitts on that one ;)

    pretty sure he mixed it
    Yep! Doh!
    He mixed it, but they used a different producer.
    True but Brendan did the mixing and probably the mastering as well, though there is no mention of mastering in the booklet. The producer is pretty much just hitting record and steering them in certain directions in terms of the songs.
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  • buck502000
    buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    I wonder if we (the fans) should suggest someone else to mix PJ's albums?
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,710
    buck502000 said:

    I wonder if we (the fans) should suggest someone else to mix PJ's albums?

    Trent Reznor.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    buck502000 said:

    I wonder if we (the fans) should suggest someone else to mix PJ's albums?

    Steven Wilson
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 10,423
    Eh, it's PJs decision. People in their org read the boards, they know how we feel, ultimately it's their business in how they want to present their art.

    But if we are just fan casting, I've been a big advocate of Chris Woodhouse.
  • Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh Posts: 1,180
    buck502000 said:

    I wonder if we (the fans) should suggest someone else to mix PJ's albums?

    Josh Homme
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  • buck502000
    buck502000 Birthplace of GIBSON guitar Posts: 8,951
    Jim O'Rourke
  • MedozK
    MedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    I would pay $1000 for a box set complete with all studio albums remixed by Steven Wilson and pressed at QRP.
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    bootlegger10 said:

    I am very lucky I am not picky with hearing the last 2% of the sound I am supposedly missing.

    I'm with you there!
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  • Thierry Henry
    Thierry Henry Posts: 2,657
    Think Binaural sounds fantastic on vinyl.
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  • darthvedder
    darthvedder Posts: 2,691
    Prophets of Rage posted a video on social media recently where they showed the band working with BOB on new music. I laughed when they showed the band circled around a microphone doing hand claps.
  • Thierry Henry
    Thierry Henry Posts: 2,657
    Josh Homme or Jack White would be interesting.
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