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  • ^^^
    All Presidents say God Bless America.
    Just as scary.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,435

    ^^^
    All Presidents say God Bless America.
    Just as scary.

    Not even close, in my opinion.
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  • ^^^
    A POTUS has to be religious right?
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,435

    ^^^
    A POTUS has to be religious right?

    Um....no.

    I'm a strong believer in separation of church & state.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,793
    mfc2006 said:

    ^^^
    A POTUS has to be religious right?

    Um....no.

    I'm a strong believer in separation of church & state.
    Generally, most republicans use religion as part of their platform and presidency. Not as common for any other party.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited February 2017
    mfc2006 said:

    ^^^
    A POTUS has to be religious right?

    Um....no.

    I'm a strong believer in separation of church & state.
    So even if a POTUS was not religious they would still have to swear on a bible and say god bless America often after speeches though right?
  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited February 2017
    Just to add to H2Ms comment about the lords prayer etc.
    All religion is scary not just President Trump
    Your President prays out loud and in public.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,435

    mfc2006 said:

    ^^^
    A POTUS has to be religious right?

    Um....no.

    I'm a strong believer in separation of church & state.
    So even if a POTUS was not religious they would still have to swear on a bible and say god bless America often after speeches though right?
    The Bible is a bit of a tradition, I'll give you that. I imagine that someone could opt out of that, but I doubt that any candidate would want to be the one to break that tradition.

    Regarding your other point, not all president say that all the time. That is their choice.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited February 2017
    mfc2006 said:

    mfc2006 said:

    ^^^
    A POTUS has to be religious right?

    Um....no.

    I'm a strong believer in separation of church & state.
    So even if a POTUS was not religious they would still have to swear on a bible and say god bless America often after speeches though right?
    The Bible is a bit of a tradition, I'll give you that. I imagine that someone could opt out of that, but I doubt that any candidate would want to be the one to break that tradition.

    Regarding your other point, not all president say that all the time. That is their choice.
    Tradition?....
    Leads to my point, what POTUS will step up and say "no thanks" to swearing on the bible if they truly are not a believer.
    Until that happens one can only assume that they are religious.
    As to your other point I am far too lazy to research what POTUS has never said god bless America although something tells me the research might be quick and easy.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,435

    mfc2006 said:

    mfc2006 said:

    ^^^
    A POTUS has to be religious right?

    Um....no.

    I'm a strong believer in separation of church & state.
    So even if a POTUS was not religious they would still have to swear on a bible and say god bless America often after speeches though right?
    The Bible is a bit of a tradition, I'll give you that. I imagine that someone could opt out of that, but I doubt that any candidate would want to be the one to break that tradition.

    Regarding your other point, not all president say that all the time. That is their choice.
    Tradition?....
    Leads to my point, what POTUS will step up and say "no thanks" to swearing on the bible if they truly are not a believer.
    Until that happens one can only assume that they are religious.
    As to your other point I am far too lazy to research what POTUS has never said god bless America although something tells me the research might be quick and easy.
    It must be so amazing to have the answers to everything & to never be wrong.

    Religious or not, Trump is a fucking disgrace. That is my opinion and no amount of your bs replies will ever change my opinion.
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  • mfc2006 said:

    mfc2006 said:

    mfc2006 said:

    ^^^
    A POTUS has to be religious right?

    Um....no.

    I'm a strong believer in separation of church & state.
    So even if a POTUS was not religious they would still have to swear on a bible and say god bless America often after speeches though right?
    The Bible is a bit of a tradition, I'll give you that. I imagine that someone could opt out of that, but I doubt that any candidate would want to be the one to break that tradition.

    Regarding your other point, not all president say that all the time. That is their choice.
    Tradition?....
    Leads to my point, what POTUS will step up and say "no thanks" to swearing on the bible if they truly are not a believer.
    Until that happens one can only assume that they are religious.
    As to your other point I am far too lazy to research what POTUS has never said god bless America although something tells me the research might be quick and easy.
    It must be so amazing to have the answers to everything & to never be wrong.

