** THE IMPENDING IMPEACHMENT OR RESIGNATION OF DONALD J TRUMP **

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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 7,650
    benjs said:
    benjs said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Justin Amash is an American hero. 
    I don’t love that we’d even consider someone being honest and standing up for the rule of law.  But when a Republican challenges Trump, it’s at least a big story.  Sad!
    Bet he looked at his state, had a meeting with his people and decided that "I am not at risk back home for going against the president" and did it.

    I don't think he sat at home, drinking a glass of rosé and just got some feeling to be spontaneous. 

    If he was at risk - would he have done it?
    I don’t care what motivates a person to do something. If you know something needs to be done, and someone else feels it should be done but for different reasons, why should that matter? That’s called real life - motivating people to coming around to the right way of thinking by putting it in terms of “what’s in it for me”. 
    ok
    If you disagree I’m all ears :)
    I'd say without context it's a meaningless blanket statement.

    Benji: I want to kiss you, because I love you so much.
    Person: I want to kiss you too, because the voices in my head force me to kiss people that disgust me.

    Different motivations. I think you would care in that context.
    Okay, that’s fair enough - I threw the blanket way too far to claim it’s universally applicable. Within this finite context though, do you see the motives of Republicans changing any time soon? As well, do you agree that the country needs results? My problem is that I don’t see certain cohorts’ motives changing, yet I see the results I think we’re both after as necessary. So how do we reconcile those two facts to reach progress? The best answer I can come up with is to sell the change we need based on a motive we don’t necessarily agree with. 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 13,263
    edited May 29
    benjs said:
    benjs said:
    benjs said:
    OnWis97 said:
    Justin Amash is an American hero. 
    I don’t love that we’d even consider someone being honest and standing up for the rule of law.  But when a Republican challenges Trump, it’s at least a big story.  Sad!
    Bet he looked at his state, had a meeting with his people and decided that "I am not at risk back home for going against the president" and did it.

    I don't think he sat at home, drinking a glass of rosé and just got some feeling to be spontaneous. 

    If he was at risk - would he have done it?
    I don’t care what motivates a person to do something. If you know something needs to be done, and someone else feels it should be done but for different reasons, why should that matter? That’s called real life - motivating people to coming around to the right way of thinking by putting it in terms of “what’s in it for me”. 
    ok
    If you disagree I’m all ears :)
    I'd say without context it's a meaningless blanket statement.

    Benji: I want to kiss you, because I love you so much.
    Person: I want to kiss you too, because the voices in my head force me to kiss people that disgust me.

    Different motivations. I think you would care in that context.
    Okay, that’s fair enough - I threw the blanket way too far to claim it’s universally applicable. Within this finite context though, do you see the motives of Republicans changing any time soon? As well, do you agree that the country needs results? My problem is that I don’t see certain cohorts’ motives changing, yet I see the results I think we’re both after as necessary. So how do we reconcile those two facts to reach progress? The best answer I can come up with is to sell the change we need based on a motive we don’t necessarily agree with. 
    And I never said it was bad that he wants Trump impeached, or bad that he wants it without being noble as Jesus Chris. 

    I just answered the post I quoted trying to give some perspective and add another dimension to the discussion.

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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,871
    edited May 30
    2019
    Trump carried Amash’s district by over 9% in ‘16. I find it hard to believe Amash is doing this to help him politically. He might be looking at a Libertarian presidential bid next year. But the numbers don’t indicate this will help him get re elected...especially considering how vindictive Trump is. He and the RNC will probably put a lot of money into primarying him next year. That is what they did with Mark Sanford last year. 

    He also has not voted with Trump as often as he’s expected to


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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 21,179
    2018
    So if Pelosi doesn’t start impeachment investigation and just lets this go she’s banking on winning the Senate & WH in 2020 or if she does she believes Republicans win it all back and Democracy is dead ..
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,871
    2019
    Do you really think she’s just not ever going to do it?

    its going to happen. And it’s going to happen this year. 

    #2019
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 21,179
    2018
    Do you really think she’s just not ever going to do it?

    its going to happen. And it’s going to happen this year. 

    #2019
    I hope she does it needs to happen my ? Is do you think it’s worth it ? Would you be willing to give him another term ? And impeach? 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,871
    2019
    Do you really think she’s just not ever going to do it?

    its going to happen. And it’s going to happen this year. 

    #2019
    I hope she does it needs to happen my ? Is do you think it’s worth it ? Would you be willing to give him another term ? And impeach? 
    People keep automatically thinking it will help Trump like it did with Clinton. I’m not so sure. Clinton was a much more popular president and most people agreed his impeachment was over stuff not nearly as serious as the things Trump is accused of. 

    He’s not getting another term. 
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 13,263
    I would say looking back at history to determine What to do about Trump is pretty dumb. 

    As good as looking to the stars for the right strategy. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,173
    The response from my Congressperson after emailing them post Mueller news conference:

    Thank you for writing to express your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on this important issue.

    As you know, Donald Trump, as both a candidate and a president, has been mired in controversy. The nation and the world have witnessed the growing evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, the mishandling of important security information, and substantial evidence of obstruction of justice.  Moreover, the Trump administration has refused to comply with multiple requests for information, appearances, and even defied subpoenas from multiple congressional committees.

