** THE IMPENDING IMPEACHMENT OR RESIGNATION OF DONALD J TRUMP **

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 21,554
    2018
    So can someone shed some light on this , what can congress do to the criminals from this administration that have refused to comply with subpoena ? 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,320
    2019
    So can someone shed some light on this , what can congress do to the criminals from this administration that have refused to comply with subpoena ? 
    Fight them in court to force them to testify. That is literally what is happening right now. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,877
    So can someone shed some light on this , what can congress do to the criminals from this administration that have refused to comply with subpoena ? 
    Fight them in court to force them to testify. That is literally what is happening right now. 
    Judges don’t typically take kindly to contempt of congress and can threaten and impose jail time. Unless it’s a Team Trump Treason wholly unqualified appointed judge.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 21,554
    2018
    So can someone shed some light on this , what can congress do to the criminals from this administration that have refused to comply with subpoena ? 
    Fight them in court to force them to testify. That is literally what is happening right now. 
    Ok , I just don’t have any confidence in the system of checks & balances anymore..

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,355
    2018
    as i said a while ago in some thread i can't recall, trump is proving that the checks and balances are nothing more than hugh hefner without viagra: the intention is there, but it's simply too limp to be effective. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,320
    2019
    So can someone shed some light on this , what can congress do to the criminals from this administration that have refused to comply with subpoena ? 
    Fight them in court to force them to testify. That is literally what is happening right now. 
    Ok , I just don’t have any confidence in the system of checks & balances anymore..

    Just takes time unfortunately 
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  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,603
    2017
    An interesting article from NBC News where Pelosi is still dancing around impeachment, but Nadler says they're already in-effect working the impeachment investigation.
    Pelosi: I'm not slow-walking impeachment inquiry. Nadler: It's 'in effect' anyway
    But soon after Pelosi spoke, Nadler said Friday that his committee has “in effect” already been conducting an impeachment inquiry of Trump.

    Flanked by Judiciary Committee members who’ve voiced support for an impeachment inquiry, Nadler was asked by NBC News to clarify whether the Judiciary Committee has already initiated such an inquiry.

    “Whether you call that an inquiry, or whatever you want to call that, that’s what we’ve been doing,” Nadler said, later adding that they have already been conducting one “in effect.”

    “I think too much has been made of the phrase 'impeachment inquiry,'” he said.

    Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., a constitutional law expert who has voiced support for such an inquiry, also said an effort of some kind was essentially underway. “A lot of people believe that we have been in an impeachment inquiry ..." he said. "I would say we are in an impeachment investigation.”

    Nadler announced during the press conference that he would be going to court later in the day to ask for the grand jury information within the 448-page Mueller report, which he said will help determine whether they decide to impeach Trump. In the filing, the committee planned to say that “articles of impeachment are under consideration as part of the Committee’s investigation, although no final determination has been made.”

    “Because Department of Justice policies will not allow prosecution of a sitting president, the United States House of Representatives is the only institution of the federal government that can now hold President Trump accountable for these actions,” Nadler said, reading directly from the petition he was filing in court. “To do so, the House must have access to all of the relevant facts and consider whether to exercise its full Article I powers including a constitutional power of the utmost gravity — recommendation of the articles of impeachment.”

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,877
    jeffbr said:
    An interesting article from NBC News where Pelosi is still dancing around impeachment, but Nadler says they're already in-effect working the impeachment investigation.
    Pelosi: I'm not slow-walking impeachment inquiry. Nadler: It's 'in effect' anyway
    But soon after Pelosi spoke, Nadler said Friday that his committee has “in effect” already been conducting an impeachment inquiry of Trump.

    Flanked by Judiciary Committee members who’ve voiced support for an impeachment inquiry, Nadler was asked by NBC News to clarify whether the Judiciary Committee has already initiated such an inquiry.

    “Whether you call that an inquiry, or whatever you want to call that, that’s what we’ve been doing,” Nadler said, later adding that they have already been conducting one “in effect.”

    “I think too much has been made of the phrase 'impeachment inquiry,'” he said.

    Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., a constitutional law expert who has voiced support for such an inquiry, also said an effort of some kind was essentially underway. “A lot of people believe that we have been in an impeachment inquiry ..." he said. "I would say we are in an impeachment investigation.”

    Nadler announced during the press conference that he would be going to court later in the day to ask for the grand jury information within the 448-page Mueller report, which he said will help determine whether they decide to impeach Trump. In the filing, the committee planned to say that “articles of impeachment are under consideration as part of the Committee’s investigation, although no final determination has been made.”

    “Because Department of Justice policies will not allow prosecution of a sitting president, the United States House of Representatives is the only institution of the federal government that can now hold President Trump accountable for these actions,” Nadler said, reading directly from the petition he was filing in court. “To do so, the House must have access to all of the relevant facts and consider whether to exercise its full Article I powers including a constitutional power of the utmost gravity — recommendation of the articles of impeachment.”

    Nadler was interviewed on Anderson Cooper last night and he came off as logical, seeking additional information to provide the American people and wants witness testimony before the committee, particularly from McGahn, as well as access to Team Trump Treason’s tax returns. He strikes me as serious, fair, methodical, grave and not someone who would bring articles of impeachment if there’s no there, there. He knows more than he’s letting on but believes in the process, and the importance of the process. Nancy needs that diligence to bring it to the floor for a vote. Facts and evidence matter. The rush to judgement is the gravest of mistakes. Let the chips fall where they may as the truth will set you free. Particularly, if:

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    Follow the money from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,320
    2019
    jeffbr said:
    An interesting article from NBC News where Pelosi is still dancing around impeachment, but Nadler says they're already in-effect working the impeachment investigation.
    Pelosi: I'm not slow-walking impeachment inquiry. Nadler: It's 'in effect' anyway
    But soon after Pelosi spoke, Nadler said Friday that his committee has “in effect” already been conducting an impeachment inquiry of Trump.

    Flanked by Judiciary Committee members who’ve voiced support for an impeachment inquiry, Nadler was asked by NBC News to clarify whether the Judiciary Committee has already initiated such an inquiry.

    “Whether you call that an inquiry, or whatever you want to call that, that’s what we’ve been doing,” Nadler said, later adding that they have already been conducting one “in effect.”

    “I think too much has been made of the phrase 'impeachment inquiry,'” he said.

    Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., a constitutional law expert who has voiced support for such an inquiry, also said an effort of some kind was essentially underway. “A lot of people believe that we have been in an impeachment inquiry ..." he said. "I would say we are in an impeachment investigation.”

    Nadler announced during the press conference that he would be going to court later in the day to ask for the grand jury information within the 448-page Mueller report, which he said will help determine whether they decide to impeach Trump. In the filing, the committee planned to say that “articles of impeachment are under consideration as part of the Committee’s investigation, although no final determination has been made.”

    “Because Department of Justice policies will not allow prosecution of a sitting president, the United States House of Representatives is the only institution of the federal government that can now hold President Trump accountable for these actions,” Nadler said, reading directly from the petition he was filing in court. “To do so, the House must have access to all of the relevant facts and consider whether to exercise its full Article I powers including a constitutional power of the utmost gravity — recommendation of the articles of impeachment.”

    Saw this. Great news.

    Anyone know how the 6 week recess plays into things though?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,877
    jeffbr said:
    An interesting article from NBC News where Pelosi is still dancing around impeachment, but Nadler says they're already in-effect working the impeachment investigation.
    Pelosi: I'm not slow-walking impeachment inquiry. Nadler: It's 'in effect' anyway
    But soon after Pelosi spoke, Nadler said Friday that his committee has “in effect” already been conducting an impeachment inquiry of Trump.

    Flanked by Judiciary Committee members who’ve voiced support for an impeachment inquiry, Nadler was asked by NBC News to clarify whether the Judiciary Committee has already initiated such an inquiry.

    “Whether you call that an inquiry, or whatever you want to call that, that’s what we’ve been doing,” Nadler said, later adding that they have already been conducting one “in effect.”

    “I think too much has been made of the phrase 'impeachment inquiry,'” he said.

