Is Donald Trump a sexual predator?

Go Beavers

mace1229 said:

If the poll was is he a dirty old man, or has he used his celebrity status to hook up with women who wouldn't otherwise give him the time of day then the answer is yes.
But that is all it seems so far. I haven't seen proof of rape or sexual assault, but a dirty old man who uses his celebrity and wealth to attract women.
But that would describe half of Hollywood, athletes and rockstars.

Hey look, it's another post trying to normalize trump by saying other people do it, too.

mace1229

No

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

If the poll was is he a dirty old man, or has he used his celebrity status to hook up with women who wouldn't otherwise give him the time of day then the answer is yes.
But that is all it seems so far. I haven't seen proof of rape or sexual assault, but a dirty old man who uses his celebrity and wealth to attract women.
But that would describe half of Hollywood, athletes and rockstars.

Hey look, it's another post trying to normalize trump by saying other people do it, too.

hey look, its another post with zero substance criticizing someone who doesn't agree with them.

mace1229

No

In the last several months I have yet to see a single post with convincing evidence, or from the media or anywhere for that matter, that would allow me to label him a sexual predator. A creepy old man, yes, but not a sexual predator.
If your evidence is a 10-year old tape where he says "they let me do it" how is that sexual assault?
A few women days before an election coming forward is not convincing to me. If that is your standard then Bill should be locked up too.
And yes, I bring up "other people doing it to" because it shows the lack of consistency in the accusations. So I have yet to see convincing evidence to confirm he is, and I use same justification on everyone whether I like them or not.

josevolution

Yes

mace1229 said:

In the last several months I have yet to see a single post with convincing evidence, or from the media or anywhere for that matter, that would allow me to label him a sexual predator. A creepy old man, yes, but not a sexual predator.
If your evidence is a 10-year old tape where he says "they let me do it" how is that sexual assault?
A few women days before an election coming forward is not convincing to me. If that is your standard then Bill should be locked up too.
And yes, I bring up "other people doing it to" because it shows the lack of consistency in the accusations. So I have yet to see convincing evidence to confirm he is, and I use same justification on everyone whether I like them or not.

Keep on saying it , He's not a sexual predator he's not a sexual predator , there are women here posting that his own words would lead them to believe he is one I presume you're a male ?

mace1229

No

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

In the last several months I have yet to see a single post with convincing evidence, or from the media or anywhere for that matter, that would allow me to label him a sexual predator. A creepy old man, yes, but not a sexual predator.
If your evidence is a 10-year old tape where he says "they let me do it" how is that sexual assault?
A few women days before an election coming forward is not convincing to me. If that is your standard then Bill should be locked up too.
And yes, I bring up "other people doing it to" because it shows the lack of consistency in the accusations. So I have yet to see convincing evidence to confirm he is, and I use same justification on everyone whether I like them or not.

Keep on saying it , He's not a sexual predator he's not a sexual predator , there are women here posting that his own words would lead them to believe he is one I presume you're a male ?

Yes. What des that have to do with anything? I know plenty of females who, although don't like him, aren't ready to label him a sexual predator.
And again, another post with zero substance to back up your claim. I have stated why I believe so, and if you don't agree then that's fine, but at least I can tell you why I believe that. And yet haven't seen a response to justify your claim.

Free

Yes

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

If the poll was is he a dirty old man, or has he used his celebrity status to hook up with women who wouldn't otherwise give him the time of day then the answer is yes.
But that is all it seems so far. I haven't seen proof of rape or sexual assault, but a dirty old man who uses his celebrity and wealth to attract women.
But that would describe half of Hollywood, athletes and rockstars.

Hey look, it's another post trying to normalize trump by saying other people do it, too.

...like Bill Cosby.

josevolution

Yes

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

In the last several months I have yet to see a single post with convincing evidence, or from the media or anywhere for that matter, that would allow me to label him a sexual predator. A creepy old man, yes, but not a sexual predator.
If your evidence is a 10-year old tape where he says "they let me do it" how is that sexual assault?
A few women days before an election coming forward is not convincing to me. If that is your standard then Bill should be locked up too.
And yes, I bring up "other people doing it to" because it shows the lack of consistency in the accusations. So I have yet to see convincing evidence to confirm he is, and I use same justification on everyone whether I like them or not.

Keep on saying it , He's not a sexual predator he's not a sexual predator , there are women here posting that his own words would lead them to believe he is one I presume you're a male ?

Yes. What des that have to do with anything? I know plenty of females who, although don't like him, aren't ready to label him a sexual predator.
And again, another post with zero substance to back up your claim. I have stated why I believe so, and if you don't agree then that's fine, but at least I can tell you why I believe that. And yet haven't seen a response to justify your claim.

