I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
It is amazing how none of you contemplate that Trump's surveillance charge was true and that he has evidence to prove it. I am able to contemplate that he is full of shit yet most of you are completely unable to digest the opposite. There is just zero room for that possibility in your partisan brains. If Trump/Nunes are correct then it blows the narrative apart. 3D chess indeed.
"The leaks are real but the news is fake" may have been the warning.
Do you ever stop to think about the why? If Obama ordered this or knew about it, as trump claimed-sick guy tweet, why wouldn't it have been leaked back when it could have helped Clinton? Because it's spin by the guilty as the coverup begins. Just like Nixon blaming the press for his misdeeds, trump is blaming Obama for his crimes being exposed. Sessions lied. Flynn lied. Whistleblower or leaker? Remember, Obama declassified or classified and shared intelligence in a manner so as to preserve evidence while allowing the investigations to continue. He didn't politicize it. Obama's moral fiber must eat your innards. Particularly after eight years of a mostly scandal free administration. Hillary or Obama in jail yet, comrade?
We are talking about post-election surveillance during the transition period to harm an incoming administration that wasn't expected to win. That is when the intelligence sharing rules were changed to allow for greater dissemination. Try to keep up. Please. It is like you are barely informed of what is being discussed. It is becoming excruciatingly painful.
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
It is amazing how none of you contemplate that Trump's surveillance charge was true and that he has evidence to prove it. I am able to contemplate that he is full of shit yet most of you are completely unable to digest the opposite. There is just zero room for that possibility in your partisan brains. If Trump/Nunes are correct then it blows the narrative apart. 3D chess indeed.
"The leaks are real but the news is fake" may have been the warning.
Do you ever stop to think about the why? If Obama ordered this or knew about it, as trump claimed-sick guy tweet, why wouldn't it have been leaked back when it could have helped Clinton? Because it's spin by the guilty as the coverup begins. Just like Nixon blaming the press for his misdeeds, trump is blaming Obama for his crimes being exposed. Sessions lied. Flynn lied. Whistleblower or leaker? Remember, Obama declassified or classified and shared intelligence in a manner so as to preserve evidence while allowing the investigations to continue. He didn't politicize it. Obama's moral fiber must eat your innards. Particularly after eight years of a mostly scandal free administration. Hillary or Obama in jail yet, comrade?
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
It is amazing how none of you contemplate that Trump's surveillance charge was true and that he has evidence to prove it. I am able to contemplate that he is full of shit yet most of you are completely unable to digest the opposite. There is just zero room for that possibility in your partisan brains. If Trump/Nunes are correct then it blows the narrative apart. 3D chess indeed.
"The leaks are real but the news is fake" may have been the warning.
Do you ever stop to think about the why? If Obama ordered this or knew about it, as trump claimed-sick guy tweet, why wouldn't it have been leaked back when it could have helped Clinton? Because it's spin by the guilty as the coverup begins. Just like Nixon blaming the press for his misdeeds, trump is blaming Obama for his crimes being exposed. Sessions lied. Flynn lied. Whistleblower or leaker? Remember, Obama declassified or classified and shared intelligence in a manner so as to preserve evidence while allowing the investigations to continue. He didn't politicize it. Obama's moral fiber must eat your innards. Particularly after eight years of a mostly scandal free administration. Hillary or Obama in jail yet, comrade?
We are talking about post-election surveillance during the transition period to harm an incoming administration that wasn't expected to win. That is when the intelligence sharing rules were changed to allow for greater dissemination. Try to keep up. Please. It is like you are barely informed of what is being discussed. It is becoming excruciatingly painful.
Oh please. Both campaigns were being investigated in July yet only one was exposed. You act like I'm not keeping up. Please, your theories are not brilliant, comrade.
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
It is amazing how none of you contemplate that Trump's surveillance charge was true and that he has evidence to prove it. I am able to contemplate that he is full of shit yet most of you are completely unable to digest the opposite. There is just zero room for that possibility in your partisan brains. If Trump/Nunes are correct then it blows the narrative apart. 3D chess indeed.
