yes, all crimes have a basis of hate or anger in them. but the purpose of a hate crime charge is because the crime was perpetrated on someone because of their appearance, race, ethnicity, belief system, etc. basically I'm going to beat the fuck out of you for no reason at all. I'm not mad at you as a person, I don't want your wallet, I just hate the colour of your skin or the fact you just walked out of a mosque or you are are a trump supporter.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
only a libtard social justice warrior would say that isn't a hate crime. Do you think it would have taken that long and it was j-boy and not w-boy the perps were shouting? Rahm and the media would have made sure the appropriate charges were leveled in a TIMELY manner.
Absolutely fucking disgusting. Hopefully these 4 animals never walk the streets again.
Highly unlikely. Even if they try them as adults under hate crime statutes, realistically at the most severe end they'd be free and clear by their mid - late twenties. I doubt they are tried as adults though.
Absolutely fucking disgusting. Hopefully these 4 animals never walk the streets again.
Highly unlikely. Even if they try them as adults under hate crime statutes, realistically at the most severe end they'd be free and clear by their mid - late twenties. I doubt they are tried as adults though.
3 are 18 and 1 is 24. Why wouldn't they be tried as adults?
"Police declined to give the race of the attackers or the victim. In the video and mugshots released by authorities Thursday, the attackers appear black; the victim in the video appears to be white."
Seriously!?! Just saw they were Black and the victim is White.
agreed. hiding this shit that we all know will come out anyway is dangerous. just fucking put it out there. "these are the facts of the case".
Well, the media has to be careful with how they identify individuals' race and other such characteristics. The court can sort that part out.
And HFD, I believe you were among those arguing that race is not based on any scientifically provable differences in people (which is agree with, but just pointing that out).
The media should concern itself with facts, not try to be careful about how they obfuscate or frame things. Are you a proponent of hate crime statutes as they relate to race? If not, then I get that, since I tend to agree with Hedo and think all crimes of violence have a seed of hate. But if you are a proponent, but can't use race as a factor since it doesn't exist, then how do you reconcile that?
Good question (your last point) but more than I can reply to on my phone in the time I have at work, so more later. Right now I'll just say that my point was that I can understand why the media is cautious about identifying people by race. It's a minefield for them.
Absolutely fucking disgusting. Hopefully these 4 animals never walk the streets again.
Highly unlikely. Even if they try them as adults under hate crime statutes, realistically at the most severe end they'd be free and clear by their mid - late twenties. I doubt they are tried as adults though.
3 are 18 and 1 is 24. Why wouldn't they be tried as adults?
Ok. I didn't catch their ages. Saw the teens headline so I wasn't sure. Fair enough, all adults.
only a libtard social justice warrior would say that isn't a hate crime. Do you think it would have taken that long and it was j-boy and not w-boy the perps were shouting? Rahm and the media would have made sure the appropriate charges were leveled in a TIMELY manner.
I don't even know what you're implying in your first paragraph, nor do I want to think too hard about it.
For your second, less than 24 hours isn't timely enough for you?
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"Police declined to give the race of the attackers or the victim. In the video and mugshots released by authorities Thursday, the attackers appear black; the victim in the video appears to be white."
Seriously!?! Just saw they were Black and the victim is White.
agreed. hiding this shit that we all know will come out anyway is dangerous. just fucking put it out there. "these are the facts of the case".
Well, the media has to be careful with how they identify individuals' race and other such characteristics. The court can sort that part out.
And HFD, I believe you were among those arguing that race is not based on any scientifically provable differences in people (which is agree with, but just pointing that out).
The media should concern itself with facts, not try to be careful about how they obfuscate or frame things. Are you a proponent of hate crime statutes as they relate to race? If not, then I get that, since I tend to agree with Hedo and think all crimes of violence have a seed of hate. But if you are a proponent, but can't use race as a factor since it doesn't exist, then how do you reconcile that?
Good question (your last point) but more than I can reply to on my phone in the time I have at work, so more later. Right now I'll just say that my point was that I can understand why the media is cautious about identifying people by race. It's a minefield for them.
Absolutely fucking disgusting. Hopefully these 4 animals never walk the streets again.
Highly unlikely. Even if they try them as adults under hate crime statutes, realistically at the most severe end they'd be free and clear by their mid - late twenties. I doubt they are tried as adults though.
3 are 18 and 1 is 24. Why wouldn't they be tried as adults?
Ok. I didn't catch their ages. Saw the teens headline so I wasn't sure. Fair enough, all adults.