The evidence has already been out out there , if your ok with Bafoon talking about how he can get away with groping any woman because of his status that's on you , like they say the evidence is in the pudding ...

PJ_Soul

Yes

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

In the last several months I have yet to see a single post with convincing evidence, or from the media or anywhere for that matter, that would allow me to label him a sexual predator. A creepy old man, yes, but not a sexual predator.
If your evidence is a 10-year old tape where he says "they let me do it" how is that sexual assault?
A few women days before an election coming forward is not convincing to me. If that is your standard then Bill should be locked up too.
And yes, I bring up "other people doing it to" because it shows the lack of consistency in the accusations. So I have yet to see convincing evidence to confirm he is, and I use same justification on everyone whether I like them or not.

Keep on saying it , He's not a sexual predator he's not a sexual predator , there are women here posting that his own words would lead them to believe he is one I presume you're a male ?

Yes. What des that have to do with anything? I know plenty of females who, although don't like him, aren't ready to label him a sexual predator.
And again, another post with zero substance to back up your claim. I have stated why I believe so, and if you don't agree then that's fine, but at least I can tell you why I believe that. And yet haven't seen a response to justify your claim.

Any woman who is unwilling to label him a sexual predator is a straight up moron.

Go Beavers

mace1229 said:

In the last several months I have yet to see a single post with convincing evidence, or from the media or anywhere for that matter, that would allow me to label him a sexual predator. A creepy old man, yes, but not a sexual predator.
If your evidence is a 10-year old tape where he says "they let me do it" how is that sexual assault?
A few women days before an election coming forward is not convincing to me. If that is your standard then Bill should be locked up too.
And yes, I bring up "other people doing it to" because it shows the lack of consistency in the accusations. So I have yet to see convincing evidence to confirm he is, and I use same justification on everyone whether I like them or not.

You're altering what trump has admitted to to try and minimize it to sexual harassment from his position of power, but he's really admitting to sexual assault because he is doing this without consent. Maybe you think confessions aren't proof? Trump has also admitted to intentionally walking in on pageant contestants when fhey are naked. I don't think he clarified if he did this with the teens also, but let's leave it up to the individual to decide if he has those boundaries. This is also a sex offense.

mace1229

No

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

In the last several months I have yet to see a single post with convincing evidence, or from the media or anywhere for that matter, that would allow me to label him a sexual predator. A creepy old man, yes, but not a sexual predator.
If your evidence is a 10-year old tape where he says "they let me do it" how is that sexual assault?
A few women days before an election coming forward is not convincing to me. If that is your standard then Bill should be locked up too.
And yes, I bring up "other people doing it to" because it shows the lack of consistency in the accusations. So I have yet to see convincing evidence to confirm he is, and I use same justification on everyone whether I like them or not.

Keep on saying it , He's not a sexual predator he's not a sexual predator , there are women here posting that his own words would lead them to believe he is one I presume you're a male ?

Yes. What des that have to do with anything? I know plenty of females who, although don't like him, aren't ready to label him a sexual predator.
And again, another post with zero substance to back up your claim. I have stated why I believe so, and if you don't agree then that's fine, but at least I can tell you why I believe that. And yet haven't seen a response to justify your claim.

Any woman who is unwilling to label him a sexual predator is a straight up moron.

No, its a matter of the level of evidence and what makes the most sense.
This country requires reasonable doubt in order to not convict someone. I think there is plenty of reasonable doubt. Sure, it's entirely possible he's another Bill Cosby, but no one knows that for sure.
I have to ask myself what seems more plausible. That he's used his status to win over women, like thousands before him. And in his own words from that video from 10 years ago even stated "and they let me do it" so I don't see how that's proof of anything other than consent. Its pretty well known that anyone even remotely famous can get a woman who wouldn't otherwise give hi the time of day. That video proves nothing to me, other than he's a perv. Lots of pervs out there and most aren't predators.
Women coming forward a week before the election about incidents that happened decades earlier. The same time the FBI was coming down on Hilary and they needed more dirt on Trump. It just isn't very convincing to me. Come forward in a time when you have nothing to gain. Or even worse, if they are true, were these stories sat on and released at a specific time like the videos? That would be almost equally as disgusting as the acts themselves.
I don't see a lot of evidence, and neither does half the country (including a lot of intelligent women).

HesCalledDyer

Yes

mace1229 said:

In the last several months I have yet to see a single post with convincing evidence, or from the media or anywhere for that matter, that would allow me to label him a sexual predator. A creepy old man, yes, but not a sexual predator.
If your evidence is a 10-year old tape where he says "they let me do it" how is that sexual assault?
A few women days before an election coming forward is not convincing to me. If that is your standard then Bill should be locked up too.
And yes, I bring up "other people doing it to" because it shows the lack of consistency in the accusations. So I have yet to see convincing evidence to confirm he is, and I use same justification on everyone whether I like them or not.