"The leaks are real but the news is fake" may have been the warning.
Do you ever stop to think about the why? If Obama ordered this or knew about it, as trump claimed-sick guy tweet, why wouldn't it have been leaked back when it could have helped Clinton? Because it's spin by the guilty as the coverup begins. Just like Nixon blaming the press for his misdeeds, trump is blaming Obama for his crimes being exposed. Sessions lied. Flynn lied. Whistleblower or leaker? Remember, Obama declassified or classified and shared intelligence in a manner so as to preserve evidence while allowing the investigations to continue. He didn't politicize it. Obama's moral fiber must eat your innards. Particularly after eight years of a mostly scandal free administration. Hillary or Obama in jail yet, comrade?
We are talking about post-election surveillance during the transition period to harm an incoming administration that wasn't expected to win. That is when the intelligence sharing rules were changed to allow for greater dissemination. Try to keep up. Please. It is like you are barely informed of what is being discussed. It is becoming excruciatingly painful.
Now you assume to know "motivation?" Wow. Do you have a direct line to Spicer?
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Oh yeah? He may have to recuse himself? Or else what?
It's called political pressure and your integrity is on the line.. there's no "or else".. Did someone tell Sessions to recuse himself "or else"? No.. he bowed to political pressure.
Oh right...political pressure...that could work...unless he has the evidence to back up his words. If he does then that pressure will fall elsewhere.
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
Your point is full of shit since Comey already said that there is no evidence of Obama illegally ordering a wiretap, and Nunes said today the incidental capture was legal. So your "analysis" makes not a fucking lick of sense. The only part you're right about is that there is no advantage to Trump doing this....full stop.
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Oh yeah? He may have to recuse himself? Or else what?
It's called political pressure and your integrity is on the line.. there's no "or else".. Did someone tell Sessions to recuse himself "or else"? No.. he bowed to political pressure.
Oh right...political pressure...that could work...unless he has the evidence to back up his words. If he does then that pressure will fall elsewhere.
I'm not even trying to be incendiary here at all. I mean that. Seriously. I come in peace.
But what on God's green earth would lead you to believe the Trump camp has evidence to back up more or less anything they say? I don't understand the blind willingness to give them the benefit of the doubt. They've lied, constantly, on all manner of topics large and small.
If Donald Trump told me the sky was blue, I would have to look up to make sure.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
Your point is full of shit since Comey already said that there is no evidence of Obama illegally ordering a wiretap, and Nunes said today the incidental capture was legal. So your "analysis" makes not a fucking lick of sense. The only part you're right about is that there is no advantage to Trump doing this....full stop.
Actually it is your knowledge of the law that is lacking. Names of those not subject to the surveillance warrant cannot be unmasked and disseminated without specific authorization. Nunes is stating that while the capture of the data was legal the unmasking, usage and dissemination was absolutely not. The only other way that behaviour would become legal is if the unmasking, usage and dissemination occurred AFTER Obama made the last minute rule changes just before he left office. If that is the case then you have to wonder if that rule change was intentional. That is what Schiff would call more then circumstantial evidence of a direct link between an Obama action and an abuse of intelligence. Kaboom. Watergate 2.0.
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Oh yeah? He may have to recuse himself? Or else what?
It's called political pressure and your integrity is on the line.. there's no "or else".. Did someone tell Sessions to recuse himself "or else"? No.. he bowed to political pressure.
Oh right...political pressure...that could work...unless he has the evidence to back up his words. If he does then that pressure will fall elsewhere.
I'm not even trying to be incendiary here at all. I mean that. Seriously. I come in peace.
But what on God's green earth would lead you to believe the Trump camp has evidence to back up more or less anything they say? I don't understand the blind willingness to give them the benefit of the doubt. They've lied, constantly, on all manner of topics large and small.
If Donald Trump told me the sky was blue, I would have to look up to make sure.