    Because of the Administration’s wholesale obstruction of valid congressional oversight, combined with the widespread evidence of misdeeds that require further investigation laid out in the Mueller Report, at this time, I believe it is appropriate to open an impeachment inquiry.  Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution states, “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.” 

    Impeachment consists of two separate proceedings, the first of which begins in the House of Representatives.  First, the House must open an inquiry to determine whether there is enough evidence to begin an impeachment proceeding. If the Judiciary Committee determines it is appropriate and supported by the evidence, we would vote on articles of impeachment, to formally approve allegations of wrongdoing amounting to high crimes and misdemeanors. If approved by a simple majority of the House, the articles of impeachment are then forwarded to the Senate where the second proceeding takes place: an impeachment trial. If the Senate, by vote of a two-thirds majority, convicts the official of the alleged offenses, the result is removal from office of those still in office, and, at the Senate's discretion, disqualification from holding future office. 

    I do not take impeachment or the potential removal of our President from office lightly.  Starting this process would be a sobering step for our country and must only be taken upon a grave breach in conduct such that it is incompatible with the laws of our nation or proper performance of the duties of office.  I believe that President Trump’s wholesale violation of law and order, by refusing to comply with any congressional oversight, amounts to obstruction of justice. He has left us with no choice but to begin an impeachment inquiry.  The Speaker of the House, together with other members of House Leadership will ultimately decide our path forward. I have joined many of my House colleagues in arguing for the beginning of an impeachment inquiry and we are having healthy discussions as a Caucus on the best strategy.

    Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  If I may be of assistance to you again in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.  In the meantime, please visit www.house.gov for up-to-date information.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,215
    2018
    Which member of Congress was that from Halifax?
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Which member of Congress was that from Halifax?
    Devin Nunes.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,215
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    PJ_Soul said:
    Which member of Congress was that from Halifax?
    Devin Nunes.
    Oh wow, okay. That definitely puts that letter into better context!
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  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 10,922
    The response from my Congressperson after emailing them post Mueller news conference:

    Thank you for writing to express your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on this important issue.

    As you know, Donald Trump, as both a candidate and a president, has been mired in controversy. The nation and the world have witnessed the growing evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, the mishandling of important security information, and substantial evidence of obstruction of justice.  Moreover, the Trump administration has refused to comply with multiple requests for information, appearances, and even defied subpoenas from multiple congressional committees.

    Because of the Administration’s wholesale obstruction of valid congressional oversight, combined with the widespread evidence of misdeeds that require further investigation laid out in the Mueller Report, at this time, I believe it is appropriate to open an impeachment inquiry.  Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution states, “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.” 

    Impeachment consists of two separate proceedings, the first of which begins in the House of Representatives.  First, the House must open an inquiry to determine whether there is enough evidence to begin an impeachment proceeding. If the Judiciary Committee determines it is appropriate and supported by the evidence, we would vote on articles of impeachment, to formally approve allegations of wrongdoing amounting to high crimes and misdemeanors. If approved by a simple majority of the House, the articles of impeachment are then forwarded to the Senate where the second proceeding takes place: an impeachment trial. If the Senate, by vote of a two-thirds majority, convicts the official of the alleged offenses, the result is removal from office of those still in office, and, at the Senate's discretion, disqualification from holding future office. 

    I do not take impeachment or the potential removal of our President from office lightly.  Starting this process would be a sobering step for our country and must only be taken upon a grave breach in conduct such that it is incompatible with the laws of our nation or proper performance of the duties of office.  I believe that President Trump’s wholesale violation of law and order, by refusing to comply with any congressional oversight, amounts to obstruction of justice. He has left us with no choice but to begin an impeachment inquiry.  The Speaker of the House, together with other members of House Leadership will ultimately decide our path forward. I have joined many of my House colleagues in arguing for the beginning of an impeachment inquiry and we are having healthy discussions as a Caucus on the best strategy.

    Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  If I may be of assistance to you again in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.  In the meantime, please visit www.house.gov for up-to-date information.

    My best always

    Member of Congress

    Interesting response from a Republican. I wonder if any of his colleagues in the Senate feel the same way. I bet some do. But would they actually vote to convict in an impeachment trial? 

    You should post the email you sent him as well.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 1,723
    edited May 30
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    The response from my Congressperson after emailing them post Mueller news conference:

    Thank you for writing to express your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on this important issue.

    As you know, Donald Trump, as both a candidate and a president, has been mired in controversy. The nation and the world have witnessed the growing evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, the mishandling of important security information, and substantial evidence of obstruction of justice.  Moreover, the Trump administration has refused to comply with multiple requests for information, appearances, and even defied subpoenas from multiple congressional committees.

    Because of the Administration’s wholesale obstruction of valid congressional oversight, combined with the widespread evidence of misdeeds that require further investigation laid out in the Mueller Report, at this time, I believe it is appropriate to open an impeachment inquiry.  Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution states, “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.” 

    Impeachment consists of two separate proceedings, the first of which begins in the House of Representatives.  First, the House must open an inquiry to determine whether there is enough evidence to begin an impeachment proceeding. If the Judiciary Committee determines it is appropriate and supported by the evidence, we would vote on articles of impeachment, to formally approve allegations of wrongdoing amounting to high crimes and misdemeanors. If approved by a simple majority of the House, the articles of impeachment are then forwarded to the Senate where the second proceeding takes place: an impeachment trial. If the Senate, by vote of a two-thirds majority, convicts the official of the alleged offenses, the result is removal from office of those still in office, and, at the Senate's discretion, disqualification from holding future office. 