Yeah I thought it was strange to call them teens as well.
they are 24 years old and the kidnapping (an X-Felony) charge carries a 30 year sentence alone. Throw them animals away. Like nino brown says, "see ya, and wouldn't wanna be ya"
yes, all crimes have a basis of hate or anger in them. but the purpose of a hate crime charge is because the crime was perpetrated on someone because of their appearance, race, ethnicity, belief system, etc. basically I'm going to beat the fuck out of you for no reason at all. I'm not mad at you as a person, I don't want your wallet, I just hate the colour of your skin or the fact you just walked out of a mosque or you are are a trump supporter.
Oh, definitely. I understand the reason that hate crime laws exist, and am definitely not supporting any sort of bigotry, hatred, racism, homophobia or other small-minded maladies. But at least in this country, people are allowed to be idiots, bigots, homophobes, and racists. Those things are not illegal. But they suddenly are the basis for extra-legal prosecution when an actual crime is committed. I'm just saying that I think it should be sufficient to punish these idiots for the crimes they have actually committed without needing to get into what they might have thought, or how they might have felt. I'm not passionately opposed to the notion, but it has always made me a little uncomfortable to punish someone a little extra for having legal thoughts or beliefs no matter how idiotic they may be.
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yes, all crimes have a basis of hate or anger in them. but the purpose of a hate crime charge is because the crime was perpetrated on someone because of their appearance, race, ethnicity, belief system, etc. basically I'm going to beat the fuck out of you for no reason at all. I'm not mad at you as a person, I don't want your wallet, I just hate the colour of your skin or the fact you just walked out of a mosque or you are are a trump supporter.
Oh, definitely. I understand the reason that hate crime laws exist, and am definitely not supporting any sort of bigotry, hatred, racism, homophobia or other small-minded maladies. But at least in this country, people are allowed to be idiots, bigots, homophobes, and racists. Those things are not illegal. But they suddenly are the basis for extra-legal prosecution when an actual crime is committed. I'm just saying that I think it should be sufficient to punish these idiots for the crimes they have actually committed without needing to get into what they might have thought, or how they might have felt. I'm not passionately opposed to the notion, but it has always made me a little uncomfortable to punish someone a little extra for having legal thoughts or beliefs no matter how idiotic they may be.
From the victim's perspective it makes no difference.
I think it is odd to evaluate someone's motive before deciding how to proceed against them.
yes, all crimes have a basis of hate or anger in them. but the purpose of a hate crime charge is because the crime was perpetrated on someone because of their appearance, race, ethnicity, belief system, etc. basically I'm going to beat the fuck out of you for no reason at all. I'm not mad at you as a person, I don't want your wallet, I just hate the colour of your skin or the fact you just walked out of a mosque or you are are a trump supporter.
Oh, definitely. I understand the reason that hate crime laws exist, and am definitely not supporting any sort of bigotry, hatred, racism, homophobia or other small-minded maladies. But at least in this country, people are allowed to be idiots, bigots, homophobes, and racists. Those things are not illegal. But they suddenly are the basis for extra-legal prosecution when an actual crime is committed. I'm just saying that I think it should be sufficient to punish these idiots for the crimes they have actually committed without needing to get into what they might have thought, or how they might have felt. I'm not passionately opposed to the notion, but it has always made me a little uncomfortable to punish someone a little extra for having legal thoughts or beliefs no matter how idiotic they may be.
True indeed. They should never have been enacted but if they want to pass them, they MUST BE EVENLY APPLIED! They were not passed just to enhance crimes committed by Billy Bob, or were they? lol
yes, all crimes have a basis of hate or anger in them. but the purpose of a hate crime charge is because the crime was perpetrated on someone because of their appearance, race, ethnicity, belief system, etc. basically I'm going to beat the fuck out of you for no reason at all. I'm not mad at you as a person, I don't want your wallet, I just hate the colour of your skin or the fact you just walked out of a mosque or you are are a trump supporter.
Oh, definitely. I understand the reason that hate crime laws exist, and am definitely not supporting any sort of bigotry, hatred, racism, homophobia or other small-minded maladies. But at least in this country, people are allowed to be idiots, bigots, homophobes, and racists. Those things are not illegal. But they suddenly are the basis for extra-legal prosecution when an actual crime is committed. I'm just saying that I think it should be sufficient to punish these idiots for the crimes they have actually committed without needing to get into what they might have thought, or how they might have felt. I'm not passionately opposed to the notion, but it has always made me a little uncomfortable to punish someone a little extra for having legal thoughts or beliefs no matter how idiotic they may be.