He has admitted to putting his hands and mouth on women without their consent. Approaching women and putting your hands on them and kissing them without consent is predatory in nature and can be considered assault. People like you who deny this are only perpetuating this behavior.

Go Beavers

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

In the last several months I have yet to see a single post with convincing evidence, or from the media or anywhere for that matter, that would allow me to label him a sexual predator. A creepy old man, yes, but not a sexual predator.
If your evidence is a 10-year old tape where he says "they let me do it" how is that sexual assault?
A few women days before an election coming forward is not convincing to me. If that is your standard then Bill should be locked up too.
And yes, I bring up "other people doing it to" because it shows the lack of consistency in the accusations. So I have yet to see convincing evidence to confirm he is, and I use same justification on everyone whether I like them or not.

Keep on saying it , He's not a sexual predator he's not a sexual predator , there are women here posting that his own words would lead them to believe he is one I presume you're a male ?

Yes. What des that have to do with anything? I know plenty of females who, although don't like him, aren't ready to label him a sexual predator.
And again, another post with zero substance to back up your claim. I have stated why I believe so, and if you don't agree then that's fine, but at least I can tell you why I believe that. And yet haven't seen a response to justify your claim.

Any woman who is unwilling to label him a sexual predator is a straight up moron.

No, its a matter of the level of evidence and what makes the most sense.
This country requires reasonable doubt in order to not convict someone. I think there is plenty of reasonable doubt. Sure, it's entirely possible he's another Bill Cosby, but no one knows that for sure.
I have to ask myself what seems more plausible. That he's used his status to win over women, like thousands before him. And in his own words from that video from 10 years ago even stated "and they let me do it" so I don't see how that's proof of anything other than consent. Its pretty well known that anyone even remotely famous can get a woman who wouldn't otherwise give hi the time of day. That video proves nothing to me, other than he's a perv. Lots of pervs out there and most aren't predators.
Women coming forward a week before the election about incidents that happened decades earlier. The same time the FBI was coming down on Hilary and they needed more dirt on Trump. It just isn't very convincing to me. Come forward in a time when you have nothing to gain. Or even worse, if they are true, were these stories sat on and released at a specific time like the videos? That would be almost equally as disgusting as the acts themselves.
I don't see a lot of evidence, and neither does half the country (including a lot of intelligent women).

What's the evidence on Cosby that convinced you he's guilty?

PJ_Soul

Yes

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

In the last several months I have yet to see a single post with convincing evidence, or from the media or anywhere for that matter, that would allow me to label him a sexual predator. A creepy old man, yes, but not a sexual predator.
If your evidence is a 10-year old tape where he says "they let me do it" how is that sexual assault?
A few women days before an election coming forward is not convincing to me. If that is your standard then Bill should be locked up too.
And yes, I bring up "other people doing it to" because it shows the lack of consistency in the accusations. So I have yet to see convincing evidence to confirm he is, and I use same justification on everyone whether I like them or not.

Keep on saying it , He's not a sexual predator he's not a sexual predator , there are women here posting that his own words would lead them to believe he is one I presume you're a male ?

Yes. What des that have to do with anything? I know plenty of females who, although don't like him, aren't ready to label him a sexual predator.
And again, another post with zero substance to back up your claim. I have stated why I believe so, and if you don't agree then that's fine, but at least I can tell you why I believe that. And yet haven't seen a response to justify your claim.

Any woman who is unwilling to label him a sexual predator is a straight up moron.

No, its a matter of the level of evidence and what makes the most sense.
This country requires reasonable doubt in order to not convict someone. I think there is plenty of reasonable doubt. Sure, it's entirely possible he's another Bill Cosby, but no one knows that for sure.
I have to ask myself what seems more plausible. That he's used his status to win over women, like thousands before him. And in his own words from that video from 10 years ago even stated "and they let me do it" so I don't see how that's proof of anything other than consent. Its pretty well known that anyone even remotely famous can get a woman who wouldn't otherwise give hi the time of day. That video proves nothing to me, other than he's a perv. Lots of pervs out there and most aren't predators.
Women coming forward a week before the election about incidents that happened decades earlier. The same time the FBI was coming down on Hilary and they needed more dirt on Trump. It just isn't very convincing to me. Come forward in a time when you have nothing to gain. Or even worse, if they are true, were these stories sat on and released at a specific time like the videos? That would be almost equally as disgusting as the acts themselves.
I don't see a lot of evidence, and neither does half the country (including a lot of intelligent women).