    I do not take impeachment or the potential removal of our President from office lightly.  Starting this process would be a sobering step for our country and must only be taken upon a grave breach in conduct such that it is incompatible with the laws of our nation or proper performance of the duties of office.  I believe that President Trump’s wholesale violation of law and order, by refusing to comply with any congressional oversight, amounts to obstruction of justice. He has left us with no choice but to begin an impeachment inquiry.  The Speaker of the House, together with other members of House Leadership will ultimately decide our path forward. I have joined many of my House colleagues in arguing for the beginning of an impeachment inquiry and we are having healthy discussions as a Caucus on the best strategy.

    Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  If I may be of assistance to you again in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.  In the meantime, please visit www.house.gov for up-to-date information.

    My best always

    Member of Congress

    Interesting response from a Republican. I wonder if any of his colleagues in the Senate feel the same way. I bet some do. But would they actually vote to convict in an impeachment trial? 

    You should post the email you sent him as well.
    At this point, the only way a GOP senator would vote this way is if he/she was putting country and rule of law ahead of his/her own own seat.  I doubt there's a state, outside of Utah, perhaps, in which going against Trump would not get you primaried.  Trump is still immensely popular among Republicans. If that somehow changed?  Then you'd probably get some GOP legislators to turn on him.  But I don't think we've ever seen this level of devotion.  I don't see enough Republicans turning.

    (Also, my gut reaction to Halifax is that it's not Devin Nunes and he was actually trying to see our reaction...but maybe I was wrong).
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 33,871
    2019
    Haha
    That was Bizarro Devin Nunes
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,173
    OnWis97 said:
    The response from my Congressperson after emailing them post Mueller news conference:

    Thank you for writing to express your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on this important issue.

    As you know, Donald Trump, as both a candidate and a president, has been mired in controversy. The nation and the world have witnessed the growing evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, the mishandling of important security information, and substantial evidence of obstruction of justice.  Moreover, the Trump administration has refused to comply with multiple requests for information, appearances, and even defied subpoenas from multiple congressional committees.

    Because of the Administration’s wholesale obstruction of valid congressional oversight, combined with the widespread evidence of misdeeds that require further investigation laid out in the Mueller Report, at this time, I believe it is appropriate to open an impeachment inquiry.  Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution states, “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.” 

    Impeachment consists of two separate proceedings, the first of which begins in the House of Representatives.  First, the House must open an inquiry to determine whether there is enough evidence to begin an impeachment proceeding. If the Judiciary Committee determines it is appropriate and supported by the evidence, we would vote on articles of impeachment, to formally approve allegations of wrongdoing amounting to high crimes and misdemeanors. If approved by a simple majority of the House, the articles of impeachment are then forwarded to the Senate where the second proceeding takes place: an impeachment trial. If the Senate, by vote of a two-thirds majority, convicts the official of the alleged offenses, the result is removal from office of those still in office, and, at the Senate's discretion, disqualification from holding future office. 

    I do not take impeachment or the potential removal of our President from office lightly.  Starting this process would be a sobering step for our country and must only be taken upon a grave breach in conduct such that it is incompatible with the laws of our nation or proper performance of the duties of office.  I believe that President Trump’s wholesale violation of law and order, by refusing to comply with any congressional oversight, amounts to obstruction of justice. He has left us with no choice but to begin an impeachment inquiry.  The Speaker of the House, together with other members of House Leadership will ultimately decide our path forward. I have joined many of my House colleagues in arguing for the beginning of an impeachment inquiry and we are having healthy discussions as a Caucus on the best strategy.

    Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  If I may be of assistance to you again in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.  In the meantime, please visit www.house.gov for up-to-date information.

    My best always

    Member of Congress

    Interesting response from a Republican. I wonder if any of his colleagues in the Senate feel the same way. I bet some do. But would they actually vote to convict in an impeachment trial? 

    You should post the email you sent him as well.
    At this point, the only way a GOP senator would vote this way is if he/she was putting country and rule of law ahead of his/her own own seat.  I doubt there's a state, outside of Utah, perhaps, in which going against Trump would not get you primaried.  Trump is still immensely popular among Republicans. If that somehow changed?  Then you'd probably get some GOP legislators to turn on him.  But I don't think we've ever seen this level of devotion.  I don't see enough Republicans turning.

    (Also, my gut reaction to Halifax is that it's not Devin Nunes and he was actually trying to see our reaction...but maybe I was wrong).
    I was being facetious, least I reveal my location and the forum hordes arrive at my bulkhead, dragging me out of my mother's basement as I cling to my keyboard with my Cheeto encrusted fingers. But as it stands today, 48 dems and 1 repub have publicly called for impeachment hearings to begin. And I'm proud to be represented by a Congressperson who stands up for the Constitution.

    More on all of this later as I'm still reading the Team Mueller Report and I'm slammed at work, plus I have a new part time job as a taster for Doritos.

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 9,991
    OnWis97 said:
    The response from my Congressperson after emailing them post Mueller news conference:

    Thank you for writing to express your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on this important issue.

