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The entire history of the World people have migrated over the globe and associated with others that were like minded or whom worked together through trade or other interactions.
Are you saying that this practice should stop and instead have government say who lives where?
Shouldn't association with others remain voluntary?
The entire history of the World people have migrated over the globe and associated with others that were like minded or whom worked together through trade or other interactions.
Are you saying that this practice should stop and instead have government say who lives where?
Shouldn't association with others remain voluntary?
of course it should. I think we might have different undestandings of what forced association means. it actually can mean a whole host of things depending on context. for instance, some disagree with forced association when it comes to schools; i.e: children should be able to not only move from class to class and decide which one they want to participate in, but they also shouldn't be forced to be in a school that is geographically close to where they live or even that they should be allowed to choose their teachers and the age group they learn with.
another context is referring to christians, if they, say, have a cake business, and are "forced" to make a wedding cake for a gay couple as it is against their religion.
in what context exactly are you referring to?
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Shouldn't all interactions with other people be voluntary?
I wasn't necessarily referencing a specific example.
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If I don't want to deal with someone I should be able to ignore them. I am not advocating violence, but defense could be appropriate depending on the circumstances.
If I don't want to deal with someone I should be able to ignore them. I am not advocating violence, but defense could be appropriate depending on the circumstances.
What are the forced interactions you're ambiguously referencing?
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Shouldn't all interactions with other people be voluntary?
I wasn't necessarily referencing a specific example.
yes, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights.
I would agree with that. But if I voluntarily remove myself from an interaction that is not an infringement to someone else's rights.
For example, the baker, if they don't want to bake that cake for the gay couple then that is their right. It is not the right of the couole to have a cake made for them. They could go to another baker. Nobody has a right to force another person into an association, nobody has the right to another person's labor or services.
Otherwise it is forced and that association is forced.
Shouldn't all interactions with other people be voluntary?
I wasn't necessarily referencing a specific example.
yes, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights.
I would agree with that. But if I voluntarily remove myself from an interaction that is not an infringement to someone else's rights.
For example, the baker, if they don't want to bake that cake for the gay couple then that is their right. It is not the right of the couole to have a cake made for them. They could go to another baker. Nobody has a right to force another person into an association, nobody has the right to another person's labor or services.
Otherwise it is forced and that association is forced.
no, you cannot operate a business and refuse service to someone based on their gender, orientation, race, etc. that's called discrimination. if you don't want to serve everyone, don't start a business. opening a public business you are waiving your right to be a bigot.
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Shouldn't all interactions with other people be voluntary?
I wasn't necessarily referencing a specific example.
yes, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights.
I would agree with that. But if I voluntarily remove myself from an interaction that is not an infringement to someone else's rights.
For example, the baker, if they don't want to bake that cake for the gay couple then that is their right. It is not the right of the couole to have a cake made for them. They could go to another baker. Nobody has a right to force another person into an association, nobody has the right to another person's labor or services.
Otherwise it is forced and that association is forced.
no, you cannot operate a business and refuse service to someone based on their gender, orientation, race, etc. that's called discrimination. if you don't want to serve everyone, don't start a business. opening a public business you are waiving your right to be a bigot.
So by opening a business you are waiving your right to voluntarily associate, is that what you are saying?
And you discriminate on every decision that you make, your definition is a little off.
Shouldn't all interactions with other people be voluntary?
I wasn't necessarily referencing a specific example.
yes, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights.
I would agree with that. But if I voluntarily remove myself from an interaction that is not an infringement to someone else's rights.
For example, the baker, if they don't want to bake that cake for the gay couple then that is their right. It is not the right of the couole to have a cake made for them. They could go to another baker. Nobody has a right to force another person into an association, nobody has the right to another person's labor or services.
Otherwise it is forced and that association is forced.
no, you cannot operate a business and refuse service to someone based on their gender, orientation, race, etc. that's called discrimination. if you don't want to serve everyone, don't start a business. opening a public business you are waiving your right to be a bigot.