As I have said before I am open to Trump being full of shit. I am also equally open to people within the Obama administration abusing surveillance powers to harm an incoming administration they oppose. They have abused surveillance powers before. They have a track record. They are not angels. Follow that with the Flynn phone call. The Mexican President phone call. The Australian Prime Minister phone call. Lots of "incidental" surveillance floating around. The AMT used to be outraged by government data collection capabilities. That a government might one day use it against their opponents. Is the AMT suggesting that this behaviour can only possibly occur under a Republican administration?
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
Yea, sure, because the Obama Administration in the waning months decided to go all rogue. You are a hoot.
It must kill you that the radical, black, Muslim, socialist, Kenyan was so squeaky clean?
Follow the money, from Russia with love, all the way to impeachment. It's coming BS no matter how hard you spin or stamp your feet and say it's all Obama's fault. Now compare the above with those that Trump surrounds himself or associates with. Two dots, professor, can you connect them?
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
Your point is full of shit since Comey already said that there is no evidence of Obama illegally ordering a wiretap, and Nunes said today the incidental capture was legal. So your "analysis" makes not a fucking lick of sense. The only part you're right about is that there is no advantage to Trump doing this....full stop.
Actually it is your knowledge of the law that is lacking. Names of those not subject to the surveillance warrant cannot be unmasked and disseminated without specific authorization. Nunes is stating that while the capture of the data was legal the unmasking, usage and dissemination was absolutely not. The only other way that behaviour would become legal is if the unmasking, usage and dissemination occurred AFTER Obama made the last minute rule changes just before he left office. If that is the case then you have to wonder if that rule change was intentional. That is what Schiff would call more then circumstantial evidence of a direct link between an Obama action and an abuse of intelligence. Kaboom. Watergate 2.0.
You are missing an important point.. the only 'crime' that could have been committed here is the revealing of the Flynn issue to a reporter. This presumably happened AFTER Jan 20th. The fact that members of the intelligence community knew that Flynn was picked up in surveillance would not have been illegal to have that information for those with top secret intelligence access. Unmasking within the intelligence community IS NOT ILLEGAL. There should be a clear purpose, but it is not a crime.
So if the revealing to the reporter happened after inauguration, it was likely by a career official. It's possible it was a political appointee, but I guess we will find out. Either way, Scooter Libby did something similar during teh Bush administration, as you well know, and that was not Watergate 2.0 was it? Was Bush impeached? So I'm trying to figure out how Obama gets impeached out of this scenario. Oh wait.. he can't. Therefore by definition.. not Watergate 2.0.
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Oh yeah? He may have to recuse himself? Or else what?
It's called political pressure and your integrity is on the line.. there's no "or else".. Did someone tell Sessions to recuse himself "or else"? No.. he bowed to political pressure.
Oh right...political pressure...that could work...unless he has the evidence to back up his words. If he does then that pressure will fall elsewhere.
I'm not even trying to be incendiary here at all. I mean that. Seriously. I come in peace.
But what on God's green earth would lead you to believe the Trump camp has evidence to back up more or less anything they say? I don't understand the blind willingness to give them the benefit of the doubt. They've lied, constantly, on all manner of topics large and small.
If Donald Trump told me the sky was blue, I would have to look up to make sure.
As I have said before I am open to Trump being full of shit.
Well at least you're open-minded.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
Yea, sure, because the Obama Administration in the waning months decided to go all rogue. You are a hoot.
It must kill you that the radical, black, Muslim, socialist, Kenyan was so squeaky clean?
Follow the money, from Russia with love, all the way to impeachment. It's coming BS no matter how hard you spin or stamp your feet and say it's all Obama's fault. Now compare the above with those that Trump surrounds himself or associates with. Two dots, professor, can you connect them?
When you call someone a racist it cheapens you on here. Your arguments begin to lose weight. People stop taking you seriously. They laugh at you. What is sad though is that it also makes it difficult to call out real racism where it exists. People start to ignore real racism because they are tired of the vomitous "I don't like what you say so you must hate black muslim kenyan blah blah blah". Your words have actual harm. Those are the dots I can connect.
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
Yea, sure, because the Obama Administration in the waning months decided to go all rogue. You are a hoot.
It must kill you that the radical, black, Muslim, socialist, Kenyan was so squeaky clean?