So a confession on film along with 11 accusations (with substantiation of complaint at the time of attack) isn't enough for these idiots? As I said, straight up morons.

jeffbr

Yes

Go Beavers said:

mace1229 said:

In the last several months I have yet to see a single post with convincing evidence, or from the media or anywhere for that matter, that would allow me to label him a sexual predator. A creepy old man, yes, but not a sexual predator.
If your evidence is a 10-year old tape where he says "they let me do it" how is that sexual assault?
A few women days before an election coming forward is not convincing to me. If that is your standard then Bill should be locked up too.
And yes, I bring up "other people doing it to" because it shows the lack of consistency in the accusations. So I have yet to see convincing evidence to confirm he is, and I use same justification on everyone whether I like them or not.

You're altering what trump has admitted to to try and minimize it to sexual harassment from his position of power, but he's really admitting to sexual assault because he is doing this without consent. Maybe you think confessions aren't proof? Trump has also admitted to intentionally walking in on pageant contestants when fhey are naked. I don't think he clarified if he did this with the teens also, but let's leave it up to the individual to decide if he has those boundaries. This is also a sex offense.

I know he has one boundary. As much as he'd really, really like to, he won't bang Ivanka. But I'm sure he thinks about it from time to time. Other than that, I have no idea where his boundaries are. Extra-marital affairs don't seem to be outside the bounds. Neither does non-consensual p-grabbing - in fact, that's bragged about.

rgambs

PJPOWER said:

I chose no, not because I know he is not, but because of the proven false reports that are slung the way of anyone with a little money or power. Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law? Going the Hillbot route on this one.

Of course his admissions mean nothing to you.

Thoughts_Arrive

Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5eBZhMyUP0

Free

Yes

It's so cute how some will defend the tyrannical sexual assaulter... people really are out of touch.

HughFreakingDillon

Yes

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

In the last several months I have yet to see a single post with convincing evidence, or from the media or anywhere for that matter, that would allow me to label him a sexual predator. A creepy old man, yes, but not a sexual predator.
If your evidence is a 10-year old tape where he says "they let me do it" how is that sexual assault?
A few women days before an election coming forward is not convincing to me. If that is your standard then Bill should be locked up too.
And yes, I bring up "other people doing it to" because it shows the lack of consistency in the accusations. So I have yet to see convincing evidence to confirm he is, and I use same justification on everyone whether I like them or not.

Keep on saying it , He's not a sexual predator he's not a sexual predator , there are women here posting that his own words would lead them to believe he is one I presume you're a male ?

Yes. What des that have to do with anything? I know plenty of females who, although don't like him, aren't ready to label him a sexual predator.
And again, another post with zero substance to back up your claim. I have stated why I believe so, and if you don't agree then that's fine, but at least I can tell you why I believe that. And yet haven't seen a response to justify your claim.

Any woman who is unwilling to label him a sexual predator is a straight up moron.

No, its a matter of the level of evidence and what makes the most sense.
This country requires reasonable doubt in order to not convict someone. I think there is plenty of reasonable doubt. Sure, it's entirely possible he's another Bill Cosby, but no one knows that for sure.
I have to ask myself what seems more plausible. That he's used his status to win over women, like thousands before him. And in his own words from that video from 10 years ago even stated "and they let me do it" so I don't see how that's proof of anything other than consent. Its pretty well known that anyone even remotely famous can get a woman who wouldn't otherwise give hi the time of day. That video proves nothing to me, other than he's a perv. Lots of pervs out there and most aren't predators.
Women coming forward a week before the election about incidents that happened decades earlier. The same time the FBI was coming down on Hilary and they needed more dirt on Trump. It just isn't very convincing to me. Come forward in a time when you have nothing to gain. Or even worse, if they are true, were these stories sat on and released at a specific time like the videos? That would be almost equally as disgusting as the acts themselves.
I don't see a lot of evidence, and neither does half the country (including a lot of intelligent women).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-sexual-assault-why-women-dont-come-forward_us_57fee6a1e4b0e8c198a60664

"they let me do it" is an admission that they didn't fight back, not that it wasn't sexual assault. this is a common misconception: just because someone doesn't immediately fight back, that does NOT mean it wasn't assault.

I can get punched in the head and not fight back and it's still assault.

PP193448

If Trump is a sexual predator, then how would you classify Hugh Hefner. (What's funny is that my auto text spelled his last name right, and I've never typed his name before...). Just wondering.

HughFreakingDillon

Yes

PP193448 said:

If Trump is a sexual predator, then how would you classify Hugh Hefner. (What's funny is that my auto text spelled his last name right, and I've never typed his name before...). Just wondering.

what is the relevance of Hugh Hefner?