Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    ledvedderman said:
    Why is it so fucking hard to grasp that NO ONE IS FUCKING SAYING that Russia won the election for Trump. Did it indirectly help him some? Possibly. Enough to sway it? Nope. 
    The problem is that it was illegal and it exposed some real weaknesses to our process. Maybe they didn't think to do it or it wasn't part of the plan, but if they get into databases again, making even the slightest change to a voter's info can disqualify them from obtaining a ballot. Then there's the personal info obtained that could be used to hack individuals. This is a big deal, man. Even if it didn't change the results- it's a big deal. It's also illegal and any American worth their salt should not only welcome an in depth investigation, but demand it. 

    It's not hard to grasp at all.  It is odd that you continue to say it didn't change the results which is hard to grasp.
     Are you saying the Russians hacked the election and Hillary still lost even though to many Americans she won because she had more votes? 
    That's exactly what I'm saying. We aren't a country where the popular vote determines the winner country. I wish we were, but both sides know the rules going into it and know what it's going to take to win. If either side was serious in going to a popular vote determines the winner election, you'd see legislation sponsored by leadership to change how it's done. The fact that you don't see that going on now (or in 2001), should tell you how the party leaders truly feel about how it's done. They're fine with it.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited June 2017
    ^^^
    I hear what you are saying about wishing it were a winner of the popular vote takes all but where has this thought/talk been since the election?  All we are bombarded w/ is how much Hillary won by.  Where are the citizens calling for a revamp of the rules?  So far it is just you (on here) anyway.

  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    My Canadian friend, if ever there were a country that could be diagnosed with ADD, it's the United States. We get pissed off and then it's like that fucking dog from Up, "oh look a squirrel!". And right now it's even worse because there is just SO MUCH going on. For every single story, there are at least two narratives getting broadcast to the masses. Beyond that there are dozens of subplots to each narrative. Both sides know exactly what they're doing. They know we have a short attention span. They prefer that because Congress is up for re-election every two years. They're never out of campaign mode there. 
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  • dignin
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    ledvedderman said:
    Why is it so fucking hard to grasp that NO ONE IS FUCKING SAYING that Russia won the election for Trump. Did it indirectly help him some? Possibly. Enough to sway it? Nope. 
    The problem is that it was illegal and it exposed some real weaknesses to our process. Maybe they didn't think to do it or it wasn't part of the plan, but if they get into databases again, making even the slightest change to a voter's info can disqualify them from obtaining a ballot. Then there's the personal info obtained that could be used to hack individuals. This is a big deal, man. Even if it didn't change the results- it's a big deal. It's also illegal and any American worth their salt should not only welcome an in depth investigation, but demand it. 
    I will go on the record and say that I believe Russia's hacking and other shady actions influenced some voters...enough to win him the election. The election was that close. I will probably never have proof of it....but there is enough evidence for me to believe it. 




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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited June 2017
    ^^^

    Listen to what you just said on the record for a minute "I will probably never have proof of it....but there is enough evidence for me to believe it".

    Lordy, no wonder you guys have President Trump.  Fish in a barrel.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,800
    The Russians hacked and the trumpsters are ok with it but you can bet your bottom $ that if Russia hacked into our electricity grids they would be the 1st Americans crying how could this happen ! The Elections were just a trial run for Russia ! 
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    josevolution said:
    The Russians hacked and the trumpsters are ok with it but you can bet your bottom $ that if Russia hacked into our electricity grids they would be the 1st Americans crying how could this happen ! The Elections were just a trial run for Russia ! 

    Truth or Propaganda?
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    josevolution said:
    The Russians hacked and the trumpsters are ok with it but you can bet your bottom $ that if Russia hacked into our electricity grids they would be the 1st Americans crying how could this happen ! The Elections were just a trial run for Russia ! 

    Truth or Propaganda?
    I thought it was truth or consequences?
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  • josevolution
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    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    josevolution said:
    The Russians hacked and the trumpsters are ok with it but you can bet your bottom $ that if Russia hacked into our electricity grids they would be the 1st Americans crying how could this happen ! The Elections were just a trial run for Russia ! 

    Truth or Propaganda?
    Why are you here you need to be posting in the truth thread since you lap up every turd that comes out of orange Bafoon's mouth as truth ! 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,800
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    josevolution said:
    The Russians hacked and the trumpsters are ok with it but you can bet your bottom $ that if Russia hacked into our electricity grids they would be the 1st Americans crying how could this happen ! The Elections were just a trial run for Russia ! 