    Religious or not, Trump is a fucking disgrace. That is my opinion and no amount of your bs replies will ever change my opinion.
    Well since he is now the ruler of all states separate yourself for a second.
    Is President Trump a fucking disgraceful Catholic or just a disgrace?
    Either way President Trump is an in your face Catholic.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,435

    mfc2006 said:

    mfc2006 said:

    mfc2006 said:

    ^^^
    A POTUS has to be religious right?

    Um....no.

    I'm a strong believer in separation of church & state.
    So even if a POTUS was not religious they would still have to swear on a bible and say god bless America often after speeches though right?
    The Bible is a bit of a tradition, I'll give you that. I imagine that someone could opt out of that, but I doubt that any candidate would want to be the one to break that tradition.

    Regarding your other point, not all president say that all the time. That is their choice.
    Tradition?....
    Leads to my point, what POTUS will step up and say "no thanks" to swearing on the bible if they truly are not a believer.
    Until that happens one can only assume that they are religious.
    As to your other point I am far too lazy to research what POTUS has never said god bless America although something tells me the research might be quick and easy.
    It must be so amazing to have the answers to everything & to never be wrong.

    Religious or not, Trump is a fucking disgrace. That is my opinion and no amount of your bs replies will ever change my opinion.
    Well since he is now the ruler of all states separate yourself for a second.
    Is President Trump a fucking disgraceful Catholic or just a disgrace?
    Either way President Trump is an in your face Catholic.
    Separate myself? I already said that I was a firm believer in the separation of church & state. You should read my comments before you attempt to stir the pot again.

    I don't care what his religious beliefs are. He's a flat out fucking disgrace. Is that clear enough for you?

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  • ^^^
    You should care about his religious beliefs.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,793

    mfc2006 said:

    mfc2006 said:

    mfc2006 said:

    ^^^
    A POTUS has to be religious right?

    Um....no.

    I'm a strong believer in separation of church & state.
    So even if a POTUS was not religious they would still have to swear on a bible and say god bless America often after speeches though right?
    The Bible is a bit of a tradition, I'll give you that. I imagine that someone could opt out of that, but I doubt that any candidate would want to be the one to break that tradition.

    Regarding your other point, not all president say that all the time. That is their choice.
    Tradition?....
    Leads to my point, what POTUS will step up and say "no thanks" to swearing on the bible if they truly are not a believer.
    Until that happens one can only assume that they are religious.
    As to your other point I am far too lazy to research what POTUS has never said god bless America although something tells me the research might be quick and easy.
    It must be so amazing to have the answers to everything & to never be wrong.

    Religious or not, Trump is a fucking disgrace. That is my opinion and no amount of your bs replies will ever change my opinion.
    Well since he is now the ruler of all states separate yourself for a second.
    Is President Trump a fucking disgraceful Catholic or just a disgrace?
    Either way President Trump is an in your face Catholic.
    Are your posts disgraceful or are you just being a disgraceful troll?
    Either way you're a troll who's in your face.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mfc2006mfc2006 Posts: 37,435

    ^^^
    You should care about his religious beliefs.

    I wish this forum had a block feature on it.

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    The president of the university Conway attended is being vocal with public criticism of her tendency to play fast and loose with facts. Fair comment or out of bounds? Note that the president does not appear to criticize the policy decisions of the Trump administration per se, just the use of falsehoods.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/02/17/a-university-takes-on-one-of-its-own-alumna-kellyanne-conway/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw14&wpmm=1
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  • ^^^
    You should care about his religious beliefs.

    Trump. The man who magically becomes a Christian when he decides to run for President.

    IF Trump is a Christian, he's as bad at being one as Obama was at being a Muslim.
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,793

    ^^^
    You should care about his religious beliefs.

    Trump. The man who magically becomes a Christian when he decides to run for President.

    IF Trump is a Christian, he's as bad at being one as Obama was at being a Muslim.
    Hahaha! Excellent analogy.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Unfortunately, any US presidential candidate who didn't publicly declare their belief in God wouldn't win their party's nomination, nevermind be elected. If you can't profess some kind of faith, you don't stand a chance. Too bad as I think religious beliefs should be strictly personal and private. Nobodies business and don't mean jack.