So by opening a business you are waiving your right to voluntarily associate, is that what you are saying?
And you discriminate on every decision that you make, your definition is a little off.
Yes, by opening a public business you give up your right to discriminate against groups of people for reasons prohibited by law, including race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. By gaining the benefits of access to the public as clients you give up the right to discriminate against groups of them.
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Shouldn't all interactions with other people be voluntary?
I wasn't necessarily referencing a specific example.
yes, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights.
I would agree with that. But if I voluntarily remove myself from an interaction that is not an infringement to someone else's rights.
For example, the baker, if they don't want to bake that cake for the gay couple then that is their right. It is not the right of the couole to have a cake made for them. They could go to another baker. Nobody has a right to force another person into an association, nobody has the right to another person's labor or services.
Otherwise it is forced and that association is forced.
You can look at anti-discrimination laws as forced if you want, but a business person agrees to the rules beforehand. They chose to start a business and agreed to the rules. If you don't want to serve gays, then don't have a business that serves the public.
Shouldn't all interactions with other people be voluntary?
I wasn't necessarily referencing a specific example.
yes, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights.
I would agree with that. But if I voluntarily remove myself from an interaction that is not an infringement to someone else's rights.
For example, the baker, if they don't want to bake that cake for the gay couple then that is their right. It is not the right of the couole to have a cake made for them. They could go to another baker. Nobody has a right to force another person into an association, nobody has the right to another person's labor or services.
Otherwise it is forced and that association is forced.
no, you cannot operate a business and refuse service to someone based on their gender, orientation, race, etc. that's called discrimination. if you don't want to serve everyone, don't start a business. opening a public business you are waiving your right to be a bigot.
So by opening a business you are waiving your right to voluntarily associate, is that what you are saying?
And you discriminate on every decision that you make, your definition is a little off.
yes, of course.
are you advocating going back to the days of yore when a business would be well within their right to post a sign saying "whites only"?
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
Shouldn't all interactions with other people be voluntary?
I wasn't necessarily referencing a specific example.
yes, as long as it doesn't infringe on someone else's rights.
I would agree with that. But if I voluntarily remove myself from an interaction that is not an infringement to someone else's rights.
For example, the baker, if they don't want to bake that cake for the gay couple then that is their right. It is not the right of the couole to have a cake made for them. They could go to another baker. Nobody has a right to force another person into an association, nobody has the right to another person's labor or services.
Otherwise it is forced and that association is forced.
no, you cannot operate a business and refuse service to someone based on their gender, orientation, race, etc. that's called discrimination. if you don't want to serve everyone, don't start a business. opening a public business you are waiving your right to be a bigot.
So by opening a business you are waiving your right to voluntarily associate, is that what you are saying?
And you discriminate on every decision that you make, your definition is a little off.
yes, of course.
are you advocating going back to the days of yore when a business would be well within their right to post a sign saying "whites only"?
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
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-EV 8/14/93
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The entire history of the World people have migrated over the globe and associated with others that were like minded or whom worked together through trade or other interactions.
Are you saying that this practice should stop and instead have government say who lives where?
Shouldn't association with others remain voluntary?
another context is referring to christians, if they, say, have a cake business, and are "forced" to make a wedding cake for a gay couple as it is against their religion.
in what context exactly are you referring to?
-EV 8/14/93
I wasn't necessarily referencing a specific example.
-EV 8/14/93
Seriously curious to what separates the two.
For example, the baker, if they don't want to bake that cake for the gay couple then that is their right. It is not the right of the couole to have a cake made for them. They could go to another baker. Nobody has a right to force another person into an association, nobody has the right to another person's labor or services.
Otherwise it is forced and that association is forced.
-EV 8/14/93
And you discriminate on every decision that you make, your definition is a little off.
are you advocating going back to the days of yore when a business would be well within their right to post a sign saying "whites only"?
-EV 8/14/93
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