    Rep. Jamie Raskin, D-Md., a constitutional law expert who has voiced support for such an inquiry, also said an effort of some kind was essentially underway. “A lot of people believe that we have been in an impeachment inquiry ..." he said. "I would say we are in an impeachment investigation.”

    Nadler announced during the press conference that he would be going to court later in the day to ask for the grand jury information within the 448-page Mueller report, which he said will help determine whether they decide to impeach Trump. In the filing, the committee planned to say that “articles of impeachment are under consideration as part of the Committee’s investigation, although no final determination has been made.”

    “Because Department of Justice policies will not allow prosecution of a sitting president, the United States House of Representatives is the only institution of the federal government that can now hold President Trump accountable for these actions,” Nadler said, reading directly from the petition he was filing in court. “To do so, the House must have access to all of the relevant facts and consider whether to exercise its full Article I powers including a constitutional power of the utmost gravity — recommendation of the articles of impeachment.”

    Saw this. Great news.

    Anyone know how the 6 week recess plays into things though?
    Staff will be working on the investigation, preparing for hearings when they return, creating witness lists, etc.
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,334
    Almost half of house Democrats now support impeaching the president.
  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,603
    2017

    We are finally on the path to Trump impeachment and saving what our Founders gave us

    Don’t let anybody fool you: We are engaged in an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump’s “high crimes and misdemeanors,” to quote the Constitution. The inquiry began on Friday, July 26. No fireworks, no fanfare — omitted for fear of frightening the natives. But the message was loud and clear in the House Judiciary Committee’s court petition for access to redacted material in the Mueller report, and its intention to compel testimony from relevant witnesses.

    Articles of impeachment have been formally referred to the Judiciary Committee for its consideration, House counsel Douglas Letter said in the Friday filing to U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. That consideration, the committee has now informed the court, is underway, as is consideration of whether to recommend its own articles of impeachment.


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    "THE FIELD"
    Impending? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,877
    jeffbr said:

    We are finally on the path to Trump impeachment and saving what our Founders gave us

    Don’t let anybody fool you: We are engaged in an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump’s “high crimes and misdemeanors,” to quote the Constitution. The inquiry began on Friday, July 26. No fireworks, no fanfare — omitted for fear of frightening the natives. But the message was loud and clear in the House Judiciary Committee’s court petition for access to redacted material in the Mueller report, and its intention to compel testimony from relevant witnesses.

    Articles of impeachment have been formally referred to the Judiciary Committee for its consideration, House counsel Douglas Letter said in the Friday filing to U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. That consideration, the committee has now informed the court, is underway, as is consideration of whether to recommend its own articles of impeachment.


    Oh? You don’t say?

    buh buh buh it’s taken too long and CYA Barr already fully exonerated Team Trump Treason in four pages. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,320
    2019
    jeffbr said:

    We are finally on the path to Trump impeachment and saving what our Founders gave us

    Don’t let anybody fool you: We are engaged in an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump’s “high crimes and misdemeanors,” to quote the Constitution. The inquiry began on Friday, July 26. No fireworks, no fanfare — omitted for fear of frightening the natives. But the message was loud and clear in the House Judiciary Committee’s court petition for access to redacted material in the Mueller report, and its intention to compel testimony from relevant witnesses.

    Articles of impeachment have been formally referred to the Judiciary Committee for its consideration, House counsel Douglas Letter said in the Friday filing to U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. That consideration, the committee has now informed the court, is underway, as is consideration of whether to recommend its own articles of impeachment.


    Just saw an interview with Nadler talking about this. 

    Only a matter of time at this point...
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  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,603
    2017
    jeffbr said:

    We are finally on the path to Trump impeachment and saving what our Founders gave us

    Don’t let anybody fool you: We are engaged in an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump’s “high crimes and misdemeanors,” to quote the Constitution. The inquiry began on Friday, July 26. No fireworks, no fanfare — omitted for fear of frightening the natives. But the message was loud and clear in the House Judiciary Committee’s court petition for access to redacted material in the Mueller report, and its intention to compel testimony from relevant witnesses.