    As you know, Donald Trump, as both a candidate and a president, has been mired in controversy. The nation and the world have witnessed the growing evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, the mishandling of important security information, and substantial evidence of obstruction of justice.  Moreover, the Trump administration has refused to comply with multiple requests for information, appearances, and even defied subpoenas from multiple congressional committees.

    Because of the Administration’s wholesale obstruction of valid congressional oversight, combined with the widespread evidence of misdeeds that require further investigation laid out in the Mueller Report, at this time, I believe it is appropriate to open an impeachment inquiry.  Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution states, “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.” 

    Impeachment consists of two separate proceedings, the first of which begins in the House of Representatives.  First, the House must open an inquiry to determine whether there is enough evidence to begin an impeachment proceeding. If the Judiciary Committee determines it is appropriate and supported by the evidence, we would vote on articles of impeachment, to formally approve allegations of wrongdoing amounting to high crimes and misdemeanors. If approved by a simple majority of the House, the articles of impeachment are then forwarded to the Senate where the second proceeding takes place: an impeachment trial. If the Senate, by vote of a two-thirds majority, convicts the official of the alleged offenses, the result is removal from office of those still in office, and, at the Senate's discretion, disqualification from holding future office. 

    I do not take impeachment or the potential removal of our President from office lightly.  Starting this process would be a sobering step for our country and must only be taken upon a grave breach in conduct such that it is incompatible with the laws of our nation or proper performance of the duties of office.  I believe that President Trump’s wholesale violation of law and order, by refusing to comply with any congressional oversight, amounts to obstruction of justice. He has left us with no choice but to begin an impeachment inquiry.  The Speaker of the House, together with other members of House Leadership will ultimately decide our path forward. I have joined many of my House colleagues in arguing for the beginning of an impeachment inquiry and we are having healthy discussions as a Caucus on the best strategy.

    Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  If I may be of assistance to you again in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.  In the meantime, please visit www.house.gov for up-to-date information.

    My best always

    Member of Congress

    Interesting response from a Republican. I wonder if any of his colleagues in the Senate feel the same way. I bet some do. But would they actually vote to convict in an impeachment trial? 

    You should post the email you sent him as well.
    At this point, the only way a GOP senator would vote this way is if he/she was putting country and rule of law ahead of his/her own own seat.  I doubt there's a state, outside of Utah, perhaps, in which going against Trump would not get you primaried.  Trump is still immensely popular among Republicans. If that somehow changed?  Then you'd probably get some GOP legislators to turn on him.  But I don't think we've ever seen this level of devotion.  I don't see enough Republicans turning.

    (Also, my gut reaction to Halifax is that it's not Devin Nunes and he was actually trying to see our reaction...but maybe I was wrong).


    More on all of this later as I'm still reading the Team Mueller Report and I'm slammed at work, plus I have a new part time job as a taster for Doritos.




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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,215
    edited May 30
    2018

    OnWis97 said:
    The response from my Congressperson after emailing them post Mueller news conference:

    Thank you for writing to express your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on this important issue.

    As you know, Donald Trump, as both a candidate and a president, has been mired in controversy. The nation and the world have witnessed the growing evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, the mishandling of important security information, and substantial evidence of obstruction of justice.  Moreover, the Trump administration has refused to comply with multiple requests for information, appearances, and even defied subpoenas from multiple congressional committees.

    Because of the Administration’s wholesale obstruction of valid congressional oversight, combined with the widespread evidence of misdeeds that require further investigation laid out in the Mueller Report, at this time, I believe it is appropriate to open an impeachment inquiry.  Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution states, “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.” 

    Impeachment consists of two separate proceedings, the first of which begins in the House of Representatives.  First, the House must open an inquiry to determine whether there is enough evidence to begin an impeachment proceeding. If the Judiciary Committee determines it is appropriate and supported by the evidence, we would vote on articles of impeachment, to formally approve allegations of wrongdoing amounting to high crimes and misdemeanors. If approved by a simple majority of the House, the articles of impeachment are then forwarded to the Senate where the second proceeding takes place: an impeachment trial. If the Senate, by vote of a two-thirds majority, convicts the official of the alleged offenses, the result is removal from office of those still in office, and, at the Senate's discretion, disqualification from holding future office. 

    I do not take impeachment or the potential removal of our President from office lightly.  Starting this process would be a sobering step for our country and must only be taken upon a grave breach in conduct such that it is incompatible with the laws of our nation or proper performance of the duties of office.  I believe that President Trump’s wholesale violation of law and order, by refusing to comply with any congressional oversight, amounts to obstruction of justice. He has left us with no choice but to begin an impeachment inquiry.  The Speaker of the House, together with other members of House Leadership will ultimately decide our path forward. I have joined many of my House colleagues in arguing for the beginning of an impeachment inquiry and we are having healthy discussions as a Caucus on the best strategy.

    Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  If I may be of assistance to you again in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.  In the meantime, please visit www.house.gov for up-to-date information.

    My best always

    Member of Congress

    Interesting response from a Republican. I wonder if any of his colleagues in the Senate feel the same way. I bet some do. But would they actually vote to convict in an impeachment trial? 

    You should post the email you sent him as well.
    At this point, the only way a GOP senator would vote this way is if he/she was putting country and rule of law ahead of his/her own own seat.  I doubt there's a state, outside of Utah, perhaps, in which going against Trump would not get you primaried.  Trump is still immensely popular among Republicans. If that somehow changed?  Then you'd probably get some GOP legislators to turn on him.  But I don't think we've ever seen this level of devotion.  I don't see enough Republicans turning.