Very good points but do people really get punished more if its classified as a hate crime? I see it more as a way to label it and not necessarily an additional charge. Or maybe its a different degree of assault like there are different degrees of murder charges.
yes, all crimes have a basis of hate or anger in them. but the purpose of a hate crime charge is because the crime was perpetrated on someone because of their appearance, race, ethnicity, belief system, etc. basically I'm going to beat the fuck out of you for no reason at all. I'm not mad at you as a person, I don't want your wallet, I just hate the colour of your skin or the fact you just walked out of a mosque or you are are a trump supporter.
Oh, definitely. I understand the reason that hate crime laws exist, and am definitely not supporting any sort of bigotry, hatred, racism, homophobia or other small-minded maladies. But at least in this country, people are allowed to be idiots, bigots, homophobes, and racists. Those things are not illegal. But they suddenly are the basis for extra-legal prosecution when an actual crime is committed. I'm just saying that I think it should be sufficient to punish these idiots for the crimes they have actually committed without needing to get into what they might have thought, or how they might have felt. I'm not passionately opposed to the notion, but it has always made me a little uncomfortable to punish someone a little extra for having legal thoughts or beliefs no matter how idiotic they may be.
Very good points but do people really get punished more if its classified as a hate crime? I see it more as a way to label it and not necessarily an additional charge. Or maybe its a different degree of assault like there are different degrees of murder charges.
There can be additional punishment, or "penalty enhancements" for the crime being prosecuted as a hate crime. Some states (and I believe Federal) make hate crimes automatic felonies. Some states have mandatory minimums for hate crimes.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
Never understood the need to classify something as a hate crime. I don't care what the motive is. You should be punished for the actions you take regardless of motive.
Yeah, the article says that charges are still pending and that charging it as a hate crime is being considered, so I'm not sure where the gall is coming from, OP. If they choose not to try it as a hate crime, that would be the time to get offended, because yeah, it probably should be.
In my original post I was referring to what the Police Chief said in the video about not being able to call it a hate crime. They ended up charging all four with kidnapping and a hate crime.
Oh I see, well that's good.
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Reverse the races and I guarantee that is what the police chief would call it. These punks need to be locked away for a long time.
Give it time and perhaps it will be. In my mind it should be.
What an event. Wow. Let alone the depth of cruelty... the level of stupidity amongst those four assailants is off the charts (live recording of the event).
Christ, I'm starting to think the US needs a control-alt-delete. Just start again, man. Yikes.
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Reverse the races and I guarantee that is what the police chief would call it. These punks need to be locked away for a long time.
Give it time and perhaps it will be. In my mind it should be.
What an event. Wow. Let alone the depth of cruelty... the level of stupidity amongst those four assailants is off the charts (live recording of the event).
Christ, I'm starting to think the US needs a control-alt-delete. Just start again, man. Yikes.
Reverse the races and I guarantee that is what the police chief would call it. These punks need to be locked away for a long time.
Give it time and perhaps it will be. In my mind it should be.
What an event. Wow. Let alone the depth of cruelty... the level of stupidity amongst those four assailants is off the charts (live recording of the event).
Christ, I'm starting to think the US needs a control-alt-delete. Just start again, man. Yikes.
Reverse the races and I guarantee that is what the police chief would call it. These punks need to be locked away for a long time.
Give it time and perhaps it will be. In my mind it should be.
What an event. Wow. Let alone the depth of cruelty... the level of stupidity amongst those four assailants is off the charts (live recording of the event).
Christ, I'm starting to think the US needs a control-alt-delete. Just start again, man. Yikes.
yes, all crimes have a basis of hate or anger in them. but the purpose of a hate crime charge is because the crime was perpetrated on someone because of their appearance, race, ethnicity, belief system, etc. basically I'm going to beat the fuck out of you for no reason at all. I'm not mad at you as a person, I don't want your wallet, I just hate the colour of your skin or the fact you just walked out of a mosque or you are are a trump supporter.
Oh, definitely. I understand the reason that hate crime laws exist, and am definitely not supporting any sort of bigotry, hatred, racism, homophobia or other small-minded maladies. But at least in this country, people are allowed to be idiots, bigots, homophobes, and racists. Those things are not illegal. But they suddenly are the basis for extra-legal prosecution when an actual crime is committed. I'm just saying that I think it should be sufficient to punish these idiots for the crimes they have actually committed without needing to get into what they might have thought, or how they might have felt. I'm not passionately opposed to the notion, but it has always made me a little uncomfortable to punish someone a little extra for having legal thoughts or beliefs no matter how idiotic they may be.
From the victim's perspective it makes no difference.
I think it is odd to evaluate someone's motive before deciding how to proceed against them.