    Articles of impeachment have been formally referred to the Judiciary Committee for its consideration, House counsel Douglas Letter said in the Friday filing to U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. That consideration, the committee has now informed the court, is underway, as is consideration of whether to recommend its own articles of impeachment.


    Just saw an interview with Nadler talking about this. 

    Only a matter of time at this point...
    Agreed. This is the strongest indication yet that they are formally considering impeachment rather than just talking about it. The fact that they notified the court is great news. The impeachment inquiry is underway.
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,367
    I still think impeachment, politically speaking, isn't in the best interest of the Dems. We know he won't be convicted in the Senate. And I personally don't think it would hurt him in the 2020 election because I think the undecided voters will look at it as just more bureaucratic attempts to get rid of him (Mueller report -> Mueller testimony -> Impeachment). I know a lot of you guys are of the belief "So what if he's not convicted? He should be impeached so impeach him." Hey, have it your way. It'll certainly be an entertaining shit show. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,320
    2019
    jeffbr said:
    jeffbr said:

    We are finally on the path to Trump impeachment and saving what our Founders gave us

    Don’t let anybody fool you: We are engaged in an impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump’s “high crimes and misdemeanors,” to quote the Constitution. The inquiry began on Friday, July 26. No fireworks, no fanfare — omitted for fear of frightening the natives. But the message was loud and clear in the House Judiciary Committee’s court petition for access to redacted material in the Mueller report, and its intention to compel testimony from relevant witnesses.

    Articles of impeachment have been formally referred to the Judiciary Committee for its consideration, House counsel Douglas Letter said in the Friday filing to U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. That consideration, the committee has now informed the court, is underway, as is consideration of whether to recommend its own articles of impeachment.


    Just saw an interview with Nadler talking about this. 

    Only a matter of time at this point...
    Agreed. This is the strongest indication yet that they are formally considering impeachment rather than just talking about it. The fact that they notified the court is great news. The impeachment inquiry is underway.
    Yeah it is going to happen. I think it makes sense for them to do everything they can to put their best foot forward when the hearings get underway. Just sucks that it takes longer for that to happen.......however, the length of time could also work in their favor if the economy starts to sputter in more noticeable ways to the general public as this is the only area where he gets good marks on the approval surveys. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,320
    2019
    New impeachment tv ad. I like it and I want to see more and more and more of this 