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  • PJfanwillneverleave1PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited February 2017
    or not
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,464

    mfc2006 said:

    mfc2006 said:

    mfc2006 said:

    ^^^
    A POTUS has to be religious right?

    Um....no.

    I'm a strong believer in separation of church & state.
    So even if a POTUS was not religious they would still have to swear on a bible and say god bless America often after speeches though right?
    The Bible is a bit of a tradition, I'll give you that. I imagine that someone could opt out of that, but I doubt that any candidate would want to be the one to break that tradition.

    Regarding your other point, not all president say that all the time. That is their choice.
    Tradition?....
    Leads to my point, what POTUS will step up and say "no thanks" to swearing on the bible if they truly are not a believer.
    Until that happens one can only assume that they are religious.
    As to your other point I am far too lazy to research what POTUS has never said god bless America although something tells me the research might be quick and easy.
    It must be so amazing to have the answers to everything & to never be wrong.

    Religious or not, Trump is a fucking disgrace. That is my opinion and no amount of your bs replies will ever change my opinion.
    Well since he is now the ruler of all states separate yourself for a second.
    Is President Trump a fucking disgraceful Catholic or just a disgrace?
    Either way President Trump is an in your face Catholic.
    Both and then some !!!
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,464
    mfc2006 said:

    ^^^
    You should care about his religious beliefs.

    I wish this forum had a block feature on it.

    I don't think there is one ?
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  • my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Did bafoon lead off his rally yesterday with a prayer?

    He's really setting the hook on those southern bible belters lol

    #conman
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,464
    my2hands said:

    Did bafoon lead off his rally yesterday with a prayer?

    He's really setting the hook on those southern bible belters lol

    #conman

    I'm sure he prays before dinner too lol the biggest con artist to ever be president , bafoon bafoon bafoon bafoon bafoon bafoon bafoon man that felt great !!!
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,464
    John McCain: Attacking The Free Press Is 'How Dictators Get Started' - The Huffington Post
    https://apple.news/AZJJXYztdQrm80OnjQyAC0w

    Keep on letting bafoon have free reign these should be really bright red flags waving in everyone's faces !!!!
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,464
    How many dead from yesterday's terrorist attack in Sweden I can't find any info on casualties anyone ?
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  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336

    How many dead from yesterday's terrorist attack in Sweden I can't find any info on casualties anyone ?

    The lying, FAKE, failing media won't tell us! SAD!
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    dignin said:

    How many dead from yesterday's terrorist attack in Sweden I can't find any info on casualties anyone ?

    The lying, FAKE, failing media won't tell us! SAD!
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,748

    How many dead from yesterday's terrorist attack in Sweden I can't find any info on casualties anyone ?

    #SwedenStrong
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,748
    edited February 2017
    RYME said:

    my2hands said:

    RYME said:

    my2hands said:

    Loved his press conference yesterday. He's sticking to the campaign promises and telling the media to fuck off. He's going to do what he said he would whether they're in bed with him or not... love that shit. Gotta love a guy who stands by his word, totally different than many of the clowns we've all grown up with. Normally they get elected and it's honeymoon period for a month or so, this dude just goes to work. I feel you have to respect a doer whether you agree with his principles or not, it's awesome to see govt not just blowing hot air and doing nothing.

    THAT'S what you got out of that mess? lol
    And he is not interested in making a big deal about filling out college brackets with 200 tv cameras rolling.
    He is actually there to serve.
    the only thing he is serving is a turd sandwich with a side of borscht lol

    If we wanted to help the country so much maybe Mr Silver Spoon Billionaire should have paid his taxes the last 20 years. Oh that's right, he's a "genius" for shafting his beloved country

    This guy is one hell of a conman... I will give him that
    We had an 8 year, all you can eat buffet of crap.
    Must read....

    A Trump supporting Facebook friend told Scott Mednick, “We suffered for eight years. Now it’s your turn.