Motive is often factored in to charges. If someone kills someone, it can range from no charge because of self defense, to manslaughter, on up to murder one.
Reverse the races and I guarantee that is what the police chief would call it. These punks need to be locked away for a long time.
Give it time and perhaps it will be. In my mind it should be.
What an event. Wow. Let alone the depth of cruelty... the level of stupidity amongst those four assailants is off the charts (live recording of the event).
Christ, I'm starting to think the US needs a control-alt-delete. Just start again, man. Yikes.
no. just control alt-right.....
Lol
I'm using this one somewhere else.
In response to one of my posts, I presume?
Ha! I make myself laugh.
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On a side note, what the hell is going on in Chicago? It seems like a war zone.
It's crazy. Watching the local news and reading the papers here is so depressing. I just moved out to the burbs from the city and it's crazy to me that the great area I lived in on the north side is only a few miles away from these areas on the west/south sides that I wouldn't even think of going near....same city, but basically a different planet. It has gotten a lot worse this past year because of all the scrutiny on police.....cops don't want to get too aggressive and be the next viral video. I know plenty of Chicago cops and the morale in CPD is as low as it has ever been. That combined with all of these piece of shit gangbangers that have no regard for others lives and it is a complete disaster.
Reverse the races and I guarantee that is what the police chief would call it. These punks need to be locked away for a long time.
Give it time and perhaps it will be. In my mind it should be.
What an event. Wow. Let alone the depth of cruelty... the level of stupidity amongst those four assailants is off the charts (live recording of the event).
Christ, I'm starting to think the US needs a control-alt-delete. Just start again, man. Yikes.
no. just control alt-right.....
Lol
I'm using this one somewhere else.
In response to one of my posts, I presume?
Ha! I make myself laugh.
1 or 2 out of 10 posts you contribute make me feel that way.
Reverse the races and I guarantee that is what the police chief would call it. These punks need to be locked away for a long time.
Give it time and perhaps it will be. In my mind it should be.
What an event. Wow. Let alone the depth of cruelty... the level of stupidity amongst those four assailants is off the charts (live recording of the event).
Christ, I'm starting to think the US needs a control-alt-delete. Just start again, man. Yikes.
no. just control alt-right.....
Lol
I'm using this one somewhere else.
In response to one of my posts, I presume?
Ha! I make myself laugh.
1 or 2 out of 10 posts you contribute make me feel that way.
Ha again! Now I'm all warm 'n fuzzy inside.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
On a side note, what the hell is going on in Chicago? It seems like a war zone.
It's crazy. Watching the local news and reading the papers here is so depressing. I just moved out to the burbs from the city and it's crazy to me that the great area I lived in on the north side is only a few miles away from these areas on the west/south sides that I wouldn't even think of going near....same city, but basically a different planet. It has gotten a lot worse this past year because of all the scrutiny on police.....cops don't want to get too aggressive and be the next viral video. I know plenty of Chicago cops and the morale in CPD is as low as it has ever been. That combined with all of these piece of shit gangbangers that have no regard for others lives and it is a complete disaster.
Is crime spilling into the suburbs or is it contained to certain city neighborhoods?
I've seen so many Trumptards calling it a hate crime on Facebook and being hypocrites by saying the N word. All you have to do is google it and you'll see these privileged hypocrites. Of course, being the badass vigilante I am *sinister laughter*, I reported them. No one is above the law.
Unless the trump fans draw first blood, there's no excuse for what happened.
Not sure if true but now I'm seeing reports that it's has been charged a hate crime because the victim was mentally disabled not because he was white. Give me a fucking break!! They repeatedly said "fuck white people" not "fuck the mentally challenged".
Not sure if true but now I'm seeing reports that it's has been charged a hate crime because the victim was mentally disabled not because he was white. Give me a fucking break!! They repeatedly said "fuck white people" not "fuck the mentally challenged".
So much anger. Don't worry, the perps are black, they will surely be found guilty and do serious time.
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Rahm and the media would have made sure the appropriate charges were leveled in a TIMELY manner.
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For your second, less than 24 hours isn't timely enough for you?
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Like nino brown says, "see ya, and wouldn't wanna be ya"
I think it is odd to evaluate someone's motive before deciding how to proceed against them.
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Chicago torture video: 4 charged with hate crimes, kidnapping
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I'm using this one somewhere else.
Ha! I make myself laugh.
Unless the trump fans draw first blood, there's no excuse for what happened.
Columbus-2003
Cincinnati-2006
Columbus-2010
Wrigley-2013
Cincinnati-2014
Lexington-2016
Wrigley 1 & 2-2018