People believed the pre-election polls, too. Remember that annoying Trumpy in your life that said "there's a silent majority that loves Trump but is kind of scared to admit it publicly?" That turned out to be true.
Polling is no longer meaningful.
Maybe I overstated how well liked he is, but America is, at least, content with him being in office.
However, this is more than a fair assessment. This isn't pessimism. It's just plain inaccurate.
The 'silent majority' is neither silent, nor the majority. Polling continues to be meaningful. Just ask Trumpy how his approval ratings are doing. I bet he can rattle off the latest Fox viewer poll. And America is certainly not content with him in office. In fact there is growing momentum to have him ousted.
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is traitor the new label people are hoping sticks with him? ... good grief ...
i think the energy people have trying to demonize trump is better spent recognizing how the cuss someone like him got elected in the first place ... and why someone like Clinton could lose to a guy like that ... seriously, take a step back and try and be objective about this ... you will see that the crux of the issue is much larger than trump ... trump is merely a symbol of how royally fucked up the system and people really are ...
yes, the system is fucked up and corrupt. but that doesn't take away how royally unfit for the job he is and how much damage he is doing.
I think colluding with a foeign and unfriendly power to win the white house can be considered treasonous, don't you?
People believed the pre-election polls, too. Remember that annoying Trumpy in your life that said "there's a silent majority that loves Trump but is kind of scared to admit it publicly?" That turned out to be true.
Polling is no longer meaningful.
Maybe I overstated how well liked he is, but America is, at least, content with him being in office.
However, this is more than a fair assessment. This isn't pessimism. It's just plain inaccurate.
The 'silent majority' is neither silent, nor the majority. Polling continues to be meaningful. Just ask Trumpy how his approval ratings are doing. I bet he can rattle off the latest Fox viewer poll. And America is certainly not content with him in office. In fact there is growing momentum to have him ousted.
Exactly. People are theorizing Sanders would have lost based on subjective feelings and guessing about zeitgeist at the time. Sanders had a consistent 12 point lead in polls head to head with trump. It's hard to imagine him losing that lead, especially when deciding to vote for the sexually deviant or the nice, albiet cranky, old guy. And speaking of subjective feelings, his 'sticking it to the man' theme would've resonated nicely in those midwest swing states.
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It's astonishing to see people predicting bad things for Trump. He's going to be just fine. He's going to keep winning. He's going to lose no supporters. He's the most popular president since Reagan (with the exception of W's roughly 18-month post-9/11 honeymoon).
Rob Schneider is right. The Dems always lose because they don't reflect what Americans believe. America is moving further and further right. Get used to it. And America is also becoming more and more enchanted with Twitter-troll behavior. We have Trump for eight years. I feel bad for anyone who thinks that Trump's downfall is just around the corner. It's Never. Gonna. Happen. If we were magically given a do-over on the election tomorrow, he'd still win.
2018 is going to be fascinating. A lot of Republicans are going to lose their primaries to pro-Trump Republicans. Then, starting in 2019, the true will of the American people will be served. It's going to be ugly.
Not sure if serious...what's scary is people actually believe this.
People believed the pre-election polls, too. Remember that annoying Trumpy in your life that said "there's a silent majority that loves Trump but is kind of scared to admit it publicly?" That turned out to be true.
Polling is no longer meaningful.
Maybe I overstated how well liked he is, but America is, at least, content with him being in office.
No.
National polls were correct. They all had HRC ahead by about 3%. She won pop vote by over 2% (w/in margin of error).
You are confusing 2 or 3 swing state polls....and even they were close to margin of error. Election was decided by about 70,000 people in 3 states.
Some projections were not just popular vote...538 usually had a pretty safe win for Hillary. (though it fluctuated). I think there was some "silent" factor for Trump...though there was probably also under-estimation to how despised Hillary was and how that would keep moderate left-leaning people from the polls.
The smartest thing Trump has said is that he could shoot someone and lose no supporters. They are digging their heels. The question is, will he bring out opposition. (Actually, given the title of this thread, the question is whether he'll make it out of this mess; I think he will)
Projections are not the same thing as "pre election polls" though.
The pre-election polls nationwide, all had HRC up by about 3%....she won by over 2%. They were largely accurate. So there was no silent or not so silent "majority" for Trump since 3 million more people voted for the other candidate.
It's astonishing to see people predicting bad things for Trump. He's going to be just fine. He's going to keep winning. He's going to lose no supporters. He's the most popular president since Reagan (with the exception of W's roughly 18-month post-9/11 honeymoon).
Rob Schneider is right. The Dems always lose because they don't reflect what Americans believe. America is moving further and further right. Get used to it. And America is also becoming more and more enchanted with Twitter-troll behavior. We have Trump for eight years. I feel bad for anyone who thinks that Trump's downfall is just around the corner. It's Never. Gonna. Happen. If we were magically given a do-over on the election tomorrow, he'd still win.
