***DONALD J TRUMP HAS OFFICIALLY BEEN IMPEACHED***

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  • OnWis97
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    In a sense, they have no choice but to care about him.  Their voters care about him more than they do their country.  And they have to please their voters.
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  • brianlux
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
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    The Juggler said:
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    Since I’ve been accused of YELLING ON THE INTERWEBS OR AT LEAST BEING WORRIED ABOUT NOT HAVING ANYONE TO YELL AT, I’M GOING TO YELL TO THE HEAVENS,”FUCK YOU TEAM TRUMP TREASON!”

    Who had doubts? Who believed? Look in the mirror.
    LMAO. you still can't indict a sitting president, right? so how do you see this playing out? that he's going to resign? at this point, even if there's proof he committed crimes, do you really think his own party is going to vote to impeach?
    At some point, yes.  They don't give half a fuck about Donald Trump. When McConnell no longer has use for him and him getting the boot is more beneficial to the party than him being President, yes.  We're getting closer to that.  
    of course they don't. they only latched onto his wagon when they knew there was no choice. when is a sitting president getting the boot beneficial to any party? that will cripple them. 

    I don't see him ever resigning unless it's to make a deal to stay out of jail. he is a narcissist in the classic sense and in my opinion honestly believes he's doing an amazing job, is the best president ever, and has done nothing wrong. that type of person doesn't step down willingly. 

    I can see him not seeking reelection and claiming something ridiculous like "I've done more in one term than any president did in two in the history of this great nation, so there's no need for me to continue". 
    I think he will seek re-election because he is like a dysfunctional child in a classroom who has learned that acting act brings him the attention- in his case both the negative attention from those who can't stand him and the positive attention from those who as dysfunctional as he is- that he so desperately craves. 

    I still hold to the notion that we are stuck with him until the next election and unless this country really doesn't give a flying fuck about going completely to hell (we're already close), the dems better get it together and groom a candidate that is far better and can win an election.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    brianlux said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    The Juggler said:
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    Since I’ve been accused of YELLING ON THE INTERWEBS OR AT LEAST BEING WORRIED ABOUT NOT HAVING ANYONE TO YELL AT, I’M GOING TO YELL TO THE HEAVENS,”FUCK YOU TEAM TRUMP TREASON!”

    Who had doubts? Who believed? Look in the mirror.
    LMAO. you still can't indict a sitting president, right? so how do you see this playing out? that he's going to resign? at this point, even if there's proof he committed crimes, do you really think his own party is going to vote to impeach?
    At some point, yes.  They don't give half a fuck about Donald Trump. When McConnell no longer has use for him and him getting the boot is more beneficial to the party than him being President, yes.  We're getting closer to that.  
    of course they don't. they only latched onto his wagon when they knew there was no choice. when is a sitting president getting the boot beneficial to any party? that will cripple them. 

    I don't see him ever resigning unless it's to make a deal to stay out of jail. he is a narcissist in the classic sense and in my opinion honestly believes he's doing an amazing job, is the best president ever, and has done nothing wrong. that type of person doesn't step down willingly. 

    I can see him not seeking reelection and claiming something ridiculous like "I've done more in one term than any president did in two in the history of this great nation, so there's no need for me to continue". 
    I think he will seek re-election because he is like a dysfunctional child in a classroom who has learned that acting act brings him the attention- in his case both the negative attention from those who can't stand him and the positive attention from those who as dysfunctional as he is- that he so desperately craves. 

    I still hold to the notion that we are stuck with him until the next election and unless this country really doesn't give a flying fuck about going completely to hell (we're already close), the dems better get it together and groom a candidate that is far better and can win an election.
    I would sincerely hope that everything since Nov 2016 would energize enough people who didn't vote then to vote next time. But who knows. 
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  • bootlegger10
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    While embarrassing to the country to impeach a President, it is still a shining example to the world of our democracy and that even a president is not immune from its laws.  It would be a step in the right direction of rehabbing the US's image. 
  • Go Beavers
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    OnWis97 said:
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    I have not thought that he was going to leave office, at minimum before 2020, because it seems that in 2019, nothing matters.  Dude has been teflon.  If this story is legit though....ohhh boy. I see 3 outcomes.