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD-Y2YxQzo0&feature=youtu.be
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,320
    2019
    ^
    Annnnnd why don't youtube vides imbed anymore?
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    ^
    Annnnnd why don't youtube vides imbed anymore?
    When you're on YouTube, click the "share" button and post that link here. It'll post. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,355
    2018
    I still think impeachment, politically speaking, isn't in the best interest of the Dems. We know he won't be convicted in the Senate. And I personally don't think it would hurt him in the 2020 election because I think the undecided voters will look at it as just more bureaucratic attempts to get rid of him (Mueller report -> Mueller testimony -> Impeachment). I know a lot of you guys are of the belief "So what if he's not convicted? He should be impeached so impeach him." Hey, have it your way. It'll certainly be an entertaining shit show. 
    if anything, impeachment will cripple his admin's ability to get anything done on a big scale. although, it might just lead to another bullshit war. 
  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,603
    2017
    I still think impeachment, politically speaking, isn't in the best interest of the Dems. We know he won't be convicted in the Senate. And I personally don't think it would hurt him in the 2020 election because I think the undecided voters will look at it as just more bureaucratic attempts to get rid of him (Mueller report -> Mueller testimony -> Impeachment). I know a lot of you guys are of the belief "So what if he's not convicted? He should be impeached so impeach him." Hey, have it your way. It'll certainly be an entertaining shit show. 
    I understand that the Senate would acquit him, but that is how things have historically happened. Only 2 previous presidents have been impeached by the House - Andrew Jackson & Bill Clinton. In both cases, they were acquitted by the Senate. Nixon's impeachment was still in the investigation stage when he resigned. I would be fine with whatever the outcome is (Senate acquittal as expected, resignation prior to vote, or a miraculous Senate conviction and removal). But I want all of the congresscritters on record. In the face of overwhelming evidence of misconduct those who vote against are complicit and that vote should be used against them in any future campaigns. 
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,367
    jeffbr said:
    I still think impeachment, politically speaking, isn't in the best interest of the Dems. We know he won't be convicted in the Senate. And I personally don't think it would hurt him in the 2020 election because I think the undecided voters will look at it as just more bureaucratic attempts to get rid of him (Mueller report -> Mueller testimony -> Impeachment). I know a lot of you guys are of the belief "So what if he's not convicted? He should be impeached so impeach him." Hey, have it your way. It'll certainly be an entertaining shit show. 
    I understand that the Senate would acquit him, but that is how things have historically happened. Only 2 previous presidents have been impeached by the House - Andrew Jackson & Bill Clinton. In both cases, they were acquitted by the Senate. Nixon's impeachment was still in the investigation stage when he resigned. I would be fine with whatever the outcome is (Senate acquittal as expected, resignation prior to vote, or a miraculous Senate conviction and removal). But I want all of the congresscritters on record. In the face of overwhelming evidence of misconduct those who vote against are complicit and that vote should be used against them in any future campaigns. 
    Seems like a lot of people share that opinion. Fair enough. To each their own. 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 34,320
    edited July 30
    2019
    jeffbr said:
    I still think impeachment, politically speaking, isn't in the best interest of the Dems. We know he won't be convicted in the Senate. And I personally don't think it would hurt him in the 2020 election because I think the undecided voters will look at it as just more bureaucratic attempts to get rid of him (Mueller report -> Mueller testimony -> Impeachment). I know a lot of you guys are of the belief "So what if he's not convicted? He should be impeached so impeach him." Hey, have it your way. It'll certainly be an entertaining shit show. 
    I understand that the Senate would acquit him, but that is how things have historically happened. Only 2 previous presidents have been impeached by the House - Andrew Jackson & Bill Clinton. In both cases, they were acquitted by the Senate. Nixon's impeachment was still in the investigation stage when he resigned. I would be fine with whatever the outcome is (Senate acquittal as expected, resignation prior to vote, or a miraculous Senate conviction and removal). But I want all of the congresscritters on record. In the face of overwhelming evidence of misconduct those who vote against are complicit and that vote should be used against them in any future campaigns. 
    It would not only be a permanent stain on Trump's record but on every republican who votes to acquit. I agree with you. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 21,554
    2018
    jeffbr said:
    I still think impeachment, politically speaking, isn't in the best interest of the Dems. We know he won't be convicted in the Senate. And I personally don't think it would hurt him in the 2020 election because I think the undecided voters will look at it as just more bureaucratic attempts to get rid of him (Mueller report -> Mueller testimony -> Impeachment). I know a lot of you guys are of the belief "So what if he's not convicted? He should be impeached so impeach him." Hey, have it your way. It'll certainly be an entertaining shit show. 