    (Also, my gut reaction to Halifax is that it's not Devin Nunes and he was actually trying to see our reaction...but maybe I was wrong).
    I was being facetious, least I reveal my location and the forum hordes arrive at my bulkhead, dragging me out of my mother's basement as I cling to my keyboard with my Cheeto encrusted fingers. But as it stands today, 48 dems and 1 repub have publicly called for impeachment hearings to begin. And I'm proud to be represented by a Congressperson who stands up for the Constitution.

    More on all of this later as I'm still reading the Team Mueller Report and I'm slammed at work, plus I have a new part time job as a taster for Doritos.

    “There was no collusion.”

    “I don’t know any Russians.”

    “I have nothing to hide.”

    “I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”

    “We do everything by the book.”

    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    “Very legal, very cool.”

    “Fully exonerated.”

    “Essentially no collusion.”

     Follow the damn money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.


    :neutral: I can't say I appreciate the lie. I tend to assume you all aren't going to lie when I ask a question, so I believed you, which is why I wowed at your answer. So thanks for making me waste my time considering the meaning of Nunes taking that position.
    So who in the hell was the actual member of Congress? Why would you want to hide where you live? Now I'm doubting that entire letter. Is it even real??
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,197
    PJ_Soul said:
    Which member of Congress was that from Halifax?
    Devin Nunes.
    ;)
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,215
    2018
    dignin said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Which member of Congress was that from Halifax?
    Devin Nunes.
    ;)

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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,197
    PJ_Soul said:
    dignin said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Which member of Congress was that from Halifax?
    Devin Nunes.
    ;)

    Sorry, I thought it was a good joke.

    Nunes would be one of the last people in congress to write that letter.

    Maybe OP could have used a wink, but that's not really his style. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,173
    PJ_Soul said:

    OnWis97 said:
    The response from my Congressperson after emailing them post Mueller news conference:

    Thank you for writing to express your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on this important issue.

    As you know, Donald Trump, as both a candidate and a president, has been mired in controversy. The nation and the world have witnessed the growing evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, the mishandling of important security information, and substantial evidence of obstruction of justice.  Moreover, the Trump administration has refused to comply with multiple requests for information, appearances, and even defied subpoenas from multiple congressional committees.

    Because of the Administration’s wholesale obstruction of valid congressional oversight, combined with the widespread evidence of misdeeds that require further investigation laid out in the Mueller Report, at this time, I believe it is appropriate to open an impeachment inquiry.  Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution states, “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.” 

    Impeachment consists of two separate proceedings, the first of which begins in the House of Representatives.  First, the House must open an inquiry to determine whether there is enough evidence to begin an impeachment proceeding. If the Judiciary Committee determines it is appropriate and supported by the evidence, we would vote on articles of impeachment, to formally approve allegations of wrongdoing amounting to high crimes and misdemeanors. If approved by a simple majority of the House, the articles of impeachment are then forwarded to the Senate where the second proceeding takes place: an impeachment trial. If the Senate, by vote of a two-thirds majority, convicts the official of the alleged offenses, the result is removal from office of those still in office, and, at the Senate's discretion, disqualification from holding future office. 

    I do not take impeachment or the potential removal of our President from office lightly.  Starting this process would be a sobering step for our country and must only be taken upon a grave breach in conduct such that it is incompatible with the laws of our nation or proper performance of the duties of office.  I believe that President Trump’s wholesale violation of law and order, by refusing to comply with any congressional oversight, amounts to obstruction of justice. He has left us with no choice but to begin an impeachment inquiry.  The Speaker of the House, together with other members of House Leadership will ultimately decide our path forward. I have joined many of my House colleagues in arguing for the beginning of an impeachment inquiry and we are having healthy discussions as a Caucus on the best strategy.

    Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  If I may be of assistance to you again in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.  In the meantime, please visit www.house.gov for up-to-date information.

    My best always

    Member of Congress

    Interesting response from a Republican. I wonder if any of his colleagues in the Senate feel the same way. I bet some do. But would they actually vote to convict in an impeachment trial? 

    You should post the email you sent him as well.
    At this point, the only way a GOP senator would vote this way is if he/she was putting country and rule of law ahead of his/her own own seat.  I doubt there's a state, outside of Utah, perhaps, in which going against Trump would not get you primaried.  Trump is still immensely popular among Republicans. If that somehow changed?  Then you'd probably get some GOP legislators to turn on him.  But I don't think we've ever seen this level of devotion.  I don't see enough Republicans turning.

    (Also, my gut reaction to Halifax is that it's not Devin Nunes and he was actually trying to see our reaction...but maybe I was wrong).
    I was being facetious, least I reveal my location and the forum hordes arrive at my bulkhead, dragging me out of my mother's basement as I cling to my keyboard with my Cheeto encrusted fingers. But as it stands today, 48 dems and 1 repub have publicly called for impeachment hearings to begin. And I'm proud to be represented by a Congressperson who stands up for the Constitution.

    More on all of this later as I'm still reading the Team Mueller Report and I'm slammed at work, plus I have a new part time job as a taster for Doritos.

    “There was no collusion.”

    “I don’t know any Russians.”

    “I have nothing to hide.”

    “I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”

    “We do everything by the book.”

    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    “Very legal, very cool.”