    Truth or Propaganda?
    Hey what has this administration done to make sure this kind of hacking doesn't happen again look it up and come back and show us thanks ..
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  • elvistheking44
    elvistheking44 Posts: 4,545
    josevolution said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    josevolution said:
    The Russians hacked and the trumpsters are ok with it but you can bet your bottom $ that if Russia hacked into our electricity grids they would be the 1st Americans crying how could this happen ! The Elections were just a trial run for Russia ! 

    Truth or Propaganda?
    Hey what has this administration done to make sure this kind of hacking doesn't happen again look it up and come back and show us thanks ..
    Same as other administrations.  Aren't you tired yet?
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
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    josevolution said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    josevolution said:
    The Russians hacked and the trumpsters are ok with it but you can bet your bottom $ that if Russia hacked into our electricity grids they would be the 1st Americans crying how could this happen ! The Elections were just a trial run for Russia ! 

    Truth or Propaganda?
    Why are you here you need to be posting in the truth thread since you lap up every turd that comes out of orange Bafoon's mouth as truth ! 

    I am here because Russia had zero influence on the election until proven otherwise.  Also your avatar was pretty cool when it used to be moving.  What happened? Why has it stopped?
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,800
    elvistheking44 said:
    josevolution said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    josevolution said:
    The Russians hacked and the trumpsters are ok with it but you can bet your bottom $ that if Russia hacked into our electricity grids they would be the 1st Americans crying how could this happen ! The Elections were just a trial run for Russia ! 

    Truth or Propaganda?
    Hey what has this administration done to make sure this kind of hacking doesn't happen again look it up and come back and show us thanks ..
    Same as other administrations.  Aren't you tired yet?
    Of your cluelessness yes really tired again please post what this administration has done to combat further future attacks ? 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,800
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    josevolution said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    josevolution said:
    The Russians hacked and the trumpsters are ok with it but you can bet your bottom $ that if Russia hacked into our electricity grids they would be the 1st Americans crying how could this happen ! The Elections were just a trial run for Russia ! 

    Truth or Propaganda?
    Why are you here you need to be posting in the truth thread since you lap up every turd that comes out of orange Bafoon's mouth as truth ! 

    I am here because Russia had zero influence on the election until proven otherwise.  Also your avatar was pretty cool when it used to be moving.  What happened? Why has it stopped?
    Like I I've said I'm more concerned with the fact that all trumpsters like you & Elvis dude don't care that Russia can basically hack many of our most important infrastructures that can cause real harm to our way of life , your hero will undo himself that's not my concern anymore !
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/878413313188802560

    Lol
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    josevolution said:
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
    josevolution said:
    The Russians hacked and the trumpsters are ok with it but you can bet your bottom $ that if Russia hacked into our electricity grids they would be the 1st Americans crying how could this happen ! The Elections were just a trial run for Russia ! 

    Truth or Propaganda?
    Why are you here you need to be posting in the truth thread since you lap up every turd that comes out of orange Bafoon's mouth as truth ! 

    I am here because Russia had zero influence on the election until proven otherwise.  Also your avatar was pretty cool when it used to be moving.  What happened? Why has it stopped?
    THEY ILLEGALLY HACKED INTO VOTING SYSTEMS!!! That's an influence and illegal as hell. Why do you not want to get to the bottom of that? It's not a Republican or Democrat issue. Why shouldn't we investigate a cyber attack? Just answer that.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited June 2017
    ^^^
    YOU'RE DAMN RIGHT I WANT TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS!!! 
    As soon as there is some credible evidence I will start my investigation.  Can you provide some?
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Well, this one guy is telling you it happened literally in his day to day life, and that's not enough. 17 intelligence agencies saying that it happened isn't enough for you? How about the fact that 98 senators voted two weeks ago to make it more impossible for Trump to lift the sanctions imposed on Russia because of the hacking without congressional approval. Do you think they did that because they don't think Russia meddled? The fact that 98 senators voted for anything together these days should be a red flag that they know something is up and they sent a message to the president that they know and won't allow him to lift those sanctions- like had been discussed of him doing. 
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  • ledvedderman
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    And honestly, if the last two items there (17 agencies/senate action) don't do it, you're literally choosing not to see what's going on in a conscious way. 
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited June 2017
    ledvedderman said:
    And honestly, if the last two items there (17 agencies/senate action) don't do it, you're literally choosing not to see what's going on in a conscious way. 

    I'm still listening.
    You debate the same as H2M, quite striking at first read but as you get further into the paragraph it dwindles and loses the point.
    On and on it never ends, endless agencies cry foul and say Russian had influence but never say how.  


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