2018 is going to be fascinating. A lot of Republicans are going to lose their primaries to pro-Trump Republicans. Then, starting in 2019, the true will of the American people will be served. It's going to be ugly.
I would agree that America is moving 'somewhat' right and to a place that is more in the middle. I don't think that is such a bad movement either. From my way of thinking... slightly left of the middle would be ideal.
There'll be strong right proponents of course, but ultimately, I don't think there is enough people to buy in to such an archaic model of thought (unless all my simpleton/Cletus characterization actually bear weight).
As far as Trump sticking around for eight years... I wouldn't bet my mortgage on it. I think some people are being optimistic around here and I can hardly blame them, but my gut is telling me he's around for another three and a half years.
I disagree that the country is moving right. Elections aren't evidence of any movement. Look at the research. Most of the country wants or currently holds attitudes in line with what's thought of as liberal or leaning liberal.
Just a feeling.
Definitely the last election results revealed something about moving right.
The last election was about match ups. Republicans blew it in the primaries because there were too many in the mix. Core trump voters have always been there and they just vote R anyway. Hillary was then a bad match up with trump, for reasons already covered. I'm confident Sanders would've beat trump, based on head to head numbers. He also doesn't have a Benghazi and a hit squad that takes people out with the wave of a hand. After Sanders would've won, the subject would be how liberal we've become with a smaller group of staunch conservatives clinging to life.
How'd your pool turn out?
Your take on the GOP primary is right. They had too many in the mix and almost all of them were terrible. A Mitt Romney '12 may have had a decent shot.
And the Dems did not have a great candidate. There's some anecdotal evidence about not wanting to vote for a woman, but most importantly, 25 years of hate is just too much to overcome. The Dems blew it by thinking it was her "turn." It was pretty arrogant.
I am not sure I agree about Bernie, though. He's got that accent. He's Jewish. He's been branded a "Socialist." True, the long-term hate and scandal factor would have gone away. But I think people thought of him as too unrealistic (ironic, I know); a good guy to have in the Senate to bring about key points of view but do we really want him as President? (Yes for me)
The only way Bernie has a chance is if he runs against a total buffoon. So maybe. If the entire election was about Hillary, then a reasonably well-liked candidate could have won. I don't know that Bernie could have done it though. Given the way the Electoral College deck is stacked against the Democrats, they lose the tie. They need someone that really enthuses people the way Obama did. And not just the hard-core liberals like Bernie did, but the centrists and the apolitical.
Ask Jose if he thinks Bernie has a chance lol.
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I'm not convinced Bernie would have won either. America isn't ready for that kind of progress yet.
Yeah, we aren't ready to Venezuela just yet.
Stop being an idiot.
And read up on the Scandinavian countries.
I have read up on Scandinavian countries, plus I have actually been to them too. I have no interest in having more of my labor stolen to subsidize the third world invasion.
I'm not convinced Bernie would have won either. America isn't ready for that kind of progress yet.
Yeah, we aren't ready to Venezuela just yet.
Stop being an idiot.
And read up on the Scandinavian countries.
I have read up on Scandinavian countries, plus I have actually been to them too. I have no interest in having more of my labor stolen to subsidize the third world invasion.
Idiot huh? Ok internet tough guy.
Why would you voluntarily visit a socialist paradise? Was it for work? Were you kidnapped?
If you really want to see your libertarian utopia, perhaps you should stick to vacationing in third countries.
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I'm not convinced Bernie would have won either. America isn't ready for that kind of progress yet.
Yeah, we aren't ready to Venezuela just yet.
Stop being an idiot.
And read up on the Scandinavian countries.
I have read up on Scandinavian countries, plus I have actually been to them too. I have no interest in having more of my labor stolen to subsidize the third world invasion.
Idiot huh? Ok internet tough guy.
Why would you voluntarily visit a socialist paradise? Was it for work? Were you kidnapped?
If you really want to see your libertarian utopia, perhaps you should stick to vacationing in third countries.
No, no, you can't bring up third world countries, despite literally having everything advocated for, they aren't relevant.
Is weird the best word to describe it? It sounds like they met proir to the inauguration to firm up any deals that were made pre-election. More smoke.
Except Price, the non involved campaign campaign operative met with a Russian who was eventually convicted of spying. Price met with him in 2013. But, you know, nothing to see here.
Is weird the best word to describe it? It sounds like they met proir to the inauguration to firm up any deals that were made pre-election. More smoke.
Except Price, the non involved campaign campaign operative met with a Russian who was eventually convicted of spying. Price met with him in 2013. But, you know, nothing to see here.
And his sister gets the Secretary of education gig...
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I'm not convinced Bernie would have won either. America isn't ready for that kind of progress yet.
Yeah, we aren't ready to Venezuela just yet.
Stop being an idiot.
And read up on the Scandinavian countries.
I have read up on Scandinavian countries, plus I have actually been to them too. I have no interest in having more of my labor stolen to subsidize the third world invasion.
Idiot huh? Ok internet tough guy.
Why would you voluntarily visit a socialist paradise? Was it for work? Were you kidnapped?