Follow the money, from Russia with love, all the way to impeachment. It's coming BS no matter how hard you spin or stamp your feet and say it's all Obama's fault. Now compare the above with those that Trump surrounds himself or associates with. Two dots, professor, can you connect them?
When you call someone a racist it cheapens you on here. Your arguments begin to lose weight. People stop taking you seriously. They laugh at you. What is sad though is that it also makes it difficult to call out real racism where it exists. People start to ignore real racism because they are tired of the vomitous "I don't like what you say so you must hate black muslim kenyan blah blah blah". Your words have actual harm. Those are the dots I can connect.
And yet you posit Obama violated the law, an impeachable offense yet can't fathom that Trump and his ilk could be capable of the same. Why is that, professor. Despite the overwhelming evidence on both my points. Why one but not the other, professor? Why are you comfortable with Trump's ridiculous tweet that tarnishes Obama's reputation but yet give Trump and his history of malfeasance a pass? Why is that, professor?
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
Yea, sure, because the Obama Administration in the waning months decided to go all rogue. You are a hoot.
It must kill you that the radical, black, Muslim, socialist, Kenyan was so squeaky clean?
Follow the money, from Russia with love, all the way to impeachment. It's coming BS no matter how hard you spin or stamp your feet and say it's all Obama's fault. Now compare the above with those that Trump surrounds himself or associates with. Two dots, professor, can you connect them?
When you call someone a racist it cheapens you on here. Your arguments begin to lose weight. People stop taking you seriously. They laugh at you. What is sad though is that it also makes it difficult to call out real racism where it exists. People start to ignore real racism because they are tired of the vomitous "I don't like what you say so you must hate black muslim kenyan blah blah blah". Your words have actual harm. Those are the dots I can connect.
Your preferred candidate promoted that line of thinking repeatedly for years, professor. And you're defending him to this day. So yea, I call it as I see it. I guess the truth hurts.
Sounds like Nunes has shared info with the White House before it was shared in committee. That has caused Schiff to talk about an independent investigation. Nunes has really fucked this up, because people aren't buying his bullshit anymore. First he was more concerned about the leaks than the Trump/Russia collusion. Now he's actively subverting the process. And now Schiff is saying that the evidence they've seen for the collusion goes beyond circumstantial: "I don’t want to go into specifics, but I will say that there is evidence that is not circumstantial and is very much worthy of investigation." Fuck Trump.
This isn't subverting the process. If the President and/or his people are being illegally unmasked by the Obama admin and/or Obama admin holdovers to create public chaos then there are national security implications and the President needs to know immediately. There is no rule that info has to go to Schiff first. The other shoe is dropping.
What Nunes did might not be illegal (although leaking might be). Probably unethical. Certainly highly irregular. He doesn't work for the Trump administration. He heads an important committee in a separate and independent branch of the government. You may not consider yourself a Trump supporter but you spend an inordinate amount of time defending his (and his supporters') bad behavior.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
Your point is full of shit since Comey already said that there is no evidence of Obama illegally ordering a wiretap, and Nunes said today the incidental capture was legal. So your "analysis" makes not a fucking lick of sense. The only part you're right about is that there is no advantage to Trump doing this....full stop.
Actually it is your knowledge of the law that is lacking. Names of those not subject to the surveillance warrant cannot be unmasked and disseminated without specific authorization. Nunes is stating that while the capture of the data was legal the unmasking, usage and dissemination was absolutely not. The only other way that behaviour would become legal is if the unmasking, usage and dissemination occurred AFTER Obama made the last minute rule changes just before he left office. If that is the case then you have to wonder if that rule change was intentional. That is what Schiff would call more then circumstantial evidence of a direct link between an Obama action and an abuse of intelligence. Kaboom. Watergate 2.0.
You are missing an important point.. the only 'crime' that could have been committed here is the revealing of the Flynn issue to a reporter. This presumably happened AFTER Jan 20th. The fact that members of the intelligence community knew that Flynn was picked up in surveillance would not have been illegal to have that information for those with top secret intelligence access. Unmasking within the intelligence community IS NOT ILLEGAL. There should be a clear purpose, but it is not a crime.