    Scott wrote a brilliant response asking how exactly his friend had suffered under Obama:

    “I am surprised you would wish suffering upon me. That of course is your right, I suppose. I do not wish harm on anyone. Your statement seems to continue the ‘US v THEM’ mentality. The election is over. It is important to get past campaigning and campaign rhetoric and get down to what is uniting, not dividing and what is best for
    ALL Americans.
    There will never be a President who does everything to everyone’s liking. There are things President Obama (and President Clinton) did that I do not like and conversely there are things I can point to that the Presidents Bush did that I agree with. So I am not 100% in lock step with the outgoing President but have supported him and the overall job he did.
    And, if you recall, during the Presidential Campaign back in 2008 the campaign was halted because of the “historic crisis in our financial system.” Wall Street bailout negotiations intervened in the election process. The very sobering reality was that there likely could be a Depression and the world financial markets could collapse. The United States was losing 800,000 jobs a month and was poised to lose at least 10 million jobs the first year once the new President took office. We were in an economic free-fall. So let us recall that ALL of America was suffering terribly at the beginning of
    Obama’s Presidency.
    But I wanted to look back over the last 8 years and ask you a few questions. Since much of the rhetoric before Obama was elected was that he would impose Sharia Law, Take Away Your Guns, Create Death Panels, Destroy the Economy, Impose Socialism and, since you will agree that NONE of this came to pass,
    I was wondering:
    Why have you suffered so?
    So let me ask:
    Gays and Lesbians can now marry and enjoy the benefits they had been deprived of. Has this caused your suffering?
    When Obama took office, the Dow was 6,626. Now it is 19,875. Has this caused your suffering?
    We had 82 straight months of private sector job growth – the longest streak in the history of the United States. Has this caused
    your suffering?
    Especially considering where he the economy was when he took over, an amazing 11.3 million new jobs were created under President Obama (far more than President Bush). Has this caused
    your suffering?
    Obama has taken Unemployment from 10% down to 4.7%. Has this caused your suffering?
    Homelessness among US Veterans has dropped by half. Has this caused your suffering?
    Obama shut down the US secret overseas prisons. Has this caused your suffering?
    President Obama has created a policy for the families of fallen soldiers to have their travel paid for to be there when remains are flown home. Has this caused your suffering?
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    He passed the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act. Has this caused your suffering?
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    People are now covered for pre-existing conditions. Has this caused your suffering?
    Insurance Premiums increased an average of $4,677 from 2002-2008, an increase of 58% under Bush. The growth of these
    insurance premiums has gone up $4,145 – a slower rate of increase. Has this caused your suffering?
    Obama added Billions of dollars to mental health care for our Veterans. Has this caused your suffering?
    Consumer confidence has gone from 37.7 to 98.1 during Obama’s tenure. Has this caused your suffering?
    He passed the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act. Has this caused
    your suffering?
    His bi-annual Nuclear Summit convinced 16 countries to give up and destroy all their loose nuclear material so it could not be stolen. Has this caused your suffering?
    He saved the US Auto industry. American cars sold at the beginning of his term were 10.4M and upon his exit 17.5M. Has this caused your suffering?
    The deficit as a percentage of the GDP has gone from 9.8% to 3.2%. Has this caused your suffering?
    The deficit itself was cut by $800 Billion Dollars. Has this caused
    your suffering?
    Obama preserved the middle class tax cuts. Has this caused
    your suffering?
    Obama banned solitary confinement for juveniles in federal prisons. Has this caused your suffering?
    He signed Credit Card reform so that rates could not be raised without you being notified. Has this caused your suffering?
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    Abortion is down. Has this caused your suffering?
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    From an objective standpoint it would appear that the last eight years have seen some great progress and we were saved from a financial collapse. Things are not perfect. Things can always be better. We are on much better footing now than we were in 2008.
    I look forward to understanding what caused you to suffer so much under Obama these last eight years.”

    http://politicaldig.com/poor-suffering-trumpsters-just-got-owned/
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