    He resigns
    He get's primary'd (spelling?), which at that point, he might as well resign
    He loses in 2020

    As much as I want to say that there is zero percent chance Mitch McConnell would kick him out of office, at some point he does more harm than good and if there are receipts, it's at that point, so you never know.  Still think the 3 options up there are most likely

    For the first time in a long time I see an end to this nightmare.
    A 4th option is that he wins in 2020.  So far, I don't think most potential democrats would have a chance.  Maybe Beto?  He had a pretty good showing in a solidly-red state. (actually a 5th option is impeach/remove; he might dig his heels so far that he won't just step away, Nixon-style)

    Looking at these outcomes:
    He resigns or is impeached/removed
    He get's primaried (That's my guess at the spelling)
    He loses in 2020
    He wins in 2020

    1. The party is protecting him and has proven it will until the bitter end.  40% of the population is his base (probably the most disheartening thing to come out of all this for me) and will either not believe any negative stories or not care.  I'd say there's a 1% chance he does not finish term 1.  (.5% if Muller is still working on this during the 2020 election, which I think is possible).
    2. Primaried is a long shot.  I'd say someone will try, but if it's more than one person, they'll just split the vote.  And he's over 85% with Republicans.  His base is republicans.  I don't think he's beatable there.  Less than 1%
    3. Loses in 2020?  Possible.  Nobody is going to bring the hate/baggage that Hillary did. Still, the Dems don't have a deep bench.  2018 was a decent sign.  I'd say  48% chance he loses.
    4. Wins in 2020.  We keep underestimating him.  50% chance he's inaugurated in 2021.  (This is me stepping away from the edge...until recently, the idea of him not being president for eight years had not really occurred to me.
    How can his chances of winning in 2020 be greater than they were in 2016?  His approval rating has dropped somce inauguration and republicans just got slapped in the mid-terms. 
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    friendly reminder this is still going on....hopefully will conclude today and we'll know more info

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  • The Juggler
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    OnWis97 said:
    Cliffy6745 said:
    I have not thought that he was going to leave office, at minimum before 2020, because it seems that in 2019, nothing matters.  Dude has been teflon.  If this story is legit though....ohhh boy. I see 3 outcomes.

    He resigns
    He get's primary'd (spelling?), which at that point, he might as well resign
    He loses in 2020

    As much as I want to say that there is zero percent chance Mitch McConnell would kick him out of office, at some point he does more harm than good and if there are receipts, it's at that point, so you never know.  Still think the 3 options up there are most likely

    For the first time in a long time I see an end to this nightmare.
    A 4th option is that he wins in 2020.  So far, I don't think most potential democrats would have a chance.  Maybe Beto?  He had a pretty good showing in a solidly-red state. (actually a 5th option is impeach/remove; he might dig his heels so far that he won't just step away, Nixon-style)

    Looking at these outcomes:
    He resigns or is impeached/removed
    He get's primaried (That's my guess at the spelling)
    He loses in 2020
    He wins in 2020

    1. The party is protecting him and has proven it will until the bitter end.  40% of the population is his base (probably the most disheartening thing to come out of all this for me) and will either not believe any negative stories or not care.  I'd say there's a 1% chance he does not finish term 1.  (.5% if Muller is still working on this during the 2020 election, which I think is possible).
    2. Primaried is a long shot.  I'd say someone will try, but if it's more than one person, they'll just split the vote.  And he's over 85% with Republicans.  His base is republicans.  I don't think he's beatable there.  Less than 1%
    3. Loses in 2020?  Possible.  Nobody is going to bring the hate/baggage that Hillary did. Still, the Dems don't have a deep bench.  2018 was a decent sign.  I'd say  48% chance he loses.
    4. Wins in 2020.  We keep underestimating him.  50% chance he's inaugurated in 2021.  (This is me stepping away from the edge...until recently, the idea of him not being president for eight years had not really occurred to me.
    So much of this post is incorrect.
    1- 30% of his 40% support is considered his base. The other 10% are the one's who can be swayed--the one's who held their nose and voted for him. That is why you've seen his approval rating dip into the mid 30%'s from time to time. You're entitled to your opinion but 1% is asinine. There are currently even odds on him leaving office due to impeachment/resignation. After the news of the last 24 hours, I'd imagine these odds will be even better.

    2-There is no chance in hell he doesn't get renominated if he runs again. When people talk about primarying him, they are talking about hurting him enough politically that it carries over into the general election. This is what Pat Buchannon did to G HW Bush in '92.

    3/4-The odds of him losing the general election are literally higher than any other president. You're right he won't be running against the second worst candidate of all time. He will also be the only president in history to run for re-election without ever having an approval rating above 50% (his max was around 46% the day he took office--that is horrendous). Ever. A majority of the country has never supported him and categorically rejected him just a few months ago. He is also the only president in history, that I'm aware of, who has not made any effort to attract voters outside of his base. 

    This is all moot because he will have resigned by this time next year anyway. 
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    tRUmp caught making escape plans with non-extradition country

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    tRUmp caught making escape plans with non-extradition country

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    They can keep him.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    And after all that has transpired to this point, we still don’t know the “why.” Why has everyone reported to have dealings with Russians lied about those dealings? What are they hiding or what’s transpired that they couldn’t just be honest about it? This is Team Mueller’s $100MM question.