If you really want to see your libertarian utopia, perhaps you should stick to vacationing in third countries.
Because prior to Europe being flooded with "refugees" there were some other attractions.
I'm not convinced Bernie would have won either. America isn't ready for that kind of progress yet.
Yeah, we aren't ready to Venezuela just yet.
Stop being an idiot.
And read up on the Scandinavian countries.
I have read up on Scandinavian countries, plus I have actually been to them too. I have no interest in having more of my labor stolen to subsidize the third world invasion.
Idiot huh? Ok internet tough guy.
Why would you voluntarily visit a socialist paradise? Was it for work? Were you kidnapped?
If you really want to see your libertarian utopia, perhaps you should stick to vacationing in third countries.
Because prior to Europe being flooded with "refugees" there were some other attractions.
I'm not convinced Bernie would have won either. America isn't ready for that kind of progress yet.
Yeah, we aren't ready to Venezuela just yet.
Stop being an idiot.
And read up on the Scandinavian countries.
I have read up on Scandinavian countries, plus I have actually been to them too. I have no interest in having more of my labor stolen to subsidize the third world invasion.
Idiot huh? Ok internet tough guy.
Why would you voluntarily visit a socialist paradise? Was it for work? Were you kidnapped?
If you really want to see your libertarian utopia, perhaps you should stick to vacationing in third countries.
Because prior to Europe being flooded with "refugees" there were some other attractions.
I'm not convinced Bernie would have won either. America isn't ready for that kind of progress yet.
Yeah, we aren't ready to Venezuela just yet.
Stop being an idiot.
And read up on the Scandinavian countries.
I have read up on Scandinavian countries, plus I have actually been to them too. I have no interest in having more of my labor stolen to subsidize the third world invasion.
Idiot huh? Ok internet tough guy.
Why would you voluntarily visit a socialist paradise? Was it for work? Were you kidnapped?
If you really want to see your libertarian utopia, perhaps you should stick to vacationing in third countries.
Because prior to Europe being flooded with "refugees" there were some other attractions.
Well, unless those "other attractions" were landscapes mostly free of non-white faces, the attractions are probably still there.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
I'm not convinced Bernie would have won either. America isn't ready for that kind of progress yet.
Yeah, we aren't ready to Venezuela just yet.
Stop being an idiot.
And read up on the Scandinavian countries.
I have read up on Scandinavian countries, plus I have actually been to them too. I have no interest in having more of my labor stolen to subsidize the third world invasion.
Idiot huh? Ok internet tough guy.
Why would you voluntarily visit a socialist paradise? Was it for work? Were you kidnapped?
If you really want to see your libertarian utopia, perhaps you should stick to vacationing in third countries.
Because prior to Europe being flooded with "refugees" there were some other attractions.
That's fun. Where did you go? What did you see?
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I'm not convinced Bernie would have won either. America isn't ready for that kind of progress yet.
Yeah, we aren't ready to Venezuela just yet.
Stop being an idiot.
And read up on the Scandinavian countries.
I have read up on Scandinavian countries, plus I have actually been to them too. I have no interest in having more of my labor stolen to subsidize the third world invasion.
Idiot huh? Ok internet tough guy.
Why would you voluntarily visit a socialist paradise? Was it for work? Were you kidnapped?
If you really want to see your libertarian utopia, perhaps you should stick to vacationing in third countries.
Because prior to Europe being flooded with "refugees" there were some other attractions.
I'm not convinced Bernie would have won either. America isn't ready for that kind of progress yet.
Yeah, we aren't ready to Venezuela just yet.
Stop being an idiot.
And read up on the Scandinavian countries.
I have read up on Scandinavian countries, plus I have actually been to them too. I have no interest in having more of my labor stolen to subsidize the third world invasion.
Idiot huh? Ok internet tough guy.
Why would you voluntarily visit a socialist paradise? Was it for work? Were you kidnapped?
If you really want to see your libertarian utopia, perhaps you should stick to vacationing in third countries.
Because prior to Europe being flooded with "refugees" there were some other attractions.
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The 'silent majority' is neither silent, nor the majority.
Polling continues to be meaningful. Just ask Trumpy how his approval ratings are doing. I bet he can rattle off the latest Fox viewer poll.
And America is certainly not content with him in office. In fact there is growing momentum to have him ousted.
Snowflake in Chief!
538's projections were based on state polling to project the electoral college. Again--swing state polling in Florida, PA, and Michigan were wrong.538 did better than most though"
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fivethirtyeight-gave-trump-a-better-chance-than-almost-anyone-else/
The pre-election polls nationwide, all had HRC up by about 3%....she won by over 2%. They were largely accurate. So there was no silent or not so silent "majority" for Trump since 3 million more people voted for the other candidate.
HIllary was just a horrible candidate.
And read up on the Scandinavian countries.
Idiot huh? Ok internet tough guy.
If you really want to see your libertarian utopia, perhaps you should stick to vacationing in third countries.
Boom tish.
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