So if the revealing to the reporter happened after inauguration, it was likely by a career official. It's possible it was a political appointee, but I guess we will find out. Either way, Scooter Libby did something similar during teh Bush administration, as you well know, and that was not Watergate 2.0 was it? Was Bush impeached? So I'm trying to figure out how Obama gets impeached out of this scenario. Oh wait.. he can't. Therefore by definition.. not Watergate 2.0.
Oh please don't make me go into Scooter Libby again. Please. Please. Libby was charged with perjury. He was not the leaker. Richard Armitage was the leaker. He was not charged because he committed no crime. Revealing her name did not turn out to be a crime. Shhh. I know. We're not supposed to talk about Armitage.
Now I shall never discuss that again.
As for the rest of your post you are missing what now "might" be a second crime. Again Nunes was vague but he suggested that additional incidental surveillance was included in intelligence reports with subjects names unmasked. These names should not have been in these reports and these reports should not have been widely disseminated. There is also the massive question as to what made this surveillance legal if it had nothing to do with Russia? What were these warrants about? Were there even warrants at all? Was the Obama administration intentionally casting a wide net to trap Trump in anything they could find? If this is what occurred then it puts the previous administration in a terrible light. There will of course be no impeachement...that is not the goal...but those who abused the surveillance process will have to be prosecuted. It is government abuse of surveillance that makes it Watergate 2.0...impeachment will not be necessary.
Addendum - based on the "wire tapped Trump Tower" tweet and based on the vague Nunes comments I wonder how the type of phone system that runs lines all through Trump Tower apply under the law. According to Nunes the new material has nothing to do with Russia but maybe FISA granted a warrant to listen to someone who worked within Trump Tower and via that warrant can actually gather info on any individual who lives/works within the tower. This is where technology and the law intersect and there is theoretically a way where intelligence can "legally" look at more then they really should. Just a thought.
I think Nunes fucked Trump today. And Trump and others are too stupid to understand that. 3D chess indeed.
I agree. It makes it more likely that Nunes will have to agree to an independent prosecutor because he may have to recuse himself. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but the juice was not worth the squeeze, that's for sure.
Yup. I personally don't think that was his intention. I think he was a good little lap dog and ran to his master to get a treat. Major fuck-up.
BS, how are you going to spin this? It's OK, you can have the usual day or 2 to come up with the spin.
Spin what? That it's "a major fuck-up"? Says who? What it sounds like is mass panic that Nunes has the goods. If he in fact has the goods then there will be nothing to spin. The evidence will speak for itself.
You still think this is a potential win, that Trump and the gang are playing 3D chess.
You need to start thinking of this like checkers. I will give you time, you can figure it out.
We have now had headlines declaring "no wire tapping" and are about to get evidence of surveillance. It is a win when the #resistance loses. Follow that with the prosecution of leakers which Comey said he takes very seriously and that those who did so are subject to 10 years in prison. This whole thing could be one massive counter intelligence operation to nail the law breakers. Abusing intelligence collection is a crime. 3D chess.
This is already a lost issue for Trump. Picking a fight with the former president makes no strategic sense, unless you are trying to create a distraction. You are trying to pass your budget, get Gorsuch approved and pass the health care bill which is taking a lot of political capital. Why in the world does this make sense for Trump?
I'm not even going to remind you that the tweet was false on its face... he used the words "illegal" and "Obama". Comey has said that no such thing is true. Nunes even said today that it was incidental and legal. Why is accuracy and precision suddenly so difficult for you in the last 60 days?
There you go again not contemplating alternative possibilities. You are right that picking a fight with a former President is absolutely dumb...unless the former President's people were/are actively spying on you and selectively leaking to undermine everything you do. In that case fuck it...go on offense and hammer every single one of those turds to the wall. Laws must be followed and if Obama officials were breaking them they need to be prosecuted. #lockthemup
Your point is full of shit since Comey already said that there is no evidence of Obama illegally ordering a wiretap, and Nunes said today the incidental capture was legal. So your "analysis" makes not a fucking lick of sense. The only part you're right about is that there is no advantage to Trump doing this....full stop.