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    Venezuelan President Maduro gives U.S. diplomats 72 hours to leave after U.S. recognizes opposition leader as interim president


    BREAKING NEWS: Maduro’s move to expel U.S. diplomatic personnel comes after the Trump administration called Maduro an “usurper” and recognized opposition leader Juan Guaidó as the nation’s interim president.





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    PJ_Soul said:

    Venezuelan President Maduro gives U.S. diplomats 72 hours to leave after U.S. recognizes opposition leader as interim president


    BREAKING NEWS: Maduro’s move to expel U.S. diplomatic personnel comes after the Trump administration called Maduro an “usurper” and recognized opposition leader Juan Guaidó as the nation’s interim president.





    Not being a jerk...by why this in the impeach thread?  Are you trying to say that Trump did something awful with this and it's more reason to impeach?  Or just general news on Donald...I know we kinda use both threads for that.  
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    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    Venezuelan President Maduro gives U.S. diplomats 72 hours to leave after U.S. recognizes opposition leader as interim president


    BREAKING NEWS: Maduro’s move to expel U.S. diplomatic personnel comes after the Trump administration called Maduro an “usurper” and recognized opposition leader Juan Guaidó as the nation’s interim president.





    Not being a jerk...by why this in the impeach thread?  Are you trying to say that Trump did something awful with this and it's more reason to impeach?  Or just general news on Donald...I know we kinda use both threads for that.  
    I have no idea. I actually thought I'd put it up in the Donald Trump thread, or at least thought about it, and decided it made no difference either way. Just general Trump-related news. Didn't think it warranted a new thread.

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  • cincybearcat
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    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    Venezuelan President Maduro gives U.S. diplomats 72 hours to leave after U.S. recognizes opposition leader as interim president


    BREAKING NEWS: Maduro’s move to expel U.S. diplomatic personnel comes after the Trump administration called Maduro an “usurper” and recognized opposition leader Juan Guaidó as the nation’s interim president.





    Not being a jerk...by why this in the impeach thread?  Are you trying to say that Trump did something awful with this and it's more reason to impeach?  Or just general news on Donald...I know we kinda use both threads for that.  
    I have no idea. I actually thought I'd put it up in the Donald Trump thread, or at least thought about it, and decided it made no difference either way. Just general Trump-related news. Didn't think it warranted a new thread.

    Ok, makes sense. I just thought you were disagreeing with his action here and I wanted to know why. I’m not sure what I think about this yet, don’t know enough.


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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJ_Soul said:

    Venezuelan President Maduro gives U.S. diplomats 72 hours to leave after U.S. recognizes opposition leader as interim president


    BREAKING NEWS: Maduro’s move to expel U.S. diplomatic personnel comes after the Trump administration called Maduro an “usurper” and recognized opposition leader Juan Guaidó as the nation’s interim president.





    Maybe the rest of the world should disavow PTeam TrUmp TreasonIN and formally recognize Chuck and Nancy as the leaders of the US?
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    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:

    Venezuelan President Maduro gives U.S. diplomats 72 hours to leave after U.S. recognizes opposition leader as interim president


    BREAKING NEWS: Maduro’s move to expel U.S. diplomatic personnel comes after the Trump administration called Maduro an “usurper” and recognized opposition leader Juan Guaidó as the nation’s interim president.





    Not being a jerk...by why this in the impeach thread?  Are you trying to say that Trump did something awful with this and it's more reason to impeach?  Or just general news on Donald...I know we kinda use both threads for that.  
    I have no idea. I actually thought I'd put it up in the Donald Trump thread, or at least thought about it, and decided it made no difference either way. Just general Trump-related news. Didn't think it warranted a new thread.

    Ok, makes sense. I just thought you were disagreeing with his action here and I wanted to know why. I’m not sure what I think about this yet, don’t know enough.


    Frankly, I'm just surprised that Trump sided with democracy, and not with the dictator. He usually loves dictators and gives the big F-U to democracy. I wonder what reasonable person talked him into this move? They must have caught him when he was particularly pliable.
    I'm really not sure if it's a great political move or not, but it is a more moral one, although that wouldn't be Trump's motivation. So what is??? .... It's possible that he hasn't given it any thought at all and just told Pence to "take care of it" or whatever, who the hell knows??
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    The real reason for the shutdown?

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    OnWis97 said:
    The real reason for the shutdown?

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/federal-courts-will-run-money-friday-due-shutdown-including-muellers-grand-jury-cnn/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


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    OnWis97 said:
    The real reason for the shutdown?

    https://www.rawstory.com/2019/01/federal-courts-will-run-money-friday-due-shutdown-including-muellers-grand-jury-cnn/amp/?__twitter_impression=true


    Crazy and disturbing... Now is a great time for criminals to do their thing, eh?
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