    “Fully exonerated.”

    “Essentially no collusion.”

     Follow the damn money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.


    :neutral: I can't say I appreciate the lie. I tend to assume you all aren't going to lie when I ask a question, so I believed you, which is why I wowed at your answer. So thanks for making me waste my time considering the meaning of Nunes taking that position.
    So who in the hell was the actual member of Congress? Why would you want to hide where you live? Now I'm doubting that entire letter. Is it even real??
    My apologies but I seriously thought it would have been obvious as Nunes would have to do a 900 degree turnaround to write something of the sort. I assure you, the repsonse is real and from my congressperson. Someone else suggested that I post my email as well but when I looked for what I had sent, it wasn't available as you have to pre-complete required fields in a form via their web page. I even tried to send it to myself using their "share" feature but when it came to me, it was blank. Anyway, I explained to my congressperson that I was reading the Mueller Report, had watched his press conference and had been closely following the saga from the beginning and that I was imploring him to get Speaker Pelosi to begin impeachment hearings, and stand up for the rule of law and our constitution, as clearly it was the congress' duty to do so.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,215
    2018
    dignin said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    dignin said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Which member of Congress was that from Halifax?
    Devin Nunes.
    ;)

    Sorry, I thought it was a good joke.

    Nunes would be one of the last people in congress to write that letter.

    Maybe OP could have used a wink, but that's not really his style. 
    Yeah, no shit he would be one of the last, hence my surprise. But you never know where these nutcases are going to turn. I won't put anything past any of them, including total 180s.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 47,215
    edited May 30
    2018
    PJ_Soul said:

    OnWis97 said:
    The response from my Congressperson after emailing them post Mueller news conference:

    Thank you for writing to express your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on this important issue.

    As you know, Donald Trump, as both a candidate and a president, has been mired in controversy. The nation and the world have witnessed the growing evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, the mishandling of important security information, and substantial evidence of obstruction of justice.  Moreover, the Trump administration has refused to comply with multiple requests for information, appearances, and even defied subpoenas from multiple congressional committees.

    Because of the Administration’s wholesale obstruction of valid congressional oversight, combined with the widespread evidence of misdeeds that require further investigation laid out in the Mueller Report, at this time, I believe it is appropriate to open an impeachment inquiry.  Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution states, “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.” 

    Impeachment consists of two separate proceedings, the first of which begins in the House of Representatives.  First, the House must open an inquiry to determine whether there is enough evidence to begin an impeachment proceeding. If the Judiciary Committee determines it is appropriate and supported by the evidence, we would vote on articles of impeachment, to formally approve allegations of wrongdoing amounting to high crimes and misdemeanors. If approved by a simple majority of the House, the articles of impeachment are then forwarded to the Senate where the second proceeding takes place: an impeachment trial. If the Senate, by vote of a two-thirds majority, convicts the official of the alleged offenses, the result is removal from office of those still in office, and, at the Senate's discretion, disqualification from holding future office. 

    I do not take impeachment or the potential removal of our President from office lightly.  Starting this process would be a sobering step for our country and must only be taken upon a grave breach in conduct such that it is incompatible with the laws of our nation or proper performance of the duties of office.  I believe that President Trump’s wholesale violation of law and order, by refusing to comply with any congressional oversight, amounts to obstruction of justice. He has left us with no choice but to begin an impeachment inquiry.  The Speaker of the House, together with other members of House Leadership will ultimately decide our path forward. I have joined many of my House colleagues in arguing for the beginning of an impeachment inquiry and we are having healthy discussions as a Caucus on the best strategy.

    Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  If I may be of assistance to you again in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.  In the meantime, please visit www.house.gov for up-to-date information.

    My best always

    Member of Congress

    Interesting response from a Republican. I wonder if any of his colleagues in the Senate feel the same way. I bet some do. But would they actually vote to convict in an impeachment trial? 

    You should post the email you sent him as well.
    At this point, the only way a GOP senator would vote this way is if he/she was putting country and rule of law ahead of his/her own own seat.  I doubt there's a state, outside of Utah, perhaps, in which going against Trump would not get you primaried.  Trump is still immensely popular among Republicans. If that somehow changed?  Then you'd probably get some GOP legislators to turn on him.  But I don't think we've ever seen this level of devotion.  I don't see enough Republicans turning.

    (Also, my gut reaction to Halifax is that it's not Devin Nunes and he was actually trying to see our reaction...but maybe I was wrong).
    I was being facetious, least I reveal my location and the forum hordes arrive at my bulkhead, dragging me out of my mother's basement as I cling to my keyboard with my Cheeto encrusted fingers. But as it stands today, 48 dems and 1 repub have publicly called for impeachment hearings to begin. And I'm proud to be represented by a Congressperson who stands up for the Constitution.

    More on all of this later as I'm still reading the Team Mueller Report and I'm slammed at work, plus I have a new part time job as a taster for Doritos.

    “There was no collusion.”

    “I don’t know any Russians.”

    “I have nothing to hide.”

    “I’ll sit down and talk to anyone.”

    “We do everything by the book.”

    “Only the guilty plea the fifth.”

    “Very legal, very cool.”

    “Fully exonerated.”

    “Essentially no collusion.”

     Follow the damn money, from Russia with love and a PTape, all the way to impeachment.