Actually it is your knowledge of the law that is lacking. Names of those not subject to the surveillance warrant cannot be unmasked and disseminated without specific authorization. Nunes is stating that while the capture of the data was legal the unmasking, usage and dissemination was absolutely not. The only other way that behaviour would become legal is if the unmasking, usage and dissemination occurred AFTER Obama made the last minute rule changes just before he left office. If that is the case then you have to wonder if that rule change was intentional. That is what Schiff would call more then circumstantial evidence of a direct link between an Obama action and an abuse of intelligence. Kaboom. Watergate 2.0.
You are missing an important point.. the only 'crime' that could have been committed here is the revealing of the Flynn issue to a reporter. This presumably happened AFTER Jan 20th. The fact that members of the intelligence community knew that Flynn was picked up in surveillance would not have been illegal to have that information for those with top secret intelligence access. Unmasking within the intelligence community IS NOT ILLEGAL. There should be a clear purpose, but it is not a crime.
So if the revealing to the reporter happened after inauguration, it was likely by a career official. It's possible it was a political appointee, but I guess we will find out. Either way, Scooter Libby did something similar during teh Bush administration, as you well know, and that was not Watergate 2.0 was it? Was Bush impeached? So I'm trying to figure out how Obama gets impeached out of this scenario. Oh wait.. he can't. Therefore by definition.. not Watergate 2.0.
Oh please don't make me go into Scooter Libby again. Please. Please. Libby was charged with perjury. He was not the leaker. Richard Armitage was the leaker. He was not charged because he committed no crime. Revealing her name did not turn out to be a crime. Shhh. I know. We're not supposed to talk about Armitage.
Now I shall never discuss that again.
As for the rest of your post you are missing what now "might" be a second crime. Again Nunes was vague but he suggested that additional incidental surveillance was included in intelligence reports with subjects names unmasked. These names should not have been in these reports and these reports should not have been widely disseminated. There is also the massive question as to what made this surveillance legal if it had nothing to do with Russia? What were these warrants about? Were there even warrants at all? Was the Obama administration intentionally casting a wide net to trap Trump in anything they could find? If this is what occurred then it puts the previous administration in a terrible light. There will of course be no impeachement...that is not the goal...but those who abused the surveillance process will have to be prosecuted. It is government abuse of surveillance that makes it Watergate 2.0...impeachment will not be necessary.
Addendum - based on the "wire tapped Trump Tower" tweet and based on the vague Nunes comments I wonder how the type of phone system that runs lines all through Trump Tower apply under the law. According to Nunes the new material has nothing to do with Russia but maybe FISA granted a warrant to listen to someone who worked within Trump Tower and via that warrant can actually gather info on any individual who lives/works within the tower. This is where technology and the law intersect and there is theoretically a way where intelligence can "legally" look at more then they really should. Just a thought.
I guarantee, 100 percent, you've put far more thought into all this than Trump, Nunes or anybody else. Maybe they should hire you.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
Sounds like Nunes has shared info with the White House before it was shared in committee. That has caused Schiff to talk about an independent investigation. Nunes has really fucked this up, because people aren't buying his bullshit anymore. First he was more concerned about the leaks than the Trump/Russia collusion. Now he's actively subverting the process. And now Schiff is saying that the evidence they've seen for the collusion goes beyond circumstantial: "I don’t want to go into specifics, but I will say that there is evidence that is not circumstantial and is very much worthy of investigation." Fuck Trump.
This isn't subverting the process. If the President and/or his people are being illegally unmasked by the Obama admin and/or Obama admin holdovers to create public chaos then there are national security implications and the President needs to know immediately. There is no rule that info has to go to Schiff first. The other shoe is dropping.
What Nunes did might not be illegal (although leaking might be). Probably unethical. Certainly highly irregular. He doesn't work for the Trump administration. He heads an important committee in a separate and independent branch of the government. You may not consider yourself a Trump supporter but you spend an inordinate amount of time defending his (and his supporters') bad behavior.