    I understand that the Senate would acquit him, but that is how things have historically happened. Only 2 previous presidents have been impeached by the House - Andrew Jackson & Bill Clinton. In both cases, they were acquitted by the Senate. Nixon's impeachment was still in the investigation stage when he resigned. I would be fine with whatever the outcome is (Senate acquittal as expected, resignation prior to vote, or a miraculous Senate conviction and removal). But I want all of the congresscritters on record. In the face of overwhelming evidence of misconduct those who vote against are complicit and that vote should be used against them in any future campaigns. 
    Seems like a lot of people share that opinion. Fair enough. To each their own. 
    To let him get away with everything is no way to uphold any future presidents in check , I’d rather Democrats go for it than play nice nice with the Baffoon ..
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 11,367
    jeffbr said:
    I still think impeachment, politically speaking, isn't in the best interest of the Dems. We know he won't be convicted in the Senate. And I personally don't think it would hurt him in the 2020 election because I think the undecided voters will look at it as just more bureaucratic attempts to get rid of him (Mueller report -> Mueller testimony -> Impeachment). I know a lot of you guys are of the belief "So what if he's not convicted? He should be impeached so impeach him." Hey, have it your way. It'll certainly be an entertaining shit show. 
    I understand that the Senate would acquit him, but that is how things have historically happened. Only 2 previous presidents have been impeached by the House - Andrew Jackson & Bill Clinton. In both cases, they were acquitted by the Senate. Nixon's impeachment was still in the investigation stage when he resigned. I would be fine with whatever the outcome is (Senate acquittal as expected, resignation prior to vote, or a miraculous Senate conviction and removal). But I want all of the congresscritters on record. In the face of overwhelming evidence of misconduct those who vote against are complicit and that vote should be used against them in any future campaigns. 
    Seems like a lot of people share that opinion. Fair enough. To each their own. 
    To let him get away with everything is no way to uphold any future presidents in check , I’d rather Democrats go for it than play nice nice with the Baffoon ..
    They wouldn't be playing "nice nice" by not impeaching him. If they don't impeach him, they're doing it under the belief (that I share) that he'll be acquitted in the Senate trial and undecided voters might gravitate to him in 2020 because of it. You seem to share jeffbr's belief, which as I said, is fair enough. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 21,554
    2018
    jeffbr said:
    I still think impeachment, politically speaking, isn't in the best interest of the Dems. We know he won't be convicted in the Senate. And I personally don't think it would hurt him in the 2020 election because I think the undecided voters will look at it as just more bureaucratic attempts to get rid of him (Mueller report -> Mueller testimony -> Impeachment). I know a lot of you guys are of the belief "So what if he's not convicted? He should be impeached so impeach him." Hey, have it your way. It'll certainly be an entertaining shit show. 
    I understand that the Senate would acquit him, but that is how things have historically happened. Only 2 previous presidents have been impeached by the House - Andrew Jackson & Bill Clinton. In both cases, they were acquitted by the Senate. Nixon's impeachment was still in the investigation stage when he resigned. I would be fine with whatever the outcome is (Senate acquittal as expected, resignation prior to vote, or a miraculous Senate conviction and removal). But I want all of the congresscritters on record. In the face of overwhelming evidence of misconduct those who vote against are complicit and that vote should be used against them in any future campaigns. 
    Seems like a lot of people share that opinion. Fair enough. To each their own. 
    To let him get away with everything is no way to uphold any future presidents in check , I’d rather Democrats go for it than play nice nice with the Baffoon ..
    They wouldn't be playing "nice nice" by not impeaching him. If they don't impeach him, they're doing it under the belief (that I share) that he'll be acquitted in the Senate trial and undecided voters might gravitate to him in 2020 because of it. You seem to share jeffbr's belief, which as I said, is fair enough. 
    That’s a given that Moscow McConnell would never ever bring it up for Impeachment !
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 18,355
    2018
    jeffbr said:
    I still think impeachment, politically speaking, isn't in the best interest of the Dems. We know he won't be convicted in the Senate. And I personally don't think it would hurt him in the 2020 election because I think the undecided voters will look at it as just more bureaucratic attempts to get rid of him (Mueller report -> Mueller testimony -> Impeachment). I know a lot of you guys are of the belief "So what if he's not convicted? He should be impeached so impeach him." Hey, have it your way. It'll certainly be an entertaining shit show. 
    I understand that the Senate would acquit him, but that is how things have historically happened. Only 2 previous presidents have been impeached by the House - Andrew Jackson & Bill Clinton. In both cases, they were acquitted by the Senate. Nixon's impeachment was still in the investigation stage when he resigned. I would be fine with whatever the outcome is (Senate acquittal as expected, resignation prior to vote, or a miraculous Senate conviction and removal). But I want all of the congresscritters on record. In the face of overwhelming evidence of misconduct those who vote against are complicit and that vote should be used against them in any future campaigns. 
    It would not only be a permanent stain on Trump's record but on every republican who votes to acquit. I agree with you. 
    but would it really? he'd manage to turn it into some badge of honour that he was once again able to thwart and defeat the angry democrats at every turn. 
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