    :neutral: I can't say I appreciate the lie. I tend to assume you all aren't going to lie when I ask a question, so I believed you, which is why I wowed at your answer. So thanks for making me waste my time considering the meaning of Nunes taking that position.
    So who in the hell was the actual member of Congress? Why would you want to hide where you live? Now I'm doubting that entire letter. Is it even real??
    My apologies but I seriously thought it would have been obvious as Nunes would have to do a 900 degree turnaround to write something of the sort. I assure you, the repsonse is real and from my congressperson. Someone else suggested that I post my email as well but when I looked for what I had sent, it wasn't available as you have to pre-complete required fields in a form via their web page. I even tried to send it to myself using their "share" feature but when it came to me, it was blank. Anyway, I explained to my congressperson that I was reading the Mueller Report, had watched his press conference and had been closely following the saga from the beginning and that I was imploring him to get Speaker Pelosi to begin impeachment hearings, and stand up for the rule of law and our constitution, as clearly it was the congress' duty to do so.

    Privacy is a fleeting commodity.
    Yes, I thought Nunes had done a complete turn around! Like I said, you never fucking know with these people. I understand why you thought it would be obvious to everyone, but I gave up making assumptions about what Republicans who side with Trump will and won't do a long time ago TBH. These creeps will turn on a dime with ANYTHING if it serves them. They have no principles whatsoever. Not even for the horrible shit they support now. Anyone loyal to Trump can't be relied on to be consistent IMO (it's just too bad there are always more creeps coming up the rear to replace any of those who bail or are fired). And yeah, emojis are just stupid. They are useful. ;)

    I never thought the general area where we live was considered a part of privacy personally, but okay. I say that as someone who really isn't a private person at all. I am an open book.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,173
    OnWis97 said:
    The response from my Congressperson after emailing them post Mueller news conference:

    Thank you for writing to express your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on this important issue.

    As you know, Donald Trump, as both a candidate and a president, has been mired in controversy. The nation and the world have witnessed the growing evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, the mishandling of important security information, and substantial evidence of obstruction of justice.  Moreover, the Trump administration has refused to comply with multiple requests for information, appearances, and even defied subpoenas from multiple congressional committees.

    Because of the Administration’s wholesale obstruction of valid congressional oversight, combined with the widespread evidence of misdeeds that require further investigation laid out in the Mueller Report, at this time, I believe it is appropriate to open an impeachment inquiry.  Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution states, “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.” 

    Impeachment consists of two separate proceedings, the first of which begins in the House of Representatives.  First, the House must open an inquiry to determine whether there is enough evidence to begin an impeachment proceeding. If the Judiciary Committee determines it is appropriate and supported by the evidence, we would vote on articles of impeachment, to formally approve allegations of wrongdoing amounting to high crimes and misdemeanors. If approved by a simple majority of the House, the articles of impeachment are then forwarded to the Senate where the second proceeding takes place: an impeachment trial. If the Senate, by vote of a two-thirds majority, convicts the official of the alleged offenses, the result is removal from office of those still in office, and, at the Senate's discretion, disqualification from holding future office. 

    I do not take impeachment or the potential removal of our President from office lightly.  Starting this process would be a sobering step for our country and must only be taken upon a grave breach in conduct such that it is incompatible with the laws of our nation or proper performance of the duties of office.  I believe that President Trump’s wholesale violation of law and order, by refusing to comply with any congressional oversight, amounts to obstruction of justice. He has left us with no choice but to begin an impeachment inquiry.  The Speaker of the House, together with other members of House Leadership will ultimately decide our path forward. I have joined many of my House colleagues in arguing for the beginning of an impeachment inquiry and we are having healthy discussions as a Caucus on the best strategy.

    Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  If I may be of assistance to you again in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.  In the meantime, please visit www.house.gov for up-to-date information.

    My best always

    Member of Congress

    Interesting response from a Republican. I wonder if any of his colleagues in the Senate feel the same way. I bet some do. But would they actually vote to convict in an impeachment trial? 

    You should post the email you sent him as well.
    At this point, the only way a GOP senator would vote this way is if he/she was putting country and rule of law ahead of his/her own own seat.  I doubt there's a state, outside of Utah, perhaps, in which going against Trump would not get you primaried.  Trump is still immensely popular among Republicans. If that somehow changed?  Then you'd probably get some GOP legislators to turn on him.  But I don't think we've ever seen this level of devotion.  I don't see enough Republicans turning.

    (Also, my gut reaction to Halifax is that it's not Devin Nunes and he was actually trying to see our reaction...but maybe I was wrong).


    More on all of this later as I'm still reading the Team Mueller Report and I'm slammed at work, plus I have a new part time job as a taster for Doritos.




    I hear the imPEACH flavour is nice.
    Los duraznos son muy muy caliente! 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 21,179
    2018
    OnWis97 said:
    The response from my Congressperson after emailing them post Mueller news conference:

    Thank you for writing to express your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  I appreciate your taking the time to share your thoughts on this important issue.

    As you know, Donald Trump, as both a candidate and a president, has been mired in controversy. The nation and the world have witnessed the growing evidence of contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials, the mishandling of important security information, and substantial evidence of obstruction of justice.  Moreover, the Trump administration has refused to comply with multiple requests for information, appearances, and even defied subpoenas from multiple congressional committees.