Sorry but I think your analysis of Nunes is an emotional response. What makes showing evidence to Trump illegal, unethical, and/or irregular? Trump has the highest classification and is entitled to see it. It would actually be unethical to withhold it from him. Sharing evidence with Trump that Nunes will also share with his committee doesn't make him any less able to do his job. It as if you are all mad that there might be information to back up Trump's claim. I mean god forbid Trump is right! We can't have that! And if at a minimum he is right he shouldn't know! And definitely the public shouldn't know either!
My point on Libbie or Armitage is that there was anactualactual leak and public unmasking by Novak and yet it wasn't Watergate for the sitting president. So this is hardly watergate for Obama.
And yes, great question you raised. Why were the Trump people talking to people who were under legal surveillance unaffiliated with Russians? That can't be good for Trump. Hard to believe they want that in the public view.
No matter how you slice it, this isn't good for Trump. Even people like Krauthammer or Goldberg aren't making that silly argument.
The irony of a trump supporter crying "Obama Obama Obama" as the noose gets tighter around Herr Trump's fat neck is so rich, and not at all unexpected or surprising.
I have a feeling it's going to be a wild few weeks here in the US.
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But what on God's green earth would lead you to believe the Trump camp has evidence to back up more or less anything they say? I don't understand the blind willingness to give them the benefit of the doubt. They've lied, constantly, on all manner of topics large and small.
If Donald Trump told me the sky was blue, I would have to look up to make sure.
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(quoted you twice here lol)
Mother should I trust the government?
NO!!!
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/1/11/1619079/-Comparing-Presidential-Administrations-by-Arrests-and-Convictions-A-Warning-for-Trump-Appointees
It must kill you that the radical, black, Muslim, socialist, Kenyan was so squeaky clean?
Follow the money, from Russia with love, all the way to impeachment. It's coming BS no matter how hard you spin or stamp your feet and say it's all Obama's fault. Now compare the above with those that Trump surrounds himself or associates with. Two dots, professor, can you connect them?
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So if the revealing to the reporter happened after inauguration, it was likely by a career official. It's possible it was a political appointee, but I guess we will find out. Either way, Scooter Libby did something similar during teh Bush administration, as you well know, and that was not Watergate 2.0 was it? Was Bush impeached? So I'm trying to figure out how Obama gets impeached out of this scenario. Oh wait.. he can't. Therefore by definition.. not Watergate 2.0.
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Now I shall never discuss that again.
As for the rest of your post you are missing what now "might" be a second crime. Again Nunes was vague but he suggested that additional incidental surveillance was included in intelligence reports with subjects names unmasked. These names should not have been in these reports and these reports should not have been widely disseminated. There is also the massive question as to what made this surveillance legal if it had nothing to do with Russia? What were these warrants about? Were there even warrants at all? Was the Obama administration intentionally casting a wide net to trap Trump in anything they could find? If this is what occurred then it puts the previous administration in a terrible light. There will of course be no impeachement...that is not the goal...but those who abused the surveillance process will have to be prosecuted. It is government abuse of surveillance that makes it Watergate 2.0...impeachment will not be necessary.
Addendum - based on the "wire tapped Trump Tower" tweet and based on the vague Nunes comments I wonder how the type of phone system that runs lines all through Trump Tower apply under the law. According to Nunes the new material has nothing to do with Russia but maybe FISA granted a warrant to listen to someone who worked within Trump Tower and via that warrant can actually gather info on any individual who lives/works within the tower. This is where technology and the law intersect and there is theoretically a way where intelligence can "legally" look at more then they really should. Just a thought.
for the least they could possibly do
And yes, great question you raised. Why were the Trump people talking to people who were under legal surveillance unaffiliated with Russians? That can't be good for Trump. Hard to believe they want that in the public view.
No matter how you slice it, this isn't good for Trump. Even people like Krauthammer or Goldberg aren't making that silly argument.
The irony of a trump supporter crying "Obama Obama Obama" as the noose gets tighter around Herr Trump's fat neck is so rich, and not at all unexpected or surprising.
I have a feeling it's going to be a wild few weeks here in the US.
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