    Because of the Administration’s wholesale obstruction of valid congressional oversight, combined with the widespread evidence of misdeeds that require further investigation laid out in the Mueller Report, at this time, I believe it is appropriate to open an impeachment inquiry.  Article Two, Section Four of the United States Constitution states, “The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High crimes and Misdemeanors.” 

    Impeachment consists of two separate proceedings, the first of which begins in the House of Representatives.  First, the House must open an inquiry to determine whether there is enough evidence to begin an impeachment proceeding. If the Judiciary Committee determines it is appropriate and supported by the evidence, we would vote on articles of impeachment, to formally approve allegations of wrongdoing amounting to high crimes and misdemeanors. If approved by a simple majority of the House, the articles of impeachment are then forwarded to the Senate where the second proceeding takes place: an impeachment trial. If the Senate, by vote of a two-thirds majority, convicts the official of the alleged offenses, the result is removal from office of those still in office, and, at the Senate's discretion, disqualification from holding future office. 

    I do not take impeachment or the potential removal of our President from office lightly.  Starting this process would be a sobering step for our country and must only be taken upon a grave breach in conduct such that it is incompatible with the laws of our nation or proper performance of the duties of office.  I believe that President Trump’s wholesale violation of law and order, by refusing to comply with any congressional oversight, amounts to obstruction of justice. He has left us with no choice but to begin an impeachment inquiry.  The Speaker of the House, together with other members of House Leadership will ultimately decide our path forward. I have joined many of my House colleagues in arguing for the beginning of an impeachment inquiry and we are having healthy discussions as a Caucus on the best strategy.

    Once again, thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding your support for the impeachment of President Donald J. Trump.  If I may be of assistance to you again in the future, please do not hesitate to contact me.  In the meantime, please visit www.house.gov for up-to-date information.

    My best always

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    Interesting response from a Republican. I wonder if any of his colleagues in the Senate feel the same way. I bet some do. But would they actually vote to convict in an impeachment trial? 

    You should post the email you sent him as well.
    At this point, the only way a GOP senator would vote this way is if he/she was putting country and rule of law ahead of his/her own own seat.  I doubt there's a state, outside of Utah, perhaps, in which going against Trump would not get you primaried.  Trump is still immensely popular among Republicans. If that somehow changed?  Then you'd probably get some GOP legislators to turn on him.  But I don't think we've ever seen this level of devotion.  I don't see enough Republicans turning.

    (Also, my gut reaction to Halifax is that it's not Devin Nunes and he was actually trying to see our reaction...but maybe I was wrong).


    More on all of this later as I'm still reading the Team Mueller Report and I'm slammed at work, plus I have a new part time job as a taster for Doritos.




    I hear the imPEACH flavour is nice.
    Los duraznos son muy muy caliente! 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,173
    CYA Barr should be impeached. A duel impeachment. Start with CYA Barr and when it goes to the senate for trial, start one against Team Trump Treason. Make history.

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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,171
    No collusion! It’s Over! Except dirty dirty Mike Flynn. Getting big bucks from Turkey, but they weren’t getting the love they needed. Poor customer service Mike!
    “A foreign client paying retired Gen. Michael Flynn more than $500,000 to mount a campaign to advance Turkish government interests during the 2016 presidential campaign explicitly complained to a Flynn aide that then-candidate Donald Trump was not being supportive enough, newly released documents show.”

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/05/31/michael-flynn-turkey-lobbying-1349054
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 20,173
    No collusion! It’s Over! Except dirty dirty Mike Flynn. Getting big bucks from Turkey, but they weren’t getting the love they needed. Poor customer service Mike!
    “A foreign client paying retired Gen. Michael Flynn more than $500,000 to mount a campaign to advance Turkish government interests during the 2016 presidential campaign explicitly complained to a Flynn aide that then-candidate Donald Trump was not being supportive enough, newly released documents show.”

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/05/31/michael-flynn-turkey-lobbying-1349054
    This is an example of the types of things that have been generated by the Team Mueller investigation that people who haven’t read don’t know or who have read and
     choose to be willfully ignorant about. Volume I has a lot of redactions, many due to “harm to ongoing criminal matter.” Volume II has very few redactions and lays out the 10 instances for obstruction of justice. You do the math bunky.
     
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 7,171
    No collusion! It’s Over! Except dirty dirty Mike Flynn. Getting big bucks from Turkey, but they weren’t getting the love they needed. Poor customer service Mike!
    “A foreign client paying retired Gen. Michael Flynn more than $500,000 to mount a campaign to advance Turkish government interests during the 2016 presidential campaign explicitly complained to a Flynn aide that then-candidate Donald Trump was not being supportive enough, newly released documents show.”

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/story/2019/05/31/michael-flynn-turkey-lobbying-1349054
    This is an example of the types of things that have been generated by the Team Mueller investigation that people who haven’t read don’t know or who have read and
     choose to be willfully ignorant about. Volume I has a lot of redactions, many due to “harm to ongoing criminal matter.” Volume II has very few redactions and lays out the 10 instances for obstruction of justice. You do the math bunky.
     
    And the well laid out false No Collusion! narrative by Barr’s summary of Muller’s report now has to be rolled back. Since much of the media got suckered
     by it, too. So it’s going to take some time, but I think the impeachment train is slowly gathering steam. It’s hard to tell with Pelosi if she’s being crafty or she thinks impeachment will backfire politically. 
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